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(vo) quick, the quicker picker upper! bounty picks up messes quicker and is two times more absorbent than the leading ordinary brand. (boy) hey look, i got it. bounty, the quicker picker upper. that wraps up this hour. i'm stephanie rule. i'll see you at 1:00 p.m. coming up now, more news with hallie jackson. >> i'm hallie jackson live in washington where this morning getting ready to say good-bye. taking a live look at the funeral home in houston, texas. president george h.w. bush is about to head to washington for the last time. his body will lie in state tonight in the rotunda of the u.s. capitol. his funeral fit for a war hero set for wednesday. his children and grandchildren remember him with what they say made him a great man and lost on no one, the contrast between that president and his party,
the party of the president today. we'll take to you houston live with the former president's casket ready for special air mission 41 this hour. you'll see those images here. the service all week including washington will probably affect a shutdown showdown that was supposed to happen friday if congress doesn't cut a deal. who is the wild card on that and when could it come to a head again if the deadline is extended. we're gearing up for a busy week for special counsel robert mueller. new charges may come against paul manafort and we might learn more about the lies former national security adviser michael flynn told federal agents. we're breaking that down later on in the show with our team here and ready to go on this monday morning and all week long. >> we start, of course, in houston right now where state funeral services are set to begin for the nation's 41st president. the plane usually called air
force one, today special mission air force 41. it's waiting to take former president george herbert walker bush back to washington. his loved ones remember not george bush the president but george bush the patriarch of their family. >> he showed you and me the importance of humility. >> he was thought it was very amusing to make people laugh and to come out in some sort of goofy hat. he loved that. >> i'm sure that every one of his grandchildren thinks he loves them the most. he always makes every person feel so special. ♪ >> kerry sanders is in houston. kerry, tell me what you're seeing on the ground there, the location where president bush's casket is currently sitting. >> reporter: we are on the street here right in front.
this is barring street. inside this fenced off area you have the motorcade, officers from the houston police department who have staged in about 45 minutes or so will begin to take the procession down barring and then on the highway over to ellington field. you can see a few people have started to gather here on the street to pay their respects as the casket goes by. among them here is kathy french. kathy, first of all, your thoughts today as you stand here. >> well i'm a texasrch aen mr&m aggie. but more importantly i'm his neighbor. i know that his work will be felt and remembered and we'll live by the work he did for the
rest of my lifetime, at least. and i just wanted to come and, and say good-bye and put my hand over my heart. we're such a divided nation right now, this statesman that had put his work, his hard work together and then made, i know, we're not supposed to say legacy with his son being president, this is a great time for houston. he was my neighbor. and i'm so happy to say good-bye to him on this beautiful day in houston. >> reporter: i can see that comes from your heart and i thank you very much and i will stand back because i know that this is a personal moment and i appreciate you sharing it with us. that's very much of what we're likely to see throughout this community here and the nation. a sense of how this is such a personal moment and as a nation where so many people are, perhaps, thinking about themselves today, people think about somebody else and they
turn to a procession that will begin here and will wind up in washington before his body is brought back here for burial. >> kerry sanders live for us there in houston. we'll have coverage of all of that starting in just about 40 minutes or so here on this hour and throughout the day on msnbc. this morning once the information president does arrive in washington he'll be typhoon the u.s. capitol where he'll lie in state. then wednesday there's a funeral service at the national cathedral in northwest washington before president bush is taken back to houston where he will lie in repose. on thursday there will be a private family service. after which the 41st president will be laid to rest at his presidential library at texas a&m beside his wife braarbara a his daughter robin. andrew card who served in both bush administrations and john
meacham, presidential historian and author of "destiny and hope." gentlemen, it's a pleasure to have you both on set. john, let me start with you. we were fortunate to have a member of the bush family as part of our family. she shared some stories today on the "today" show in a piece that ran. >> i'll always treasure the special days like this one, spent with my grandfather when my own baby girl got to spend time with grampie. ♪ hold your head up high >> when you start seeing a baby just starting their life like that one, what would you say are the most important things you've learned over your life? i know that's a pretty big
