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my thanks to my panel. that does it for our hour. i'm nicole waltz. . >> hello, nichole. >> it's getaway weekend for people above our pay grades. the president says he's finished his mueller take home quiz. good evening, i'm chuck todd in washington. welcome to "mtp daily." if there is one threat facing president trump for nearly a year and a half, it's the mueller investigation. and if there's been one contentious issue with that investigation, it's been whether the president will answer the special counsel's questions. so if you're the president and you have the chance to submit written answers you'd probably want to consult with your lawyers on every answer.
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today he said he finished the written answers telling reporters he finished without the help of his legal team. >> my lawyers aren't working on it. i'm working on it. i write the answers. my lawyers don't write answers. i write answers. i was asked a series of questions. i've answered them very easily but it didn't take very long and they were my answers. i don't need lawyers to do that. you need lawyers for submittal. you need lawyers to go over some of the answers, but they're not very difficult questions. >> this comes a day after the president lashed out again at the mueller investigation on twitter calling investigators a disgrace to our nation and mueller highly conflicted, it was a greatest hits of his russia probe bashing but now you understand why he was in a foul mueller mood because he was answering -- he was having to do his mueller homework. today he denied speculation something had set him off before filing off those tweets, though. >> you on twitter yesterday seemed a bit agitated about what
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you might be perceiving the mueller investigation -- >> no, i'm nottage tailed. it's a hoax. there was no collusion. >> did anything trigger that set of tweets? >> not at all. i'm very happy with the white house. >> i think the phrase no collusion is a trigger these days. if there's been one constant it's been that he runs the show. no one tells him what to do. no one tells him to what to say or tweet. perhaps the brink on the single most important moment, will president trump continue to act on his own and how costly could that be? dana goldman joins me, former u.s. assistant district attorney and currently a fellow at the brennan center for justice and joins carol lee, lonnie chan, hoover institution fellow and maria teresa cukumar. everybody just at the table here laughed when the president said i answered these without a lawyer.
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it's sort of like i think the one time that everybody in america would think you want a lawyer is when you're answering questions from a guy like bob mueller. >> it just seems like it's opposite day for him. he always says the wrong thing. what he did by saying that is he made it very clear that he cannot distance himself from his lawyer at all. you'll recall earlier this year there was a tweet that john dowd then his lawyer claimed that he wrote. well, any of these answers he's not going to be able to do that now because he claimed that he wrote them all, which the irony he almost certainly didn't. it would be malpractice for any defense attorney to allow a witness to just write answers to questions from a prosecutor without framing them, going over them, making sure that they don't run into any issues. this is really the problem with allowing him to submit written answers is that they can be honed andcontextualized.
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>> if you were emmet flood and he's probably running the show more than giuliani as the go between with mueller. will giuliani might take issue with that. if you're emmet flood, do you actually -- the first thing you do, okay, here's the list of questions, mr. president, you answer them the best you can and then let us go back through them and let us start? is that what took place here possibly. >> we had reports, for example, that during some of the president's executive time he was meeting with his lawyers, probably to go over some of these questions. what likely would happen, they go through them and have a discussion about what the answers are and ask him if they don't know already what his response would be, whether he did this, then most likely the lawyers will draft the answers, then they'll present them to trump and he would go through them to make sure that they are accurate.
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that's ordinarily how these things would work. >> let me play another sound bite here from the president talking about trick questions that he thinks that he was having to deal with. take a listen. >> i'm sure they're tricked up because they like to catch people, gee, you know, was the weather sunny or was it rainy? he said it may have been a good day, it was rainy, therefore, he told a lie. he perjured himself, okay. so, you know, i have to always be careful when you answer questions with people who probably have bad intentions but, no, it's -- the questions were very routinely answered by me, by me. >> lonnie, first of all, i go back to i don't know why -- as daniel pointed out he is not leaving any room here that somehow all the lawyers did it, they misinterpreted what i meant to say to the prosecutor. >> i think we should put aside -- any lawyer would advise
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his client to essentially not say anything about who answered the questions -- >> by the way, the lawyers would have said stop tweeting about this. >> i think the reality is this just makes it that much more difficult going forward because he does own the answer, what they are, whatever the questions are and, look, bob mueller is not wasting his time on the weather. obviously the questions being asked are sufficient enough level of difficulty this is a challenge for him. >> carol, i know we've been actually doing reporting here about what he's been doing. let's clarify what questions they are answering and what questions they aren't. my understanding that the only questions they've agreed to try to attempt to answer in written form are questions of basically his actions in 2016 before he became president of the united states. >> right, and we should preface all this by saying this is what we're being told by the president and his legal team, so it's a very -- one-sided view of what's actually happening. we don't know if everything that they're saying reflects reality.
