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purposes, i think they will turn rather quickly. obviously he'll find somebody else to blame, but this is somebody who ran for office saying that he was a good businessman, that he was in fact a genius, that he knew how to do this, so when you have some of the top business leaders in the country that will turn on him and say i don't think that's the case, i think we're going to have a very different narrative, and i think we know how trump will respond to that. >> his business, the trump organization, maybe a couple people all said, not certainly parallel to the fortune 500 businesses that most are familiar with. chris, cheri jacobus, if we have anymore video we'll get straight to that. i'm richard lui at nbc headquarters, our coverage will continue as we remember the life and legacy of george h.w. bush. i don't need to make anymore
statements. i'm not writing a biography. let the historians decide what i screwed up and what i got right. i hope it comes in favor of the latter category but, you know, who knows, and who cares, because history is going to do that anyway, and i don't need to shape it by a self-serving book, and i'm content with what i am, and who i am now, and i'm content with being yes on the silent. >> the 41st president there, passing away last night at his home in houston, texas, at 10:00 p.m. mr. bush lived a full life and according to long time friend and former secretary of state james baker, bush was ready for heaven. the "the new york times" interviewed baker about his final moments with bush, quote, mr. bush suddenly grew alert, his eyes wide open, where are we going, bake, he asked. we're going to heaven, mr. baker answered. that's where i want to go, said the president. 13 hours later, mr. bush was dead.
let's bring in nbc news kron correspondent tammy leitner in college station, texas, where people are coming out to pay their respects. there's not only the question of funeral arrangements and thousands who would like to pay their respects, there's the comments they are sharing with you, as they remember james baker said, a very sweet, if there could be a sweet ending, a sweet ending to a long life of public service. >> yeah, exactly, richard, and let me give you an idea of what the next couple of days are going to look like. his remains will be transported monday morning, he'll lie in wait at the capitol rotunda. his funeral will be in houston and he will be buried here about a hundred yards from the library and museum that he loved so much. i'm going to give you a quick little tour here. this is a replica of camp david. one of the reasons this is so significant is that president
bush loved camp david. he made sure he went there every christmas, and he did this so that he could give his security detail the day off. always thinking of others, and this is a picture from his daughter's wedding at camp david, and a funny story behind it is president bush forgot his suit for the wedding, so the story goes he pulled out the only thing he had in his closet which was a pair of white pants. president bush really was known for his foreign policy decisions during his presidency. they defined him, as a matter of fact, and one thing that was very important to him was seeing the berlin wall come down. that did happen during his presidency. this is an actual piece of the berlin wall, not a replica. this was given to him by west germany's prime minister as a token of gratitude. now, we have been speaking with people all day who have been here paying their respects. this is andy, and andy, you told me you have a very special connection to president bush. >> i do. as president bush went to the hospitaler and -- helicopter and
waved, lifted off from the white house, i made phone calls already to find out where he lived. and i waited for him for hours to tell him how much i loved him, and how much we appreciate him. >> you thought it was important today to come out here and pay your respects. >> absolutely, and take my children here, my wife, and make sure they understood that this is how much he meant to me and this country. >> thank you very much, andy, appreciate it! thank you. >> and richard, people have been coming out here, thousands of people all day lining up even before the museum opened and as i mentioned, ultimately this is where he will be laid to rest, and people will be able to come out and visit their burial site and pay their respects once that happens. richard. >> an amazing tribute there, tammy of what president george h.w. bush had done, and all the important artifacts along the way, along his trip of public service throughout the year. tammy leitner at the hws presidential library and museum. i would like to go to larry
king, host of "larry king now" . you have interviewed over the years this president many many times. what stands out to you, and as we try to look forward, you heard what tammy, and what one of i should say supporters of h.w. bush was saying, he had to meet this individual that meant so much to him. >> he had grace and class, richard. he was a special guy. he put his country first over party, and welcomed, there was no one like him. he was terrific as a friend he was great. i had so many, i had the honor
