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they give you at rice university. president obama gets tonight's last word. "the 11th hour with brian williams" starts now. the breaking news tonight is from the "new york times." paul manafort's lawyers have been passing information on to trump's lawyers after manafort agreed to work for the feds. the reporter who broke the story standing by. plus the "washington post" has landed an exclusive interview with president trump where he doesn't deny talking to his new acting a.g. matt whitaker about the russia investigation. one of the reporters in the oval office for that today also standing by for us tonight. and the last senate race of 2018. results from election night in mississippi, steve kornacki at the big board as "the 11th hour" gets underway on a busy tuesday night. well, good evening once again from our nbc headquarters here in new york. this has been an eventful day,
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627 of the trump administration. toept tonight we begin with breaking news, the first of which from the "new york times." michael schmidt is standing by with a story entitled "manafort's lawyer said to brief trump attorneys on what he told mueller. manafort's lawyer, quote, reportedly briefed president trump's lawyers on his client's discussions with federal investigators after mr. manafort agreed to cooperate with the special counsel, according to one of mr. trump's lawyers and two other people familiar with the conversations. the arrangement was highly unusual and inflamed tensions with mr. mueller's office when
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prosecutors discovered it after mr. manafort began cooperating two months ago, the people said. rudolph giuliani, one of the president's personal lawyers, acknowledged the arrangement on tuesday and defended it as a source of valuable insights into the special counsel's inquiry and where it was headed. this news comes just one day after we learned the special counsel has scrapped manafort's plea agreement because they say manafort has been lying to the feds. this report comes just hours after manafort vigorously denied a report from the british newspaper "the guardian," that said he met with wikileaks founder julian assange several times, including in march 2016, right around when manafort would join the trump campaign. that brings us to tonight's other major piece of new reporting, broken by nbc news. mueller's team has obtained e-mail communications from august of 2016 between the conservative author and conspiracy theorist jerome corsi
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on the left, and trump adviser and long-time friend roger stone, concerning the wikileaks e-mails stolen from the clinton campaign. these e-mails showed up in a draft court filing from mueller's team to jerome corsi's lawyer. according to court papers, corsi told investigators that an associate identified by corsi as roger stone asked him in the summer of 2016 to get in touch with an organization identified by corsi about wikileaks about unrelated materials to the campaign. corsi told mueller he denied the request, but corsi's team said that wasn't true. corsi passed it on to someone in london and apparently did to stone saying wikileaks would release it in 2016.
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one interesting note about that court document, it says the person assumed to be roger stone who asked corsi to contact wikileaks was someone who corsi, quote, understood to be in regular contact with senior members of the trump campaign, including with donald j. trump. the collusion of trump by name infuriated trump's legal team, which obtained a copy of the draft the week before thanksgiving. according to giuliani, it's gratuitous. it's not necessary. if you read it out of context, it creates a misimpression that we were in contact with the president at this critical time, and i believe that was done deliberately. a spoke msman for mueller did n immediately reply for comment. the word that manafort's lawyers were talking to trump's lawyers
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helped to explain an angry outburst from trump exactly one week before thanksgiving that we covered on this broadcast. it included this language, and we quote, the inner workings of the mueller investigation are a total mess. they have found no collusion and have gone absolutely nuts. they are screaming and shouting at people, horribly threatening them to come up with the answers they want. the president is also speaking out tonight about mueller in a new interview with the "washington post." two post reporters, josh dossey and phil rucker, sat down with the president in the oval office. here's what he had to say when asked if he'll try to stop the russia investigation. quote, the mueller investigation is what it is. it just goes on and on and on, trump said. when pressed is whether he would commit to letting the probe continue until its conclusion, he stopped short of making an explicit pledge. this question has been asked about me now for almost two years, the president said, at which point counselor kellyanne
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conway chimed in, a thousand times. trump continued, and in the meantime he's still there. i have no intention of doing anything. well, let's bring in our lead-off panel on this tuesday night, michael schmidt, pulitzer prize-winning reporters and one of the by-lines on this latest story from the "new york times." philip rucker, bureaucrat from the "washington post" who interviewed the president the other day, and frank faluzzi, investigator for counter-intelligence who am the past has worked for and with robert mueller. robert, i'd like to begin with you. what information, if any, was shared by mueller to trump within the immediate yamediariec lawyers, and how did he take it and weaponize it, my word not
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yours? >> the most specific thing we learned about this is mueller's investigators led by andrew weissman were pressuring manafort -- this is according to manafort's lawyers -- to tell them what he knew about the 2016 trump tower meeting and what specifically the president knew. did the president know that his son was going to be meeting with russians who are offering dirt on hillary clinton and what did the president know about it afterwards? giuliani says that they hammered on manafort about this. manafort, who was in solitary confinement, was being brought out for these interviews every few days with weissman. weissman, giuliani alleges, was pushing manafort to essentially lie and say things that manafort said were not true. now, this is an allegation from giuliani, but this has given and sort of opened up a new front for the trump legal team, which has launched new attacks now on
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mueller. giuliani saying to us tonight that mueller was not overseeing weissman properly, that weissman needs adult supervision. >> now, michael, in the li nrlif federal prosecutors, when they give in, they say they've decided to join the home team or team usa. here's why i say that. was there any language that barred manafort from sharing this with team trump, or was it just considered such an o outlandish thing that one would do while working for the feds they didn't have to put it in writing? >> there's nothing we know of in the agreement or legally that would have stopped this. but it's a pretty interesting phenomenona, because there is essentially two people in the world who would control paul manafort's fate. one of them was mueller who, if
