tv The Last Word With Lawrence O Donnell MSNBC November 19, 2018 7:00pm-8:00pm PST
number one, receiving a christmas tree. he didn't have to like go pick it out or saw it down or something. he just had to walk out and look at it when it arrived. that was one of two items on his schedule today, say hello to the tree. the second item on his schedule today was lunch, lunch with mike pence. so that's it. get the tree or look at the tree and have lunch with mike. i want to be fair and put this in context, i can also now tell you we have the president's schedule for tomorrow. his official schedule for tomorrow has one item on it. he will be meeting a turkey. presentation of the national thanksgiving turkey. at 1:05 p.m. he will pardon either carrots or peas tomorrow, but that's it. that's all the president's doing tomorrow. so don't worry about his stress levels. he's fine. that does it for us tonight. now it's time for the "last word." ali velshi is in for lawrence
tonight. >> he walked all the way around that wagon that has the tree on it, he greeted the driver, looked at the horses. >> well, did he look at the horses, really? >> rachel. >> that might have been on the checklist. >> i will leave it by saying i'm enjoying the podcast a great deal. >> episode 5 we just posted. >> have a great evening, rachel. i'm ali velshi in for lawrence o'donnell. the president could be less than 72 hours from handing over his first written answers to special counsel robert mueller under possible penalty of perjury as he continues to face criticism over the man that he just put in charge of overseeing the mueller investigation. nbc news reports, quote, president donald trump's legal team plans to submit answers to special counsel robert mueller by thanksgiving. but the president will not be answering any questions related
to obstruction of justice, which happens to be central to the investigation. the president had previously claimed he was 100% willing to sit down with the special counsel, but now he's finally admitted in a new interview with fox news, that he has no intention of talking to robert mueller. >> is that your final position, that there's going to be no sit down interview and nothing written or in person on obstruction? >> i would say probably. probably. i can change my mind, but probably. i think we've wasted enough time on this witch hunt. >> anyone wondering why the president has now taken his lawyer's advice to not talk to robert mueller in person and under oath needs only to look at the president's consistent inability to tell the truth. in that new fox news interview he said this about the acting -- the new acting attorney general
who he just picked to oversee robert mueller. >> did you know before you appointed him that he had that record and was so critical of robert mueller? >> i did not know that. i did not know he took views on the mueller investigation as such. >> and when you found that out? >> i don't think it had any effect. if you look at those statements, those statements can really be viewed either way. >> but he says there's no collusion, he says you can -- >> what do you do when a person's right? there is no collusion. he happened to be right. >> no idea, no affect. the president said he had no idea, no idea matthew whitaker was a vocal critic of the mueller investigation before he chose him to oversee the mueller investigation. that is patently false. people close to the president told "the new york times," quote, mr. whitaker first came to the attention of mr. trump because he liked watching mr. whitaker express skepticism about aspects of mr. mueller's
investigation on television. we've all seen it. bald guy, looks like me says the mueller investigation doesn't make sense, and you can starve it of funds. this is not the first contradictory claim donald trump made about matt whitaker. >> i don't know matt whitaker. i can tell you matt whitaker's a great guy. i mean, i know matt whitaker. >> i don't know matt whitaker, i know matt whitaker. if donald trump can't tell fox news the truth, what's the chance he can tell the truth about russia or the firing of james comey? the president was asked in that interview -- >> if whitaker decides in any way to limit or curtail the mueller investigation, are you okay with that? >> look, it's going to be up to him. i think he's very well aware politically. i think he's astute politically.