of mcing his 80th birthday party when five world leaders were there, and his son, the president was there. it was a great night at minute maid park in houston. i'll tell you a quick story about the kind of guy he was. about two months before his 80th birthday, i had lunch with him in houston, and he said to me, remember my grandson, pierce. i said, sure, pierce came on my show at the convention when bush was first nominated for president. he said, well, pierce is graduating high school now. and he's going to go to, try to go to georgetown in washington. do you know anybody at georgetown? and i said, well, i know the head of the law department because he went to the same high school i did. and then president bush asked if i would write a letter to
georgetown on behalf of his grandson, pierce. i said of course, and then i said, rnaren't you going to cal him. and he said, well, i don't know anybody there. and i said well you're president bush. he said, yeah, well it would be improper. >> that is the kind of individual he was, as so many have said, and as we look forward here very quickly, larry, what would be the line you would say to the next generation of public servants that he represented to them? what is the instructive lesson he gave to future public servants? >> that your country comes first. everything else in your political life is second. yes, you're a republican or a democrat, but your country comes first. there was no one like him,
richard. we'll not see his likes again. >> broadcast legend larry king, thank you, sir, for calling in over the years as you have had so many conversations with him, it's great to get your context and perspective. thank you again. >> thank you. >> thank you, sir. thank you. joining me now is michael -- and john mclaughlin, msnbc global affairs analyst. michael he held that point in history, didn't he, and you have said this before, during the late 80s and 90s that were so crucial to our country and, youyou know, i reflect in a short amount of time. you reflect in the entire history of our country and presidents and for me, being in that period of, again, the end of the cold war, you know, and seeing those pictures with him leading us through the end of that difficult time. >> well, you know, and you and i have talked about this richard, more than once, this is a guy who almost did not put a foot
wrong. he comes to power in the beginning of 1989. ronald reagan had gotten mikel gorbachev to sign a nuclear arms treaty, interrange missiles, had done things to begin to end the cold war. the berlin wall was still up. eastern europe was locked in the soviet orbit, and it fell to george bush to coax goto bring to completion. saddam hussein invades kuwait. george bush knew what this meant in the first test of the cold war world, a un member has been invaded and the george bush goes saying i know you're anxious about the after math of vietnam, which is a tragedy and a failure, but it's worthwhile to send americans around the globe to defend a country you may not have heard of and then conducts a six-week successful war.
>> and john, in another point in history for those who are watchers, which two of you are, is the important role he played at the cia, and some place you know quite well, during difficult times. >> yes, i was a brand new employee at the cia back in the 1970s when george bush became the cia director. and he did so in the midst of two controversies, the first was great investigations that were carried out at that time, exposing some things the cia did that created great consternation and so forth. second, he was also just prior to that, head of the republican party, and the feeling at the agency initially was well, is it a good idea to put a politician in charge of us. he quickly dispelled two things, he dispelled the concern about the cia by virtue of his own leadership and his presence and his assurance, and within the
cia, he dispelled any concern that he was too political to do that. in fact, he was a breath of fresh air. he walked the halls, he was accessible to employees. i recall being among a group of brand new employees who were taken up to his office on a saturday morning for a cup of coffee and a chat with him for about an hour, and he really quickly won over the place and lifted its spirits and left it a much better place than he found it, even though he was there only a year, and to this day, he's very revered there. just a few moments ago, a group of 16 former cia directors and deputy directors issued a statement that basically said he was the north star for all of us in terms of how we conducted our leadership. so in that capacity, he displayed all of the qualities that people have been lauding him for in the last couple of
