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one of her two dogs was sitting next to her burned out home just waiting for her. it gets better. her other dog was found alive and all three have now been reunited. stay tuned all this week. you're going to get a chance to choose what good news story you want to hear and that will be this friday. this wraps up this monday morning hour for you. i'll see you again at 1:00 p.m. coming up with hallie jackson. >> i can't wait to vote. happy monday to you and all of you. i'm hallie jackson in washington. a president under fire politically and under scrutiny legally also finds himself understaffed with the leading candidate to be a chief of staff taking a pass. our reporting on who could be next and what they're really in for as democrats seize on those bombshell court filings. what a top leader is saying about the i word. not just impeachment but
indictment. james comey slapping back saying donald trump could be in serious trouble and making clear what he thinks voters should do about it. our team is set up to cover all of this. this morning we start with the moving pieces inside the west wing and who wants to be president trump's right hand mama man? the answer so far, a few but not many people for a job that used to be the most coveted. you could be fired via tweet after sitting on the tarmac. you could be subject to months of headlines about how your days are numbered and have to deny reports you called the president an idiot and said you're the one saving the country from disaster. the chief of staff will face a democratic controlled house, unafraid to send subpoenas and a president under intense
scrutiny, legally and politically whose first choice for the job said nah, i'm good. my colleague jeff bennett is at the white house. it's not that the president is changing out chiefs again. that happens especially in the last couple of years focusing on re-elect. there didn't seem to be a plan b or really a plan c. >> reporter: there wasn't. he had no successor lined up on saturday when he announced that john kelly would be leaving the administration at the end of the month. part of the problem is there isn't a long list of people knocking down the door of the oval office to be president trump's chief of staff. with the huge glaring note of caution this is a fluid situation, we understand the president has settled on a new list of top contends now that nick ayers has taken himself out of the running.
mark meadows thinks he can be more beneficial outside than in it. also there's nick mulvaney. david bossy. he was the 2016 deputy campaign manager for donald trump. there's steve mnuchin who will be out of a job and randy he ve -- levine. he's the president of the new york yankees and a trump backer. as one source close to the president put it, part of the problem with having to fill this position is history has already predetermi pre-determined the next guy's fate. john kelly and reince prebus saw
their reputations diminished after served this president. >> joining me former chief of staff for clinton and white house correspondent for the pbs news hour. answer the million dollar yes which is who cares? the president wants to be his own chief of staff. de facto is his own chief of staff. explain why this is important for him. >> the white house needs to function well and it needs to govern to get be people's done. it's not unusual to have changes in chief of staffs. we had four in the clinton administration. >> president obama had five. >> most of those periods and those two administrations. in the clinton administration, the people were well suited for that period. this will be a very different period than john kelly, reince
priebus or chief of staff. you make a very good point, president trump, everything centers around him. it's not the traditional role. i think the bottom line is you have to have trust, a compatibili compatibility, philosophy and ability to communicate with the president if you're chief of staff or any key cabinet position. that's not proven to be the case. >> the fact that we are heading into a period of two years under which the president is under serious legal scrutiny implicated in these crimes. we saw the mueller filings come down late friday. this is a hell of a job for anybody. >> that's an understatement even though it's a big statement. he's under siege in washington but will also need someone with
political bones. >> the new york times is writing about that. there's a piece talk about john kelly wasn't the guy that came in ready for the re-elect. based on my reporting and source, john kelly was made a big deal that he hated politics. that wasn't his thing. that wasn't his job. that might not fly for the next couple of years. >> nick was a good choice. he was political. he would solve the problem of getting the president ready for the campaign. >> there's a state of shock among staffers. as late as saturday night, we were being told this looks like it's moving forward. i'm told sunday morning it broke down. now the name game begins. you got a period of a few weeks now that the president will be talking to folks here. up with of those folks is mark meadows who was asked about this buy our white house press corps colleague earlier this year. watch. >> chief of staff president of
the united states. you want that job? >> general kelly is doing a great job. i know the president hasn't spoken to me or nick mulvaney about replacing him. >> i've heard general kelly is not as adept in politics as a chief of staff should be. >> nor should he be. he was a general. >> it's part of the job. >> it's an important part of the job. >> it's an important part of the job but remember this is a president who needs someone who he personally gets along with and will accept that ivanka trump and jared kushner will always have the ear of the president in way the chief of staff never will. i think it comes down to someone who will have to deal with the temperament of president trump. the way to be successful in this swho white house is to roll with the punches. it's not going to say i know what the communication levels are going to be.
