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leaders after the killing of jamal khashoggi. the other at the epicenter of a series of issues facing the united states. so interesting moment there, many more to come undoubtedly. chris, i want to thank you for sitting in for me in new york. i'll turn it over for the next hour, to my colleague craig melvin also at msnbc headquarters. >> good to see you, craig melvin here, msnbc headquarters in new york city. mueller's long shadow, president trump side by side with world leaders in argentina right now. he is set to speak in this hour, but the betrayal of his former personal attorney and fixer now helping robert mueller hangs over his every move. plus, individual one, that's the code name for the president in the michael cohen case. the biggest questions for the white house, what now? and who else from the president's inner circle is on robert mueller's list and taking charge? in 34 days democrats will take
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control of the house intel committee after months of being blocked at every turn by republicans. i'll ask a key dplemocrat how things will be different come january. we'll get to that in a moment. we start in buenos aires, site of the g20 meeting of world leaders. president trump and other heads of state are at this working luncheon. on the agenda trade, infrastructure, geopolitical fights. president trump's mind appears to be more concerned with the mueller investigation right now. moments ago the white house issuing a statement about the quote, unquote russian witch hunt, and their canceled meeting with vladimir putin while in buenos aires. president trump also decried the witch hunt on twitter. this morning nbc news cameras caught his former personal attorney michael cohen exiting his apartment. this is this morning here in new york city. on thursday trump said that cohen was lying and a new guilty plea cohen says the then
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candidate was trying to do business with putin up until the point news first broke that russia had haggcked the dnc. let's start with geoff bennett traveling with the president. there seems to be a lot of unfinished mueller business while the white house is there in argentina? >> reporter: you're right about that. it appears president trump is trying to clear the smoke of suspicion that has followed him all the way here to argentina. the president, again, making the case trying to make the argument that the fact that his trump organization had business dealings with russia during the 2016 campaign the president says was entirely legal, entirely above board, and he's making the additional argument that it doesn't really matter because the meetings never resulted in a project. here's the tweet the president sent out around 7:00 a.m. local. the president says this, oh, i get it, i'm a very good developer, happily living my life when i see our country going in the wrong direction to put it mildly, against all odds i decide to run for president and continue to run my business.
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very legal and very cool. talked about it on the campaign trail, lightly looked at doing a building somewhere in russia. put up zero money, zero guarantees, and didn't do the project. the president ends that series of tweets with witch hunt. that raises the question, if it was lightly looked at, why did the president have his personal lawyer and fixer at the time michael cohen reach out directly to the kremlin, and if it was lightly looked at and no big deal why did the president spend the last three years trying to cover it up? >> this meeting between trump and putin we found out this time yesterday that the white house was scrapping it. do we know for sure there is going to be no meeting at all? >> reporter: it appears that way because, look, the russians met president trump's announcement that this meeting between him and putin would be scrapped. they said, look, while there might not be a formal sit-down, the two men would meet on their feet, that was the phrase they used alluding to an informal
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meeting. the white house put out a further statement saying no such thing would happen and sarah sanders followed that up with this additional statement. she says the russian witch hunt hoax, which is hopefully now nearing an end is doing very well. unfortunately it probably does undermine our relationship with russia. the reason for our canceled meeting is ukraine. hopefully that will be resolved soon so that productive conversations can begin. the white house there ruling out a formal sit-down, an informal pull-aside. you can't rule out the fact that these two men might have something of an interaction here at the g20. >> there is this video that's starting to get a lot of attention. hallie showed it a few moments ago. i want to play it again and describe it for our listeners on sirius satellite radio. you've got saudi arabia's crown prince mohammed bin salman and vladimir putin engaged in what can only be described as quite the bro shake. all smiles both of them. >> yeah. >> did you get -- did you see this live or no?