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he thought manafort had cooperated a lot, could go to a judge and ask for a more lenient sentence. the other person is donald trump who has the power to pardon him or commute his sentence. and the question is, why was it that manafort was not telling the truth to mueller's investigators? was this a simple disagreement of facts? i saw something one way, you saw it another? or was there something else going on here. >> michael, i have one more for you and then we have a couple ravenous journalists waiting to get in line. what did they learn vis-a-vis what they had learned about the status of the mueller investigation? >> about two months ago, trump was ready to send his responses to mueller after nearly a year trying to negotiate about an interview. what happened was three things
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came together. one, they learned about the language in the course of pleas. there was an unsealing of a document in virginia saying assange was part of this. this led the trump team to put on the brakes and say, hey, we're not going to send in our responses just yet. the president is demanding a meeting with the justice department and with mueller's team. they aired their concerns and mueller's team said, look, we're not out to get you, we're not plotting getting you, and the president finally sent his most recently. >> your interview was in the oval office. the transcript was fascinating. he went on his head of the federal reserve.
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he relitigated the sweeping and cleaning of the forest floors and said the campaign has particularly dirty forest floors. then you got to mueller and whitaker, and tell our viewers what happened then? did it tighten up? >> he did, brian. one of the first questions we asked in the interview, what's the president's reaction to the news -- i guess it was just yesterday that mueller's prosecutors, any of the investiga investigate. if he knew they would violate the plea, and he spoke off the record but repeatedly said he does not want to insert himself into this discussion about man fort and mueller. that is rather uncharacteristic of him, because you know he's been the president who said what he believes when asked.
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he did talk a little bit about mueller, now that he's changed the leadership at the justice department with the new acting. that he would allow miger to continue brings, but the investigation still goes on and on and on and he has no intention right now to do anything to stop it. we asked matt whitaker, who had briefed him on the status of the mueller investigation, and he said, look, i don't talk regularly with matt whitaker, but he would not deny that they had ever discussed the russian probe or the state. >> you told producers tonight that man fort could turn out to be a triple agent. after our kids. >> i want to find it as quickly
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as a person is. manafort, in my mind, is working for russia. he's pretended to work for trump. . what is he working on other than himself? he's a con man. he was playing three sides against the middle, and i think ultimately he is going to be the loseer here. imagine that the president, in drafting his written responses to mueller, was relying on manafort's assertions. so manafort saying, i think they've got this wrong. they haven't. so they need to ask him to. manafort. that would be an intriguing
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scenario. >> that's intriguing to trump's lawyers, is that in and of itself potentially a lack of obstruction of justice? >> well, the legal here is always, "it depends." it depends on what the lawyers were thinking when they shared this information, and if this is a two-way sharing, brian, then i feel very comfortable saying, we're looking at an oukz. . the trump keem went back and said, do this. save this next time they question you. . we don't know the answer to this. manafort's attorney has told
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him. wouldn't it be something if manafort were to say, i said, look at what my attorney decided to do with trump. finally the story we were going to lead the "new york times" on. and the meeting between corsi and stone, what do you think is happening there? >> if you read the e-mails between corsi and stone, you are reading discussions. corsi: the boxes are in london. should we even be talking about cretico on h. >> now, kim, the rest of us have to go on covering the ongoing
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story that is the center. very rarely is it to have a briefing with sarah huckabee sanders. i'm going to get her answer and get your response on the other side. >> we are certain the president was involved in no wrongdoing, was not part of any collusion. kim, to our ears, that was a first. that's different, that's a change, and that is the first start of kind of distancing from others who may be in your orbit. are we correct about that? >> i think so. it was a very carefully worded statement about this given all these recent developments we were talking about which were happening in realtime to do exactly that, distance the president from anything that was going on. you know, in the past it was,
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there was no collusion, nobody talked to russia. now it's the president did not do any wrongdoing, sort of changing what could likely be coming which are more indictments based on all the people we have been talking about. and also this affirmance that the president has no intention of stopping this investigation and he had many chances to do that, and he hasn't done it. it's almost verbatim to what the president said to phil earlier today. so you can really tell that the white house is trying to carefully craft its reaction, carefully craft its statements aside from the president's twitter feed, of course, which has been an indication that the president is very concerned about what's happening in the mueller probe. this. his visit is ramping up, but at the same time they're afraid of not saying anything that could be more exculpatory than the
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evidence the investigators really have. >> things are getting interesting about this presidency and our long-term newscast. we ask them to stick around with us after this next break. we'll get a look at the senate race of 2018. the numbers coming in tonight from mississippi. we'll go to steve kornacki at the big board. still later this hour after yesterday's punishing news from a great american car maker, the president threatens to punish the car maker back. "the 11th hour" just getting started on this busy tuesday night. d. because each job in energy creates many more in this town.