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but, yeah, our understand something that they're not -- it's all focused on what you would put in the collusion bucket of questions as opposed to whether or not the president was trying to influence or the outcome of the investigation and it's limited and the question is, if what the president and his legal team are saying is what's unfolding, is that going to be enough for robert mueller. >> maria, let me tell you what rudy giuliani told "the washington post" yesterday. there's some -- referring to these question, there are some that create more issues for us legally than others and say some are unnecessary, some are possible traps. some we might consider as irrelevant. he also said that there's no deadline for this, okay, again, all of this is from their point of view because a lot of folks aren't talking and -- >> november 9th -- >> yeah, as much as the president they leak, they're not good leakers. >> what we should focus on,
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maggi maggie haberman is perhaps closest to the white house and when he said he's answering the questions himself. she said you talked to your attorneys last week. you are not telling the truth but second of all, something giuliani and the president both said, they are already framing this idea that they're trying to do gotcha moments for the president. whatever is going to come out of that he's already sending to his base -- they're questionable and framing it in a way that it's easy to understand and digestible. >> is it possible they're doing this under subpoena and not admitting it yet? >> i don't think they're doing this under subpoena. there's -- i'm sure there's the threat or the looming issue of a subpoena, but i think really what this may be is just a first step and i think that, you know, if you want -- they're trying to negotiate and figure out a way for trump to answer and mueller to be satisfied. this could be a first step. there could be follow-up questions or there could be
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follow-up subpoenas where he has to go and deal with the litigation that we expect to arise out of that if he doesn't choose to sit in front of the grand jury. so, i don't think these questions are being answered pursuant to a subpoena, but the idea of a subpoena looming out there is certainly influencing them and as your panelist said, chuck, so much of this is framing everything in the way that trump has tried to do by undermining the credibility of mueller by talking about these traps and that they're trying to trap him into things. these are written questions. there's no trap there. if there are documents and there are other witnesses who say the opposite of what trump wrote in those questions, then he's got an issue, but that's not a trap. >> if you're mueller and you've got -- you've got a question about whether you can get the president to have to answer questio questions under subpoena about his actions as president, what do you do with that set of
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questions? what would your strategy be trying to get him to try to get at some state of mind issues when it came to the decision to fire flynn and fire comey and those folks? >> well, i think i'd litigate it because i'm not -- it's not clear -- i think the broad executive power basis that they seem to be and i agree with what carol said, you really have to take everything rudy giuliani says with many, many grains of salt, but let's say they're not -- they have said to mueller, we will not answer questions on obstruction of justice, that is part of the president's unitary executive power he can do whatever he wants to do with and legally he can't obstruct justice, that's a litigation issue and robert mueller probably recognizes he wants to see what he might be able to get out of short of going through the lengthy process of litigating a grand jury subpoena but i believe mueller would think that he legally has the better end of
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things, but given his desire which we've seen in the frenetic pace he's really been going at and you may think 1 1/2 years is not frenetic but given what they've done thus far it is. he's trying to wrap it up and litigation over a subpoena will extend it further. >> how often have you accepted written answers? >> never. >> so, this is -- how unique is this? >> it's incredibly unique. it's incredibly, incredibly unique, which is part of the reason why i think it's the first step. it may not be the final step but it also goes to show, i think, how much -- two potential thing, one, how much mueller wants to finish this up and, two, that the answers that the president provides may just not be that important. that on the obstruction side, it's really an opportunity for the president to explain himself and what his own state of mind is. they have witnesses, they have documents that will be able to