hours. >> michael, talk about north stars, will h.w. bush be known as time goes by as a north star of conservatism? >> not as a north star of conservatism. he was temperamentally a moderate. he moved to the conservative direction, sometimes pretty abruptly, as a condition of getting on ronald reagan's presidential ticket in 1980, he had to immediately decide to no longer be pro choice and also had to accept supply side economics, but he will probably represent to most people, you know, the moderate wing of the republican party, the new england wing that once existed in the republican party and at least at the moment is really a v vestige. >> you probably saw this as sxi jinping and president trump are meeting, one has to think about the very different approaches of seeing the world today and what
that might mean when it comes to foreign affairs? >> yeah, one of the memories i have of the bush administration is how well it worked on foreign policy. i was frequently in the situation room with that foreign policy team that he had and what came across was mutual trust among all of those people, the efficiency with which they approached these problems, and frankly, the gravity and the magnitude of the problems they were dealing with. there was not only the berlin wall coming down. it is tiennamen square, negotiations with the soviets over nuclear ones and the start one was signed under bush, reducing nuclear weapons by about 30%, and of course the gulf war, so this was a tumultuo tumultuous time when just a slight slip up, the world could have been a very nasty place, and he had a very sure touch for getting us through this period of time, building relationships
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i met him on numerous occasions. he was just a high quality man who truly loved his family. he was very proud of his family, and very much loved his family, so he was a terrific guy, and he'll be missed and he led a full life, and very exemplary life. >> president trump paying tribute to former president george h.w. bush. he was there at the g. 20 summit -- g20 summit in argentina today. geoff bennett is traveling with the president. we are looking at the latest developments at the summit, and china is in the headlines again. >> reporter: you're right about that, richard, and president trump and chinese president xi jinping are in the middle of what can be described as the marquee event at the g20, the dinner meeting between the two leaders aimed at finding some way, any way to deescalate the brewing trade war between the two countries. president trump the aides and advisers have sounded optimistic that the dinner is going to produce some results.
it's not entirely clear what informs that optimism or if that optimism is entirely warranted. we heard president trump saying s say today that the two men, he and xi have a good relationship. the u.s. and china have been talking past each other in these negotiations, so here's a bit more of what president trump had to say when reporters were let into the room. take a look. >> we'll be discussing trade. and i think at some point we are going to end up doing something that is great for china and great for the united states, and i look very much forward for the dinner, very much forward to the discussions and discussions after, but the relationship is very special. the relationship that i have with president xi, and i think that is going to be a very primary reason why we'll probably end up getting something that will be good for china and good for the united states. >> now, people close to the president tell me that he
believes his tough, unconventional negotiating style is what really helped bring canada and mexico to the table to work out that revamped nafta deal what the president calls u.s. mca, he believes he'll have an underhand in these talks with xi. i'm told the president has been rattled by the stock market guy rations by the -- gyrations, a loss of thousands of jobs from gm. there's also news about this informal interaction the president had with vladimir putin. the white house put out a statement saying that the president had informal interactions with lots of world leaders at this dinner, include with putin. the kremlin put out a statement of their own and described the interaction as a meeting between the two men. our colleague hallie jackson was in the room there. she asked president trump directly what did you talk about with putin? he chose not to answer it. we'll have to see what results
if anything from that. richard? >> what does the word meeting mean, i guess. nbc's geoff bennett in buenos aires, thank you, sir, i appreciate it, live with the president there. let's bring in michael mcfall, former u.s. ambassador to russia an international affairs analyst. eli sa collins, politics report, and allen smith, nbc news political reporter as well. ambassador, let's start with you, what's in the meeting? well, there are different kinds of meetings. when i worked in the government, you have formal bilateral sessions where you stitt doit du have dinners, that's a higher level and then the russians have this phrase, which is on your feet kind of meeting, and that's the meeting that they are describing in their press that the president had with president trump, but it sounds like it was somewhat substantiative, and putin has reported out in his press conference that everybody acted very calmly. that's the word he used.
