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we'll just send it to the border wall. we'd like to come up with more, but you might get bored. we will be talking a lot on the russia connection, plus the president's big meeting with china. will it help or hurt, the american economy? the beat with ari melber starts right now. thank you very much. we are covering a lot of news tonight. donald trump overseas right now with world leaders but unable to escape the legal and political firestorm back here in washington. you can see donald trump standing in a line with vladimir putin today but forced to call off their planned sit down with revelations michael cohen was working with the kremlin on potential business in moskow. also later tonight, a beat special report. what happens if donald trump just defies the subpoenas from the new democratic house next year? well, there's actually something
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pretty major they can do about it. that's later. but we begin with the growing heat on donald trump in this russia probe culminating in pressure now hitting trump's family. also paul manafort's lawyers today facing off with the mueller team in court. this was a new and separate proceeding. this all comingut of th way mueller yanked and blew up the plea deal because he says as you may have heard by now, that paul manafort kept online. so one of mueller's top lieutenants andrew weissman says he could face new and separate charges. meanwhile accusing manafort of lying about his business dealings and his foreign outreach. in our legal system nobody just takes bob mueller's word for it p. today a judge explained exactly how it's going to go down, ordering mueller's prosecutors to basically prove that case with details and turn them in by december 7th.
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and a judge would scour those arguments for potentially months because manafort won't under this plan actually get sentenced until march. meanwhile new reporting asking witnesses about ivanka trump and the trump tower moskow project, and investigators have clearly gotten their hands on some hot e-mails that showed cohen talked to ivanka and don junior about this controversial project. and ivanka recommended a specific architect for it if it were to happen. all of this has forced donald trump to change the story he's had about this that has gone back for years. he's now claiming he just lightly looked at doing deals in russia, which is a major upgrade from quote, no dealings. >> i have no dealings with russia. i have no deals in russia. i have no deals that could happen in russia because we've stayed away. and i have no loans with russia. >> that's a lot of nos that are
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not nos. and cohen meeting with mueller's team, and he clearly would have given up a lot more information than what was just released in that relatively spare piece of charging materials we got yesterday. donald trump didn't even know about those meetings until the guilty plea dropped. so that means to be clear, onald trump doesn't probably else cohen told mueller about trump's ties to russia unless some of it was leaked back through that manafort double agent thing, we'll see. and then donald trump probably doesn't have a lot of insight as to why the russians will -- well, will he find out why they were so eager to help him? >> they're doing it to try to influence the election for donald trump. maybe because he's praised putin, maybe because he's said he agrees with a lot of what putin wants to do, maybe because he wants to do business in moskow, i don't know the reasons but we deserve answers. >> the answers keep coming in, and we've got some professional
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answer givers to join me tonight. kim, is there any crime that you see in this horrific national security scandal? >> well, with respect to the president, we don't really know. there could be a conspiracy to defraud the united states that involves the russians. we already know there's an indictment against several russian operatives. we could have some additional campaign financial violations, problems if there was a quid pro quo. look, across the legal landscape of the united states, this notion of getting goodies for favors is something that the emoluments clause doesn't like, the securities clause doesn't like it, the foreign practices act doesn't like it. when presidential candidates announce they're going to run, they have to disclose information. so there's lots of places in the law where this is problem and of course the politics are
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problematic and all of it bears on impeachment problem. >> the other question i want to go to you before we brought it out on the law is when you list that off, that's a target rich environment of basically federal crimes you're talking about. do you views those as in directly in the collusion investigation mueller was assigned or basically arising outlet of collusion. >> well, to your point the referral from rosenstein to mueller is quite broad. it would clearly encompass all of that. but to me what came out if you read carefully the information that mueller issued with respect to cohen, you can see in the e-mails that are documented in that information, this is not just mr. cohen talking, linking the president and communications with the russians relating to the moskow deal during the campaign. >> but business crime that may not be quote-unquote collusion. >> well, collusion is not a crime. conspiracy is a crime.
