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corsi, stone and others were linked to wikileaks and its released of hacked democratic e-mails. a short time ago stone spoke to the associated press, he said it's clear from his recent interviews that my friend dr. corsi has been under a tremendous amount of pressure and it's beginning to affect him profoundly. he said corsi has been asked to say things he doesn't believe occurr occurred. house republicans say today, yes, today, there is still much more to investigate into hillary clinton's server. >> this is something that should have been done a while ago. there's real questions as to why comey began this investigation in the first place and why he was telling us one thing behind the scenes and saying it in publicly.
thursday they announced subpo a subpoenas for james comey and loretta lynch. comey says he's willing to sit in the light but he doesn't want to sit in the closed door thing. anna, what do you know about jerome corsi and wa he might be getting out of this plea deal? >> he says he is in the plea negotiations. it's unclear why he wants to make all of that public.
kne he feels under pressure. kneels he must have slipped up and made some mistake that contradicted one communication in the binder of communications that investigators have been going through over the past two months. he told me he thought it was probably a perjury trap issue. that means they caught him lying. we don't have any details on the nature of these plea negotiations. he was providing stone opposition research in the summer and fall of 2016, that key period right before the john podesta e-mail. the question is did corsi did have some kind of advance knowledge about what wikileaks was going to do and pass it
stone and or anyone in the trump campaign. those are the big questions. >> what do you make of this potential plea bargain? >>st the sort of cliche to compare the on goings to the trump-russia scandal to scenes of a movie. it's the biggest indication that those analogies are apt. this is a guy who in the obama era you would never expect to see at the center of major scandal. definitely not one involving the president of the united states with the leader of the free world in any way. much like donald trump, jerome corsi was one of the leaders of the racist birther movement. he's gotten wrapped up in this because of wikileaks and the investigations or the scrutiny into roger stone. it's fascinating to see him at the center of this.
>> when i talk to folk who is have sat for interviews with the official counsel, they said it seems clear that what the special counsel is looking for whether or not there was a back channel between donald trump and wikileaks and if there was a back channel, who it was. roger stone's name has come up over and over again. jerome corsi's name is relatively new. they are not just looking in the john podesta in the barrel stone. there was also a lot of interest in the news conference on july 27th, 2016 where donald trump says to reporters and the world because it was broadcast on national television russia, if you're listening i'd love to see
hillary clinton's e-mails. they are looking into why donald trump would say that at that time. was he prompted by some knowledge of wikileaks or did it just come out of the blue? it seemed to the folks that sat for interviews the special counsel's office was interested because that sort of statement didn't seem like something someone would just make up on the spot. >> that's right. by the way, i don't really believe in coincidences so the notion it came out of blue strikes me as fanciful. there's some chain of events, some chain of people between russian military intelligence and wikileaks and gucicifer and the trump campaign. the mueller team is trying to establish who is in that chain. to nanna's reporting, i think it's important to add one thing. you don't plead guilty because you made a mistake. mistakes don't count as crimes.
you pleads guilty because you intentionally and knowingly lied or committed some act that's criminal. a federal judge will not take a guilty plea in open court under oath if all you did is make a mistake. if they are looking to criminalize a mistake just crazy. >> looking at roger stone and jerome corsi, the two have offered a similar explaination. they said and anna could speak to this as well, they both said that when they were talking about john podesta's e-mails, they were just deducing from what was already out there. they wondered to themselves and the clinton e-mails why am i not seeing anything from john podesta and that's why they guessed. how do prosecutors take those
arguments and do they need documentary evidence that contradicts that in order to prove anything in. >> i can tell you they don't take it at face value. what you just described is an alibi. it's an excuse. it might be true. if it turns tout be true it's not a crime. if it turns out not to be true, false, if they didn't deduce it would be john podesta's time in the barrel and they have lied about it then that's a crime. to your sec point which i think is a very important one, prosecutors will want to corroborate that in many ways. perhaps text message, e-mail, the testimony of other people, documents. you see this over and over again particularly when matters become public as they did many the manafort trial. you saw how many different ways good prosecutors and good agents corroborate facts in the case. i imagine that's what will happen here too. >> the other story that we're