he emphasized to the events this the kurd strait and said nobody was overreacting or criticizing russia for what they did when they attacked those ukrainian vessels. >> and the meeting was called off between vladimir putin, at least the official meeting, and president trump. now we're hearing, yes, they did have a meeting, at least we're hearing from the russian side from the u.s. side it was an interaction, if you will. what do we make of that, this, based on what the ambassador was discussing, we have troops lining up on the ukrainian board with russia. >> president trump cancelled the meeting after the news about his former attorney michael cohen broke late last week. >> thursday, right. >> he called off the meeting, and he said that he wasn't going to discuss anything about ukraine as originally planned. one has to wonder if that discussion, whether it was a
meeting or something informal as both sides clearly have a different version of events, one has to wonder if more of that discussion was focussed on what's going on in ukraine or if president trump, you know, wanted to talk a little bit offhand about what's going on with mueller's russia investigation, obviously. >> one has to wonder, eliza collins as i'm reading the news and reporting coming in, again, this is not 8,000, 800 or 80. this is reportedly 80,000 troops on a border between two countries where we have had headlines come out in recent years, crimea, not too long ago, right, as we look at this president meeting with, again, vladimir putin. should this be a bigger story right now? >> well, it is a big story, and it's interesting that the white house said they originally called off the meeting because they had concerns about this. of course to the earlier point, this was also right after the michael cohen news, so it is interesting that the president said we're concerned about this,
we're calling off the meeting, and went ahead and had the stand up huddle, however you define the meeting, with putin anyway. >> and it still happened. michael mcfall, we have been showing some video as well, as you saw here, and that is of xi jinping, and we have been talking about vladimir putin. let's go to xi jinping right now. as you were watching this, having prepared and sat in such bilaterals, the united states on one side, the other country on the other, what did you take away from that video that we were showing a little bit earlier with what was said, and the body language and what you know of the preparations? >> well, president trump has signalled, as he did in the clip you just played again, that he wants a deal, that he wants to diffuse this, that he wants to walk away from a trade war or worse yet, a cold war with the chinese. so that signals to me that that's going to be the outcome. now, whether it is in reality, right, what they actually accomplish is different, but i'm
almost certain that's the way the outcome of the meeting is going to be described. >> allen what's at risk in that meeting? you heard ambassador mcfall say cold war, potentially, it's been written about as well, explosion of a trade war, come monday we could see a wall street completely dive again. >> so look, trade has been president trump's signature issue, really for decades, this is something when his political career was really first becoming something of a headline sensation, he really kept the same viewpoint on trade the whole time. what this means for china is this is something that he, you know, used in his run for the white house since then, fighting china on trade. is he going to find a deal that he views as acceptable, not only to himself and to the country, but something that he can take to his supporters and say, look, this is what i promised and this is what i'm delivering. this is, you know, the kind of deal that i wanted. he's going to be, in my mind, very reluctant to make a deal with china until he gets the terms he's looking for.
>> we take a look at another important issue here, eliza collins, when we look at, again, the environment, and as geoff bennett was saying a little bit earlier, you're all three very familiar with, they might work together on and put out after, it is basically 19 plus one when it comes to the environment, and that's all the other g20 and then the united states, eliza collins. >> exactly. the united states has not agreed to this paris climate agreement and that puts us at odds with 19 other developed countries this comes after multiple reports saying the effects of climate change are drastic. the president has pushed back, said he had doubts about that, coming from his own administration, so right now it's basically the united states government versus the rest of the developed world on climate change. >> which his supporters do support in this president. michael mccall, thank you so much for your time. eliza collins, and allen smith
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tonight texans are mourning the loss of president h.w. bush, flowers, and candles are being laid at his presidential library and museum in college station, texas. let's go to nbc's garrett haake who is there live in houston, texas. what kind of tributes are happening there in his hometown? >> reporter: hey, richard, yeah, the city of houston has been george bush's hometown twice, first when he represented it in congress, and then returning back to the city after he left the white house. he's really come to identify with the city, and the city with the bush family. i'm joined now by houston's mayor, sylvester turner who can answer that question pretty well. talk to me about what the city plans to do to honor the memory of the former president? ? >> there will be a public celebration this coming monday, starting in front of city hall at 7:00 p.m. we invite all houstonians and people in the region to come
out, and let's celebrate this person who authored the thousand points of light. >> reporter: i think about the axiom of somebody who wasn't born in texas but got here as soon as he could. he identified with the sports and food and culture. talk to me about that relationship between the president and the city. >> let me just say, he and his family, they championed the city of houston. the president, yes, head of the cia, yes, but he was also the congressperson from this area, after he was president, they came right back to the city of houston. they were the states persons, they were our neighbors. you would see them in a restaurant, both george and barbara, not in a private room, but out in the open. they took pictures with people. they were respectful and apprecia appreciative to the waiters. during baseball season, usc george, barbara bush, right behind home plate. i sat with them several times.