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collusion is like what the shorthand people are talking about for this connection between the russians and the election. as far as the crime, it would have to be what we know is conspiracy, a meeting of the minds. and any showing of intent and very difficult. >> so that's crime. i want to talk to you, eleanor, about lies which are bad for democracy even when they are potentially lawful. what we just showed, donald trump changing the story, suggests that he does feel the need to revise. your view of that. >> well, the fact that he covered this up, he knew that there was something that didn't sit quite right with what he was doing, and so he lied consistently. and now he's faced with a plea agreement that everybody can see where a person acting on his behalf, working with the top aide to the russian president was offering a $50 million suite on the top of trump tower.
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now, i don't know how you define bribe, but that comes awfully close to it. and the president is now saying, well, he wasn't sure he was going to win, it was a good chance he wouldn't win. he had to pursue his business opportunities, there was nothing wrong with that. >> let me push you on that. there was a former trump aide today who said you don't know donald trump at all if you think he would have ever accepted the recommendation to give away a $50 million suite in gift. >> well, he wouldn't be giving it away, he'd be getting something in return. so i think you'd be weighing carefully the risk benefit. and that's what he's been doing ever since he entered the campaign and entered the white house. he measures the risk versus the benefit. he wasn't going to meet with putin at the g-20 summit -- oops, yes, he is going to meet. the russians owned him. they were owned him since the early '90s where the only money he could get was from deutsche
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bank which has a well-known reputation as acting as the financial conduit for oligarchs. i think it's fascinating that the germans raided deutsche bank this week, and i don't know what's going to come out of that. but a friend of mine who works in finance says there's a saying that things happen gradually and then happen suddenly. and that's the phase we're in. >> it has become commonplace to normalize congress as a failure that doesn't do anything. i'm not interested in using that as a premise. i go from the premise the congress has oversight responsibilities, investigative responsibilities and you look at the report of russia that came out of the house on this very issue. it asserts that michael cohen attempted to reach out to members of the russian government, to make that very project proceed. but apparently it didn't have any direct points of contact, and that it didn't appear cohen ever received a response. what does it mean for that building there that that's the
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republican conclusion that in the light of day by mueller now we know to be false? >> well, the republicans were clearly determined to find that there's nothing here to see, folks. you know, nothing really happened. now, that -- in fairness that's what michael cohen told them, right? and so he lied. now, they didn't go out of their way at all to test those lies and to try to, you know, as mueller did, to find out that, you know, that he wasn't telling the truth. and they certainly didn't go where eleanor suggests mueller may be going, to look at this at the whole nexus of relationships between donald trump and russian oligarchs and billionaires and people connected with putin over the years. and how much they've spent buying luxury condos from him
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and where that money came from, and was it cleaner after they bought these apartments? you know, that's something i think mueller's looking at. >> and eleanor, i want to ask you about the way donald trump is reacting to lof this. there's much has been made of what a tv presidency this is, but washington has been a tv town for some time. when you were on the mclaughlin group and those of us were growing up watching it, that is where the table was set. and only thing that's changed is it's happened faster and constantly. with that in mind i read to you the reports about donald trump watching tv, and it says every time he sees michael cohen on tv he grows aggrieved and cohen is now seen as an existential threat at or more so than the investigation itself because when trump sees him on-air he knows this was his fixer for so many issues. >> well, and he says that michael cohen is a weak person, michael cohen is lying. at the same time rudy giuliani,
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who's speaking on the president's behalf as his lawyer, said that the president's answers in his written document to mueller lines up with what michael cohen said. now, i'd like to see that released, if this white house really wants us to believe this president has any credibility. i guess, i can't even use that word in the same sentence with trump, but they want to prove something, that they are telling a story that their supporters will believe. that this was a business opportunity, that there was nothing untoward here and he was entitled to do this, and now he's being pushed around by this weak person who's telling lies because he doesn't want to jail. >> and the trump narrative at least for his fans, he's really good at picking people, he picks the best people, but also some mysterious process constantly delivers him really weak liars that constantly turn on him.
