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established in richardson, we are closely monitoring reports of aftershocks and assessing damage to roads, bridges, and buildings. my family is praying for yours. god bless alaska. >> that is governor bill walker saying that. that will wrap things up for me this hour. christensen picks things up e -- christensen picks things -- chris jansen picks things up. juneau is the capital. thank you so much. breaking news, if that's the worse that happens, we are okay. okay, i am chris jansen. we continue this major earthquake. it happened two-and-a-half hours ago. but significant aftershocks are still happening. the 7.0 quake caused major infrastructure damage, that
includes to homes and buildings. we continue to get the latest pictures and videos of the damage coming into us. check out the highway onramp that collapsed from the massive tremor. we are also continuing to get reports on how widespread the damage is elsewhere, how bad it is. one tv stakes was even forced from their building after part of the ceiling collapsed and started flooding. the epicenter of this quake was five miles from anchorage. airports are offering only limited service. there have been numerous aftershocks. the strongest reported at 5.7. the president in buenes aires for the g20 is also monitoring what is happening. i am sure the way the white house works, he is getting the latest updates. what are we learning right now? >> well, chris, fortunately, there are no reports of deaths or injuries, but we are continuing to monitor the
extensive damage throughout anchorage. we are getting a lot of images pouring in via social media, where we are seeing you know damage in businesses, in homes, in offices. right now, it's about 11:00 in the morning. so they are working with daylight emergency responders or kind of scouring through the area right now, ensuring that folks are safe. but the mayor also mentioned that as a result of this earthquake, there are three fires that they are monitoring, but they are getting a handle on it. but they're also talking about some of the extensive damage on some of the roadways. >> that is creating some significant traffic jams as well so this all hammond when y-- ha folks were starting at work or their day at school. parents were having challenges right now picking up their kids. other things to point out. power outages in pockets of anchorage and governor bill walker also mentioned that there was a disaster declaration in
place. emergency responders are in the area right now. but you mentioned earlier, there are still some aftershocks that are being felt, hundreds of miles away, so certainly they're not out of the woods yet as far as the danger. but this area, not, this is something that they're prone to having these times of earthquakes. i was reading up on this, 40,000 earthquakes per year on average for the state of alaska. so they have buildings in place that are protective and i guess in situations like this. so right now, we continue to monitor, what continues to unfold in anchorage, really, it's kind of impressive to see the damage so far. >> yes, it's obviously devastating there, driving down the road and suddenly a part of the road disappears. we also know that alaska is the site of the largest earthquake ever in north america back in 1964, it was a 9.0.
actually a 9.2. it lasted three full minutes. even with all of our modern technology, by comparison to a lot of places in the country, alaska is not heavily populated. although, anchorage certainly is it probably has the densest population of yearn in that state. but are we seeing much on social media? where are we getting our information from largely here? have we heard anything from the governor's office besides this disaster declaration? >> well the governor's office is saying right now their priority is to make shire alaskans stay safe. so they have deploy a lot of emergency responders, to survey the area and make sure that people are staying off the roadways, because as you saw there, just one road completely collapsed. so right now, it really is, you know, they're still in a danger zone. we are seeing a lot of images
and video from social media, just kind of painting this picture of the extent of the damage right now as a result of this earthquake. >> kathy, thank you so much. i know you will get back to us as more information comes n. i want to go to the phone, anchorage resident matt hertz has been driving around the city. i understand you have been seeing the damage first hand. we have comparative video since it's been a couple hours since this first struck. what can you tell us what you are seeing? >> reporter: first of all, i'm a reporter with alaska public service. >> it makes sense you are driving around. okay. >> reporter: yes, doing my job. i would say there definitely seems to be significant like infrastructure damage, but not necessarily catastrophic in nature. there is an off-ramp at the
airport that's basically collapsed. there is this car idling on a pavement where the rest of the pavement has fallen off to the side and the car. i talked to a guy that actually watched it happened. he said it's an amazing story. it speaks to the way anchorage reacts to this type of thing. he says the guy in this karma rooned on the pavement had a flight to catch. so he left the car there and apparently went to the airport to try to catch a flight. so definitely like there is a lot of turn here. and i think everyone is trying to figure out, is my house okay? are my kids okay? from everything i heard -- i have been listening to the radio, i have been talking to my colleagues, it doesn't sound like there are injuries, death, a lot of inconvenience stuff happening. definitely books and shelves and plaster falling off the walls and that kind of thing. it looks like this main grocery
store in the center of town is a huge mess with stuff falling off she was, heating ducts falling. there will definitely be work to clean up and recover from this. but at the same time we do have pretty rigorous building standards here based on you know what's the happened here in the past. the '64 earthquake. i think for how serious this was, at least initially, it feels like it could have been a lot worse. >> i want to ask you more about that. i certainly know from the time i lived in los angeles when i moved there. obviously, another place that knows what it is to experience earthquakes and i did when i was there. you are very carefulant all these things. i immediately was told by people when i move there about the safety precautions you take. you don't hang a heavy picture over your bed. you don't put a lot of objects in a bookcase that's not secured to a wall.