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frame what the president did from the outside and if the president doesn't want to defend himself and doesn't want to explain himself you can't force him to do that. so, that's another consideration. >> the mueller probe is about to -- there's a chance it becomes a flash point with the budget negotiations, right? and this is where it gets tricky, where there's a political point to try to protect mueller. do we think mueller's vulnerable or not? what do we really think here? >> well, i think it's not so much -- we're back to this space where it's vulnerable in the sense that you could chip away at something. you could, you know, say, oh, no, you're -- >> mueller is trying to wrap up. if the message to whitaker is, look, i'm in the later stages, just give me another three months and then we can talk about budget, is that where we think we are? >> i think, yeah, i think it depends in terms of whether or not the investigation is
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compromised in some way or gets short-circuited depends on what the asks are i think from mueller and we -- unfortunately, we don't know what a number of them are going to be, but certainly i think that there is a risk in the funding and as it gets caught up in the spending bill next month, for sure. >> hey, daniel, i'm curious, how much could whitaker know about what mueller has and how much could whitaker -- i say this because, you know, he could be able to let -- if the white house is -- like why aren't they asking this question? does whitaker -- is it possible he's been briefed enough he could have a better understanding of it and could essentially help the president with his homework? >> well, i think that if whitaker has spent the bulk of his time there to this point drilling down on the mueller investigation, he could be pretty well up to speed in broad stroke, not the details. there's so much here but certainly he could get up to
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speed on what the negotiations have been with the president, what they're asking the president, what evidence they have, what paul manafort has told them -- what michael cohen has told them, what other cooperating witnesses have told them, he could easily be up to speed on that i just want to underscore one thing, it would be beyond improper for matt whitaker to back channel anything to the president. it is almost impossible for me to believe. >> i know, it's not illegal, though, is it? >> if -- it could be illegal. if he's giving him any grand jury information, it could be. i don't know that -- you know, i guess you would make the argument that the president is the head of the executive branch but i don't think that flies when he's the subject of the investigation. so i don't think that matt whitaker is back channeling anything. i think that carol raises the issue that everyone is concerned about, to what degree is matt whitaker going to hamstring this investigation going forward, whether it's funding, which
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probably isn't an issue right now or whether it's rejecting a subpoena, rejecting an indictment and this is where the fact that the democrats won the election is such a -- in the house is so critical, because they have subpoena power. they will be able to provide some sort of backstop to bring to light in the public anything along those lines. >> yeah, i have to say, i know you think it's improper. my sense is whitaker's whole role there is not to stop it, is to be the eyes and ears. >> you might be right and that would be incredibly improper. >> yeah, well, welcome to 2018 anyway. daniel goldman, former attorney sdny and obviously an important analyst for us, thanks very much. carol, maria, you guys stick around. up next, 20/20 vision. a lot are seeing really well these days. did you think the republican presidential field was crowded in 2016? oh, please. you ain't see nothing yet.
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with a run and 30 to be exact and not including kanye west and the rock, although, right, who knows? but the actual 34, that's already more than an ncaa second round worth of candidates. let that sink in. they include at least ten democratic senator, roughly 20% of all senate democrats. we count at least four governors, a few mayor, five sitting members of the house, former elected officials like biden's deval patrick. outsiders like the starbucks ceo and my next guest former west virginia house candidate richard ojeda and you get to 34 and joining me right now is mr. ojeda. welcome to the show, sir. >> thank you. >> why do you want to be president? >> you know, i think that america has got some serious issues. over the last 19 months running for congress i received phone calls, letters from all over the united states of america and people talking about the issues that they have and those issues are the same issues that we have in southern west virginia, the bronx, south side of chicago,
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flint, michigan and even places like silicon valley, so, you know, i was able to turn more folks away from, you know, the trump side in my race, 37 points. >> let me show an example of how you were talking to your voters in one of your tv ads. let me play a clip for you. >> i'm richard ojeda and people say i'm angry. angry is an understatement. i'm sick and tired of the same paper cutout politicians. i spent decades fighting for this country and now it's time to go to d.c. and defend our homeland. >> this is what you all are fighting for. >> the one thing i think people underestimate about what trump did for the trump base is he gave them somebody. what trump did is made them matter. they had felt ignored, a lot of politicians are skipping over them. a lot of companies are skipping over them. i understand why they feel like trump came and talked to us, wanted to woo us.