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here's what's happening. we have these twin breaking stories starting us off tonight. our panel is standing by because there is a lot more to talk about on that, but i wanted to at least get the headlines from tonight's senate race, the last of 2018, in mississippi before we go to steve kornacki for all of the numbers later in this hour. let's at least get the headlines from him. cindy hyde-smith versus the democrat, mike espy, our commentator covering it all tonight. hi, steve. >> cindy hyde-smith the republican, still a little vote coming in. heavy black areas along the mississippi river still coming in late. eight points may be a little bit less will be the final margin of
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this thing. from the democrats' standpoint, they'll say they've never been this close. you have to go back to 1988 to see if things were this substantial. they did better -- deso to county. a 10-foot jump here. look at madison county, jacksonville. i think there are just not enough suburban areas in mississippi for democrats. this is a heavily ruraled state, we -- particularly the northeastern side of the patient right there. trump rallies support for as i understand i hyde-smith tonight. >> we're coming back to you later. for now more with our panel,
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michael schmidt, philip rucker, michael adkins, phillip faluzi. there is a paper that comes roaring back, becomes so important, and that is that. the notion that she was credence, perhaps, to a kmu tags. remind us what you reported then, why it's so porpt right now. >> there was a discussion last year between toud and lawyers for ricky. he pled guilty to making false statements in this investigation, and obviously manafort. that is something mueller has been looking at himself. mueller looking at the question of why is it that the lawyer was
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offering a pardon? why was he discussing a pardon? it was among the 49 questions that mueller wanted to ask the president. he had fallen into the obstruction bucket so that was not in the responses that the president sent just a few weeks ago. those were looming over russia. it conditions to a part in it, what would the parent's thout on this. and if he used that authority. for part of it people have the. . how did it center around that portion of the discussion? >> it was interesting, brian. as you know, has been so unwilling to really challenge.
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but we asked him about the. the ships and the kroous and trump said, look, i don't like that aggression at all, that it should be a call to americans. he was anticipating getting a briefing tonight tonight from his national security team and said he was considering to said i would agree it on marcus. trump said he'll have to see what that briefing from his team is like tonight but that he is considering, he is threatening, cancelling that meeting with putin as some sort of retaliati retaliation. >> since you've worked with robert mueller, why.