question. >> be true to yourself. to your own self be true. >> that's moving, john. >> he absolutely was. he embodied the greek idea that character is destiny. his presidency was a complete reflection, even more so than many presidents of their vices and virtues. he was a competitor, most competitive man who ever drew breath as jim baker and others will tell you. yet he was a conciliator. he fought hard in the arena to win power. his central prayer was to use power to help people. and that the purpose of power was not to make a great show in the world or a name, which is the embodiment, i think, of this man who was born in an upstairs
bedroom in sort of a detector victorian house in massachusetts, grew up in agree which. there's a big tree out in their yard on grove lane. president bush talked about how he knew intuitively that his mother wanted them to climb to the very top. and he would compete that way and then one of the iconic stories from his youth is when he was at andover a guy named gil was being bullied. being pressed against a wall by a couch. avenues little guy. he heard all of a sudden this voice say, "leave the kid alone." they ran off and gil asked somebody who was that? and he was told that's poppy bush, he's the best boy in school. >> poppy bush grew into president bush. >> he was poppy for a long time. >> yeah. >> very private moment it would slip out, barbara would
sometimes call him pop and his brothers and sisters, the wonderful nancy ellis sometimes slip out. poppy was not the name you wanted to go to the texas electorate with. andy is the pro. i think maybe we can guess that. >> one of the things jenna talked about was letter writing. this was somebody who wrote letters and did so through the very epidemic of his life. why was that such an important thing for him to do? >> first of all, i think he learned from his mother and father how to be engaged with people and to treat them with respect. there was no braggadocio of him. letters were a sign of respect to other people. he got elected to president because he wrote letters information. he didn't have a political base. he had a base of friends that he wrote to and there are many, many thousands of people that treasure the correspondence that they got from the president.
think of the letters wrote, his children and grandchildren and his great-grandchildren, never mind the ones he wrote to his wife-to-be and they are the story. his letters after love story and they are a commitment to the world because they are stories of a citizen who cared about everything. >> including, of course, his family. and his life you spoke about what it meant to have not just one president but two in the same family tree. here's some of that reflection. >> two presidents in one family is pretty good. and never been overtaken by that. we never felt that this was the end of the world or aren't we marvelous, something like that. we both are lucky. lucky to have served. he had two terms as president. and did a great job and, of course, as a father, i'm really proud of that. >> you worked in two bush administrations. you saw boston these men. reflect on the relationships between these two presidents.
>> a loving relationship. it was father and son. people, when i was serving as chief of staff to president george h.w. bush, people wondered if his dad was calling to weigh in. no his dad was calling as a dad and there was great empathy because of the job the president had. i did that job too. but you're doing the job but you know more than i do. >> you heard of that woman speaking to kerry, i know i'm not supposed to use the word "legacy." >> there were a couple of things he hated. being put on the couch which mean you ask a question like why do you run for office? and then dana carvey said doing bush's voice was like mr. rogers trying to be john wayne. it was a gift to comedians for that. he absolutely had an enveloping
personal charisma. sometimes he couldn't give a speech to save his life. when he said i can give a speech i climbed the highest mountain in the world so i couldn't be that bad. >> you're staying with us. we'll have you here with us. we want to talk about some other news including what's happening in the markets. the dow this morning has shot up some 300 points. joining me now to explain why is msnbc stephanie rule. this has to do with that china trade truce you can call it that the president came to terms with, apparently with xi jinping over the weekend. >> a cease-fire. not to say that anything super positive has happened but nothing negative has. they basically put their pencils down and say let's wait 90 days. from the market's perspective they are saying great. the news we actually have is somewhat of a push because kicking the can down the road is not a resolution. even what we know about china's
concession isn't that big of a deal. what they offered basically is what they offered months ago that the white house rejected because they said it's not enough. the white house put out a statement saying china would import substantial amounts of energy, agriculture and industrial products. here's the problem. that doesn't cost china anything. it's exactly the plan china wants. china is saying we'll import things we have not in in making. what they want to do is move up the ranks, move up the chain and make hard to produce things like electric cars, airplanes. the highest value product that china imported from the u.s. last year was airplanes. they want to get into that business. so, yes, we're pushing things 90 days. will we get a resolution then? unclear. we haven't heard anything about patent protect or ip. will we include temp u in this to make our side stronger. there's a lot of unknowns. at least for the time being the market is saying great. things didn't get worse before