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you're making the argument that's what democrats would just show up, you might be able to make some gains. is that how you would explain it? >> absolutely. the democrats -- the democrats did not offer us a candidate that would stand with the working class citizens, that understood the issues on the ground and that's what i do. i stand with the working class wholeheartedly and support unions wholeheartedly and understand we have elderly cutting meds in half. when i returned home from spending 24 years in the military i found an opioid epidemic that destroyed the communities in which i grew up in but once again the communities all across the united states of america have found themselves in the sail situation. >> here's the thing, we talk about our rural urban divide and now it's really a metropolitan, urban and suburban and exurban and rural on another. if democrats and republicans don't even live in the same community how will they communicate? if you step foot in every one the issues are the same. >> absolutely. >> health care, you know, some
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form form of security or education. it may be different in arlington than in charleston but how do you get rural republicans who don't trust democrats to listen? >> well, i think it's going with my thought process which is actually sacrificing. when you say you're going to serve you're going to sacrifice at will. if our congressmen and our senators and even the president of the united states fell under the same health care situation that the rest, i guarantee you we'd fix health care in this country. if their children had to go to public school, we would fix the public school issues. i'm saying, you know what, i'm the guy that is willing to say, i guarantee you i will stay in the v.a. system. it's important for me because it puts me in the same situation as all of my brothers and sisters who have served this nation. i need to know exactly the way the health care system operates because then when i make a decision or i cast a vote or something like that, i know that
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it's afenging me as well as everyone else. what would be wrong with the rest of the elected officials out there in the same boat? >> so, some of the questions about your candidacy are going to come from this, all right. you come from west virginia. you've never had to campaign for african-americans. or latinos. how would you answer -- >> i spent 24 years in the military where it didn't matter, it didn't matter what the color of your skin was or how you prayed, it mattered about you getting up and doing your job and worked with people from all over the country and also tell you that, you know, my father, my grandfather, everyone know, both of my grandfathers come from this country from other countries, but, you know, my grandfather come to this country initially illegally, okay. when they relocated back to west virginia, they americanized our name. >> probably a lot of americans did this. >> they americanize their name but my father and his siblings were actually called the "n"
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word because they couldn't speak english and ended up -- >> anybody that wasn't white was getting called this. >> that's right. so believe me, my family -- >> you feel that pain. >> i can't say that i feel the same pain that my father felt, but i can assure you that, you know, when i was in combat, you know, it was never -- the person behind me was an african-american, the person that was my gunner to my left was, you know, a hispanic, to me it's about you pull your weight, you do your job and if we can get to that, let's focus on that and then we'll be okay. >> the fact that your ancestors came from mexico, you think that actually cost you in the end. explain. >> i think -- >> you were close. nobody thought you could make this race close. >> absolutely. >> you made this race -- it was a neck and neck race and became sort of a fascinating race to follow. you say trump came in late and what did he do that you feel as if made it hard? >> well, you know, at the time the topic of conversation was the caravan and it become the --
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the number one issue in west virginia in terms of the campaign and all of a sudden my opponent started doing it first. when he come down there he mirrored it and that was pronouncing my name ojeda. now, once again -- >> knowing full well how your name is pronounced. >> in the last couple of years the medical cannabis, sb-386 was my bill and made it legal and the teacher strike, everyone knows i supported the teachers and the school service personnel, probably more than any, and that kind of also put me in the eye of the news. everybody knows how i pronounced my name but this was coming down there and using an opportunity to do what they could to villainize me in the eyes of maybe those people that did not have access to know exactly who richard ojeda was and i believe that did play a role. >> but he's going to learn my name. he's going to learn my name. >> fight, fight, fight, when don't you fight?