he's a very smart person, a very respected person. he's going to do what's right. i really believe he's going to do what's right. >> but you want to overrule him if he decides to curtail. >> i would not get involved. >> today democrats are trying to fight back against what they see as the president's unconstitutional choice of whitaker. three democrats on the senate judiciary committee have filed a lawsuit challenging whitaker's appointment. senators richard bloomenthal who you just saw on rachel and whitehouse and mazy hiroano have filed a lawsuit to block whitaker. and they say president trump's decision to make him acting a.g. violates the constitution's appointments clause because matthew whitaker has not been confirmed to any government position by the united states senate. this is the third legal challenge to whit kfr, but
despite the fears mueller's investigation continues undeterred for now. mueller's legal team filed a brief today saying the new acting attorney general neither alters the special counsel's authority nor raises any jurisdictional issue. joining us now barbara mcquade, a former u.s. attorney and professor of law at the university of michigan. she's an msnbc legal contributor. also joining us ron klain, former chiefs of staff to vice president's joe biden and al gore and a former senior aide to president obama. and kori is author of the new book, "the oath and the office, a guide to the constitution for future presidents," which makes me think this president is not in reading his book. barbara, let me start with you. the president said such remarkable things in the interview with chris wallace of fox news. he said that matthew whitaker's views as he has articulated them
in columns, in op-eds and on tv have no effect. they can be viewed differently by different people, and it's going to be up to him. there's nobody in the world who thinks this is up to matthew whitaker. in fact, everybody, all sentient beings understand matthew whitaker has been put in office to do his bidding. because he said to lester holt the reason he got rid of james comey and ultimately of the last attorney general was because he reaccused himself, because he wasn't going to do the right thing or the president's bidding, if you will. >> yeah, i think president trump has made it clear what he really wants in an attorney general is not an independent thinker to administer the laws of the country but someone who will protect him and serve as his personal lawyer. he said before i want my roy cohn. he's made reference to priors attorneys general he perceived to be there to protect the president. and i think another telling thing about that is he had a
perfectly good senate confirmed candidate ready to take the reigns in rod rosenstein, a person president trump himself appointed, that would be the obvious choice. but instead he picks someone of very questionable foif qualifications. the only thing that explains that appointment is as you say wanting someone to be there to do his bidding. >> cory, richard bloomenthal, the senator from connecticut, was on with rachel just a while ago. always successful these days to quote alexander hamilton. here's what he said and what the founding fathers were thinking about why you have to be careful about a guy like matt whitaker. >> alexander hamilton said it on behalf of the founders, they want to prevent a president from appointing people who were of such insignificance as to render
them absequence instruments of his pleasure. and that's matt whitaker, an instrument of the president's pleasure, known as his eyes and ears in the department of justice. so there's an immense practical significance and harm to us in our inability to advise and consent to hold hearings and say whether we approve of this nominee or not. >> two important points there. first of all, the court will ask what harm do you suffer outstanding thin this, and he's saying our harm is our inability to advise and consent to hold hearings. and he's suggesting matt whitaker is of such insignificance and pliancy to render them as absequence instruments of his pleasure, meaning the president's pleasure. >> the entire idea the framers had of an confirmation process was to have two branches involved to ensure we had a high
quality person in office. and certainly the constitution means what it says, that principle officers have to be by the senate. and marbury vs. madison is flawed and a bad decision, that's somebody who's basically at odds with the fundamental principles of our system. >> ron, let me just ask you this, though, you have worked for presidents and vice presidents in an era that goes back a few presidents now in which the white house and the administration have pushed the limits of what they believe presidential powers to be. ultimately senate approved or not, the president gets to choose who his attorney general is going to be. he does seem to want to choose someone who will do his bidding as it relates to the mueller investigation. do you think he just misstepped
in not realizing that matt whitaker having said all these things on tv and in print was going to come under fire barb because he could probably have found somebody who didn't have much of a paper trail but still do his bidding. >> well, perhaps, but that person would have to sit before the senate, answer questions about their views, testify under oath and then subject themselves tuesday a vote. look, if donald trump can replace jeff sessionwise a nonsenate confirmed person from that cabinet department, then he could fire every single cabinet secretary and replace them with a collection of family members, frauds, and in fact totems he likes to staff the federal government with. that's the kind of presidential overreach he's claiming. he's saying for 210 days, seven months, he can stick any person he wants in every cabinet seat, and that's an overreach that i think the courts will ultimately