it's not that. it's whether or not you're okay with going with whatever president trump tweets. that's going to be the job of the chief of staff. let's remember it's a coveted job that used to be really important. >> like the chief legal counsel at the white house. these are legal positions that people would run to that the president had a hard time filling. >> welcome to your new office. he starts today. he's now coming in to this role that will be critically important. question not overstate how important this will be as that job, the white house counsel. will be in charge of fending off the slew of democratic subpoenas. >> white house counsel's job is always an important job. it's going to be particularly so during this period. it's going to take political
savvy as well as legal. there needs to be real bond between the white house counsel and chief of staff. it's a critical period. >> let's talk about not just the staffing, as it relates to the white house counsel but also as my colleagues at nbcnews.com write, the president used tlov h -- to love his generals. rough going for those guys. not just general kelly but general mattis. he's been less and less inclined to defer to the advice of others including decorated military leaders. they write that mattis recommended a different general. president trump interviewed both of them. a lot of people interpret the selection as a shot across mattis' bow. should we be keeping an eye
batsed on yobats -- based on your reporting? >> there's a lot of people to keep you eye on about who will stay here. >> i've interviewed a lot of people who says he's a blunt person. when he decides he's right, he sticks to it. he will have someone with a personality similar to him. that could be a good thing or could mean he's out the door sooner. >> very quick final thoughts. can you be a gut check president where you'll have to deal with these legal ts crossed and is dotted? >> it won't end well. >> appreciate it. we have some breaking news we want to get to out of supreme court now. this has to do with the case involving planned parenthood. pete williams is outside the court. >> reporter: it's a victory for planned parenthood.
the roots of this case go back to that video released that purported to show planned parenthood officials talking about selling fetal tissues. the videos were later discredited. kansas and louisiana saying that medicaid patients in those states could not get medical services from planned parenthood. the patients sued. they won in the lower courts. the states appealed and today the issue people court declined to take the case. that leaves the victory in the lower court for the medicaid patients and planned parenthood. planned parenthood in those states doesn't provide abortion services. it's pregnancy counselling, breast cancer screening. that kind of thing. that's what was at issue. three of the court's conservative said the court should have taken this case. clarence thomas and neil gorsich. john roberts and brett kavanaugh appeared to have voted with the rest of the court not to take
this case. clarence thomas says why didn't we take this case. it's a big deal about whether medicaid patients get to sue over who their health care providers are. that really should be a state decision. he says i think the reason we didn't take it is because planned parenthood is involved here and that's no reason not to take this case just because it's politically fraught. it leaves the victory for planned parenthood in tact. >> very interesting. pete williams outside the court. thank you. up next, james comey is stepping back into the spotlight quite literally on stage in new york. telling our nick coole wallace president obstructed justice. maria ramirez? hi. maria ramirez! mom!