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>> that he hardly knows or he barely met. you know, michael cohen could turn out to be for prosecutors the gift that keeps on giving, and not just mueller but the southern district of new york, the manhattan district attorney's office. it's not hard to imagine years worth of work that could be done by prosecutors investigating the trump organization's finances with, you know, michael cohen as kind of the, you know, the guide to show them the way. >> so this is friday night's news in washington, and we've done the law, the lies and the congress. what i want to do now is actually take a moment and look at where we are on this friday night with the whole week. because i will be the first to admit sometimes we are always chasing the latest in this very unusual political environment. and we miss the larger context. and so for that, i set aside a little time to bring in one of our friends and a long time
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analyst, howard fineman, here to msnbc, with a very particular brief which is not the last six hours or last 24, but how do you make sense of what is turning right now over the last week or two because i feel something happening? >> well, if i was at the old news week magazine we would right now be discussing what the cover line was, and we thought we were doing the first rough draft of history week by week, so you came to the right person, ari. my cover line would be individual one, which is what donald trump is described as in the recent mueller findings. he's individual one now not just as president but individual one at the absolute center of everything else that is going on legally. when he answered some questions in writing, he put his own first draft of history on the books legally.
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the problem he has is that robert mueller has spent the last year and a half gathering facts designed to assess the credibility and the truthfulness of what donald trump said in those -- on those pieces of paper. and because i think there are going to be major conflicts between that, between the president's story and everybody else's story, that makes him the story of the week in a way we've been covering over the last year the slow gathering process of mueller working from the outside in and from the bottom to the top. we're now reaching the top of the mountain, and there sits individual one. >> and so when you see the president react this way on the scale of premeditated, can he, ready for everything because he's conned of lot of individuals his whole life, at the end of the day he had a plan to get out from under it or do
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you see someone who's underreacting emotionally? >> i covered him when he was out and about as a businessman and toying with politics and i saw him on the campaign trail a lot in 2015 and 2016, and i've spent time with him and i think his confidence is shaken. and thought that when i saw him yesterday on his way to the helicopter giving one of the most confused and out of balance and unconfident answers that i've seen him giving by way of explanation of what the news that had come out that day. and i think the fact that we're talking about the very innermost circle, not just manafort and not just stone, but now jared kushner and now even his daughter, ivanka, surfacing in some of these questions, that's got him off his props. and the other thing is this. don't forget at the beginning of all this donald trump said, look, look at this if you want,
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i don't like it, but stay away from my business. my business is the red line here. remember he drew that red line early on. that line has been obliterated because the whole mueller theory from the beginning has been to look at the financial relationships of donald trump and russian oligarchs, to look for motivation for collusion, cooperation, whatever you want. and now he realizes that every last thing about his business going back years with the russians is going to be out there for public view at some point between now and a year from now. >> and you raise a more profound question, which is what happens to a confidence man when he's out of confidence? >> well, i think we're getting close to seeing that. and i think if rudy is telling him, rudy giuliani is saying don't worry, we got this, i think at this point donald trump doesn't think anybody's got this. and the more he talks about weak people around him, the more i
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think in a way -- donald trump psychology here, he's worried about his own ability to stand up here. the pressure of the presidency in any circumstance is almost beyond anybody's ability to bear. with this kind of scrutiny coming down on him now it's going to be interesting to see what he himself is made of. >> the same question, if he is a con man and a confidence man, how does he go forward now? >> i think it's all about the family. i think the threat to don junior, to ivanka, drives him crazy. i think he will do anything. >> i think he thinks his main risk is impeachment, and it isn't. because unless you have 20 republicans in the senate, forget about conviction and being tossed out of office. so i think that's misplaced and i think he spends his days escaping. he was tweeting and watching television at the g-20 summit.