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corsi, they lay the document. does sh. how is mueller going to. how do you feel about that when he's still talking to his first team. >> clearly the president has surrounded himself with people in a like it. there was a surprise and there might even be some strot, a no one vasz. long-time lawyers are representing these targets and
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that trust is violated. this is not a healthy situation. mueller doesn't express anger openly and in a very dramatic fashion, but you understand when he's very, very upset. his team knows that he's likely upset by this, and they have a strategy to deal with. >> we keep mentioning a wounded u.s. marine combat veteran from the vietnam war. kim, we waited almost a year for the president to compete what we've been calling the take-home test. now we know he has submitted them on the during that process. it makes for an interesting p. what they had been told by the
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mueller team. a. and we're hearing more information about what corsi and roger stone may have done as well. all of these are little pieces that the mueller's team has been putting together for two wars now trying to. and finding out whether that is occlusion and obstruction. judging from his twitter feed, he is. we'll have to wait and see exactly what comes out of it. >>. i appreciate you guys coming out and staying extra late to talk about all we had to talk about. coming up, the president's national security adviser explains why he won't be listening to a key piece of audio evidence in the murder of
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we're back, and as we mentioned, the president has threatened to cancel this upcoming meeting with putin over the meeting at a summit in argentina. the cancellation would be a way of protesting the capture of ukranian ships in the black sea by russia on sunday. the president told the "washington post" today he's
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waiting for a full report on the situation before deciding, quote, maybe i won't have the meeting, maybe i won't even have the meeting. i don't like that aggression. earlier national security adviser john bolton told reporters there is a full agenda for the meeting. >> what do you expect to be on the agenda for the president's meeting with putin? >> well, i think all of the issues that we have, on security issues, on arms control issues, on regional issues including the middle east, i think it will be a full agenda. i think it will be a continuation of their discussion in helsinke. >> as we say, what could go wrong? with us to talk about it, malcolm nance. his latest book, "the plot to destroy democracy." the author, our own analyst of
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the teams with nothing short of 35 years working in counter-terrorism. so malcolm, i have a three-part question to answer. there is no doubt here. president trump will meet with vladimir put. he just can't help himself. he loves to surround himself with autocrats, and he will listen carefully to vladimir putin and his protestation about killing at the meal of viren doffs and will completely agree with the president. should he meet?
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no, they contracted. he appears to have been mentored by vladimir putin, and he will do it all that makes him happy at the g-20 sum might. this is part of the putin treasures so much about the air. weaken i.c.e. >> well, it is certainly part of stra teenl i can. even the braking news that you had on at the top of the hur, had you in you. paul manafort may have actually been an agent of the kremlin directly, injected in there to work with wikileaks to essentially steal an learn
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selection, put in an obsequious. i wanted this to be a conspiracy theory, it's listening to job bolton. he has not listened to the kashoki type haven't. >> i haven't risenned to us, i guess i should ask you, what do you think he should. >> how many people in this room speak arabic? . if they were speaking korean, i
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wouldn't leern for. >> so you dant. everybody uhre back, what are you going to get on and they've given us the substance of what's in it. i'll hear television say, what about. we're wanting to hear at least the atmospherics and, whether or not there is a language -- you're absolutely right. i've spent a lot of time in secret aelgs of, but on other languages in mission i was
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area you represent. that's a very good feeling. >> the president repeatedly talked about bringing manufacturing jobs back to the u.s. now one day after gm announced the closing of five of their american plants, including michigan and ohio, trump is fighting back. in an interview with the "washington post" today, he criticized the federal reserve saying its policies are damaging the economy. and earlier in the day, trump threatened to cut gm subsidies as punishment, writing, quote, the u.s. saved general motors and this is the thanks we get. we are now looking at cutting all gm subsidies, including for electric cars. here to talk about all of it, and it's a tall order, but we've called upon amy stoddard, editor and associate editor at "real clear politics." thank you for joining us. >> thank you for having me. >> i'm a proud owner and
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chevrolet driver, but when you say you need parts, imagine how many people are shopping with lighter wallets this christmas season. if mary berra, the very effective gm, a tough job here, what do you think she would say to the president on why they're closing these plants? >> she said they're adapting to the times and they're doing what the company is expected to do to keep afloat, and that they wish that things, you know, hadn't turned out this way. everybody understands that in a place like lord's town, that plant for every job -- for every gm employee working there, there is only like five, six, seven jobs created in sustaining that local economy. everyone has talked about this since the announcement that's
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local has admitted that this will be just devastating. so president trump is very politically intuitive and he knows this is an incredible potential hit politically to him in ohio in 2020, particularly because of all those promises that he made in that area, in youngstown and around that area, he has spoken to those very people and said, we're going to fill these factories back up, and if not, we're going to knock them down and they're barrel. huge challenge by trying to retaliate against gm. first of all, he can't take away those tax credits for fully electric cars without the congress. maybe he's gotten on the phone with them today and said, we're bringing a lot of pressure. but the idea -- what he always likes to do is tell his voters that he can control everything. i alone can fix it. even when it's something he
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can't control. then he has to have a punching bag and. >> and he went after them in this interview, saying he couldn't see the littlest big thing around him. >> what do you see happening? >> he wants what he wants and he's not ready to say these are global stamgss. the effects of the tax policy that he helped house in congress, you want the bumper sticker way to blame. >> quick final question, and that is nancy pelosi, has a closed door vote tomorrow which many bleem with the speaker house for the second time.