one special moment for me, when we hosted the super bowl, you know, both of them had been in the hospital for quite some time, but they were determined to be a part of the super bowl celebration in the city of houston, and when the time of the super bowl, they were both at the 50 yard line. she was standing right by his side, and he was waving, for all of us it symbolized the resilience of the city of houston. houston's strong. >> reporter: houston has lost a lot in the past year. barbara bush, the texans, bob mcnair passing, the president passing last night. how do you move forward? we are only a year past the hurricane which was such a huge deal, too. >> we move forward because they laid such a strong foundation. these are iconic individuals, iconic personalities. they are a reflection of the city of houston and who we are. we are who we are because our foundation is strong, and george and barbara bush, for example, the mcnair's have laid a
foundation upon which we can buildme build. behind, you see all of the buildings representing downtown. you can't build those type of buildings unless the foundation is secure, and because of people like george bush, barbara bush, bob mcnair, the city will grow bigger, we're houston strong, we're very resilient because they reflected our greatest values, and look he was the president of the united states. but he didn't look at people differently if they were black, white, or brown, rich or poor. houstonians embrace him. he was a republican, but he never separated people because they were democrats or republican. so in the city, everyone, and i'm a democrat, and a strong democrat, but everyone is mourning for his loss, and we are praying and uplifting his family. this family, george and barbara bush have been so good to the city of houston, the state of texas, and the united states as
a whole. >> mayor turner we're going to have to leave it there. richard, that tells you the story of a person who adopted the city as a hometown, and the city taking the family right back. >> an american first as the mayor has described h.w. bush. thank you so much, great interview there in houston, texas, there with the mayor remembering the loss of george h.w. bush. special counsel robert mueller looking to throw more charges at the president's former campaign manager paul manafort after he breached his plea deal. we have details next.
this week has seen associates of president trump mired in block buster legal developments. special counsel robert mueller's team refusing to rule out new charges against paul manafort, this after he allegedly broke his plea deal with mueller. and president trump's former personal attorney michael cohen pleaded guilty thursday to lying to congress and falsely down playing trump's effort to build a trump tower in moscow. joining me now is anna, seth atenna, joyce advance, former u.s. attorney professor of alabama school of law and an nbc news contributor. anna, you have just had a conversation. you just sat down, and we're going to get to the pieces of news i just brought up, but you have some news yourself because you just met with the lawyer of donald trump jr., and that's important because of the developments of what happened with michael cohen on thursday.
i'm going to get to that, but i want to start with what did you learn from your discussion after sitting down with his lawyer, donald trump jr.'s? >> it was really surprising to hear how confident he sounds. he has been very open from day one with mueller's team. so many many months ago, they sent thousands of pages of communications and texts and e-mails to mueller's team, and he feels like they have a good working relationship. so it remains to be seen if there will be an indictment. i mean, he seems confident that there won't be, but what we have seen mueller do is look at communications, even allow witnesses to amend their testimony, and then still come after them, and charge them with lying to investigators after an amended testimony has been given. so we'll see. we really don't know. >> yeah, and the issue here, joyce vance is because of what happened. let's go into that now, on thursday with michael cohen, and this issue of lying, and then
thereon, we are seeing many representatives from congress saying, hey, if you lied to us, we're going to get you, and so therefore where were the conflicts? now is donald trump jr. in the cross hairs? people are asking. >> so certainly there will be scrutiny of his testimony. it's not enough to say that there were lies or omissions. they have to be material to the subject of the investigation. so once that transcript in its entirety is available for mueller's review, a determination will be made. it's not just his testimony up on capitol hill to have trump jr. to have exposure, there's the possibility now, as we move on to scrutiny of the trump moscow deal, that there may be improprieties there, possibly violation of the foreign corrupt practices act or other sorts of issues that might come to light. so i think it's premature to say that he's not in the cross hairs, particularly because it doesn't appear that mueller has