looking at right now are these two subpoenas from house republicans in the dying hours of their time and charge of the relative committees in the house intelligence, you dijudiciary c for james comey and loretta lynch. why them, why now? >> it's the last gas of the republican majority. i think this is something the more aggressive trump allies in the house republican conference have agitated for for a long time. they want to put the screws to comey. think think he hasn't been fully forthcoming about his role in the clinton investigation and how that played out and launching the russia investigation. democrats say this is a smoke screen. it's another attempt to protect donald trump in the last hours of their majority. that's why comey is fighting the subpoena right now. >> jim hines has a theory to why
he thinks house republicans are calling comey and lynch. let's listen to him. >> i understand especially now that it turns out that the president's daughter was doing exactly what donald trump ran on using a private e-mail account for government business. i understand how they might want to go back to the hillary clinton thing. >> they kind of stuck with the hillary clinton thing for quite some time. it's not necessarily a new thing but the democrats want to talk about ivanka's e-mails. >> there's some internal debate within democratic circles on capitol hill about how much they want to make something like ivanka trump's e-mails front and center when they launched a wave of subpoenas with the new congress. some feel it's time for pay back or some karma in terms of what trump world did with hillary clinton e-mails to see if they can get a taste of their own
medicine. a lot of other democratic lawmakers and aides would think it would seem too transparent and there are much more things to focus on in terms of issue p -- subpoenas. numerous administration officials have said that senior aides in trump's inner circle and the administration expect to be spending a lot more time on capitol hill with this new congress and a lot more time producing documents. >> the other thing that's happening on monday is paul manafort will be back in the news. prosecutors will have a hearing about him. they are talking about plea agreement, the cooperation agreement that he made with the special counsel and they will give an update on that. what does that normally look like? >> i imagine prosecutors will tell the court either they need a little more time because they continue to debrief manafort or they are ready to proceed to sentencing. more likely the latter. they spent a lot of time with
him. they have gotten from him everything he knows. they probably put him in the grand jury to lock down his story under oath. either on monday or soon after will tell the court they are ready to go to sentencing. >> why is everybody so focussed on this? why do folks think they will learn a lot more? >> from manafort? >> from this hearing. maybe it's because we haven't heard from robert mueller's prosecutors in quite a while. there's a lot of tuk that monday could be a pivotal day for the investigation. >> it might be but i wouldn't look to the manafort pleading for that reason. i think we will see an indication from the government they are ready to proceed to sflnsing. >> thank you for being the voice of reason on our panel.
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the president fired back on twitter where he decried the judicial activism of the nineth circuit court of appeals which ruled against the administration on the issue of asylum seekers on monday. kelly, it's extraordinary that john roberts would say anything to push back against the president. usually the chief justice doesn't say a single word. he clearly fell it was necessary the other day to push back and say we have judges, period. judge who is try to do their level best. not judges that are purely political as the president is painting them. >> reporter: you get this sense this was not impulsive. he was asked by the associated press and had time to contemplate an answer and felt it was important to set what he
believes is the record straight. although judges and justices are appointed by presidents to sort of decouple them from the political and ideological views of the president, they want to have a certain liberation from that once they are sworn into these lifetime appointments for these judges and justices to be able to do their work without every decision they make being viewed through the lens of the president who appointed them. consider that when the chief justice weighs in on something like this how weighty that is. we're accustomed to the president non-stop tweets. a particular case that's thwarting his asylum plans but trying to make the broader point. why would the chief justice do
that? we can't get inside his head but he must believe the need to make this point resonate because the president has been able to convince his supporters in so many ways about his views. when you look at this kind of a feud, how ironic it is, because the appointments of the supreme court is easy for him to talk about because of filling two openings. having justices that are in line with what he was telling voters he would do. to now feud with the chief justice is notable. the president when given a chance to talk about this sort of dialed it back and said he likes and respects john roberts but he is frustrated by what he calls judicial activism that would be affecting some of his policies by putting up roadblocks. >> i wonder what this means for the future. if there's a subpoena fight for the president's testimony in the
robert mueller case and that goes to the supreme court, is this a way for donald trump to inoculate himself against a decision that's not in his favor for him to say chief justice roberts doesn't like me because i push back against him. that's why this is just a political ruling. is that the strategy here or is it just because he fights with everybody around him? >> i think it's a bit of both. this is the man who swore donald trump into office. he's also the guy who wrote the opinion upholding trump's travel ban. he's not somebody who's been disrespectful to trump's presidency despite a lot of controversy around it.