all those kind of things. would you say in anchorage and throughout that area affected by this earth quake because of the propensity to have earthquakes there, that most people -- i don't want to say they're used to it. you are not used to necessarily a major quake, one of this magnitude, but they're prepared for it? >> reporter: i think, yeah, that's way to put it. it's definitely -- i lived here five.5 years. this is definitely the largest one i've experienced. this is not the thing that happens every day or every year. i think people know in the back of their minds, if they were here in '64 when we had the gigantic i think 9.2 i think earthquake, there are still plenty of people around that experienced that. so, you know, this is definitely something that people know in the backs of their minds it's going to happen at any minute. people, it is, there is somewhat of an element of it being drilled into them.
you know, as of this morning, i was in a coffee shop when this actually happened and you know kind of started and it was sort of like, aha the heating system and they intensify, everyone just kind of definitely urgent but orderly way, head to the door the parking lot, immediately, everyone was making calls, checking on relative, houses, that kind of thing. >> is that the first earthquake you've experienced did you say? >> no you know, i probably felt a half dozen at least, but you know i would say they're all like you know pretty small. like you will feel a jolt or you'll feel things shake just for a second. this one was like you know it lasted for probably 30 seconds or so and it kept getting stronger and stronger and stronger. it was not like anything i had ever experienced before. it was definitely a much more serious magnitude. >> take care as are you driving
around there. we know aftershocks already follow. there has been one that's significant at a 5.8. we thank you for taking the time to talk to us. our best to everybody there in anchorage. i want to go to keernt tom costello monitoring the impact it is having on travel into and out of alaska. have you the alaska pipeline. we heard matt saying visually as he's driving around, he's not seeing what you would consider to be any kind of catastrophic damage to infrastructure. but what do we know, tom? >> reporter: let me update you the situation on anchorage airport. i have been talking to the faa. they have now reopened the air traffic control tower. it was closed for a while. controllers are back in the tower. they are working on limited departures. for a time, just a few hours ago, they were in a situation where pilots were coordinating with each other via the radio
because the tower had been closed. however, now, the tower is reopened. so they are now restarting some of these departures. in the meantime, arrivals are being diverted to various airports. >> that includes almonddorf and fair banks, so operations are normal there. i can tell you there is a traffic management system in effect as you would expect. because they need to do a real assessment of what damage there may be on the runways. in the ramps, the building. then they got to do a thorough assessment of any damage to that control tower. again right now, people are back inside. all of that will be a part of the assessment before they completely get back up and running again. as for the 800 mile transalaska oil pipeline. >> that we have been told has been shut down as a preventive measure. they say they did that at 8:34
a.m. local time, following the earthquake. no known injuries. shut down simply as a precaution. but they now need to do a full assessment of that huge pipeline spanning as we said 800 miles to look for any signs of cracks or damage to that pipe line. obviously, the concern would be any potential environmental damage that can come from a spill some i got to tell you, given the scope of this earthquake, a 7. the fact that you got the anchorage airport right now trying to get back up and running, it would appear with minimal damage and you got so far no known damage to the pipeline, this really seems to be remarkable at least at the moment. >> thank you so much, tom costello. as you continue to gather information, keep us posted. i know you will. lucie jones is a seismologist at cal tech. lucy, it's good to see you. you may not remember, but i remember vividly when i moved to los angeles that one of the