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>> which you don't need to go to the g-20 summit for. you can just stay home. >> and he actually stayed home from the christmas tree lighting the other day. that seems a small thing, but what other president has not taken part in the christmas tree lighting? >> well, i teach constitutional law and i think the question comes down to accountability here. we also have whitaker not putting the brakes on this process. it looks like the mueller investigation is going on without his interference. that's really important. and the second piece is we now have a congress that's going to flip, and we might see more perjury investigations in that regard. >> a lot here on this table. thank you very much. eleanor cliff, you are back for a special fall back friday at the end of the night. it's friday, we still have a little fun. coming up the kremlin saying trump and putin will meet after all. what does that mean? meanwhile russian military intel also linked to that fiasco. this is an original and exclusive reporting. and yes, a washington fall back
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announced they wouldn't meet, consider that even if trump's lies about doing business in moskow are not proven to be crimes, they are still a massive scandal implicating u.s. national security. with kremlin veterans shepherding trump aides on the deal "the new york times" reports today and russia have trump coordinating their false cover story. so right now let's dig into the national security. i'm joined by retired lieutenant colonel ralph peters. rachel maddow explaining why this is huge problem for the u.s. regardless of the legal piece of it. >> what we now know, what mueller knows is that the president during the campaign in 2016 he was secretly trying to arrange what would probably have been the largest deal of his life in russia through the contact of the kremlin. he was trying to do this business deal while the kremlin was orchestrating a military intelligence attack by the gru
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on our election to help trump win. >> you hear that description? >> yes. >> let's assume for the sake of argument that it all proves to be legal. what are the national security implications in your view? >> well, first of all i'm the wrong guy to ask because i believe that treason is illegal. and to me this is treason. i know -- ari, short of nuclear war, general war, i can't imagine a more serious national security threat than a u.s. president who is compromised or a candidate for the presidency compromised by the most hostile foreign power we face. now, all of that said if there's ever a film made about the trump administration, it's got to be done by the -- brothers because this is going into the realm of the absurd. today was the first time i laughed out loud this whole mess when i found that the trump gang trying to work this deal in moskow through
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a russian spy general named -- but on a saner side of things, this is how you do things in russia and they were clearly trying every track. and i think it's because trump's ego got so involved in this moskow project, it became his great white whale. he began to buy or seduce his way from scotland to atlantic city or back again but he couldn't crack moskow. >> you're saying this is like the cohen's brothers movie and if this tower was so central, i'm wondering if trump tower moskow is the rug in big labowski which tied the room together. >> i think it is. he seems to have become
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>> fixated. >> -- with getting a trump tower lost perspective. because one thing he always had through his bankruptcies he had some perspective of what made sense business wise. it appears that trump tower moskow wasn't even good business sense, but he had to have it. this was the great white whale he could not find. >> well, you're referring to the potential erotic overtones of the skyscraper, and there are these people who become obsessed with having this tallest building. i don't know where it comes from. it's not necessarily more profitable because it's taller. >> it suggests an inadequacy to me. >> that you see potentially manifesting. i want to play for your analysis donald trump in 2016 because one of the problems with this is now all of these lies even when exposed, they still played a role in getting him where he
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wanted to go at the time. and so now we can look back with more clarity knowing what we know tonight that he was actually pursuing this deal, that he was directly involved in it, that ivanka trump was talking about picking the architect. and here's donald trump on the campaign trail. here's him praising putin as he seeks kremlin help. >> he's running this country and at least he's a leader unlike what we have in this country. putin comes out, he says donald trump is brilliant, he's doing an amazing job and he's leading the pack. okay, that's nice. putin says very nice things about me, i think that's very nice. it has no effect on me other than i think it's very nice. if we get along with russia, that's very good. >> was he speaking for american interests as a candidate who wanted to run this country then or was he speaking for his secret personal interests? >> well, he's certainly speaking for his personal interests, but there are two groups of trump
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supporters that continue to bewilder me. why is it the fundamentalist christians that follow this false messiah, but we'll set them aside for a second. these rad cap people who believe donald trump is a patriot. can any of them believe donald trump really puts this country first? i go back to a line she sang, she sang i'd rather have my country die for me. to me that is donald trump. i personally do not believe he would sacrifice his life to save the lives of 330 million americans. he'd put himself first. i think he'd put himself before his wife. this is man who has no value system, who lives totally in the moment. he's infantile, it's about immediate satisfaction. so the americans who have deluded themselves that this man is trying collude with the russians, who worships dictators and murderers and thugs, that
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this man is a patriot, i'm sorry, i don't buy it. >> it means a lot coming from someone who has taken those risks. it also speaks to his canny strategy, because this is a man who's used the word nationalism to try to get people to criticize on the idea he puts america too first, when in fact as you just exposed that wasn't what he was doing on the campaign with what we've learned. your debut on fall back friday, i'm looking forward to it. thank you, sir. we're going to do a special report as i mentioned with an exclusive guest when we're back in just 30 seconds.