had them in front of the grand jury, and usually it's the targets of investigations who don't go in front of grand juries or come up for questioning. >> questioning seth atenna, and then the answers and what are those answers and the answers so far it seems to be at least from the developments last week and the other previous 560 odd days that there is this background which you have written about is the trump russia relationship, and the president said publicly sometimes that he has nothing to do with russia, never has, never will. and in other cases, he has said that he, or indicated, i should say, intimated that there has been some discussions, two points, it seems everybody connected with trump/russia is lying. paul manafort is lying, michael cohen is lying. michael flint is lying. everybody is lying. they're lying to protect the presidential, and he's maybe the biggest liar of all. second of all, this is the story
i have been trying to tell, what the cohen plea shows to me, this is about money. you know, it's simple as that. donald trump has been chasing a project in russia for decades. >> what kind of money? >> well, we're talking real estate development money. we're talking, you know, his businesses have been set up to facilitate money laundering from russian criminals for years. this goes back to the 1980s through the 90s, i mean, this is, you know, this is an old story, and the trump tower moscow is the shiny toy that russia was dangling in front of him, and he would do anything for that. >> i would just jump in to talk about the trump tower moscow deal that michael cohen was pursuing. now he might have been freelancing to please his boss. he knew that donald trump wants to do deals in russia, he wants to make money. he was the one initiating him and his business partner was felix sater, a convicted felon, as you said, but there were two deals. so michael cohen was pushing
this deal which went on 2015 and into 2016, well into 2016, don jr. testified really about both deals, about that deal that he was only peripherally aware of, according to the testimony, and also another deal, with the agal arob, the father and emen, the son. that was the deal don jr. was more involved in. when i went through carefully looking at the transcript, i actually didn't see too much exposure there because he was forthright about these two deals, and about those dates. he did insinuate that the deal that michael cohen was pushing did go on into 2015 and possibly, well, he said not 2016, but you know, his awareness of it ended around january 2016. >> joyce vance? >> so it will depend, at least for his liability for those statements, whether they prove to be material. and for that, we would have to know a lot of facts that we just
don't know at this point in time. if, in fact, there's nothing illegal about the deal and his lack of awareness or peripheral awareness isn't important, then he's probably in the clear. but if it turns out that the fact of his knowledge about this second effort to build a trump tower in moscow is somehow material to let's say collusion, maybe if the financial dealings are related to moscow's preferred help for the campaign, then he could be in trouble. as with all things legal, it's a little bit tantalizing and it's also really easy to get over your skis. we have to know all of the facts before we have real answers here. >> anna, joyce vance, seth, i owe you one sir, thank you all three. and when we come back, a closer look at the life of president george h.w. bush and his role on the world stage. ♪ ♪ if it feels like you live in the bathroom with recurring constipation and belly pain, talk to your doctor and say yesss! to linzess.
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rati -- moderation. this morning my colleague shared her memories of bush 41 and his service to our country. >> i really admired his humility and his belief in public service and his generosity of spirit, despite the flaws and there are plenty of them to acknowledge, and he might be the spirit, despite the flaws, plenty to acknowledge. he might be the first to acknowledge them. i think of the letter he left to bill clinton who was his political rival, saying he wishes him well, that his success will be our country's success, and that i am rooting for you. >> andrea mitchell there, who covered his white house, and she reflecting on the times since then. and joining me is scott baldwin and susan -- i'll go back, you wrote a piece, george h.w. bush, priegt eyed, there you were, a little bit when you wrote, when
it came to governing, president bush's commitment to the country was unwavering. what i learned early on was that your political views can guide your policies but they should not dictate you how govern. there was that picture of you looking up at age 18. who are young conservatives today going to look up to? >> i don't know. i think that -- and that was the conclusion of the piece is we need leadership in the republican party. we need to show what our values are. i remember a party of free trade. i know my party used to believe in science. where are those american core values that don't think that the enemy of the state is the media, which is absurd of course. and that's the problem that republicans are now facing. there's a lot of us, but we're looking for someone to stand up and really lead us. because right now we have a president, which i never considered a republican to begin with, more of an op por tunnist.