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the most recent round of back and forth between james comey and the guy who fired him is hitting some of its sharpest notes yet with comey taking on that tweet storm by the president triggered by his testimony suggesting president could be in real legal trouble and it's up to voters to send a message. >> reporter: step sboog tping i spotlight after coming under fire, james comey responding to president trump. >> the president reacted. >> you finished reading the 253
pages. >> reporter: with msnbc nicole wallace, comey took on the tweet storm in which the president accused him without evidence of lying to congress friday during more than six hours behind closed doors. quote, leaking james comey must are set a record for who lied the most to congress in one day. >> we have to remind ourselves the president of the united states of america is publicly announcing that people are committing crimes. they should be in jail. private citizens. that's not okay. if we become numb to it we risk surrendering the norm. >> reporter: president trump blasting what comey said in closed door testimony with the 253 page transcript released publicly over the weekend. in it, comey discussed how the fbi in late july of 2016 opened counter intelligence investigations of four americans to see if they were working in any way with the russians to influence or elections. at least some of those people
were associated with the trump campaign but clarified the president himself was not one of them. the investigation into russia interference has led to the guilty pleas or convictions of five former members of donald trump's orbit including his short lived national security adviser michael flynn and his former attorney, michael cohen. >> is the president of the united states an unindicted co-conspirator? >> i don't know. if he's not there, he's close. >> reporter: comey suggested if donald trump were not president, he would be in serious jeopardy of being charged by the special counsel investigation. an investigation comey is confident in. he said i would bet my life that bob mueller would do things the right way. comey making no secret of his political perspective heading into 2020. >> all of us should use every breath we have to make sure the shine st line stops on january 20th,
2020. >> i'm joined by former federal prosecutor glen. you watched that interview last night. what stood out to you? >> i watched it with new eyes. i read james comey book and we have been following the development. when i heard him talk about how he and other sort of leaders in the national security community briefed trump for the first time about russian interference. any president, the normal reaction should have been what did they do? how did they do it? we need to address it? how do we keep it from happening again? comey said his reaction is i don't care about that. how do we spin this for positive pr purposes. that begins to inform us that his intent was corrupt from that moment. >> there was a moment that comey talked about this leak investigation that he wanted open based on something that
rudy giuliani at the time said not too long before the election. >> got a couple of surprises left. >> october surprises? >> i call them surprises in the way we're going to campaign to get our message out there. maybe in a bit of a different way. you'll see. i think it will be effective. >> comey sees this. he's like wait a second here. then he talked about that. >> i was very concerned about the leaks and i asked for an internal investigation to find out what is going on. that was still ongoing when i got fired. >> comey was worried about these leaks over at the trump campaign related to this counter intelligence investigation that happened. >> i don't think it's surprising he opened up an investigation. he said this could probably still be going on. we don't know when it will wrap up. the one thing we have been finding is the many different tentacles and where ever we think the investigation is going, there's five other things
happening. >> there was the moment where comey was asked if donald trump was a unindicted co-conspirator and he's like if he's not there, he's close. suggested the president if he were not president could be in serious legal trouble. >> the answer is yes, he's undieted, maybe not formally. one thing that struck me is comey is a powerful and incredible witness. for 30 years i had to assess the credibility of witnesses before i decided to put them on the stand. comey will make one heck of a witness. >> what about his credibility given his pretty overtly political. he's saying get it together so you can beat donald trump come 2020. >> i think there's the political aspect but he's still the fbi director. he still took day of notes to really write down all the things that made him uncomfortable. when you're looking at a witness, the legal experts tell
me, you want somebody who can clearly state what was happening that day in realtime. comey has that. obviously the president has been attacking him but that's made comey get a little into the pettiness talking about the president was somewhat orange when he met him. >> he's been grilled over and over again. the sense of can you give your testimony in the vsame vain, he knows how to do that. >> he's also talk about how he said before. he didn't think that president trump should be impeached because he thinks voters should decide. adam schiff going beyond that to a different one and raising the spe spector of prison time for president trump. >> there's a very real prospect that on the day donald trump leaves office the justice department may indict him. he may be the first president in quite some time to face the prospect of jail time. >> glen, is adam schiff out over