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>> reporter: say that again? >> did you see it live, or were you watching it just like us on the play back? >> reporter: we did watch it live. for people listening on sirius radio and can't see this image, you see putin and the crown prince next to each other here at the first official meeting of the g20. they go up to each other. they shake hands. they're all smiles. they put each other on the back. these two men, these two pariahs on the world stage sitting side by side here. we know president trump obviously isn't scheduled to have a formal meeting with vladimir putin. we understand he's also not scheduled to have any sort of official interaction with the crown prince. of course that was big question heading into this summit, what kind of interaction, if at all the president would have with either of these two men. >> stick around if you can. i want to bring in richard -- ned price former spokesman for the nsc, both men msnbc analysts. caught you out of the corner of my eye watching that play out as well.
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did we know that the two of them were so chummy? >> well, they probably didn't know each other that they were so chummy. mohammed bin salman who looked like the aggressor there because he wants to get a bro handshake with putin was kind of forcing the issue, but it is as geoff said, it's sort of like the pariah's corner, and mbs as he's known is trying to look for some kind of verification on the world stage that he's not a murderer. >> michael cohen, that development, how much do we surprise it is weighing on the president as he meets with other world leaders there in buenos aires? >> i don't know how much it's weighing on the president, but obviously world leaders watch the news and read the papers. the g20 is more of a place where once upon a time world leaders looked for some help from the u.s. and maybe work out some agreement. now these world leaders are looking not to get hit but the out of control ship of state of the united states. i mean, they don't want to be involved with trump on the world stage in a way once upon a time
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world leaders wanted to be around an american president because they don't know how tth going to get sideswiped. >> quote, people close to the president warn that trump is even more unpredictable when he's angry raising the possibility that he could go way off script here. what are you expecting to see and hear from our president there in buenos aires, ned? >> unpredictability is the name of the game with this president, craig. look, i mean, it doesn't take a heavy handed action by the mueller team in order for the president to be in a mood like this when he travels overseas. it's usually the norm for him to go to gatherings like this and to sulk and then to engage after the fact in twitter tirades or sometimes in person statements targeting some of his global counter parts. just look at what happened the last time president trump attended a meeting like this. the g7 in canada earlier this year over the summer. he refused to sign on to the final statement. he engaged in a standoff with
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some of america's closest traditional allies, including the french, the germans and the canadians and then on air force one on his way to meet kim jong-un himself certainly no democrat. president trump engaged in a twitter battle with justin trudeau of canada. i certainly wouldn't be surprised if we see a reprisal of this. it seems to be what president trump likes to do when he meets with some of his global counter parts. >> you mentioned our neighbors to the north, the canadian prime minister. he also had a bit of a nudge for president trump today as well. here's part of what prime minister trudeau said. >> as i discussed with president trump a few days ago, the recent plant closures by general motors, which affects thousands of canadian and american workers and their families are a heavy blow. and donald, it's all the more reason why we need to keep working to remove the tariffs on steel and aluminum between our countries. >> and you can tell by the
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president's body language there, geoff bennett that he did not appear to be pleased that mr. trudeau decided to bring it up there. >> reporter: yeah, and that's right. even though there was this ceremonial signing of the usmca, canada continues to negotiate with the u.s. so that trump will exempt canada and mexico from these steel and aluminum tariffs, and you saw there justin trudeau use the fact that gm had just laid off these workers here in the states and in canada to make his point. these tariffs are something that certainly has infuriated canadians. i also thought it was noteworthy earlier today, justin trudeau never once referred to this trade agreement as usmca. he's upset about the fact that canada has the bottom billing there. he kept referring to it as the new north american free trade agreement. again, clearly a tense relationship between the two men over this particular issue, craig. >> richard, you've been involved in a lot of the behind the
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scenes planning for events like this. what's the calculus for the president in determining who he is seen being taken -- who he's seen taking a picture with publicly, who he's seen avoiding. what is the calculus? >> there's usually a tremendous amount of preparation for this, and there's a lot of choreography. with trump they don't do it so much. when trump canceled these formal meetings with world leaders, any other administration there would have been planning for months and months on that, and you can't cancel it. even these pull-asides, which is the technical name for it, those also have pages and pages of preparation. the problem is trump doesn't prepare, and he doesn't look at his talking points. that's why world leaders are often afraid to meet with him. they have no idea what he's going to say. >> or what he might tweet after the meeting. >> yeah. >> richard sting l always enjoy having you, ned price, thank you. safe travels geoff bennett. trump on the world stage, he is going to speak live shoulder to shoulder with the prime minister of japan, shinzo abe.