at the end of the day s, people talk about him as a swing vote, at the end of the day john roberts is an institutionalist. he runs an institution that the president is attacking. when that happens, the head of an institution feels an obligation to say this is what we do. this is what we don't do and by the way, the appointments process for federal judges is such that there are going to be some judges at any given time that any president may not like and may not agree with and that's the way the system works and the process for dealing with opinions we don't like is called appeals. roberts is just reminding people of the way the judiciary works and will that have the effect of causing tension if there's ever a mueller issue before the
supreme court, i don't know. i think trump should think hard about how much he really wants to alienate the people who might have to decide those cases. >> thank you very much. >> thank you. we have breaking news on the trump administration's transgender military ban. nbc news just correspondent pete williams is in washington. the white house is saying it wants to take it up directly in the supreme court. >> what the trump administration intends to do here is ask the supreme court to bypass what's going on in the lower courts and go ahead and reach out and take this issue away from the courts that are now considering it. this is something the supreme court almost never does and this is something the trump administration has been doing more and more of late. what they say in a brief filed with the supreme court today is that if they wait for the lower courts to decide, it will be another year before they can get this before the supreme court. they say that the military has
decided that a transgender policy would be a threat to readiness, good order, sound leadership and cohesion. they are saying let's get on it with. why not take it now. a similar request before the supreme court is pending on the daca policy of president obama. the supreme court generally doesn't take these things. what they like to do is see how the lower court decides things and then take them. they are almost never granted. the trump administration says this is one of the cases where you should grant an exemption. we don't know how soon the supreme court will act on this. if i had to bet the odds are against this but you never know. >> the argument is this is part of national security which is why it needs to be hurried up. >> right. >> interesting. this caught and i know this is not your beat but this did catch
the pentagon by surprise when donald trump tweeted out the ban. it's been slow walked by james mattis. is he going to have a hard time, legally speaking, considering the disconnect between the administration, the white house and the pentagon on this? >> i think that will be less important to the supreme court than another factor. for a time the military operated under a policy of permitting transgender people to serve and enlist and remain in the military. this is change in policy and it's little harder for the government to go in now and say this is a terrible emergency. we can't -- this is going to be awful for national security given the fact it was once the policy. i think that makes it a bit tougher than if you were going if for the first time saying please don't make us do something we have never done before. >> thank you very much. donald trump is threatening to shut down the government for his border call again. why he probably missed his opportunity to get that wall at all, next. i'm alex trebek here to tell you
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signature campaign promise. that big beautiful border wall. he made the remarks yesterday at his resort in palm beach while speaking to reporters following phone calls with military commanders which were interested in themselves if you want to look another them. he refused didn't refuse a shut. >> shutdown over this wall in december? >> could happen. over border security. the wall is a part of border security. could there be a shutdown? it could and it will be about border security of which the wall is part. is the president going to get his wall or a government
shutdown or will he get neither? >> the wall. the beautiful wall. the president, as you know, has the house, has the senate and clearly the white house. they want to shutdown the government over a wall. let's not forget that he promised the american people that mexico would pay for. the wall is not even policy. it's hateful rhetoric. it's not going to work. on his last ditch effort when the house will go democratic, he wants to double down on this hateful rhetoric. this is what he does. any time he feels like his back is to the wall he doubles down on immigration. we saw that with the caravan which he lied about. it's not true. he sent out 5,000 troops to the border away from their family and thanksgiving. many are serving tours in iraq and afghanistan. this is all pabt politics for
him. >> rick, he had his chance to get his border wall. feels like a year ago now. at one point chuck schumer said he would give him the funding in exchange for protections for daca. he had control of the house and senate. the border wall still didn't happen. what's the likelihood that it happens going forward with the democrats now controlling the house? >> nil. almost zero. here trump is announcing a shutdown. taking away any leverage he
might have. when you announce you will have a shutdown, seems you'll be blamed for it. the second is the democrats have a mandate coming out of 2018 midterm elections. they won control of the house. hundreds of state legislative races. it seems as though the american people wanted change aw donald trump's policy. that would be another reason why if there were a shutdown and i doubt there would be that they would get blamed. third and finally is republicans tend to get blamed for government shutdown just because the perception of republicans has been that they are somewhat anti-government. i would disagree with that. they have been limited government. the democrats are more pro-government and would really have no reason or leverage of shutting down the government. i don't see in the end how trump is at all going to benefit from either announcing there will be a shutdown or if there was going to be one. >> makes you wonder why he's
announcing it in the first place. listen to kristen welker talking to peter king earlier today about this. >> i strongly support funding the border wall but i don't believe we should shut the government down. i've posed it in the past when it was done by republicans, democrats. we have an obligation to keep the government going. >> that's a republican he'd need on his side. why is the president bringing this up? why does he keep beating this drum? >> it's a drum that seems to work with his base. this is what they want. this is what got him into the white house. he talked about mexicans being drug dealers and rapists. he continued with that awful rhetoric throughout his campaign and into the white house. this is what he does.