his skis? >> he's only not out over his skis. give tennessn the president has shown to commit a couple of felonies to impact elections, he really was -- >> implicated in those crimes. >> he was trying to pull the wool over the eyes of the american voter. how he can hold up the presidency as a shield of prosecution. >> i think it could be problematic for democrats. if republican voters see 2020 as either elect president trump or he's going to jail, that could really fire up the republican base. democrats before the midterms did not want to talk about this. they have to strike a balance in they want to be able to find information and subpoena the president but they also need to show they can govern. i think it will be a tough balance because you run the risk of republican voters say you want to put my president in jail. i'll show you. >> in the meantime you have president doing his 55 plus
million twitter followers blasting out on his attacks on james comey. his second reaction is i'm so numb to this. that's an issue. he's also saying a prosecutor might see the attacks from the president as you're trying to mess with a witness. >> absolutely. i think we all kind of become numb to some extent. you can't be on ten or horrified about things that happen every day coming out of this white house. i think his reaction is what all of ours is. >> when you string to the fact he didn't care up front when russia interfered with the elections and he wanted comey to lay off flynn and when comey didn't, he fired him and he said it was about the russia thing. i think a first year law grad can walk in with that evidence and prove a case of obstruction beyond a reasonable doubt without breaking a sweat. >> after the break investigators in new york are dialing up scrutiny of president trump's
here is something we just learned. lawyers for paul manafort will be in court on wednesday. they'll be scheduled the next steps after robert mueller's team pulled the plug on his plea deal accusing him of lying. a source familiar with the matter says the manafort's lawyers will formally respond to the quote crimes and lies that mueller laid out in that filing late last week. wednesday is shaping up to be an interesting day in court. also on wednesday you've got president trump's former long time personal lawyer, michael cohen, scheduled to be sentence for campaign finance violations and other crimes. the new york time s reporting federal prosecutors are shifting their focus to the trump family business. quote, they have continued to scrutinize what other executives in the president's family business may have known about the crimes which involved hush payments to two women who said they had affairs. the president has denied those
affairs. also with us as we play musical chairs is misha. michael cohen seems to point the finger at one guy whose name is familiar with our viewers. mr. cohen has told the southern district that weiksselberg was involved in how to pay ms. daniels. nobody in the trump organization has been accused of wrong doing. you think that changes? >> we have known for a long time that the trump organization and trump campaign had a lot of links and worked together. these documents we saw on friday went further than we have seen before to suggest really
involvement by the trump organization in the scheme to pay off these women and do it in violation of campaign finance law. i would not be surprised to see the trump organization more formally pulled into this. >> i'm old enough to remember when donald trump said that would be crossing a red line. is that no longer a tenable position? >> this president has never separated himself from his businesses either before he was president, when he was running for president and now that he is president. it's not realistic line. it never was unless he was willing to divorce himself from his businesses which he hasn't been. s >> you wrote is this the beginning of the entd for donal trump? you argued the sentencing memos reveal damaging evidence about collusion and campaign finance violations. you talk about the next shoe to drop but he's survived so far.
>> i don't want to speculate about what will happen many the future. i think that special counsel mueller will make sure he's doing things right. he may not bring charges against the president. there's legal questions about whether you can do that. when you have a president of the united states who federal prosecutors go to court and say that this president directed a felony, that ought to cause some real concern in the white house. >> the trump organization did not respond to the time's request for comment. our first read is you went back and look at the way then candidate trump talked about the potential for criminality as it related to the end of the campaign. watch. >> they are re-opening the case into her criminal and illegal conduct that threatens the security of the united states of america.
hillary clinton's corruption is on a scale we have never seen before. >> the investigation is the biggest political scandal since watergate and it's everybody's hope that justice, at last, can be delivered. >> if hillary clinton were to be elected, it would create an unprecedented and protracted constitutional crisis. >> here we are two years into the trump administration and the russia investigation has consumed a lot of political oxygen since inauguration day. >> this was his kind of critical pivot point in this campaign. you see him every time the heat comes too close to him, he try to go back to hillary clinton and this investigation.