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you know, on one hand you say you're a fighter. at some point the president only fights. it's been sort of -- when one fight is done he finds another. how do you know when the fight is done? >> you know, ultimately it's not always about fighting. i can work with people. like i said, i spent 24 years in the military. i've worked with the militaries of other countries, you know, it's about trying to sit down and come up with good ideas then deciding which course of action is the best that will help our people and then following through with that course of action. believe me, i have no problems working with people. >> when do you know this is real? when do you know if you can pull this off and you follow through with it or you're just in? >> i'm in. >> there's no exploring. i'm seeing new iowa pretty soon. >> yes, you will. my thing is this, i was able to turn more people that voted for trump back to voting for a democrat in middle america. i believe i can do that because i can relate to the people in middle america. i think if we don't, if we send
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the same cookie cutter politician at trump in 2020 you'll see a lot of people crying just like they did in 2016 but it's like this, you know, do you want to win? then send somebody that's willing to get in there and fight and take this country back because i have a vested interest because i've got the names of my brothers on my back that did not come home and that's why my fight will continue. >> richard ojeda, nice meeting you and look forward to following your candidacy. stay safe on the trail. up next, i could have won that election if it weren't for the voters. ♪ ♪ the greatest wish of all... is one that brings us together. the lincoln wish list event is here. sign and drive off in a new lincoln
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welcome back. tonight i'm obsessed with political spin. there's no shortage of spin after an election night. hundreds of losers and just as many explanations of why they lost. my new favorite came yesterday from two-term wisconsin governor scott walker who will not become three-term governor. he pointed out 30,000 more people voted for him this time than last time and then he said this -- >> the numbers we received, a week ago, tuesday, would have won the election four years ago. would have won the election eight years ago. in no way do i see it as a rejection but larger electorate than we've seen in the past. >> you got more votes than you needed the last time. the other guy got more votes
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than you did this time. you lost. well, yes, that's how it works. it's kind of like an nfl coach saying, hey, sure, we scored fewer points than the other guy so technically we lost but the points we scored would have won last week and the week before. so how do you see it as a loss? look, some candidates blame money. the other guy had too much. some blame the media. biased against me and some claim voter fraud even when they win, donald trump. maybe we should all take a page from the late great arizona congressman mo udall. he ran a campaign for the presidential nomination in '76. after finishing second to jimmy carter in way too many primaries he quipped the people have spoken, the bastards. we'll be right back.
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welcome back. the democrats' midterms gains are nearly wiping out any remaining republican presence on the coast.
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they're poised to hold one district along the pacific coastline, it's washington's third represented by congresswoman jamie herrera buehler. california avenue orange county used to be one of the nation's conservative bastions and now it looks like it won't have a single republican in congress after this election. you could argue this is where the modern republican party was founded. anyway, democrats are positioned to sweep all four seats held by republicans and nbc news reported the apparent winners here while cisneros currently leads in his race. pete wilson's work is nearly complete, you might say, but a certain current president he embraced rhetoric in 1994 re-election that worked for him but started turning off hispanics beginning in '96 in orange county the first time and, well, you know the rest of the story but wilson did win that re-election race and paved his way for his party to lose a generation in the state and all started with an upset of bob
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dornan. you defeated 15 term republican congressmen dane father -- dana rohrabacher. how much do you attribute to just the trump effect in suburban america and how much of it was there sort of a special piece of sort of the oddness of dana rohrabacher and his relationship with russia and put sgln all came into play. certainly there are democratic changes. you couple that with the extremism that has been put forth by trump and his supporters and quirkiness and outlandish positions of dana rohrabacher and making sure you can raise enough to educate voters as to where he is allowed us to move over the finish line and win this. >> had you ever voted for him. >> for who? >> for rohrabacher when you were a republican. >> no. >> you're a former republican at one time, right? >> after '97 so i left prior to