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elections have consequences and the record breaking blue wave is changing who runs that building behind me tonight. democrats will not only control what bills come to floor, but they will have new powers, of course, to investigate the trump white house. there are already 85 issues dems want to probe like trump's ties to russia where adam schiff plans to push the white house more than devin nunes did, but trump doesn't follow norms. we know that. what if the trump administration just defies these new democratic chairs? well, that's where subpoena power comes in, and these democrats say they will use that power if need be. >> we will make sure that matt whitaker immediately, one of our
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birs orders of business will be to invite him and if necessary make him appear before the democratic committee. >> i've spoken to a source that says tonight breaking news, they do intend to request president trump's tax returns. >> they go to the very heart of our democracy and protecting that democracy. >> so in each of those examples forcing whitaker to testify, getting trump's tax returns, demanding information from trump aides to protect democracy, the democrats will make demands to the trump administration. it can cooperate or it can refuse. and after refusal, well, that's where the key legal fight comes. because to enforce a subpoena these democratic chairs, they can't act all on their own. they need the expected speaker of the house, nancy pelosi, to use her power to sue the trump administration to enforce those subpoenas. this is key when dealing with any existent white house. congress when you think about it
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they can throw all the letters and subpoenas they want at a white house. but to enforce a subpoena, then a speaker has to deploy the general council and take it to court. pelosi and that council, look, they're not going to file 100 lawsuits over resisted subpoenas. that wouldn't even be responsible. it would certainly undercut their credibility in the federal courts in washington and potentially the supreme court where these battles can be decided. so when january comes pelosi and her council are going to pea making some very big decisions about which subpoenas and which demands are worth fighting over. russia, the trump organization, trump's tax returns. and remember all those debates over pelosi's experience? well, these intricate battles, they're not always front page nightly news kind of stuff. this is back room stuff, but she has done it before. and when she did it before, she won.
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in fact, when pelosi was speaker in 2008 she made history with the first order of the house council who you'll see on your screen there, to formally sue the bush administration on behalf of the u.s. house over yes, defying a subpoena. the conflict was something that could play out again with this administration because it involved bush officials refusing to testify, citing executive privilege, which is something of course trump has already instructed the aides to do even when facing a republican house on russia. pelosi combated that move by instructing her house council to sue on behalf of congress. and the issue in that very case may also sound familiar. it involved criticism that that white house was trying to politicize the justice department after bush officials mysteriously ousted seven federal prosecutors. dems investigated and subpoenaed to get answers, and then the bush cover story started to fall apart. >> white house officials struggled to contain the fallout from this story as it became
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clear that it was the white house that first suggested firing the country's top prosecutors. >> and that fallout wasn't very well contained. the white house, they kept initially trying to defy the house requests the key staff testify as attorney general gonzalez sealed his own fate in a disastrous hearing where he claimed under oath he couldn't remember anything. >> i have no recollection of the meeting. >> it's not that long ago, it's an important issue and that's troubling to me. >> i don't know a decision was made at that meeting. >> how can you remember making a decision? >> senator, i recall making a decision. >> when? >> sir, i don't recall when the decision was made. i don't recall him speaking to me about that, sir? >> it didn't happen, it did happen or you don't recall. you can't remember that conversation? >> senator, i don't think that
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conversation happened. >> it was so bad that gonzalez faced calls to resign from both parties. >> i believe that the best way to put this behind us is your resignation. >> i urge you to reexamine the purchase and for the good of the department and for the good of the country, step down. >> that congressional and public pressure ultimately pushed gonzalez out. >> he leaves a justice department which by his own admission was demoralized. >> that was part of a victory, but democrats in congress still wanted to get to the bottom of the scandal of what really happened. so pelosi kept up that lawsuit to enforce the subpoenas against white house officials. it was a chief of staff and white house counsel. well, the white house resisted and claimed as i mentioned executive privilege. they said that should trump any congressional demand. so who was right? well, this is pretty important right now. pelosi's aggressive legal