he wants to pivot away from the trump organization and any kind of wrong doing and investigation on himself. >> i think if people close to him in the trump organization, his children, if they start to get any sort of legal heat, if anyone in that organization is indicted, i think we will see -- we will talk about the president trump in the past two years as calm. he will probably blow a gasket. they say it would be political sigh si suicide to try to stop robert mueller. i can't watch a father watching his children get indicted an not try to stop that. >> thank you so much. stick around. we'll see you. nc nc we're about to get our first glimpse at how the new washington might work or might not work. president trump getting ready to meet at the white house with newly empowered democrats. what he wants in order to avoid
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in a new political era. democrats don't seem optimistic that anything will come of us. expectations are low. senate minority whip dick durbin saying we had limited success in dealing with this president. his word isn't good. the stalemate is all about the border wall with the president looking for $5 billion. democrats looking for a little less. congressman, thanks for coming to the show. lots to get to. >> my pleasure. thanks. >> let's start with the shut down talks. how confident are you that in kind of a deal or the outlines of one will be reached tomorrow? >> well, it's really up to the president. this is trump's choice whether he wants to shut down the government just at the christmas holiday in order to try to get funding for his border wall and shut down the government to cut off all funding for homeland
security which will make things worse than he says they are. it's ridiculous. the president ought to agree to a clean spending bill. we tried negotiated with him before. there was talk of a deal on dreamers. he reneged on that deal. let's keep the government open during the holidays. we just had an election. let's go ginto the next term of congress and focus on the important issues that the american people expect us to focus on. >> within the last hour republican congressman steve scalise was on fox news talking about this. here is what he said. >> i think what's happen ing is the democrats are being hostage by the extreme radicals on the left. this isn't mainstream. they believe we ought to secure the border. >> do you think nancy pelosi's hands are tied by the your
progressive colleagues? >> i think what my colleague says it will sound as ridiculous as it just did to me. the president wants to stop funding border security in order to get money for his wall. the wall that the mexicans were going to pay for. it's absurd. i have no idea what representative scalise is talking about. what we talk about is a common sense approach to keep our government open. >> let me ask you about everything that's happened since friday afternoon. obviously you are on the house judiciary committee. this is central to something you may look into. adam schiff raised the spector of jail time that the president might end up behind bars. do you think adam schiff is out over his skis or do you think it's appropriate for democrats to be talking about the possibility of a sitting president after office going behind bars? >> i think adam is not out over his skis.
the president, right now after these most recent revelations, is facing enormous problems. serious legal and political jeopardy. it all stems from what we have learned. the fact is from what we have already learned there's been illegal corruption around the president getting elected, illegal corruption to cover up what happened and more illegal corruption to get rich off the office of the president. we only know a fraction of what mueller knows. we need to know until we get that report. i think the president ought to be very concerned about what we learned in the past days and we will look forward to receiving the mueller report in putting all of this in broader context so the house can decide whoo action it needs to take. >> should that be impeachment? >> impeachment is the ultimate check on the executive branch. i think we have to wait until we
get the mueller report to get guidance. if you look at the corruption behind, potentially, at least from the sentencing document that we saw, the president of the united states then the republican nominee for president using his companies to pay off hush money to women who were making accusations against him. that's the kind of corruption that is so serious that should have the president very concerned about. i think it's what the american people are starting to see when they put together the dots of all the corruption surrounding this administration that has not stopped since the president took office. >> very quickly, i have to get you on james comey. in front of your economy on friday. what do you make of how james comey is handi inle that?
>> he came to our committee and made clear how outrageous it is that the republican leadership in the last bastion are again focussed on hillary clinton's e-mails when there's a mueller investigation that has to play out. he was very clear about how dangerous it is to our national security when the president of the united states continues to lie about what's happening about the investigation, when the president orders investigations into his political opponents and all of this plays to the very serious problems that the president now faces. that's what we took out of that hearing on friday. >> congressman, it's nice to have you back. thanks for coming on. after the break a fascinating new read on just how smart your smartphone is. not just smart, kind of a creeper. the new york times detailing what phones mean by location services. tracing your every movement from
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we're looking ahead to an interesting and rare appearance by someone on capitol hill tomorrow. the ceo of google. this is an issue that gets more and more attention as we get more and more addicted to our smartphones. a new report reveals how apps on your phone track your movements logging everywhere you go, which you may have known. did you know it's as often as two seconds. did you know they sell that information to advertisers, retail outlets and hedge funds looking into consumer behavior. you're giving this option to allow access to location but a lot of times you think that's just to use for apps. not to track and sell our every move. the company say the data is anonymous so it's not tied to your name. this is still very, very personal. where you spend the night, where
you work, where your kids go to school. identifying somebody based on that information might not be that hard. one member of congress is sounding the alarm. proposing legislation legislation to limit the sale of this data. he's saying location information can reveal some of the most intimate details of a person's life. whether you've visited a psychiatrist, whether you went to an a.a. meeting, who you might date. it's not right to have is consumers kept in the dark about how their data is sold and shared and leave them unable to do anything about it. one of the reporters who broke the story is with us along with anna palmer and yamiche alcindor. you lay out a couple of real life examples. including a math teacher. she leaves a house in upstate new york at 7:00 a.m. every day.