reign in, and it certainly has to be reigned in if we're going to have a constitutional system of appointments. >> we believe he might be submitting questions before thanksgiving, before thursday to the mueller investigation. here's what he said to say about it. >> your team is preparing written answers to questions about -- >> no, not my team. i'm preparing written answers. yes, are they writing them out, yeah, they're writing what i tell them to write. >> are they going to be submitted? >> at some point very soon, yes. i completed them. >> barbara, what's the significance of i completed them, i wrote them out, does it matter? >> i think he's trying to show to the american people he's his own man, he's not lawyered up, but no doubt his lawyers have had a very active role in this. my guess is there's been reports he's sat down with lawyers in sessions where they've talked with him through his answers. he needs to provide the
substance of those answers, but no doubt lawyers have carefully crafted the langal uage of thos answers. so i don't know that matters a whole lot other than posturing and puffing to make himself look like he's the one in charge. >> ron, let's talk about the tweet the president sent out yesterday attacking the democratic congressman adam schiff, who we've had on this show a lot. the president's talked about him. the tweet, however, reads differently. so funny to see little adam -- i've been away. i don't know if he corrected it. i know he sent out several tweets thereafter without correcting the error in adam schiff's name. more importantly there's this red herring that the president is throwing out there about robert mueller not being senate
approved but matt whitaker for another position having been senate approved. what's he doing here? >> well, first of all, he's using a third grade nickname for the incoming chairman of the house intelligence committee, which tells you a lot about our president. but the rest of it as you say is a red herring. oh, and by the way, mr. mueller has of course been previously confirmed by the certaint several times for two senior positions, fbi and deputy attorney general. he has impeachable credentials for those jobs. and so this is an effort to stir the pot, muck things up and distract from the fact he's claiming unilateral power to pick any person he was in america and stick them in as the head of the justice department. there's no constitutional basis for that and exceeds his authorities as president. >> and of course adam schiff responded by tweet to donald trump. he said, wow, mr. president
that's a good one, was that like your answers to mr. mueller's questions or did you write this yourself? thanks to all three- of you for being with us tonight. >> and the former navy s.e.a.l. is defending a mission after an attack from president trump. here's what one of the incoming -- hear what one of the incoming freshman member of congress think about that. up next, the breaking news tonight from "the washington post." ivanka trump used a personal e-mail account to send hundred of e-mails about government business last year. the reaction from the white house after this. ar three action from the white house after this share the love event, we've shown just how far love can go. (grandma vo) over one hundred national parks protected. (mom vo) more than fifty thousand animals rescued. (old man vo) nearly two million meals delivered. (mom vo) over eighteen hundred wishes granted. (vo) that's one hundred and forty million dollars donated to charity by subaru and
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clinton got away with the e-mail lie, the e-mail scam, the e-mail corruption. we know hillary can't be trusted. we've learned that with america's security. you take a look at her e-mail situation. can we trust her with our security? how can hillary manage this country when she can't even manage her e-mails? she dund even remember whether or not she was instructed on how to use e-mails. were you instructed on how to use them? i can't remember. >> i guess ivanka wasn't listening to those rallies. joining me now one of the reporters who broke the story, political investigator for "the washington post" and an msnbc contributor. carol, this is kind of fascinating. somebody in the trump orbit using personal e-mails for government business. >> it sure is. and it's sort of one of those deja vu, hit your forehead into
a wall, what is going on here? essentially ivanka trump setoff a little bit of a four alarm fire in the white house in the fall of 2017. a public records request found that she was using her personal e-mails, but when the white house and various lawyers and ethicists in the white house started digging they realized actually she was using it more than anybody else in the white house. and sometimes she was referring to public business, sometimes she was writing to white house aides about public policy. and sometimes she was doing just logistical arranging, but she was still talking about government work on a personal e-mail. and in this expensive review, which now we finally know about through our reporting, the white house was saying we've got to do something about this because it appears that she's violated the presidential records act multiple times. >> so we learned last year that jared kushner uses a private
e-mail account. politico is reporting the presidential son-in-law and senior advisor jared kushner has corresponded with other administration officials about white house matters through a private e-mail account setup during the transition last d.c. that has a slightly more sinister feel to it because it was setup during the transition. but the number of private e-mails include jared kushner, ivanka trump, gary cohen, now gone, steven miller still there in the white house. again, this may be normal. this may not be normal, but for an administration that ran pretty much an entire campaign about the use of private e-mail for government business, what happens now? >> well, you know, basically ivanka trump's lawyers and her ethical counselor have argued to the white house counsel's office, look, we fixed this problem.