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also taking charge, a few hours from now, a judge is going to rule on whether former fbi director jim comey must testify before the house intelligence committee. republicans subpoenaed him, but will it matter if the legal fight carries on past the time the gop is actually in power? and individual 1, that is how the president is described in the cohen case. what did michael cohen reveal in some 70 hours of testimony to robert mueller? for pneumococcal pneumonia - a potentially serious bacterial lung disease that can disrupt your life for weeks. in severe cases, pneumococcal pneumonia can put you in the hospital. it may take weeks to recover making you miss out on the things you enjoy most. just one dose of the prevnar 13® vaccine can help protect you from pneumococcal pneumonia. it's not a yearly shot. prevnar 13® is approved for adults to help prevent infections
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news just in that a federal judge has set a hearing for this afternoon on jim comey's request to block a subpoena from house republicans on the judiciary committee thrown out. i'm joined by congressman eric swalwell. congressman, always good to have you. >> thanks craig, of course. >> director comey has said he wants to testify in public. he tweeted yesterday as you're probably aware when filing let the american people watch. that tweet coming from mr. comey himself. will he get his wish? >> well, i hope that there is a way that the public sees this interview, and i don't know if that's, you know, by videotape or, you know, a live hearing, but i have been in these judiciary committee closed hearings where, you know, i've seen the way that they treat and badger and beat up witnesses and do it in a way that they wouldn't do it publicly, and
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then they selectively have leaked out information. but again, the bigger issue here, craig, is why in the world are we breaking the space/time continue continuum to go back in time and revisit the hillary clinton e-mails when we have the saudi arabia issue, the russia collusion issue and so many other issues about the rule of law? >> you serve in intelligence, perhaps you've heard michael cohen admitted that he lied to your committee. where do democrats in the house go from here come january when they take control? >> well, we also believe that sits in the house basement are pages of lies in the transcripts of witnesses who came before the house intelligence committee that we wanted to send to bob mueller, and adam schiff a number of times asked devin nunes to send those transcripts to be reviewed, and nunes blocked that every single time. item number one will be to get those transcripts to mueller, and then we want to fill in the blanks on the russia investigation, particularly as it relates to potential money laundering through the trump
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organization with russian money. >> pages of lies. those are the words you just used. who else do you think lied to that committee and about what? >> well, there's a number of witnesses who have amended their testimony to the house intelligence committee. roger stone is one of them, who has sent over an amendment, michael caputo is another who has updated his testimony, but craig, i think bob mueller should have those transcripts and also the president we have seen has used obstruction lies and witness tampering as a shield and a sword, as a shield to protect him from the mueller team getting closer and as a sword because those lies and obstruction and tampering delay the investigation, and when the investigation gets delayed, trump goes out there and says this is an endless witch hunt with no end in sight, and so that shield and sword is melting with the mueller investigation, and we think a new congress will make sure that's the case as well. >> senator ted cruz yesterday at george washington university had a harsh warning for you and your
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colleagues there in the lower chamber. he said in part, democrats have unleashed some of the angriest voices on the left. i think we're going to see two years of investigations and subpoenas and we may well see impeachment. how do you make sure that your committee's investigation isn't seen as this sort of ongoing partisan attack on the president? >> well, we're going to lead with opportunities to collaborate with republicans on infrastructure, the dream act, reducing the cost of prescription drugs, and also background checks on firearm purchases. those are issues that the president said he wanted to work on, but republicans never brought for a vote. we will also investigate where we must, craig, and the days of presidential immunity are over. there's no more free passes. where there's alarming conduct that crosses red lines and affects people at home and national security and domestic policy, the american people can be assured that we're going to hold this president to account. >> congressman eric swalwell, thanks for your time, enjoy the weekend, sir. >> thank you, you too. the president's long-time fixer now potentially his
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a day after president trump's former fixer lawyer went before a judge and admitted to lying to congress, attorneys for his former campaign chairman, paul manafort are in court after he apparently lied to special counsel bob mueller. we're still waiting on some details on those lies, alleged lies from manafort. we do know what cohen says he lied about, namely the president's efforts to build the trump tower in moscow. cohen telling the court, quote, i had asserted that all efforts concerning the project had ceased in january of 2016 when, in fact, they had continued through june of 2016. he later says i made these misstatements to be consistent with individual ones political messaging. so how significant is that? i'm joined right now by msnbc investigative reporter tom winter, former federal prosecutor glenn kirschner is also with me. tom, we know that individual number 1, according to these court documents donald trump. what else do we know? what new information do we have