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that time period, prior to newt gingrich. you had republicans who believed in environmental stewardship and believed in a woman's rights. >> california republicans, there were a lot of them. >> and republicans in other parts of the country as well and believed in civil right, voting rights and bringing down the deficit and all of that seems to be on the back burner now with the current republican administration at best on the back burner, at worst completely off the stovetop. >> what about this democratic party? what are the parts you like as a former republican, you know, the '90s era republican, i get what you're saying there and what concerns you? >> well, for me i've always looked at most americans between the 20 yard lines, they believe in socially prosecutionive ideas on one hand but also believe in fiscal responsibility. and for me i am a moderate. i believe that i can show the economic foundation for why some progressive ideas make sense but we also need to recognize we cannot continue to have a ballooning federal deficit which just really is an anchor on our
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children and grandchildren foreign decades to come. >> i assume as a california democrat, it's pretty tough to oppose nancy pelosi. in fact, i think she was -- how helpful was she in your race? >> she was helpful. i all along have taken the position with the leadership positions let's see who is running and do appropriate due diligence then i'll cast my vote. >> right now there seems to be one person runing. >> and she's very qualified. >> do you have any hesitation and what would be it? >> the only hesitation is see who is running. i think coming from the business world and also as an attorney and previous former life you do your due diligence and see who are the candidates in this case and make an appropriate decision after doing that due diligence. >> one of the things i think a lot of us are wondering watching this new democratic coalition come in, you guys are all over the spectrum when it comes to your side of the football field, right? you say it's between the 20s but there's quite a few sitting on
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the 5 and the 10. and many of them in california, you know, when somebody is out there for medicare for all, what are you going to say to them? >> well, listen, we'll have voices across the political spectrum, both in the democratic party, you'll have a wide rank and certainly have that in the republican party, as well but the key is in my opinion for those of us who have been elected to office whether it is federal, state or local, to do the job you're electriced ed to. that means the only way we'll do that is through bipartisan legislation and that's what i've run on. that's what i'm focused on. >> what does it look like? >> here's the thing, it's likely you'll get a more conventional republican that challenges you, somebody that is a little more moderate, somebody that is maybe was dana rohrabacher 20 years ago. >> right. >> i remember the 20 years ago dana rohrabacher became a different guy, i would argue, in the last decade or so. what do you need as an accomplishment to run a
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successful re-election in your mind? >> i think to focus on that is to really focus on, again, where -- what i told folks who voted for, if you vote for me i will focus on bipartisan legislation, i think at the top of that list i hope we can find bipartisan support for infrastructure. our country spends about 2.5% of our gdp on infrastructure, half of what the european union spends and about a third of what china spends and we see it around us. let's focus on how we bridge the gap between us that we can focus on infrastructure. there are other issues, as well, that we can focus on in a bipartisan -- >> you, number one, get infrastructure. it seems to be an easy thing, supposedly everybody wants it including the press. >> an area tightly coupled is addressing climate change which i know for the current president, he's a denier of it and so is dana rohrabacher who i just defeated, but i do believe in 97% of the climate scientists out there that this is a real issue for humankind and infrastructure is tightly woven
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with that. >> how concerned are you that i think we're up to 44 of the 53 members of congress are going to be democrats and you look at how the president responded to the fires last week and didn't respond via red, white and blue but saw it as red and blue only, that's a blue state. that's on them. now he changed his tune since and will be there tomorrow. are you worried that there is sort of republicans aren't going to want to help california simply because california doesn't help them? >> i think the president is creating that situation. and, you know, it's unfortunate. we've had over 60 deaths and over 600 people are currently missing. and my wife and i have many friends who have lost their homes. and for the president to make the derogatory comments that he has made is just clearly wrong, it's clearly wrong for those who are the survivor, those who have lost so much to the firefighters who have put their lives on the line fighting these fires and also to fail to recognize that these fires are a result of being stronger due to climate
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change, fails to recognize key critical issues affecting our country and the world. >> do you think you can get to the president through kevin mccarthy? >> you know, we'll see. i hope so. i think being the new guy on the block. >> right. i hear that. >> but that would be my hope is that we can work across the aisle. >> all right. harley rouda, thanks for coming in. congratulations on your apparent victory. i know the california count continues but it looks like we'll see you back here a lot in great. thank you very much. appreciate it. we have some breaking election news. stacey abrams is admitting defeat in the georgia gubernatorial race, sort of. don't call it a concession. we'll explain right after the break.