she may have violated the rule, she may have made some mistakes, but we fixed it because we've personally gone through all of her e-mails and reviewed them ourselves, and we've decided which ones are personal, which ones are work. and the ones that are work, we've made sure we've archived and copied back to white house government accounts. well, does that sound familiar to you? it does to me because hillary clinton as you may remember said she reviewed her e-mails with a lawyer, a private attorney, and determined which ones were personal and which ones were public and which ones she would turn over to the state department for archiving. ivanka didn't create a server and install it in her basement, but a lot of things are the same and they're going to touch off a fire storm about why this wouldn't be a higher priority or why the first family wouldn't be trying to meet a higher standard
after the pretty bitter campaign of 2016 that hinged on this subject so, so dearly. >> so, carol, there are a lot of people who watch the campaign, the presidential campaign and i think rightfully generationally wondered what this was about largely because people don't understand these things as clearly as they do. is the white house and the administration now clear on what the appropriate use of personal e-mail versus government e-mail is? should everybody be very clear on that now? >> well, yes. except, you know, in recent days we've done some reporting looking at all sorts of different kinds of encrypted or secretive communications that we are told white house officials still use from time to time with foreign officials. i hope that people understand that the presidential records act requires that government
business be stored, everything that they say that has to do with their public job be stored and archived. but, you know, we'll see. i would imagine we might have more eruptions of this kind. >> carol, good to talk to you. thank you for your reporting on this. a political investigations reporter for "the washington post" and an msnbc contributor. let's continue with this conversation with neera tanden, the president for the center of american progress, and also was hillary clinton's policy director during the 2008 presidential campaign. neera, what comes to mind? what are you thinking about when you're hearing that ivanka trump was using personal e-mail for government business? because there was a time when normal people would have said, oh, maybe they didn't know. >> i mean, if my eyes could roll back so far into my head, they just might not come back. i mean, here's the issue. it's really -- it's hard to know what is -- what is more at work here. just an incredible arrogance or
i have to say stupidity. because the truth is ivanka trump claiming that she didn't know about the rules, no one briefed her, did you not hear about the lock her up chants on this subject that resounded through halls throughout this country at the demand of her father? i mean the whole thing is ludicrous. i mean, what i think is important about this moment is the presidential records act is really about preserving records, exactly what ivanka trump did here is really what hillary clinton did in the form and function. and my view is every republican, every single republican with hillary clinton that made her testify for 11 1/2 hours should want, not want -- demand to hear from ivanka trump on this subject. and if they don't we will all know that all of that was
hypocrisy after hypocrisy. and we may just say, oh, this is just another trump scandal, but the truth is this was the core argument against hillary clinton. this was the argument of lock her -- that animated lock her up chants, that they still use. >> that still continues. >> that still continue. and i think it's outrageous that republicans would just get away with not holding a hearing. i expect lindsey graham to hold a hearing on this. >> the frustration of course is that republicans, trey gowdy -- they went on -- >> 40 hearings. >> they went on for a long time. 40 hearings and a lot of people in the country sort of said, what are you all carrying on about? this is little bit ridiculous. i guess applying that standard, should republicans demand that from ivanka trump, or have we all come around to the idea that some of this is bad policy, some of this is bad practice and some of it's ridiculous?
>> i think what should happen is one of the reasons why democrats won the house back is for accountability, simple accountability. so when scandals like this erupt, we actually have an answer, a response instead of everyone sweeping it under the rug. so i hope congressman comings holds hearings on this, and he should just ask the simple question of the ivanka trump. is what hillary did wrong and what you did right? and i'd love to know her answer. and if she violated the presidential records act, she should be held accountable just like any other person in the administration. >> kind of remarkable, though, when you see that list of six people in and around the white house who were doing this given that an entire campaign was run on the basis of this. >> i'll just say that they did this. she did this, people -- the white house has been run like there's no accountability. and the good news is that that changed on november 6th.
>> neera, the president of the center for american progress. coming up next after skipping veterans day events president trump is now attacking the navy s.e.a.l. who led the raid that killed osama bin laden, suggesting bin laden could have been caught sooner. the remarks have drawn sharp criticism from officials who were actually involved in the raid. what they have to say after the break. raid what they have to say after the break. appear. they're designed, meticulously. every bolt, stitch, line of code tested and tested again. until, finally this. elves got nothing on us. ford. built for the holidays. time to get our best offers of the season. very high triglycerides with diet and exercise deserves the hard work that went into the science behind vascepa. prescription vascepa.