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that's come out of that hearing from yesterday? >> new information from yesterday is that overnight in the process of yesterday, they've now essentially said, hey, we're going to take the hearing that we heard yesterday, the change of plea hearing, we're going to move that in that case over to the judge that michael cohen pled guilty to back in august so that when it comes time for sentencing, that will be december 12th, for what cohen already pled to back in august, that the case that he pled to yesterday, he's going to be sentenced on both of those cases. that's going to be december 12th. so michael cohen will know his fate as it relates to his sentencing on december 12th for both cases, which is interesting. that's a pretty quick time line, and so at that point we'll know exactly what michael cohen's penalty will be, whether or not he'll have to go to jail. one thing that came out of yesterday that didn't get a lot of attention because there was so much news that came out of that guilty plea yesterday is that prosecutors in new york are also going to send a note to the court detailing michael cohen's cooperation, so it's possible here that michael cohen who's
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looking at some not small amount of jail time coming out of his august guilty plea may see that further reduced there. that will be interesting to see. >> he may have struck quite the deal? >> yes, it worked out well for him. glenn, the president's name mostly kept out of the court proceedings surrounding trump aide's until cohen's guilty plea on thursday. tell us why individual 1 is so significant and what more do we know about that relationship based on the proceedings yesterday? >> well, sure, craig. you know, it's funny because when you read through the papers that were filed, the prosecutor sort of took pains to refer to individual 1 throughout. the president, i don't believe, was named anywhere in the papers, but then as i reviewed the transcript from yesterday's hearing, of course michael cohen stood up and said, let me be clear, i'm paraphrasing, individual 1 is the president of the united states, donald j. trump. in fact, he wanted to stand up and flex a little bit when he was saying that, but the judge
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said just go ahead and remain seated and talk into the mike k -- microphone. what i think is so consequential that may have gotten lost in the mix, it was reported that michael cohen appeared before the grand jury for 70 hours of testimony. can i just tell you that that is unheard of? as a prosecutor here in washington, d.c. i handled some of the biggest rico gang cases, and i think our most important witness might have spent seven hours before the grand jury. for michael cohen to have spent 70 hours testifying before the grand jury, you know, this is not the tip of the iceberg with respect to presidential possible misconduct. it's sort of the tip of the glacier. >> it does make you wonder. that was one of the things that stood out most to me, glenn, this idea that michael cohen would spend that much time with the attorneys for the special counsel's office. you also can't imagine that he's going to spend that much time just shooting the breeze. one would assume that if you're
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speaking to lawyers for 70 hours, you're talking about something? >> yeah, and what we now know based on the fact that he exposed the president to be a liar, and a liar to the american people when the president stood up over and over again and said i have no business dealings with russia. it turns out he was actually negotiating and had signed a letter of intent to move forward on a pretty substantial business deal with russia. so now that we know that the president has been caught in yet another lie, i think what we have to turn our attention to is everybody who testified before the senate intel committee and may very well have told the same lie, and craig, a partial list of those people include jeff sessions, kushner, manafort, don junior, roger stone, keith shiller, steve bannon, michael cohen and others, and i suspect -- and i think we've already heard some reporting -- that there may be now a number of criminal referrals by the senate to my old office, the
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united states attorney's office for the district of columbia to consider possible perjury charges if any and all of those other individuals testified falsely the way himichael cohen did. >> tom, we just heard from congressman eric swalwell a few moments ago who indicated that they were, in fact, going back over some of the testimony that was given to the house committee. how concerned should some of the aforementioned be? the sessions, the bannon, the stone, how concerned should they be about lying to congress? >> it's always a concern because it's a crime. even if you're not sworn before congress, lying to congress is a crime the same way as if you were an fbi agent and we were talking about something that was being investigated and i lied to you. it doesn't matter whether i'm under oath. the concern should be if they willfully lied. a very important thing was stated in michael cohen's plea agreement yesterday and what he al cuted in court. he said, look, i purposely did this. i lied for a reason.