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>> what happened to that freshman team. maybe they. >> that's interesting bung. they want them to hold onto their seats in 2020 and it's going to be hard. tactically she probably ends up -- doesn't punish them in the way that they. a lot of people whavr. they might vote against her in a secret ballot tomorrow. they won't do it on the floor. we never saw anment in the power base and that person never materialized and that's why
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she'll have this job again. >> we always learn more with a visit. thank you very much. it's been three weeks, remember, for the midterms. the midterms still don't want anyone with por me. stove kornacki after this. the mercedes-benz winter event is back, and you won't want to stop for anything else. lease the gla 250 for $359 a month at your local mercedes-benz dealer. mercedes-benz. the best or nothing.
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so, we have really these two political headlines in the midterms, a record raw vote for all time for the democrats for a midterm. in the senate, things got really hard tonight for democrats to block things like federal judge nominees because of mississippi. steve kornacki at the big board with all of it. hey, steve. >> hey, brian. yeah, so, with mississippi, they are still counting the final votes and the final outstanding counties. once all of that is done and it is finally official, 100%, we will be done with all the senate races this year, so, a complete at where the senate stands. you can see, if you have a decimal point here on the screen, basically, this is looking like about a seven-point
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win tonight for cindy hyde-smith. maybe a little bit more over mike espy. again, the closest democrats have been many mississippi since 1988. the last time they got one to single digits in a senate race. but this is a loss for the democrats tonight. we were showing you earlier, look, strong support for mike espy in the heavily black counties of the delta, along the mississippi river. also strides for democrats. this is a story we saw nationally. we saw it across the south. we did see it in parts of mississippi tonight. suburbs of memphis. desoto county, one of the largest counties in the state, you did see a ten-point jump there for espy from how hillary clinton did just two years ago in this state. so, that speaks to that democratic formula of strong non-white support. then trying to flip those sort of white college-educated professionals. part of mississippi, they did that tonight, just not enough parts like that in mississippi. residual strength for hyde-smith in the white rural areas.
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democrats have been struggling with voters in that part of the country. the senate picture now complete, as a result of mississippi, it means when all is said and done, democrats end up with 47, republicans end up with 53. remember, start of the campaign, it was 51-49, so, republicans do gain two on that front. quickly, we end on the house, because guess what? the house is not over yet. there remains one uncalled race here, see if i can pull it up on the screen. >> lower right hand screen -- >> there you go, and i can get it right there. that's the wrong district. the 21st district of california. from fresno to bakersfield. t.j. cox the democrat leading. we think there's between 1,000 and 5,000 votes left to be counted here. we're not sure when they'll drop, but if cox, the democrat, hangs on, that is a net gain for democrats of 40 seats even in the house if that holds. >> unbelievable that we're still at it. steve kornacki, thank you for all of it. and a last word for us when we kwom right back.
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last thing before we go here tonight, a quick check of the clock and calendar shows that here on the east coast, it is two minutes from giving way to wednesday. on the west coast, you have hours yet to go until tuesday's gone. the day is important because this is giving tuesday. a few years back, the good folks at the landmark new york cultural center, the 92nd street y, launched the idea of giving tuesday to ingrain in people the notion of charity and giving jen losly to nonprofits, and the idea was that after black friday, after cyber monday, giving tuesday would be well-timed. it brought in $10 million that first year, back in 2012, it may easily exceed $300 million this year. of course, charity is personal. it's your money. yours to decide whethre it goes. just under this one roof, among our network family members, we
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all support diverse causes. the host of the last hour, lawrence o'donnell, delivers school desks to students in malawi. in my family, we support one cause, and it's called horizons national, and nonprofit student enrichment program designed to help kids overcome education inequality and income inequality. there are also a number of very good charity researchers and recommenders on the web, but as we say, it's personal. and so, in the spirit of today's event, we have heard from dr. christine blasey ford. she had those huge security costs associated with her kavanaugh testimony and the resulting death threats. a go fund me page raised nearly $650,000 and even after her family was forced to relocate, she went ahead and expressed her gratitude for the donations and has closed the account. she says the money she did not need for her security will go
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back to charity to support trauma survivors. again, because it's personal. so, thanks for being charitable this time of year and all year long. that is our broadcast on this tuesday night. thank you for being here with us. good night from nbc news headquarters here in new york. it is good to be back with you. so, there's a lot going on in the news right now. we've changed up our show like 17 times in the last hour and a half. one of the things we are watching tonight, which is not necessarily on the national radar in a big way yet, but it's turning out that a very controversial trump judicial nominee may be hitting some turbulence tonight, and that is interesting on its own terms. it may also b

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