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so later on this week here on capitol hill james comey will testify behind closed doors after agreeing to a deal with house republicans. the former fbi director dropped his legal challenge to a house subpoena but he has some conditions. house republicans release a transcript of his testimony within 24 hours. and that they let him talk publicly about the meeting after. comey tweeting this is the closest i can get to public testimony. republicans are expected to ask him about his role in the hillary clinton e-mail investigation and the russia investigation. joining me now former assistant
director for counter intelligence, the chief operating officer for ets risk management and a former federal prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst is joining me here in washington along with kimberly atkins. frank, let me start with you. what do you think of these terms? are they fair for both sides here? >> i think james comey has done the right thing. he's avoiding a possible contempt charge and actually calling their bluff. he's going to be able to come out if they hold true to their agreement, he'll discuss in detail a transcript of what transpired. he can go on and on and on. you may have him on your show talk about what transpired and what didn't happen. what was asked and didn't ask. i think he wins in this and i think congress loses. this is a transparent attempt to inflame, antagonize. the purpose of this is not congressional oversight, it's to
ask questions that have been asked and answered. we have doj inquiries. we had james comey testify. we had a book written by james comey. so this is all about anything but oversight. it's a last ditch attempt to wouldn't n-flame a base and not let go of an issue that's already been addressed. >> so given that, what happens in roughly a month and a half from now even less when democrats take over the house? this goes away. >> it doesn't go away. the focus will change. the ranking member of the democratic side will be the chairman. i'll be watching to see how he handles this. but the republican side is very interesting because there are a number of retirements. lots of retirements on the republican side of the judiciary committee. jim jordan who is a fierce ali of president trump will be the ranking member, becoming the president's defender in chief. other republicans on that panel will have more he is neither, people like steve king who are
aligned with the president. that, i think, that will be as if knitting to watch. comey has not made a lot of friends on capitol hill. he alienated democrats and republicans. it's a tough day for him. >> this week cube pretty big one for robert mueller's investigation and there's a few things we're watching. we want to show you what could happen this week related to the former trump campaign chair. by tuesday federal prosecutors likely file a sentencing memo detailing michael flynn's lies to federal agents as well as any other bad acts or crimes that flynn may have committed. friday new filing dead lynn. prosecutors are expected to file new documents detailing how paul manafort violated his plea. we expect prosecutors will file two sentencing e ining memos ab
michael cohen. these deadlines could shift. that's what we're watching. glen, explain why it's so important what we might see. the information robert mueller now has being detailed. >> these are potentially big factual developments. i won't say they are big legal developments. we may see more indictments drop. sentencing people e ining memos. having filed hundreds of these kinds of memos, if there's information that might still be relevant to the ongoing investigation that bob mueller does not yet want to disclose to the public, he may file hybrid memos. some may be under seal for the court to c-some may be out in the public square. i think one way or another we'll see some big factual developments in the flynn people jobs in the manafort lies memo and ultimately in the cohen memo and sentence. >> your reading any sort of this
flury of activity? >> the more interesting pivotal point was the president turning in the answers to his take home exam because what did we see right after he answered questions? presumably about whether he was doing a deal or potentially doing a deal with russia, we saw a cohen indictment that disclosed information about that. that timing was not a coincidence. >> kimberly, it was mentioned jerry nasddler. he was on "meet the press". watch. >> the fact that he was lying to the american people about doing business in russia and that the kremlin knew he was lying gave the kremlin a hold over him and one question we have now is does the kremlin still have a hold over him? >> and over the weekend we caught up with dmitri. >> it's a step back to understand why this
investigation is taking place and i think congressman nadler is getting to that. the involvement of russia in this deal with the president leaning in, do they have leverage over him? and that's a crucial -- once we get so far into the details, we forget about the purpose of this and that's the central question behind all that. certainly something that congressman nadler and other congressional democrats are looking deeply into. >> thank you all. more to come after the break including we take now a live look at lewis and sons funeral home in houston. president bush's casket will be heading to ellington field. it's called special air mission 41. we'll have that after the break. ellingt hi, i'm joan lunden.