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to be consistent with individual 1, the president's political messaging, and out of loyalty to him. it's not so much that you make a misstatement. if somebody asked him, oh, what were you doing on such and such date, well, you know, the best i remember it is i was going to the gym, and then i ran errands and did all sorts of different things. you know, that's really a gray area there, but if they find that one of these people knew about it or intentionally misled congress, intentionally told them something that wasn't true, then at that point there is real legal jeopardy for them, so as they go over these transcripts they're going to match that up with evidence, documents that congress has gotten, communications that congress has gotten, and then they may from that point make a referral to congress or other testimony. you know, if you have five people saying this is what we did on this day, you have one person saying something totally different, then at that point you're going to say, well, was this person purposely misleading us or lying to us. at that point they can make the referral to the special
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counsel's office and say look, it sure appears here based on what has been told to congress, that this person may have lied, and at that point the special counsel may choose to investigate and may choose to bring charges or at least confront somebody with these facts to see if they might be willing to cooperate. >> tom winter, thank you, glenn kirschner thanks to you as well, sir. do appreciate your time. it is a small, unorthodox school in louisiana that bragged of big results for black kids. in fact, i visited it just a few months ago. now the "new york times" reports its school leaders not only lied but they fostered a culture of fear. we're also keeping a very close eye on the president, the world stage set to come face-to-face with allies and adversaries alike. he is expected to speak in argentina roughly 15 minutes from now. we'll go there when it happens.
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tm landry, a school in small town louisiana has garnered national attention for sending its underprivileged students to elite colleges. a bomb shell report in the "new york times" says the school not only lied about the accomplishments of its students but also fostered a culture of fear with alleged physical and emotional abuse. i actually visited tm landry college prep a few months ago, and while the school's claims of helping once struggling low income students get into the top universities around the country seemed quite impressive and inspiring i was skeptical about the methods used, methods which are now under fire. we should note nbc has reached
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out to the landry and school officials but have not heard back. >> it was the feel-good video seen around the world. a 16-year-old student opening his harvard acceptance letter viewed more than 8 million times, but now after that video and others like it went viral, this school they all graduated from is under fire. an explosive "new york times" report released overnight, the tm landry school in louisiana facing accusations that it falsified transcripts, made up student accomplishments, and mined the worst stereotypes of black america to manufacturer up from hardship tales that it sold to ivy league schools hungry for diversity. we visited the school earlier this year where the student's growth seemed impressive, especially since the school's founders mike and tracy landry had no background in education. >> how did the founding of this school happen? >> when we went to the school with our youngest son, he was
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passing, had good grades, all that stuff. and he couldn't read. >> what grade was he in? >> first going into second. and he could not read. at that point mike was like, look i'm going to home school him. he took him to grade levels in the summer, and then we had other parents come and say, well, if you did that with him, can you help my child? >> but you weren't remotely qualified to teach these kids. >> exactly. >> why were these parents bringing them to your house? >> because when they came to visit, they saw the smiles on kids face, and the kids were saying i'm learning. it's hard and it's weird, but we're learning. >> but according to the times who interviewed 46 sources including parents current and former students, former teachers, and law enforcement agents, the kids were not learning. one concerned parent had his child assessed at the sylvan learning and found he was performing two grade levels behind, the parent telling "the
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times" the longer these kids stayed there the further behind they were. another student who graduated from tm landry and went to wesleyan says she froze and failed her first chemistry tests and walked out of a biology exam. she left the university earlier this month after she said she fell into a depression over her first semester struggles. "the times" reporting the kids were afraid of the landrys who fostered a culture of fear with physical and emotional abuse. students and teachers said students were forced to kneel on rice, rocks and hot pavement, and were choked, yelled at and berated according to court documents. >> there was this little kid, he was probably about 7 or 8, and he was acting up in class. mr. mike, he had took the kid by the neck and picked him up and body slammed him on the table. >> in an interview with "the times" they denied falsifying transcript and college applications. as for any allegation of abuse, michael landry only commit