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strategy took that case to court where a house won. a federal judge ruling that the subpoena was valid, those aides somebody testify, they did not have quote absolute immunity from subpoena from dispute. because trump, well, he's not a typical president. no other president has fought this hard to hide what you see there, his tax returns. so if democrats use the federal law empowering the house to demand his tax returns from the treasury department and the secretary there defies that law and that request, well, then dems may need pelosi to get the house counsel to sue over it, just like her past counsel, led that notorious fight to sue the bush administration over those subpoenas. now, this is all offstage and a little in the weeds, but sometimes the most important action in this town is offstage
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and in the weeds. and to know how these fights will unfold next year, you have to know how pelosi and her counsel think, how they strategies this stuff, which makes that lawyer i mentioned, a pretty fascinating back room player right now. i wonder how he would advise the democrats in all this. well, wonder no longer. i'm very excited to tell you tonight our exclusive guest on "the beat" is former counsel to house speaker pelosi. first, thank you so much for coming on "the beat?" . >> i'm honored to be here. >> if the trump administration resists requests or subpoenas from the democratic house, what are the keys in your view to winning that battle in your experience? >> well, the first thing, let me say that i think that the inc
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incoming democratic chairman of the committees, i think they're going to do an excellent job in having the hearings, and they're going to get other witnesses, third party witnesses, so they'll have a full set of information to provide. and they'll be very good hearings. but the question you raise is what if you subpoena high white house aides or white house documents and they who don't have much respect for the rule of law refuse to comply with the subpoenas? they are actually three ways to deal with a recousrecuse trnt w, and one is to put them -- well, there's not a jail. that's not going to happen for a variety of reasons. >> keep moving forward. >> okay, the second way is to ask the department of justice to prosecute under a statute that
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makes contempt of congress a felony, and that's not going to happen either because the department of justice is not going to prosecute when the administration is calling the shots. and so the only option left is the option that nancy pelosi led when she was a speaker and the bush administration as you were describing, and that's the vote accord, and seek an order compelling compliance with the subpoena. and obviously failure to do that puts you in contempt of court -- >> contempt of court means you could go to a real jail. >> exactly. >> so what is the key here given how many areas there are? what advice would you give your former boss, speaker pelosi, who knows all about this if you want to get ahead of it? >> first they need to set the information and get prepared for it. you need to make a record that you've tried to accommodate the person and, you know, and you have votes in the house to
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compel compliance, to have contempt and then to authorize litigation. >> so you have to give them a chance? you have to go in and say we want the tax returns day one, by this date, they refuse, here's a subpoena, they refuse, then you take them to court? >> exactly. >> which area would you hit on based on your experience? >> well, you need to show a good predicate for going to court, that you've exhausted -- >> would you go after the tax returns, the trump orb -- you can't do everything at once? >> you have to prioritize. i wouldn't presume to tell the house what is the most important thing, but you need to keep it to one or two items you want to obtain. >> while i have you, i want to ask you one other thing. speaker pelosi knows all about these because you worked with her on it, is she thinking about who to put in that role and what kind of strategist? >> i believe she is. i don't really understand the opposition by the democrats.
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she's very experienced, very savvy. >> who do you think she's going to pick for this role? >> i have no idea. >> have you spoken to her team? >> i have spoken to her team. i know they have a lot of very good candidates, and they're thinking about a really experienced litigator. >> and how soon do you expect we should see a court battle like this begin? >> i think it should begin quickly because litigation takes quite a lot of time. and we got very lucky with the bush administration because it was in 2008 and we got an order in the summer of 2008 and a new administration came in 2009 and wanted to work a compromise and we did that. but if they had a chance to take an appeal and to pursue the appeal to the end and go to the supreme court with it, they could have dragged it out for more than two years, and that's why i think the house needs to start this very promptly after it comes in january. >> so your take away is that the speaker who you work with can get right on this so they lay a
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foundation to get to court. i'm going to fit in a break, but you were also that rare bird in washington, a washington lawyer who says that your victory which was precedent making, was lucky. a modest lawyer in washington. >> thank you. >> mr. nathan, thank you for joining us and telling us about your work. we will be right back with fall back friday. junior achievement reaches young people all over the world to prepare them for the future of work. we go into classrooms and we teach entrepreneurial skills and leadership skills. when you actually create a business when you're in your teens, it raises your self-confidence. junior achievement is really unique because they inspire young people to think creatively. the citi foundation's pathways to progress initiative helped us reach kids in over 50 countries. citi has also loaned us their executives and their employees to help us deliver our programs.