>> scott, i was listening to an interview, garrett haake who was interviewing the mayor of houston, who said i'm a proud, tough, strong democrat. i love george h.w. bush. he was a hid hero, george h.w. bush, to a new generation. >> yeah, to my generation too. i don't know how new i am. i had a chance to meet mr. bush a couple times being a disead.c business leader here. he was a warm, decent human being. the two times i met him, he knew i was a democrat, he said to me, scott, are you a republican yet, because you're a great business leader, i said, i'm still a democrat, but then i'm a kemp democrat. he would laugh about that on both occasions. you felt safe. you knew he was the foreign policy president, the international president and dealt with a lot on the
international front. >> he spoke in '91 during the state of the union about a new world order. you saw as he was running right before then another texan ross perot running against him, he was not necessarily an easy simple conservative times as it was redefining itself, conservatism. >> that's right. as a matter of fact, president bush was in favor of a nafta agreement even though it came under president clinton, and perot slammed him ever chance he could get. but that was when we had the values as a country of free trade, of thinking that if everyone was growing we'd see prosperity and peace. and that's what president bush wanted to see, not just for our country. we didn't just stand alone, but as a nation and part of the world. >> was h.w. here, scott, that new idea of conservatism, the new republican in the late '80s and late '90s, that is now gone, or is it still about to happen? >> well, i certainly hope it's about to happen.
you know, it's interesting that george bush urged bill clinton's success. we want them to succeed. you have those who have stood up against trumpism in the senate, and yet they voted with trump and some of these policies, something like 95% of the time. we've had some, such as our late senator from arizona. but i don't see it happening. and there's nothing wrong with moderation and putting country before party. we don't have enough of that. >> his idea is write a letter. he always thought he was going to get that next vote. >> he wrote thousands of them, from what i understand. >> he did this without -- by -- as a republican president with a democratic congress, his achievements. >> exactly. >> susan del percio, scott baldwin, thank you for your kind words, appreciate it. finally, tonight, a lighter side to the legacy of president george h.w. bush, he was a
self-proclaimed sock man and his style in footwear often times sent a message. for instance, he donned book themed socks at his wife barbara's funeral to honor her lifelong commitment to literacy. he wore vote socks when he cast his early ballot last march for his grandson george p. bush for texas land commissioner. he showed off a pair of socks featuring the face of his one-time political rival president bill clinton when he visited this past summer. bush's daughter dora described her father's flair for footwear in her book "my father my president," it's him making the best of his mobility situation and still finding the joy in life. we'll be right back. once-weekly ozempic®. in a study with ozempic®, a majority of adults lowered their blood sugar and reached an a1c of less than seven and maintained it. oh! under seven? (vo) and you may lose weight.
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that wraps it for me this hour on msnbc. i'm richard lui. you can follow me on facebook and twitter. for now, i turn it over to my colleague david gura. well, it's 5:00 p.m. eastern, and welcome to msnbc's continuing coverage, honoring the passing of the 41st president of the united states, george herbert walker bush, expecting to watch politics nation, he's in south africa celebrating the 100-year anniversary of nelson mandela's
birth. now to the late president who died last night at the age of 94. bush's last words were to his son, george w. bush, who was on speakerphone and said he loved him. i love you too, the 41st president said, soon after he passed away. that from peter baker, msnbc contributor and "new york times" journalist. here is president trump just a short time ago. >> i'll be spending three days of mourning and three days of celebrating a really great man's life. so we look forward to doing that. and he certainly deserves it, he really does. he was a very special person. i spoke with jeb and george today. and we had great conversations, and we -- we discussed actually for quite some time their father and how much they loved him, and how much that he loved them. >> well, the former president had an impressive resume, an ia