he repealed daca and asked for a big bill of love. to their credit, both republicans and democrats came together on the senate and offered him a bipartisan bill that talked about daca and immigration as a whole and gave him his awful billions of dollars for his wall. he rejected it. he blew it up. it's never been about policy. it's been about rhetoric for him. this is what he does. when he feels like he wants to control the news cycle or make sure that his -- what he wants out there is taking control of that news sickcycle, he does th. he throws immigration. now we hear about transgender legislation with what's going on in the courts now. it's all awful and this is what he does. >> is this why the president is talking about an invasion on the southern boarder and sending troops down there and saying he wants to authorize legal force for caravan that's mostly coming
with people who are seeking asylum and who might be throwing rocks at the very worst at border patrol officers. >> all that is fake news. i think he mentioned yesterday it was 500 criminals in the caravan. how would he know this? he just made up the number. the other thing about the government shutdown is they don't work anymore. they seem to get paid so there's no threat in the government shutdown. you have to make a spectacle for them to make big news. when they tried to shut down the world war ii memory, they hial, to hire people to shut it down. they just don't work. >> speaking truth fouer. thank you. up next, mississippi.
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like this before? her opponent is trying to frame hyde-smith's comments as backwards and embarrassing for the state. >> how embarrassing is cindy hyde-smith. walmart said the comments do not reflect the values of our company. now at&t, union pacific and other fortune 500 companies, company after company has rejected her deviivisive words. we have worked hard to overcome the stereotypes that reflect our economies. so embarrassing she would be a disaster for mississippi. >> i'm mike espy and i approve this message. >> can a democrat win in deep red mississippi in 2018? what are you hearing on the ground? is that ad resonating with
voters are is hyde-smith still enjoy a solid group of supporters? >> reporter: donald trump won here two years ago by 18 percentage points. the question is how many republicans defect from cindy hyde-smith or don't show up at all. i want to play you a bit of sound from one of the workers here in jackson. he said that he sometimes votes and on november 6th he did not show up to vote. he doesn't always prioritize voting but on next tuesday he said he will be going to the polls and voting for mike espy. this is what he told us. >> i don't think she's a proper to have especially making comments about hanging. we don't need that in mississippi. we have a bad rap as it is. espy might be bea better shot t getting mississippi out there to
we're wanting to move forward. >> reporter: when you compare that here, this is the tough part of covering this race. you talk about the african-american electorate makes up about one third of the voting electorate here. mike espy must pull off a good portion of that white vote here in the state in order to pull off the victory on tuesday. in the issue of cindy hyde-smith comments talking with folks in the african-american community, a town in the delta region. it's all black community where emmett till was killed and i talked the former mayor who grew up under the jim crow area. mike espy went to a segregated school. when you talk to african-american voters they tell you she may have had no ill
intent with her comments, at the same time it's very raw because the racism of generations past and even today those impacts are still being seen in communities like in jackson, the big urban core of mississippi. as the ad from mike espy put out there, a lot of mississippi voters, said they want to change the stereotypes that mississippi has long held. the question is how many of those individuals that consider themselves conservative republicans who stand for principles like pro-life, how many are willing to vote for a democrat. >> i think they want to see this as another alabama with doug jones versus roy moore. matt, you wrote an interesting article about cindy hyde-smith and her history and saying these rational comments are not the first time
she's done this. she's got a long history supporting the confederate flag, supporting jefferson davis who was the president of the con fed confederate. >> she sponsored legislation to rename a portion of the highway after jefferson davis. she's gone to the jefferson davis museum and posed for t photos there. she does have a long history for supporting the confedaracy. this comes down to a test of the hold sou old south. the confederate emblem is still on the mississippi state flag. that's kind of what this
election is about. >> in 2014 when she was wearing that confederate hat and talking about telling votes to visit the homestead for jefferson davis. she said mississippi history at its best. you might have a deep respect for your history but to say mississippi history at its best when talk about the confederacy and talking about keeping the old order in place and slavery in place. that's got to rub a lot of folks the wrong way down there. >> i think the way she's handled the comments about public hanging, being willing to sit on the front row of a public hang, the comments struck people and her reaction to it. she didn't offer a full throated apology. she apologizes to anyone who may have been offend passenger sied. >> which is not an actual