first things they did in the bureau is send me to you. one of the things you taught me is preparation, pep rakes, preparation, preparation. talking to a local radio reporter, his analysis seems to be because they are prone to earthquakes, there, most people have experienced them, that paying attention to those warnings from people like you probably made things better than they might otherwise have been. but give us a sense of how big a 7.0 is and what you know about xa exactly happened. >> reporter: okay. so a 7.0 is several times more energy released than the 6.7 we had in '94 in northridge here in los angeles. so for scope, three, four times more energy released. however this is a deeper earthquake and, therefore, it was -- everybody is farther away from it. the earthquake is farther down, we're up here. >> that means we are farther away. but the overall level of shake
secretary going to be pretty similar to what we saw in northridge in '94 or the nesquali earthquake in seattle in 2001. at that level of shaking, older building, bad buildings can collapse, can kill a lot of people n. alaska, they not only have lots of ear rt quakes, they have a magnitude of 92 in '64 that had more shaking than this one did. they were already bad, buildings were taken out. as they rebuild, they had to build strongly and for the magnitude 9. so their buildings are in much better shape. it sounds like the education process has been very well, too. in pictures they seen people do drop cover hold on. which we struggle to get people to do here in california. i was impressed to see the way in people acted that way. >> give us a sense of the ongoing threat. we were hearing tom costello saying they were trying to get the airport in afternoon range
back up. there has been one aftershock. what do we know about the likelihood there will be another significant aftershock? >> reporter: okay. so there's already been one magniyou today 5.7 and several smaller ones as well. on average, the largest aftershock to a magnitude 7 will be magnitude 5.8, 5.9. that's only on average. a magnitude of 5.6 is probably on the order of 20-to-30%. the chance you can have after aftershock bigger than the first one, we clang the name and call the first 21 a foreshock. >> that is actually up at 5%. the fact that it's been several hours since the earthquake already reduces that likelihood. people should be expecting to feel aftershocks in the day and have strong aftershocks for weeks or months to come. >> why should they have so many earthquakes? >> reporter: okay. alaska is tech tonically the
aftershock of the united states. it's the -- i lost my mic. my thing. the pacific ocean goes underneath alaska and that is a great compression. it produces the magnitude 9s. and the continent behind that e seduction zone gets formed by all to going on. i lost, okay. sorry i lost my earpiece. i got it back. yes. so, just because the plates are moving fastest in alaska. and you get the magnitude 9s, a lot of other earthquakes with it. we have a slower earthquake risk because we have less people exposed to it. but the hazard the number of earthquakes is the highest in the united states. >> the good news is statistically the worse is the over. let's hope that small percentage, a possibility, if this is a foreshock does not
come to fruition. lucie joan, it's good to see you. you taught me a lot. thank you so much. hello to all the folks at cal tech. appreciate it. >> okay. thank you for having me. well, from high 5s between world leaders to street protests. we will take a look at the tension and politics between the world politics at the g20 summit. how this important trip is going for the president. how it's been clouded by the mueller investigation back home. we will have updates as they come in from the alaska earthquake. you are watching msnbc. place, the xfinity xfi gateway.
at this hour, lingering questions about president trump's decision to cancel his planned meeting with russian president vladimir putin at the g interest 20 just hours after his former lawyer pleaded guilty in the mueller investigation. but the white house says those two events are unrelated. the president insisting today that the cancellation is because of russia's seizure of ukrainian ships and sailors. >> we don't like what happened. we're not happy about it. nobody is. hopefully, they'll will able to settle it out. we look forward to meeting with president putin. but on the basis of what took place, with respect to the ships and the sailors, that was the sole reason. >> now, in big meetings like this, we pay attention to optics. there were awkward moments when the leaders got together for the
family photo. president trump appearing to do his best to avoid any contact with putin. but while most world leaders studioiously avoided prince mohammed bin salman, a white house official has acknowledged to nbc news the president and mbs quote exchanged pleasantries at the leader's session as he did with nearly every leader in attendan attendance, it was almost a high five between mbs around putin. all smiles as they sat down next to each other. there has been anticipation how president trump would handle interactions with both men. let's take a look at who they are.