travels to a middle school 14 miles away. she went to a weight watcher's meeting, hiking with her dog, the dermatologist's office. to her ex-boyfriend's house where she stayed. this is a detailed look at who a person is. lisa's location was recorded 8 6 00 times. >> right. i think this is something that consumers are not necessarily aware of, and a lot of the companies say that this is anonymous data, but what we were able to show is you could identify people in it. and i think as we're all carrying our smart phones around, it's something that people really should be thinking more about and companies should be disclosing measuing more tha are. >> this is pretty widespread. you are write at least 75 companies received this anonymous precise location data from apps and several of those businesses climb to track up to
200 million mobile devices in the u.s. that's about half of the cell phones, the smart phones in use last year. how are those companies using that data? >> they're using it for a variety of things. the most common use is for targeted advertising. if you pass by a coffee shop frequently, that coffee shop could know you might be somebody they could serve an ad to on your phone, and it would show up on your app and say that maybe you might want to come in and stop and get coffee. that's the most common thing. other companies are analyzing the data and figuring out where people go throughout the day. they might see that you go to a school in the morning and then to the gym and the grocery store and then somewhere else and put you in a category that you're a mom or a working parent or something. and then they can serve you ads based on that. there are even financial firms, investment firms and hedge funds using this data to see if they
can get ahead of the market and see if there are more people in -- on factory floors maybe making more products or going into stores and shopping there. >> so you have, for example, senator ron wyden. she was like whoa, hold up, introducing this bill that would put in place new minimum privacy standards, put in place steep fines for companies that misuse this, even jail time, national do not track system, et cetera. what obstacles do you see this facing? >> millions and millions of dollars of lobbying? just to start. >> that's one. >> i think this is the first step. clearly where you're going to have senators and members start november hearings and think about this kind of thing. there is going to be big obstacles even though google might not be congress's favorite company, it's good will about what tech companies are happening. >> your colleague tweeted something interesting about your piece. he said if the president of the united states uses an unsecure phone, it's entirely possible that a private data broker in
the u.s. is selling a record of the president's physical movements and location throughout the day. what do you make of that? >> it's hypothetically possible. i cannot claim to know what is on the president's phone other than twitter. we were in this data able to find people who traveled with the mayor of new york city and went to areas that conformed to his public schedule. so we do know that it is possible to track people even if they would be a pretty sensitive target. >> thank you very much for coming onto talk through your new piece. stick around for sources say. we'll also have today's big picture right after the break. the heavier i get. and while your pants struggle to support the heavier you, your roof struggles to support the heavier me.
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time to get a look at what our sources are saying on different stories that we're reporting out. yamiche, you're looking at something flying under the radar but it's still really important, the gm thing. >> the gm plants closing and possibly laying off thousands of people. it could become a 2020 people. the ceo of gm has been leading with lawmakers including sherrod brown who is toying with running in to 2020. if gm moves the plants to other places, people could hold that against trump. this is trump country. these are the people losing their jobs that went for trump. a lot of these counties went from blue to red because of trump. it's an issue to watch.
>> anna, you're looking to tomorrow's meeting. i am too between chuck and nancy and donald trump. >> shut down, shut down, shut down. yes. i'm hearing from sources on the hill that democrats are not in a deal making mood, that they are looking to really hold firm. anybody planning on big trips in the -- after december 21st, they might push pause before you buy your ticket. >> sorry, mom. i'll be home eventually for the holidays. thank you both very much. we wrap up with today's big picture. this is packing heat. it comes to us from a hot tub in china. not any tub. look at this one. it is filled with thousands of red hot chili peppers. these are brave souls to took part in the eating competition. they had one minute to eat has many chilies has they could while sitting in this bath. a woman ate 20 peppers in 06 seconds earning herself a gold
medal and the title of spicy queen. the photographer here is for "imagine china" via the associated press. would love to hear your thoughts. for you, over to craig melvin, the spicy queen. >> you beat me to that title. have a good week. craig melvin. nbc head quarters in new york city. president trump boasting no smocking gun and no collusion between his campaign and the filings by robert mueller. with scrutiny on the president's conduct, how much jeopardy is he in really? and white house chief of staff john kelly is on his way out. the man tapped to replace him says thanks but no thanks. who is next? omarosa will join me for more on