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admits, oh, i yell a lot. a school once viewed by son-in-lsome as a dream come true for others is becoming a nightmare. >> joining me now professor and chairman for the center of african-american studies at princeton university and an msnbc contributor, dr. eddie glaude, always good to have you, sir. mike landry defended his actions saying in part, quote, if we got kids at harvard every day, i'm going to fight for harvard. why is it okay that asians get to harvard? why is it okay that white people get to harvard? i understand his point fully, but playing up things like an alcoholic or absentee father and a lack of food and shelter, what does that approach say about the best way to get black students into colleges like yours? >> well, first of all, i mean, that's an evasion of the question being posed to mr. landry. it seems to me that what he's doing is he's playing on a kind of soft bigotry where the idea
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of educating african-american children, craig, is often thought of as a philanthropic enterprise, as a charitable gift, and he's playing on that sentiment, and to the extent to which he's doing so, he's participating in what is generally a way which applicants across the country try to game the system. they're trying to figure out how to get their kids to stand out in these large applicant pools to these very elite spaces that have very low admission rates, even though they have extraordinary numbers of folks applying to them. so as folks try to game the system, landry figured out a way to game the system by appealing to a certain kind of liberal sentimentali sentimentality. what's interesting about sentimentality, craig, is that it always it leads to my mind and james baldwin's mind, functions as a mask for cruelty. and here we see its consequences in detail.
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>> you are a professor at one of this country's most elite universities, and i feel a bit awkward asking you the question as you sit in front of the prince toton logo, but does thi story to you reveal a problem with the system at large and how elite colleges and universities, how they attract, how they recruit specifically students of color? >> well, perhaps, but i think it also reveals something more systemic, craig, and that has something to do with the charter school movement. what we're seeing with this particularly grotesque example of the t.m. landry school, i think we could probably find across the country. if we look at the los angeles-based alliance, you know, public schools, their kids aren't doing as well in college once they get there. when we look at the kip schools, there was in its earlier days a question about whether or not their kids could succeed in college, and what are we finding? we're finding here, i think a
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colleague of mine at cornell university has written a wonderful book entitled "cutting schools, privatization, segregation, and the end of public education," and part of what she's arguing is that this move to privatization that is kind of bound up with the charter school movement has led to the very example that the t.m. landry school represents, a kind of depreciation, a degradation of education in this country, and so then you combine that with the kind of hypercompetitive nature of trying to get into elite schools like princeton, and you have folks just trying to game the system. so it's systemic, it's across the board, craig. >> one of the things i think that people have a hard time understanding is how it could be that students at this particular school, how they could get into the princetons and the harvards and the nyus, and the columbias, how they could get in, but according to a number of folks that "the times" talked to, how they could struggle so much at
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the colleges and universities. how could that be? >> well, look, every university is trying to build a class that reflects its values. it's trying to build a class that reflects the diversity of the country, and in some ways to build a class that will allow the students who attend institutions like princeton and harvard and yale to become fully rounded human beings. oftentimes we in the public conscience, we believe that to get admitted into princeton the only thing you have to do is graduate valedictorian or is salutatorian, come out with an almost perfect score on your a.c.t. or s.a.t., have an extraordinary gpa and be an extraordinary citizen. in some places that's true, but also there's -- you have musicians. you have athletes. you have spokes from urban spaces, rural places, trying to build a community because universities aren't just simply what happens in the classroom. they're residential spaces where students are educated into
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becoming the kinds of adults that they will be. so i can imagine admissions officers looking at applications, trying to take a risk, taking a bet, you know, making a bet on particular students. whether that student is from rural montana, craig, or whether the student is from newark, new jersey. and part of the that involves, i think, building a class that creates an educational environment that is kind of full and allows for a full er development of the student himself or herself. >> always enjoy it, sir, enjoy your weekend. we are watching for president trump to start speaking with the prime minister of japan. high stakes talks as the world watches. we're waiting for that to start, for him to take the stage. when it happens, we'll go there. for your brain. with an ingredient originally discovered in jellyfish, prevagen has been shown in clinical trials to improve short-term memory.