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he should have taken out osama bin laden sooner. >> retired admiral, navy s.e.a.l., 47 years, former head of operations -- >> hillary clinton fan. >> who led command of the operations who took down hussein and killed sooma bin laden is saying -- >> he's a hillary clinton backer and an obama backer, and, frankly -- >> he's a navy s.e.a.l. >> it would have been nicer if we'd gotten osama bin laden sooner than that. >> tweeting of course we should have captured osama bin laden long before we did. intelligence communities are fighting back against trump's criticism of mcraven. >> this president owes admiral mcraven and all of the s.e.a.l.s involved in that operation an
apology for what he's saying. he's undermining his position as commander in chief not only with those that conducted the operation but with the entire military. >> the president is simply wrong. he's uninformed, and he is pushing an idea that i think is not helpful. >> it's really a slam at the intelligence community who was responsible for tracking down osama bin laden. it reflects i think his complete ignorance about what that took. >> this isn't the first time donald trump has attacked member of the military or the intelligence community. in 2016 trump insulted this man, gold star father kizar khan. trump also mocked john mccain for being a prisoner of war and was slow to acknowledge mccain's death by lowering flags to half staff and in april rejected cia john brennen's security
clearance. admiral mcraven came to john brennen's defense writing in april, through your actions you have embarrassed us in the eyes of our children, hemilliated us on the world stage and worst of all divide us as a nation. if you think your mccarthy era tactics, you are sadly mistaken. several months later here's how he responded to trump's attacks against him. i did not back hillary clinton or anyone else. i'm a fan of president obama and president george w. bush, both of whom i worked for. i admire all pre-s regardless of their political party who uphold the dignity of the office and who use that office to bring the nation together in challenging times. joining us now, tom nickels, tim o'brien, the author of "trump nation, the art of being the
donald." tim, let me start with you. when chris wallace was trying to get answers out of the president in that fox interview, he kept interrupting him and saying he's a hillary clinton backer, he's an obama backer, a hillary clinton supporter. this nonsense he accuses him of engaging it actually does seem to work with some people. in other words, there are some in the president's orbit or base who hear mcraven is a hillary clinton backer or obama backer that diminishes him in the eyes of those supporters. this is former navy s.e.a.l. who headed the attack on bin laden that resulted in his death. >> the successful capture of osama bin laden after years of hard fought intelligence and with military tracking. this parts and parcel the president's assault on institutional forces of american society, whether it's the judiciary, congress, the media and of course the military.
and i think what's unique when it comes to the military is i think career military officers and soldiers are almost willfully obedient to whoever is in the office. of course they have their own opinions, but i think they see their jobs as serving the country sometimes perhaps in a time of war. and they understand there's a chain of command they have to follow. so this idea that his critics in the military are critics of him because they have political allegiances that aren't to him is ridiculous. >> or may have had them to a prior commander in chief. >> in the past. but these are highly trained career people who are serving the country. and trump's own relationship to the military is somewhat cartoonish. he loves swords, he loves parades. he loves military uniforms. in his own autobiography he
pointed out that one of his proudest moments was leading his military school parade down fifth avenue when he got to put the uniform on, he loved all of the pomp and circumstance of the military, but he doesn't attach himself to the sacrifice and the service that are also fundamental to military life. >> when we saw on veterans day. tom, here's the problem, that when you take the attacks on the judiciary, you take the attacks on the press, which continue, you take the attacks on the fbi, at some point when you overlay that behavior on history it always looks the same. it is dictatorial, it is authoritarian. the president as tim has just pointed out has this cartoonish fetish with the military and yet shows disrespect in those moments that are most important. >> look, as always my views are