overshadowing what many people hoped would be a triumph, a signing of the u.s.-mexico-canada agreement. tell me what the feeling is there on the ground, geoff. >> reporter: a signing of the agreement between the u.s. and canada and mexico, both sides to the table. but even though that deal is done, this new nafta deal is done the work still continues. of course, we heard from canadian prime minister justin trudeau who says he wants to see only relief from those tariffs against steel and aluminum the tariffs still in place, even though this deal has been signed. and because it is a trade deal, it still has to be ratified by congress. with democrats in control of the house, it's really an open question whether or not democrats want to give president trump a victory that he could then point to in his 2020 re-election. as for this meeting with vladimir putin that we know the president scrapped on his way here. the white house was forced to put out a statement today saying
there would be no informal meeting between the two. the white house pushing back on the statement the russians put out this morning saying the two men would meet on their feet. that was the phrase suggesting there would be an informal meeting, what are known as pull-asides here. that's clearly not happening. i talked to a foreign policy administration who are relieved this meeting between the presidents trump and putin is not happening. because it means that president trump won't necessarily, if he fails to you tow hold putin's feet to the fire or worse, should he accept putin's version of events as he did in helsinki. >> that won't happen now. people won't point to that with this meeting happening tomorrow morning. >> there are a lot of other meetings. the white house said earlier it was jam packed full of his schedule. now i understand a number of meetings with some leaders is shrinking. what can you tell us about that? what is the white house saying? >> reporter: headed into this, they boasted it was full to over
flowing. now that schedule is drying up. his formal meeting with the president of south korea the leaders of turkey. those were reduced to informal pull-asides. the meeting with angela merkel had to be rescheduled, she isn't attend. the president putin meeting isn't happening and he may have action with mohammed bin salman. we'll see if that takes place tomorrow. i would point out the marquee event is tomorrow night between president trump and chinese president xi, all about finding a way to deescalate this trade war. there are no big winners. certainly, we'll have to see if that dinner produces any tangible results. >> thank you for that. joining us to take a closer look at this, ian bremer, the eurasia group. john mclaughlin a former acting cia director and noble analyst.
john, let me start with you. are you one of the people who is relieved this meeting isn't taking place? what do you make of it? because right after the cancellation, we heard from the kremlin, they said, ha, this is all about what's happening domestically. sarah sanders put out a statement and said, no, this is our reaction to what's going on with ukraine. >> hmm, i think it is all about what's happening domestically. i am confident about. that second, having been around some of these meetings, it's very hard to avoid meeting with someone. these are small affairs, in terms of physical location. they'll brump into each other, have a brush pass. at some point, i predict. it may not be a formal meeting. my view of this is that a strong, confident president on top of his or her brief ought to be able to meet with almost anyone and deliver a message. i would have been comfortable with, this is a strong, confident president meeting with president putin to tell him
exactly what we object to, politely, not in public, privately and the white house press office can put out normally a statement saying a president met with a foreign leader and made the following points i don't think this president is on top of his brief enough to do that. >> let's talk a bit about mbs if we can. do optics matter? does it matter the white house put out a statement and they had a pleasant exchange, given the fact that we know so many other world leaders, our allies were studiously avoiding having any interaction with him. even though as john points out, it's the g20. it's a small affair. you will run into people. >> i heard talk about mbs being an international pariah. let's beclear the two largest countries in the world, u.s. and china, have no problem. i saw earlier india had a very warm formal meeting with the president macron of france ising
having a formal sit down. not a formal pull aside with mohammed bin salman. he is sending weapons. the u.s. has been a little tougher on that. there is no question that what we've seen in the response by trump to mbs and his likely connection to the text murder of this journalist, mr. khashoggi, has been badly mishandled and the media has gone after him as a consequence. but we don't have an international community. what we see at the g-20 today are countries acting much more directly in narrow and transactional self interest. i wish i could say that was just president trump doing that. unfortunately, it's an awful lot of countries. it's an increasing number of countries. it makes the g20 look like not a big company. >> one of the norms, if you have a conversation it might be about how your intelligence agencies have given you everyday to suggest that mbs was behind the murder of an american resident,
somebody who worked for "the washington post. having said that i want to read to you something that connect senator chris murphy beat theed today. he says, it's not some wild coincidence that the administration's foreign policy is most explicable toward the two countries, where the trump family pursues the mote business. do you think this is the way it's viewed in many parts of the world? >> i'm afraid it is, chris. yes, i think so and my feeling, watching this g20 is very much like what ian just said, i would add this. the president is not leading any of the groups that many of these people in the g20 belong to. so we are seeing i think before our eyes a diminution of u.s. influence and leadership. the president is not leading, for example, the climate change agreement, which many of these