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he's also a cnbc contributor, and ned price is also back with me as well. mr. ingle i'll start with you. you are in downtown buenos aires, a few miles from where this summit is taking place. protesters expected to start marching soon. what do you see so far there? >> reporter: so, i can give you a little bit of the lay of the land here. i am with some of the protesters. they are still gathering. they are supposed to, according to the protesters' own schedule gather for about another hour and a half, and then they will begin marching toward the g20 site. we're about now as the crow flies just under five miles from the g20 site. what will happen is once they gather here and have a large enough quorum, they will start marching down this main highway, which is the central highway in central buenos aires, and the g20 site is just at the end of this road. if you continue this way, you hit the coastline, you hit the south atlantic, but the protesters aren't going to be
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able to get that far because just about a mile up this road, there is a police barricade. these are legal protests. the protesters have already agreed with the authorities on this exact marching route, and if they stick to the rules, if they stick to the agreed principl principles, they march along here. they reach that police barricade about a mile from here. they actually will then take a left and stop in front of the congress. if that all takes place, there shouldn't be any violence, but as often happens in these kind of demonstrations, there are groups that are uncontrollable. there are some people who want to have clashes and sometimes the police can overreact. so what will likely happen is the protesters will march about an hour and a half from now, get to that police barricade, ask then we'll see what happens. >> richard, precisely what is it that they're protesting? >> reporter: so there are 70 different groups taking part in this protest, and they are effectively protesting against the g20 as an institution of
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global order. the g20 represents, obviously, the 20 biggest industrial economies in the world. it represents about 80% of global trade, two-thirds of the world's2/3 of the world's population, and the protesters from environment issal a groups and worker rights group, and they say that the world not working properly, and they blame the people in that conference center nearly five miles from here for running a world that is not good for the environment and is not good for people who are living in condition of poverty. >> richard engel, for us there in buenos aires. and president trump is sitting down as you can see with the bilat with japan's prime minister shinzo abe. you is see the president flanked by the advisers mike pompeo, secretary of state, he is there -- can we listen in?
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>> i am not surprised at all. i would like to say that we have many things that we will be talking about, and in particular protectionism, and military-type, and also trade, and we are doing a lot of business with japan in trade, and the deficit is coming down, and it is a massive deficit between japan and the united states. it is coming down. [ speaking foreign language ] >> japan is buying many of our fighter jets and the f-35s and we appreciate it very much, and they are working with us to balance the deficit, because we have a deficit that is substantial with japan. we hope to be balancing it
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quickly. [ speaking foreign language ] >> in finishing, the two coun y countries are doing very well in many different ways, and our militaries are working together having to do with north korea and other factors, and very strong with the partnership, and the partnership has been quite extraordinary, and we will be together for a long time. i think that probably there is no time in our history where we are closer and i will be going to a tremendous event in japan and i was very honored to be invited the new emperor.
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[ speaking foreign language ] [ speaking foreign language ] >> translator: so once again from the outset, i would like to congratulate you on your historic victory in the elections in the united states.