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to hold public office if i need to scheme my way into the post, because the title of governor isn't nearly as important as our shared title, voters and that is why we fight on. >> abrams' campaign had been hoping there were enough uncounted ballots that would get her to force a runoff. she will file a federal lawsuit against, quote, gross mismanagement of georgia elections. but you heard those comments. those felt less like a concession, obviously it's not a concession. and more like perhaps an announcement speech. we'll be back with more "mtp daily" after this. reds of our experts go beyond the numbers to examine investment opportunities firsthand. like a biotech firm that engineers a patient's own cells to fight cancer. this is strategic investing. because your investments deserve the full story.
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this marsha's way of saying, i wanted to let you know. it was brokered by elijah cummings. take a listen. >> she did not tell me not to t run. the meeting went well. we had a good discussion. i told her i'd get back to her. >> when will you be making your decision and what are you weighing at the moment? >> i'm waying the constant traveling, being away from home all the time. the fund raising. i have to decide if i want to do this because it consumes your life. she's done it well and she enjoys doing it. i have to decide if i want to do that too. >> what did you make of that statement? >> i think she's not going to run.
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there were 17 democrats that signed the letter saying they would oppose the vote. none of them come from competitive states. it's almost like with the exception of texas and ohio, everybody else comes from safe districts. >> it could get up to 55. that's 25% of the democratic conference. i don't know how you beat her. the numbers are the numbers. >> if you just look at what she's accomplished, i mean, she's had a really tough job over the years. her ability to hold that caucus together, get through legislative accomplishments. >> in the face of becoming a political liability. >> she's had a really difficult task. i think she is the best leader.
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i don't know if anybody can lead the party in congress at this time but she's the best choice. >> watching that clip, it was like you could have a window into their meeting where nancy the like you're not going to see your family. you have to raise a lot of money. do you want anything to drink? >> i'm so glad you said that. i feel like she said, well let me tell you it works and she made like the worst parts in the job. she's the one that lives in california. you don't have to do the red eyes. >> i also think with this is a lot of gender conversation is schumer who did not take back the senate, his leadership is not being contested. pelosi is being contested. there's a lot of animosity with the people who support her looking at do you want us to come back and knock on your door. >> i think the bigger issue here
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and my guess is what the rank and file is, it doesn't resonate is it's not just pelosi and not just there. four straight midterm election where is the chambers have flipped. what's really changed? schumer has been a leader. mcconnell has been a leader. pelosi. the faces don't change. the door plates change. >> for democrats it contributes to the broader narrative is there's no new ideas. fst the same peopl-- it's the s. >> they have an exciting new class. >> they have this messaging dissonance moving forward. >> one of the things is that pelosi presenting herself as a transitional leader.
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>> she used that once in the l.a. times. >> hillary clinton said i may not be change but look at this change i made. >> no. i remember that. i may not be change but look at all this change. >> none of the leadership has come up with real message to say why they should stick around. >> being the academic of the crowd, i'm curious. i want to talk about the medal of freedom ceremony today. there's some people that was a very traditional person to put there, antonin scalia, orrin
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hatch. it was weird with the babe ruth and roger staubach. when the president speaks about returning to halcyon days of the past, he doesn't name a specific year. the feeling is represented by elvis and the babe who speak to a generalized white nostalgia. that's what i saw today. it didn't feel today. it did feel yesterday. >> retro. it the president has excelled at sort of appealing to. there's some who made more outlandish claims that it was a total racist. that to me is taking it a bit far. i think there's something about appealing to a time of the past that's gone by and a lot of people in america do yearn for. >> they yearn for something that
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never existed. >> it's also appealing to his older base. one of the things when he was running for office, he was talking about the japanese would come after us. it's like this understanding of who his base is. >> very good point. i have to wrap you guys. sorry. excellent panel. we'll be right back. sorry. excellent panel. we'll be right back. got directions to the nightclub here. and if you get lost, just hit me on the old horn. man: tom's my best friend, but ever since he bought a new house... tom: it's a $10 cover? oh, okay. didn't see that on the website.
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