countries long tbelong to. he is not leading in trade, which he withdrew from and it has been replaced by a counterpart chinese organization that embraces half of humanity. he pulled out of the iran nuclear agreement, to which many of these countries belong. when they look at the president, they're not seeing someone who leads. i think there is declining interest in meeting with him to reenforce ian's point. >> that is when the american president behaves that way, it allows others, it encourages others. it's a role model for others to deal with each other in that transactional way rather than coming toke. >> reporter:. >> ian, we talk about new norms. are you not as john was talking, if another president i think certainly i traveled to various summits with president obama, had cancelled a series of meetings or down graded a series of meetings for world leaders
and there is so much to be said for face-to-face communication. right? for just standing, sitting next to another world leader and having that conversation. do we sort of shrug and say, well, this is the world we're in now? >> we do a little in the sense that even though in is unprecedented for trump. so many things are unprecedented for trump and america's diminution of influence globally has increased under trump. what was happening beforehand, let's be clear. we got brexit, europe is a lot weaker. we have macron at 20%, approval, trump at 40. murkel unlikely chancellor, we have italy, mump more aligned with and it type first policy than with supporting europe, that makes europe weaker while the chinese and russians and daish da dare i vsay erdogan, i'd leads
against multi-lateral institutions john just referred to. on the one hand, trump cancels this meeting. the crkremlin wasn't told. it's highly unusual and unprecedented. yet, it probably matters less than these broader issues john and i have been talking about. >> john bremer, i can't imagine two better people to talk to about this. thanks to both of you. we want to go back to the earthquake as we know it, 7.0, that struck near anchorage, alaska, senator murkowski, two represents that great state, standing by on capitol hill. thank you so mump for joining us. what are you hearing from back home? >> well, it is a very, very difficult day in alaska today. a 7.0 earthquake hitting the main population center right
outside of anchorage, pretty extensive damage to the roads that are in town there. power is out in many parts of the city. it looks like a lot of property damage at this point in time. we have not heard of loss of life or injury. but we are getting very, very preliminary assessments at this point in time. the one piece of good news is the tsunami warning has been call off. so that can put our coastal communities at ease, but right now, it is the early assessment is a great deal of infrastructure and damage in and around anchorage, alaska. >> you never can be fully prepared for something like this, obviously, but you do live in a state where you had a huge earthquake back in 1964, where you've had many, many since and where as we just heard from our earthquake expert. you sort of at the epicenter of
north america where earthquakes can happen. tell us what's happening on the ground right now immediately to help people two, you know, may be in dangerous situations or two need help and then also long-term, what you think needs to happen and can happen to make sure that the alaska and average ram area in particular is able to rebuild. >> well, the immediate response is one that we are tee'd up to do. we as you point out, we do have a frequency of earthquakes. so we have to be resilient. we can't rely on the next state over to send in assistance. so we have built in integrated systems, management teams through the local and the state facilitated by our federal partners through fema. so those that are already in place are there. the governor is with our adjective general and has declared a state of emergency
already. we have established shelters for those two may be worried about whether or not there are gas leaks into their homes, making sure that the resources are there. again, this just happened this morning, but it is dark and it is cold and if the power is out, you may have some families that are vulnerable and need that place. so we are setting up the instant response. i have already made contact with our fema regional director. he's on his way to alaska, along with the second in command. we are having the national assets coming in as well. but moving forward, how we are able to respond again to the damage that we haven't been able to identify clearly, to the full extent. this is going to be a longer
term process for us. so we need to stand ready at a federal level to make sure that the resources are there for the disaster support that will necessarily come. >> fema the first one, federal response. have you been in touch with white house officials or anybody else from the next offering their help? >> we have been working very closely with the agencies that are receiving the information on the ground, whether it be noaa working to advise communities as to the threat of a potential tsunami working directly with the usgs, working with the ear earth quake center. the monitor center, to make sure we are a prize. because this is still aunl go g ongoing. we are still seeing aftershocks. i just spoke with my son in anchorage, as we were speaking, he said, hold on, we are having
an after shock right now. >> your family is okay? >> my family is all right. we have been sending texts wildly to make sure of that. but it is a time of the year where, again, we recognize that families can be vulnerable and we want to ensure that everyone is going to be safe. so, we need the thoughts and the prayers at the same time na we are working to do a rapid response. >> and i'm sure that you have them for everybody watching, especially around the holiday season and knowing that it is winter upon us especially in alaska. senator murkowski, i know you are probably making plans to get back to your home state. we appreciate you stopping to give us an update. we will see michael cohen back after lying to congressmen. we will show you how information