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and as of now, as you rightly mentioned, the alliance between japan and the united states has become more robust than ever, and the mere fact that we are having another sum many mitt meeting on the margins of this g20 summit is actually the symbol of the robustness of our alliance. so how every time we see each other, we have a very candid discussion, and today, i look forward to having another candid discussion with you about the region including north korea and japan and u.s. economic
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relations and of course including the trade relations and other important topics. >> thank you very much, mr. prime minister. thank you all very much. thank you. thank you very much. gentleman there -- ukraine. no, we don't like what happened and we will look to sorting it out very soon when we speak with president putin, but with respect to what took place with the ships and the sailors, and that is the sole reason. thank you very much, everybody. we will be meeting with china, yes. we will be meeting tomorrow, and we have already spoken, and we are working very hard. we could make a deal, that would be good. i think that they want to, and i think that we'd like to, and we will see, but we will be meeting with president xi in a little while, but for the most part tomorrow, it is the big meeting. but in the meantime, people are
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working, and our staff is working, and we have a lot of very talented people working. and larry kudlow's representatives are dealing with them on a constant basis. there is some good signs. we will see what happens. thank you, thank you, good question. thank you very much, everybody. please please. all right. with that, they will shuttle the reporters out of the room there in buenos aires, but you saw president trump sitting with japan's prime minister abe, and he took a few questions there at the end, and nbc's geoff ben nit is back and so is ben white, the chief correspondent with politico and msnbc contributor and ned price is also sticking around. geoff, lt me start wi-- let me with you, because even though we could not make tout question, the answer was based on ukraine
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and the canceled meeting with vladimir putin. >> yeah, he was. you heard him reiterate the point that the white house officials have made that the reason they scrapped the meeting had to do with russia's aggressive acts against ukraine, and as we pointed out that contention is debatable, and the only significant development that we have seen take place in the weekend incident and the president's decision yesterday to scrap the meeting is the plea agreement from michael cohen, and he was asked at the end of the press avail about the marquee event the saturday night dinner date between china's president and president trump and the two of them trying to lay the groundwork for the cease-fire of this brewing trade war between the two kcountries, and the president suggested that larry kudlow seems to be opt s optimistic that the dinner is going the produce some results, but we are not sure what informs the optimism or if it is entirely warranted, but there are people who say that the trade wars of this nature are good for no one, and certainly,
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when you have this happening with the world's two biggest econo economies the ramifications are felt beyond the borders of those two specific countries. craig. >> and ben, while i have you here, i want to talk about china, because we are about to hit the top of the hour, but this meeting between president trump and president xi jinping, and what are we surmising is coming out of that? >> well, the hope of the free market watcher s s is not that y make a big agreement, that xi and trump call off the trade war, but agree to future talks and set up a framework as the administration is talking about to set up a framework for the future and the administration does not go around with another round of $260 billion of tariffs and increase the current level from 10% to 25%, and that is the agreement to keep talking. that is what kudlow wants, and it is interesting to trump refer to kudlow and not more hawkish people in the administration, because it is an idea that xi and trump will come up with a
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plan to talk more and eventually make a deal that avoids a trade war between the world's two biggest economies. >> ned, we have heard the president reiterate why precisely the meeting with vladimir putin was scrapped, and sarah huckaby sanders insisting that the reason for the canceled meeting was ukraine, and ned, do you buy that? >> i don't buy that, and i will the tell you why, craig. the ukrainian sailors were in russian custody earlier in the week when the white house confirm and reconfirmed just an hour before canceling the meeting that the meeting would take place, and the only intervening substantive development was michael cohen's plea agreement with the prosecutors, and the fact of the matter is that the crisis getting worse and not better. we have seen the ukrainians imposing martial law, and now most of the military-aged russians are barred from entering ukraine and today is the first time that we have actually heard president trump speak with any strength on the
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matter. when he was first asked about this earlier in the week, he said something like either way, and attributing the blame it seems to both sides, and so hopefully we can see president trump stick with the g 7 counterparts to condemn russia's actions here. >> thank you my friend. ben white, thank you, and ned, always good to have your perspective as well. president trump again in buenos aires continuing with the g20 summit, and that is going to wrap up this hour of "msnbc live." "andrea mitchell reports" is starting right now, and you are here in new york. >> yes, in new york. and the president with a dark cloud as he meets with the world leaders and his secretary acknowledging that the mueller probe is undermining his missions with rush sharks but he insists that the canceled meeting with vladimir putin is because of ukraine and not

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