apology. if your husband says i'm sorry if i offended you, you're not going to accept that. >> i think that's a signal to on the fringes to still support her which has been a bit of her strategy remembering in the election chris mcdaniel who is far to the right of her, she's trying to win over his supporters. get his supporters to vote for her on tuesday which has ban lot of her strategy. >> thank you very much. the midterms end for you next week, we promise. thanks. up next, putin
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while he's also at the g-20, again preparing he is expected to meet with vladimir putin and wonder what they'll talk about. joining me former national security counsel senior director and spokesperson ned price is also an msnbc security analyst. ridiculous to say i have been preparing my whole life for a meeting and he said that for the debates and he says it all the time. kind of a thing you say as a joke when they say, are you red a to, i don't know, go to the movies and you say, of course, i'm ready. i have been preparing my whole life. it's so dumb. what is he talking about? >> it absolutely is. this is snow joke. you may recall just before president trump met with kim jong-un of north korea in june of this year, he said the same thing. i don't need to prepare, i have been preparing my whole life. not only has north korea failed to make any demonstrative steps
towards that denuclearization. we actually learned about advancements to their program and aspects to their nuclear program we did not know before. this does not bode well for how president trump will handle the bilateral relationship we have and that is our relationship with beijing when he meets with xi in the coming weeks. >> what is at stake with xi? >> what is at stake is a trade war and potentially devastating trade war. on january 1st, tariffs on more than $200 billion worth of chinese goods are set to increase. if that happens, american consumers and suppliers in this country are set to bear the burden of that. it's not only our economy. it's not only the chinese economy, but if this trade war escalates even further, there could be shockwaves across the global economy. frankly as we see the market movements over the past few days, that is pretty much the last thing that we need for our
financial stability. >> the other two folks putin and mbs. our cia. it has been reported has concluded murder jamal khashoggi. what might happen with those two meetings? >> it's notable that he's speaking of meeting with these three individuals. you don't hear a lot of democratic liberals in that bunch. i think if he meets, it will have to be an opportunity to really hammer home what he has failed to do so far. it it's to hold him to account and exact concessions from what it appears the cia knows with high confidence. that he ordered this brutal murder of jamal khashoggi. if he doesn't, not only a slap in the face, but to democratic leaders around the world just as autocrats and strong man,
including people like putin, will be cheering from the sidelines if those two embrace and are all smiles and there's no talk of significant, tremendous repercussions. >> no talks of repercussions from the president, congress feels differently. ned price, thank you so much. >> thanks. if you, yes you, have dreamed about traveling to space but don't have what it takes, the right stuff to become an astronaut, hang tight. we have one more thing in just a moment. if he'd taken tylenol, he'd be stopping for more pills right now. only aleve has the strength to stop tough pain for up to 12 hours with just one pill. aleve. all day strong.
nch one more thing before we go. nasa is thinking about getting into the space for profit game. selling flights to the final frontier. if nasa goes through with it, they join those who have been working on civilian space travel for years. and it would be a huge shift for the agency, which is known to usually play it by the book. in fact, there has not been a civilian onboard the nasa mission since the challenger explosion in 1986. this is not just rumor or speculation, this could actually happen. proposals for civilian shuttles have been approved by nasa's advisory subcommittee, but it still has to pass the full committee and nasa administrator. while you do not have to be an astronaut to get onboard, you do
need to be really rich. i mean really rich. richie, rich rich are expected to cost millions of dollars and i'm looking at you, mike bloomberg, taylor swift, judge judy. you guys could go. i would go. those millions could help boost nasa's revenue and also help the space station stay afloat financially. the white house plans to end direct funding to the iss by 2025, turning it over to a commercial entity instead. ali velshi if i go into our boss' office and say i need a massive raise, do you think i would get it so i could get on a space flight? >> i think it's cool. not just that it is cool, but the idea that people think it's cool is important. spending on these kind of things is only relevant. a lot of people say that's irrelevant stuff. when it leads to space
inventions and a lot of thee ine oriented around space because it's a frontier that is bigger than what we normally think about. >> imagine the instagra. >> that's the other point. >> i like your stuff. it's better. >> it's all good. can you imagine talking about all that interesting stuff as opposed to what we are about to do, fact check. >> so much fun. >> one day we made the decision to follow the launch of that space-x rocket instead of running the daily briefing, what a popular choice. >> i'm done. >> i feel like you've been on tv every other. >> i'm done after this and if you let me go now, i can leave. >> you can get out of here right now. you just can't cross in front of that picture because you're trapped in the studio until i allow pictures on tv. have a great afternoon. good afternoon, i'm