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it's friday on "the beat," so it's time to fall back. joining me tonight actor boris mcgiver from netflix "house of cards," a show i've made a guest appearance on before where he plays tom hammerschmidt, the chief editor of the washington herald. >> what do you want me to say? >> you picked it up here in the office, it's not confirmed. but it seems like a story. go ahead and print it.
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and i have no idea you're doing this. >> and i'm joined again by retired army lieutenant colonel ralph peters. he's published 30 books, but also in the 1960s he was a punk rock guitarests and he had a photo with the leather witch, and eleanor cliff, who's only written six books. you know colonel peters. but also i'd like to mention famous and cameoed as herself in the movie "independence day" as well as murphy brown. there's the peters shot. that's you. >> give you a juvenile delinkquent, and tell me that guy didn't -- >> who needs to fall back? >> i think the critics of
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alexandria cortez need to fall back a bit on how they criticize him, they're just looking silly and stupid because she's attempting to do exactly what she was brought there to do, and their criticizing for doing it and now they're just looking silly. >> and talking about whou show looks or dresses. >> it's absurd. >> fall back, i hear that. colonel? >> i've got to be a downer because my fall back is john bolton. who i actually like personally, but this week his callus and idotic comments when asked had he listen today the murder tape, the khashoggi tape, ari, you learn a great deal from listening to the dying screams of someone being tortured to death, to listening to the gloating of the executioners. so i was utterly repelled by
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that. we all need to hear that tape. >> i appreciate you bringing that, and i'm going to say on behalf of the fall back panel, that's going to be i think the most serious place we go. eleanor, can you lighten us up on this friday night? who needs to fall back? >> i have to start with the problem solvers caucus, which is really it's 14 members of congress, mostly representing swing districts. and they are objecting to nancy pelosi, and they're creating problems by carrying their fight beyond the point where it makes any sense. she's going to be speaker. but i had another more personal problem this week. >> let's hear it. eleanor getting personal. >> that is i've had cats all my life. my father had a delicatessen, we've had a working cat all the time. i've never had a cat that couldn't regulate its appetite. i now have two fat cats. i adopted them from a rescue
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organization. actual cats. and they were big when i got them, but they've gotten bigger since april. one now weighs 17 pounds. >> and you're telling them to fall back. >> i'm telling them to fall back and the pet food manufactures to fall back. you can find the calorie count if you have excellent eyes and a magnifying glass. and there are like 87 to 100 calories in a little tiny can, and they eat four cans a day. >> when you say fat cats need to fall back, you sound like elizabeth warren, and i think you're talking about wall street. >> i like that. >> it was a political joke and that's okay. boris, who else needs to fall back? >> i've been thinking about payless, and it's ad campaign they did when they formed a new
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brand called paylessy. it's a fake pop up and they opened up a store that, forgive me, i think this is in l.a. somewhere and they invited all these rich people. there it is. they they bring all these rich fat cats to come and buy their shoes that were $20 bucks for hundreds if not thousands of dollars. i say to these people with a little too much money in their hand and not enough important this i think so to do. fall back. >> fall back. >> and the name band culture stuff and overprice luxury. i love it. i love this panel. >> it's crying out to be rebranded by trump. >> well, maybe he'll get busy with that at some point. >> bore risks colonel peters, eleanor, my thanks, to each of you. you have always been to our house of cards on netflix. we'll be right back.
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that does it for this episode of "this beat." i will see you back here. don't go anywhere, "hardball" with chris matthews is up next. surrounded. let's play "hardball." [ music playing ] good evening, i'm chris matthews from washington. in the wake of michael collins explosive plea hearing, they are venting anger down to the g20 summit in argentina, referring to the real estate project in moscow that cohen lied about, trump tweeted, oh, i get it! i am a very good developer, happily living my life, when i see our country going in the wrong direction, to put it


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