those of my own and not the navy or government. i think the problem here is we're always focused on the president's comments, but we shouldn't be surprised by them. because this issue that you raise, ali, about institutions, institutions don't have any independent existence for the president other than whether they're for or against him. that's the only judgment he makes, and we should be used to that by now. >> but shouldn't we be very frightened by that? >> of course. >> that comment you make is so interesting because our country, our stability is based on these institutions. >> of course. but there's an even scarier story underneath this, because again the president is not going to change. this is who he is. i mean, i would have thought after the attack on john mccain and the gold star families perhaps that more people would have been upset by this, but i think the bigger story underneath this is that the institutional republican party has gone from embarrassment to
silence to now full throated support of these kinds of attacks. that's something that i think is really new, that it's not just the president out there alone saying i don't like this institution or that institution or this officer or that officer because he's against me. he has the backing of the actual gop publicly as well as the silence of senior republicans. i think this is the real story underneath this that's in some ways even more terrifying. again, these kinds of attacks, the president only judges things in terms of loyalty and disloyalty, not in terms of ins institutions that were there before him and after him. >> i just hope this is such an opportunity, tim, for everybody to review history. let's start with the history of osama bin laden and those raids. people should read them and understand the peril, the real danger that faced anybody who got involved in that including those s.e.a.l.s who were involved that very day, but more importantly this new normal of the cartoonish behavior, the
tweet by the president about adam schiff in which he referred to him as adam schitt. >> well, he's become enabled. this has worked for him. the gop has demonstrated a lack of political courage in standard traditional values. >> this is a 5-year-old. >> or 3-year-old. she had sort of texas twang, and she said, honey, the only thing you need to know about donald trump is he's a 7-year-old grown old. and that's the case. he's been insulated from the impacts of his own mistakes almost from birth. because he was born wealthy and became president. most of us have had to learn from our past mistakes and adapt. he's never had to do that. what's interesting now is his mistakes aaffe mistakes affect a lot more people. and the institutions around him or the adults around him who
should reign him in and as tom pointed out aren't stepping up, and he's empowered by that. >> so, tom, when he attacks the judiciary -- i think the judiciary can take care of itself unless he undermines it to the degree it becomes dangerous. when he attacks the press, it's fine. we can take care of ourselves. when he attacks the fbi i get worried about the recruitment to the fbi. as we know the numbers are now. and when he attacks the military morale goes down. we have members of the military who serve and don't get much recognition even when they die. and then the president starts attacking institutions in this fashion. what does that do to the members of our military? >> one concern i have is the tone is set at the top. this is one commander in chief speaking with utter contempt in an almost childish way about a member of congress. this is fought an american
value. it's not a democratic value. >> or mcraven, someone who's highly decorated and regarded. >> actually, members of the military could not speak about a u.s. congressman the way the president is talking about adam schiff. i mean it's -- i think, you know, there has to be some sense of respect for the other elected branch. i mean congress is the article i branch of our constitution and our political system, and it's okay to have political scraps and dono brooks. it's not okay to fundamentally question the legitimacy or basic humanity of members of congress by treating them and acting like you're on a playground. >> tom, is there any merit -- i haven't discussed it in this conversation so i'll ask for a quick answer -- is there any merit to discussing trump's view we should have gotten osama bin laden earlier? >> the problem with that as tim was pointing out and in your
earlier clips, blaming the military for not getting bin laden earlier is not understanding whose job it was to find bin laden. this notion, you can argue clinlten had a shot at him and the lawyers perhaps didn't want to do that. but i just don't think that's a worthwhile discussion anymore, and i think it's fair to anybody. >> tom, good to talk to you. thank you so much for joining us. thank you to both of you. coming up, the woman who flipped her virginia house district by one of the biggest margins of any democrat in the country on election night, democratic congresswoman elect jennifer wexton tells us who she's backing for speaker of the house. n tells us who she's backing for speaker of the house. (vo) this is not a video game.