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any moment the former president's casket will depart this building in houston. it goes to ellington field. before then leaving for joint base andrews. we caught a glimpse of the doors open and the president's dog sully who was by his side for so many years, once the casket gets here to washington will be transferred through motorcade through d.c. to the capitol later this afternoon. let's bring in kerry sanders who is on the ground in houston. we've seen some activity. perhaps family members arriving for the motorcade over to ellington, right? >> reporter: that's correct, over to the joint airbase. the buses arrived here, on board family members. buses typically have some sort of advertisement on them naming them but they are all blacked out and as you can see over my shoulder here as we're standing at the front of the funeral home there are some folks who have gathered here to pay their respects. as we just look across the
street you can see the flags here at half-staff. the houston police department is here on the street. as i noted certain people who have made their way to give up their morning to come here to pay their respects. among them is -- hi. >> hi. >> we're from nbc news. i know you're standing here to pay your respect. >> i am. >> you have the american flag in your hand. what are your thoughts this morning? >> just for losing such a great man. he was such a great leader for our country and loved by many and, of course, for his family. so i just happen to live right here. >> reporter: thank you very much. you seem emotional. >> i'm fine. thank you. >> reporter: okay. thank you very much. excuse me, sir, can i talk to you for a second. what are your thoughts why you come out here today to honor him, our 41st president? >> you think about him.
>> reporter: got you. didn't mean to catch you off guard. folks have gathered out here. some maybe just can't even find the right words but they know there's a reason to come out here to pay respects to somebody who led our nation and had such a lifetime of service. >> kerry sanders there in houston. thank you. that's a hard question to come up with on-the-spot there why and what the death of former president bush means to you. some folks can answer them. former white house chief of staff andrew card back with us as well. we have retired four star general who served under george h. bush and in the middle john meacham. you sort of smiled at that moment. it's tough sometimes to come with the words on how you'll remember somebody who had the kind of life that george h.w. bush had. he did a lot. world war ii veteran and hero, congressman, cia, he wore a lot
of hats. meant a lot of different things to different people. >> he touched so many people. he had empathy for so many people. his was not a selfish life. his was a sharing life. and as a result of that there are people who are emotionally connected to him that you don't normally find in politics. he was really very giving, and he never took. >> let me talk a little bit about him as a political person, an internationalist. it was 29 years ago to the day, today general that president bush held that press conference with mikhail gorbachev. we have some images of that. it was heralded as the end of the cold war. this is something that president obama talked about in his "60 minutes" piece that aired. i want to play you a little bit of that. >> what people don't appreciate fully, even within his own party
is the degree to which he had to land the plane when the berlin wall comes down. you have chaos, potentially, in the former soviet union. and russia. and uncertainty in europe. all those things could have gone haywire at any point and the restraint, the caution, the lack of spiking the football that they showed was, i think, an enormous achievement. >> john, you were there when president obama visited president bush just a week and a half ago. >> last week. last tuesday. six days ago. what's remarkable is the consistent civilian obama's message there. he talked about how much he appreciated the way the president had handled the end of the cold war. talked about how -- >> with president bush? >> yes. president obama brought in a pair of socks i think with mini dogs on them, i can't remember
exactly. then they chatted for a while. and the big message, there were two points that president obama was making to president bush. one was, how brilliantly they had handled the cold war because it could have gone -- you can see how obama would appreciate that, a man much order. barack obama is the mr. spock of american politic, the logic and all that. and the other thing ever talking about the big pieces of domestic legislation particularly the american with disabilities act. it's hard to imagine a democratic president or democratic congress doing that today much less a republican president with a democratic congress. president obama has a sense of the sweep of history understood that he was talking to someone who embodied in many ways the best washington could be, and that that felt a long distance away. >> on the left side of your screen you're seeing some
members of the family leaving. you see his service dog being led around. there's that image that showed sully laying in front of the casket tweeted out by jim mcgraf. >> he was in a flag-draped coffin and sully there was. the people who took care president bush in the past couple of years had been veterans of iraq and afghanistan, and the service dog whom president bush 43 said would come back to walter reed and continue his work. >> here you see the flag-draped casket of former president george herbert walker bush being walked out. the beginning of his final trip to washington. general? >> it's quite a sight. i have a lot of memories of president bush. i went to international arm control conferences in moscow and helsinki. my enduring memory, though, and i got to underscore this, he
>> the honor of the casket being put into what normally would be called air force one, special air force mission 41. >> the 747, it's air force one when the president is on it. when the president is not on it, it has a different call sign. it's a great tribute that they determined this mission would be president 41. >> president bush -- the bush bushis -- bushs moved to texas in 1959. it's been 60 years since they've been a part of that community. you saw neil bush there with his family. neil was the son that mrs. bush used to say he's mr. nice. imply slit as oppos -- implicith
me. >> part of the story of remembering george herbert walker bush is remembering barbara bush. we talked when barbara bush passed away and the great love story between these two people and the enduring love between them. >> ships were still on fire at pearl harbor when they met at christmas 1941, three weeks after pearl harbor. she was wearing a red and green christmas dress and he endeavored to get introduced. >> you see the police motorcycles beginning the proegsal. let's take a pause here and take a look as the motorcade begins its journey from the funeral the home ellington air field where president bush will take his final trip to washington.