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multiple sources telling yahoo news that don jr. and ivanka trump were working along with michael cohen to make trump tower moscow a reality. a second source tells yahoo mueller is asking questions about it. just a reminder, cohen implicated the president and top democrats who will take control in the house in january are already preparing their next move. earlier today, i talked with intel committee member jackie spire. >> we want to go through these transcripts and make a very clear decision as to who do we want to bring back and have them either retract what they have sid or if they recon firm it, then establish through other everyday and documents that they have lied and then send it over to the u.s. attorney for prosecution. >> well, could that include members of the president's immediate family or close staffers? >> i think it could. >> joining me now politico white house reporter, editor-in-chief
at the hill. anybody who knows how the trump family operation works, this is not a fortune 500 company. this was a small family operation. it would be a reasonable conclusion, wouldn't it, that if this really was a serious consideration for team trump, they were going to build this multi-billion dollar project, then everybody in the family knew about it? >> yeah. or at least a number of them. certainly what i think is very troubling for the president is the timing of all this, chris. remember, the trump's team of lawyers already gave his answers to the written questions from mueller. then all of a sudden michael cohen is reaching this deal and he apparently lied about the contact with russian officials and the timing of it. so i'm sure that was a question that robert mueller asked. that's what trump's team has to be a little bit nervous about. >> the president we know values loyalty probably above almost
everything. it's one thing for him to watch somebody like paul manafort go to jail. he's been sort of dismissive on his role on the campaign. but he has pointedly not ruled out a pardon for manafort. however, when it comes to his own family, how different is the equation if he sees don jr. or ivanka in mueller's sights? >> i think that's the whole equation. i think the president will hit back much harder. we saw the beginnings as he got on air force one. you know, he criticized cohen, tried to undercut what cohen had said, calling him weak, sort of indicating he only employed him because cohen had done a favor for the president a while ago. so i think the president internally sees his family has sort of a key red line and the closer it gets to the trump orbit, i this i the president will go on attack even more. >> then you have other members of the intel committee who are
talking about this. you got this on two tracks. you got the mueller investigation. then in january, you are going to have a whole new set of leaders on the intelligence committee who say that all of this has been buried by the republican leadership. i want to play for you what another member of that committee eric swallow had to say. >> well, we also believe sitting in the house basement are pageles of lice and the tranp scripts -- transcripts of witnesses that we want to send to problem mueller. atam schiff a number of times asked devon nunez to send those transcripts to bob mueller to be reviewed. nunez blocked that every single time. item number one will be to get the transcripts to mueller. then we want to fill in the blanks particularly as it relates to potential money laundering through the trump organization with russian money. >> reporter: the democrats are presenting this they want to return integrity to the investigative process on the hill, which they believe has
been lost particularly undevon nunez in the intel side. having said that, how fine a line do the democrats have to walk to make surer that not doing exactly what the republicans did in. >> oh, they have to be very, very careful here. this is a big deal. have you mueller. you have the investigation. as far as filling in the blanks, giving mueller more information. i think that's very fine. politically, it can be very tricky if house democrats try to open up a new investigation, if they think he dropped the ball. the house intelligence committee used to be bipartisan. it is no longer bipartisan. i think it's lost a lot of credibility. i think it will come down to what mueller finds, period. >> how much the house goes after him. finally, nancy what is your sense from the folks you know within the white house about, you know, beef heard increasingly how frustrated the president has become. i think we saw some of it yesterday when he walked out and talked to the pretty before
boarding marine one. he had just heard about what had happened with michael cohen. obviously, probably had been briefed by members of his legal team about what the implications what might be. what are the implications just for where we are now open the president and his ability to get stuff done? >> i think it's a huge hindrance. you know the president was informed of you know cohen's plea deal the night before. so he was informed wednesday night. so by the time we saw him thursday, departing on air force one, he actually had 12 hours or so to digest it. still we saw a bit of defensiveness on his part. i think that the white house just overall is very unprepared for all these investigations that the house democrats are going to launch. they're still not a white house attorney in place. he's undergoing a background check. >> that office has very few lawyers in it right now. they need to hire up. i think the president becomes very distracted by the mueller
investigation. we saw that you know he's heading into this huge summit with a big dinner with the president of china tomorrow night. instead, he's sort of contending with this huge domestic issue at home, that's not what white house aids wanted to happen heading into the global meeting. >> thanks to both of you. much appreciate it. here's the big number that came out yesterday, talking for more than 70 hours already. so how much more can the president's long-time attorney michael cohen tell the special counsel? we'll dig into that after the break. on making it easy to get your windshield fixed. with safelite, you can see exactly when we'll be there. saving you time for what you love most. >> kids: whoa! >> kids vo: ♪ safelite repair, safelite replace ♪ i'm ray and i quit smoking with chantix. i tried to quit smoking for years on my own. i couldn't do it. i needed help. for me, chantix worked. it did. chantix, along with support, helps you quit smoking.