tonight the blue wave gets bigger again. nbc news projects the democratic small is the apparent winner in new mexico's second congressional district. that brings the overall democratic gain in the house to a total of 38 seats with two races yet to be called. but the fight over who will be the next speaker of the house is just heating up. today a group of 16 democrats signed a letter pledging to oppose nancy pelosi for speaker. arguing that the party needs new leadership. quote, our majority came on the backs of candidates who said that they will support new leadership because voters in hard-won districts and across the country want to see real change in washington. we promise to change the status quo, and we intend to deliver on
that promise. but so far no other democrat has officially challenged pelosi for the speakership. the only one who considered challenging was ohio marcy fudge. but fudge didn't sign the final copy of that letter signed by 16 democrats. kurn currently democrats hold 230 seats in the upcoming congress. pelosi needs 218 votes to win, meaning she could only lose 15 votes on the floor. and then ben mcadams, this gentleman here, one of the 16 signees, has yet to officially win his race in utah. but newly elected new york congresswoman who's been advocating new leadership told chris hayes on all in tonight the democrats must have a plan to back up their message of change. >> my maine concern was that
there is no vision, there is no common value, there is no goal that is really articulated in this letter aside from we need to change. and for me what that says is, you know, i do think we got sent to congress on a mandate to change how government works, to change how our government even looks like, but if we are not on the same page about changing the systems and the values and how we're going to adapt as a party for the future, then what is the point of just changing our party leadership just for the sake of that? >> okay, after the break we'll discuss what another of the freshman democratic members, congressman elect jennifer wexton of virginia thinks about the fight for speaker. thinks a the fight for speaker. your mornings were made for better things
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joining me now as promised, democratic congresswoman-elect jennifer wexton who flipped virginia's 10th congressional district. congresswoman-elect, welcome to the show, thank you for being with us. >> thank you for having me. >> look, this seems esoteric, but it's important. because nancy pelosi, like her or don't like her, and many like her and many don't like her, is institutional. she is representative of the democratic party in congress. she is for all intents and purposes the existing face of the democratic party in congress. arguably, that face has changed some. where do you stand on the issue of nancy pelosi as the next speaker of the house? >> i will be supporting nancy pelosi for speaker. i think that she has what it
takes and i know that we've got a oath loalot of work to do. she's ready to hit the ground running on day one. >> politico has an article that looks like thee additional law makers or members-elect who have confirmed to politico that they intend to oppose pelosi afternoon the floor, conor lamb of pennsylvania, abigail spangerger, jason crow of colorado, could put the total number of opponents at 19, which means this may be a fight, you may be involved in a campaign of some sort. >> well, i would not count leader pelosi out. you know, she's very capable of voting to 50% plus 1, and i'm sure that she has been making the rounds talking to members about what they're looking for and what their requests would be. >> you know, an exit poll from nbc news on election night indicated that nancy pelosi has an unfavorable rating of 56% versus a favorable of 31%. to what you dough attribudo you?
people asked me the other day, why don't people like nancy pelosi? how would you respond to that? what's the thing who will cause people who are democrats, let's forget republicans who don't like people of the other party, but let's talk about democrats, alone. why do people not like nancy pelosi, do you think? >> well, there have been about a deca decade's worth of political advertising attacking her relentlessly over and over, so that certainly has an impact, i would imagine. >> what do you think causes people to like her? because if there are 19 against her, that may still put her close enough to having enough people to put her over the top. what's the thing that you think nancy pelosi represents that democrats should be thinking about? >> she's incredibly effective. you know, she is able to shepherd through big pieces of legislation. and that's what we're hoping to do over the next two years. you know, we got, as i said, a lot of work to do. we didn't run on promises to oppose and obstruct. we all ran on promises to work together and make things happen to benefit our constituents in this country. you know, we need to work on
health care, we need to work on gun violence prevention. we theneed to work on money in politics and restoring faith in good government. there's so much for us to do, butby need a leader who's going to be able to shepherd this legislation through congress. >> and our exit polls show that health care is the most important issue to voters who voted in this past election. that's where they're going to want your attention focused. congresswoman-elect jennifer wexton, congratulations on your election. thanks for joining us on the show tonight. >> thank you. >> tonight's "last word" is next. next ♪ the greatest wish of all... is one that brings us together. the lincoln wish list event is here. sign and drive off in a new lincoln with $0 down, $0 due at signing, and a complimentary first month's payment. only at your lincoln dealer.
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>> not long. he came out and said hello and slithered back into the bush. >> martin short gets tonight's "last word." "11th hour with brian williams" starts right now. the breaking news tonight from the "washington post." ivanka trump used personal e-mail to conduct official business while working for the government. tonight, she's getting called out for arrogance and ignorance. plus, a bizarre 48 hours in the the world of president trump. including an attack on the admiral who oversaw the bin laden raid. converting the last name of a prominent congressman to a dirty word. and his continued complaint that we're not sweeping and cleaning our forest floors near enough. we'll talk about all of it tonight with a special guest, former cia director john bren n brennan, as "the 11th hour" gets under way on a monday evening. well, as we start a new week, good evening once again from our nbc news headquarters here in new york. day 669 of the trump