you see the buses that are traveling as part of the motorcade processional. carrying the family members who will be traveling with the president to d.c. later on this afternoon. the plane will land at joint base andrews and a different motorcade that we'll watch and carry live through southern maryland, through the streets of washington, and over to the capitol where president bush will lie in state. it's amazing to see those people lining up coming to pay their respects, john. >> i'm always reminded of the newspaper accounts of the people who came out to see winston churchill and there's a wonderful quotation. it was in the "new york times," i think, of a reporter asking a person standing on street why your out here? and he said he was there for all
of us, so i'm here for him. and i think that's an instinct that brings people out at moments like this. >> every time i look at air force one, i think it was vienna, gorbachev or gelt is in and air force one was out there and the poor russians had hidden their aircraft because it was so tiny by comparison. only fitting this great man back on air force one. >> of course he was the first president to fly on that 747. >> yeah. >> the plane was a very special plane to him. >> is this the same plane that would have been in the last weeks of '92? >> yes. >> so this is the one when things were really falling apart as president bush used to say, campaign of 1992, god what a ghastly time. only man in politics who can use the word "ghastly." he had the oak ridge boys come
on and they sang "amazing grace." >> kerry sanders for 45 minutes we'll see this motorcade travel through houston and toetravelin to ellington field. >> reporter: much of the trip will be on major highways. you'll see the motorcade in front and taking the hearse to the ellington base where the casket will then be loaded on board air force one. but what you see here on barring drive are some of the people who are still standing here, who gathered to pay their respects to honor the president. as you look out here on the street you'll see there's a number of police officers who have still lined the area here from the houston police department. interestingly as the casket came by one of those officers paused for a moment, raised his hand up and saluted the president's casket as accommodate by.
the families and friends who gathered out here and just proud americans who are here say that they've been come here to honor the 41st president to say their best wishes to his service and i think maybe i can even walk up to some folks here and ask them what their thoughts are here. as you stand here what are your thoughts having seen the casket come by and understanding our 41st president is now gone >> he was a wonderful president. the greatest one term president we've ever had. >> what is it that you stop and think about today? >> a i think about the country, about his family. what a joy to be associated with him and part of his life. it's a wonderful feeling to watch this. >> reporter: as you stand here, ma'am, i'm curious it takes effort to come out here, to stop
and pause and to think. >> we're neighbors. we just live here and to be so honored to see all of this. it's like we're all -- and i would like for you to note the man, the police officer who saluted. he's just right there and we were hoping that we could have gotten a picture of him. but note him. i saluted after he did. >> reporter: it was touching. it really was. everybody out here s-as you can hear with the soft voices speaking with some reverence and honor of what we have all just sort of witnessed personally here and what you saw on television, which will go on for days now as the nation stops, pauses and looks backwards, and sometimes looking backwards helps us understand where we are today. >> kerry sanners. thank you so much. as we look live at that motorcade going through houston. this will be about 45 minutes and next see it arrive at ellington field, the president's
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losing races for governor and attorney general there. done deal. they lost. the end. not so fast. in three hours from now the milwaukee journal sentinel say recognizes will move forward to strip power from the incoming democratic administration and governor-elect. he beat scott walker in last month's mid-terms. republicans want to make it harder for them to withdraw from a gop lawsuit challenging obamacare. move the state's 2020 presidential from april to march. limit earl voting in elections to just two weeks. and require evers to get permission to began guns in the state capitol. joining me is national affairs correspond is john nichols along with kimberly atkins. john, let me start with you. i'll read this quote. he views this as a repudiation of the last trex. i'll take any steps possible to
assure the people of wisconsin that it will not invalidate those votes. how do you see this playing out? >> at this point the republicans have the upper hand. governor scott walker is in office until january. despite the fact that he was defeated in the election. and republicans still control the state assembly and state senate. those are both very gerrymandered districts. so what will happen today is there will be a flash hearing, literally the hearing, people just learned relatively short time ago when the hearing would be, where it would be. now you'll have a lot of people testifying mostly i think critical of the changes, and then the republicans hope to have a vote, because there's some talk of having a vote tonight or tomorrow. both will likely occur tomorrow. there will be protests outside of the capitol. it's a very intense moment.