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so, here's a question. are we nearing the end or could this be a new phase of the russia investigation? cohen is going to continue working with the special counsel until the full truth is told. pretty significant given that there are all these new details about trump and his family's alleged role in the trump tower moscow deal after cohen had already spent 70 hours talking to mueller's team. with me tom winter who has been all over this from the beginning. where does this go next? >> so i think it could go a couple interesting places. to your point, michael cohen's camp says they've talked with the special counsel's office for 70 hours. we know from the paperwork he's met with them seven times. you don't need to figure out if you're lying to congress to have seven meetings to figure that out. i think it's pretty conclusive that he's told them a lot more.
to your point we have members of the trump family that have been alluded to in court documents and michael cohen's allocution yesterday. the president himself names. this takes it inside really the whole trump organization and the trump business. and so i think it's going to be very interesting to see where that plays out over the coming days and weeks. >> he becomes this very important witness after, and i don't believe it was just earlier this week, the whole manafort deal blew up and today his lawyers were in court. what's going to there with paul manafort? >> so two key things came out today. one is he's going to be sentenced march 5th of next year. in the meantime, we're going to get an update on the alleged crimes and lies that mueller's team says that he committed while he was trying to cooperate with them or not trying to cooperate with them. however you want to look at it. on december 7th, we're going to get a detailing of what those alleged crimes and lies are. so we're going to get next week a much better sense of what manafort was up to while in this alleged cooperation.
>> we're out of time but in addition to we know that now when the sentencing is supposed to take place, there are was an indication this could not be -- might not be the end, right? >> that's exactly right. the government has the possibility of refiling the charges they said they weren't going to file when he came up with his plea agreement. all that is out the window now. we'll have to watch and see whether paul manafort will have to deal with a trial. >> tom winter, thank you so much. have a great weekend. coming up, we're learning more about matthew whitaker's thoughts on president trump before he was named acting attorney general. you're watching msnbc. ♪ carla is living with metastatic breast cancer, which is breast cancer that has spread to other parts of her body. she's also taking prescription ibrance with an aromatase inhibitor, which is for postmenopausal women with hormone receptor-positive her2- metastatic breast cancer
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and that's going to wrap up the hour, as well as this week for me. look for me on twitte twitter @chrisjansing. next week at 2:00. thank you for watching. "deadline white house" with nicolle wallace starts right now. hey, nicolle. >> hi, everyone. it's 4:00 in new york. donald trump entered a new phase of his presidency today as he emerged on the world stage at the g20 summit in buenos aires argentina for the first time with a new title added to his name, individual one. a legal code name applied to him
in a court filing from robert mueller. while trump's turns on the world stage have included notable low points like siding with vladimir putin over his own intel community, shove aside the leader of montenegro, a nato ally, and blowing off a world war i tribute during a trip to france, his appearance today marks the first of his presidency where he steps on stage as the central subject in an investigation into possible collusion between russia and his own presidential campaign. "the washington post" reporting, quote, in two major developments this week, president trump has been labeled in the parlance of criminal investigations as a major subject of interest, complete with an opaque legal code name, individual 1. one day after the surprise guilty plea from the president's former fixer and lawyer, michael cohen. the picture of just how much trouble the president may be in is becoming clearer. our friend emily jane fox reports in "vanity