remember wisconsin has context here. when scott walker came in, it was very controversial. he went after labor unions in the state, there were mass protests. amazingly enough he is the same with a great deal of public turmoil, a great deal of frustrati frustration, and anger. but if the republicans are determined to do this, the likelihood is this could probably pass most of what they propose to do, and then we'll see a lot of court battles. >> that's for sure. republicans say listen, we're just trying to essentially countercorrect the power, the amount of power that scott walker had. right, john? i wonder what you make of that defense. value sn valid? >> it's absurdity. governor walker accumulated this power onto himself with these legislative leaders. we've had the same republican governor and legislative leaders for eight years. so they suddenly decided they
don't like all the power that's in the governor's office. so they're going to take that power away from the governor and take appointing power and determination powers away from them. they're also taking power away from the state attorney general which is a powerful office in wisconsin historically. and notably, they are seeking to change election dates. apparently with an eye toward avoiding high turnout elections for the state supreme court. >> kimberly, talk about the precedent this might set nationally. >>. >> look, there are similar actions. michigan will restrict the power of these incoming democrats. politically it could be a problem. look at wisconsin and the things they're going after. this obama care challenge they don't want -- the state to pull out of. it could run into legal trouble. while the legislature does have power to do most of this stuff, changing election days and limiting early voting has been struck down by courts before.
so that's one place that the challenge could go down. >> to john's point, we're not going to see the end of the court fights. >> the irony is it would prevent the new democratic governor that pulling out of the anti-obama care lawsuit. that's one of the reasons scott walker lost the election. at the least, it was extensively debated. it would have stripped away the consumer protections scott walker had to argue that he was supporting even though he was in support of that anti-obama care lawsuit. i think there's a real irony there given that the narrowness of the margin that he lost for that reason, and this would maintain wisconsin's involvement in that lawsuit. >> i want to talk about what may come up on friday, the deadline for a potential government shut dourn. there's a lot going on this week with the death of president bush and services here and in texas. >> yes. there are talks about one week
stopgap measure that extends it one week. there's talk of two weeks. it's under the cloud because there's a stalemate between president trump who wants $5 billion for his border wall. democrats are not going above a 1 $.6 billion. that's already controversial. i think republican leaders don't want to shut down, but they're also wary of getting too far ahead of the president. >> the president seemed open to the idea of an extension. said lawmakers brought it up with him. we want to turn to our coverage of the motorcade. we're reflecting on the former president and the world war ii veteran who never shied away out of jumping out of a plane. check out this video. it wasn't his only time sky diving. most recently he did it on his 90th birthday.
here he is in june of 2014. here with me is somebody who knows this image quite well, michael elliot. he parachuted with george h.w. bush. michael and ed, thank you for being on. >> thank you. >> michael, let me start with you. as somebody who has seen the former president jump out of the plane, what are your memories of hip as -- him as he begin his services in washington and houston today? >> i just remember the president as being a man of honor. and living life. you know, jumping out of airplanes and just being a great american. as i refer to a superman. >> literally flying. right? i mean, did he ever show any trepidation or any fears stepping out of that thing, thousands of feet up in the air? >> i do believe that he had a little bit of fear. we all had fear. if you ever at 14,000 feet were about to hurl yourself out of an airplane and you weren't afraid,
you probably shouldn't have been in the airplane. he had confidence in the people around him and in myself and our military, and he was comfortable enough to do it. >> thrill seeker is not often an adjective you hear to describe president bush, but you see it a little differently. >> absolutely. and the president who was shot down in world war ii felt like he didn't exit the aircraft exactly right, and him being a perfecti perfectionist, he wanted to do it again and do it right. that's how he fell in love with jumping out of airplanes? >> ed, a lot of people remember, of course, the former president as a man of service, a world war ii veteran. john meacham who was here most of the hour wrote in the new york times in his latest piece in the last years of his life president bush was asked how he liked to be remembered. he didn't pause and he avoided the first person pronoun what his mother used to call the great i am and replied that we put the country first. in your view, how did that
translate how he saw washington and his leadership with the country. >> we think of politicians as being boastful. we think of them as being people who need to promote and in times embellish their own record. bush did the opposite. in a lot of ways, to be a successful politician, to be president of the united states, was a quiet man. it's the kind of -- it's the kind of quiet that comes through dignity, through pride, through being reserved. through being humble. and a lot of that is missing in politics today. let's face it. but i think those are timeless qualities. i think bush will be an inspiration for generations to come. i don't feel -- i was inspired by a lot of what i witnessed about george bush. i don't feel inspired to jump out of an airplane, but there's a lot of good things i think he did that will inspire generations to come. >> on that, michael, what was it
like to share those moments with president bush? >> you know, definitely one of the highest moments of my life, being able to share those moments. now that i look back and seeing that i was a small part of his life and of the bush family, you know, it's quite an amazing honor. and nothing feels better than to be a part of this. >> ed -- >> what he says is good to remember. everybody who crossed george bush's path feels honored by it. honored by his presence. honored by the courtesies that he extended to them. that is a big part of his legacy. >> ed, the president, president bush, incumbent to office and was leaving office right at the time of the 24-hour news cycle was kicking into gear. one of the last of the seasonal campaigners for president. can you explain what you mean by that? >> yeah. i think bush really didn't subscribe to the notion that the
permanent campaign was either desirable or necessary. he thought campaign politics was seasonal. it was brief. it had campaign people as he called them. a few months before the election, but then there would be a hiatus for governing. you have a campaign as a necessary means to be elected and empowered, but then you would governor absent many of the aspects of campaigning. he came into the presidency at the dawn of what is now the permanent campaign. everybody campaigns all day 24 /7, and the news media is now there to tell you who is winning and who is losing on any given day. again, bush came into being at the beginning of the permanent campaign, and he was the first president to deal with what -- pardon me for saying so, the cnn phenomenon of 24-hour news coverage and everything being critiqued on a realtime basis.
that shaped a lot of the era, and shaped aspects of his presidency, familiarly the gulf war. >> ed rogerss, michael elliot, thank you for coming onto talk about your memory and perspective as we honor and remember george h.w. bush. thank you. we're teaching an eye on the motorcade that is set to arrive at ellingtonfield in the next 30 minutes. you can see the highway shot. our big picture today of course will be from houston, texas. you saw him a little bit earlier on video. this is sully. this is the photograph we talked about. the former president's service dog lying in front of his casket. the heart breaking moment as the nation mourn's president bush's death. his beloved yellow lab by his side to the end. this moment captioned mission complete. sully remains by the former president's side as his family prepares to lay him to rest this
week. thanks for watching this hour of msnbc live. we have more coverage throughout the day to honor president bush. in the meantime, craig melvin is live in houston. hey, craig. >> hey. we are live in houston, texas. it's 10:00 a.m. local time. 11:00 a.m. there in the east. we continue to watch this motorcade carrying the body of former president george h.w. bush. that motorcade making its way out from the funeral home to the tar mack in ellington field. the bush family traveling with the motorcade. they're headed to the airport, and we watch that -- as we watch that motorcade continue to make its way. a few minutes from now the body of the 41st president will be loaded on board a plane that has been dubbed special air mission 41. from here it will head to joint base