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could the new details rudy giuliani reveals in a series of interviews put the president in more legal jeopardy? also social distortion. two new blistering reports laying out russia's widespread influence in the 2016 election and beyond. they call out several social media companies for withholding key information from investigators. and on the border.
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>> first, rudy giuliani is not the most precise speaker. it is certainly possible that he is -- >> very diplomatic of you. >> it is certainly possible that he misspoke here. it's not necessarily the bomb shell that just happened. it certainly points to a problematic issue. during the campaign, we know this, there was a pursuit by the trump organization to have a trump tower in moscow. it is going to raise questions of if not collusion, per se, or conspiracy, at least some sort of mutual beneficial relationship. if donald trump could be making money from influential russians, even the russian government if this tower were to go through. and i think what we saw from rudy giuliani yesterday, it's a bigger picture. sort of their new defense. they're overall strategy is like when we've seen the president shift his explanation whether it's about the hush money
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payments or episodes of collusion, first it was complete denial, and now it's just well, if it happened, it wouldn't be a crime. >> right. >> you've covered this administration for some time, jonathan. why do they continue to put out rudy giuliani? why is he the sunday morning show guy or -- is he the best voice for legal matters pertaining to the president of this administration? not to put you on the spot. i know you're going to talk to him later. >> it's a few things. first, for a long time there was no one in this role. the president really wanted a public face an attack dog. someone to mix it up on the sunday shows, a role rudy giuliani has embraced. and yes, he has caused some trouble and confusion along the way. i will say there are a number of key members of the president's staff in the west wing who are always holding their breath every time rudy giuliani goes on television. they're afraid of what he's going to say next. he feels like the president has been effective in putting his case out there and muddying the waters. there's so much for people to
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keep track of. it's easy to get confused. it's all the shifting narratives. he feels like this is good for him with the public and also macon fu may confuse the members of congress. >> rudy giuliani is dry ice for the trump white house. i mean, he's kind of this fog machine. you're not sure whether he's totally in possession or i should say in control of what he's saying as you said he said november 2016. that sounds like a bomb shell. s he might have meant november 2015. that serves the purposes of the -- of the president. because the whole idea here is simply to on if i skate. it's to create a cloud of confusion in the mind of the public that you lose track. in that sense, whether rudy giuliani is crazy like a fox or just crazy doesn't matter.
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he's achieving the same thing. >> it's effective. truth isn't truth. joyce, one of those answers he gave is a reversal. the other is setting the ground work for a reversal, it appears. from a legal standpoint, would there be any reason rudy giuliani would do that other than what brett suggested, confusion? >> well, since i don't have to speak to rudy giuliani later today, maybe i can be a little more freer with my comments. i'll just say that rudy giuliani is clearly running a pr strategy that's unworthy of a former united states attorney that's just incredibly and increasingly unseamly. because what he's doing as we've discussed is trying to obscure the truth. he's trying to make sure that the american people don't know what the truth is. and often he's the lost leader. he's the one who comes out in front, new facts that are undeniable. he has the fact trump was negotiating with russia.
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he told the american people he had no more dealings with russia, and rudy puts this out in a way so by the time the truth comes to light from legitimate sources, the american people are numb to it. no legal impact. just a pr strategy. >> a revelation from that conversation that rudy giuliani had on television was about the reach of the special counsel. here's what he said. >> they're going back to 1982. 1983. they're going through business records. >> now, again, we should point out we don't know if that's actually true, but if he is telling the truth, joyce, that they're examining the president's business practices going back decades, what does that tell you about the information in the case bob mueller is building? >> they're concerned about the president's history with russia and other foreign countries. the way you understand today is by understanding yesterday. and that's true more so than any place else when you're looking
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at financial records. it would be irresponsible if they didn't look at what they had available to them, and this idea that the president can draw a red line and say you can't look at my personal finances is ridiculous. no one is above the law. trump is not above the law. investigators we should trust them to do their job. they've proven trustworthy so far. >> here's the thing. there's this new poll from nbc news and "the wall street journal." the poll shows that 62%, 62% polled say they believe trump is not being honest and truthable about russia's 2016 meddling. 34% say he's honest. and the party is still with him. why? >> for one thing, trump has made truth kind of optional. i think jimmy carter said he promised never to lie to the american people. trump promises only to tell lies to the person people. second, i think the republican party has priced in trump's sort
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of congenital -- >> okay. >> they say okay, he's dishonest. he's a liar. that's okay. that's the gentlest explanation i can offer. the sad fact is the republican party has adopted the kind of standards that they denounce when democrats are alleged to have practiced those standards. think of the way the republicans treated clinton during the impeachment saga. the ultimate answer is it's a naked case of hypocrisy. >> one of the things that continues to strike me. mulvaney named white house chief of staff over the weekend. we should point out acting white house chief of staff over the weekend. and the things that mulvaney
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said about this president a few years ago, and it's one thing to criticize a person's policy. he said he's not a good person. he's not a good person. and yet, now he's his chief of staff. >> that's what we've seen many republicans have to do. they express reservations about donald trump, the candidate's character back in 2015, 2016. now that he's president, they are mostly terrified of his twitter account, they've fallen in line. mulvaney is a perfect example. he's done a good job of cozying up the president. he has fallen in line with a lot of his core principals and ideology. mulvaney is someone people are revoo relieved was chosen for the post. they feel he's reasonable and has got hill experience. he's pretty well liked but can improve relationships there and
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as they gear up for the president's not only reelection campaign but for the impending siege from the house, the democratic-controlled house. but he is someone who has been critical of the president in the past, but donald trump for now is willing to forgive that. but the word acting is in the title. that could change at any minute. >> and apparently it was mulvaney's idea to keep it in the title. thank you both. joyce, always good to have you. thank you as well. staggering numbers show the extent of russia's manipulation of social media networks in attempts to influence the american political process. two new draft reports prepared for the senate intelligence committee obtained by nbc news found russia used every major social media platform to create content to help elect president trump and to support him while in office. the report notes the russian campaigns heavily focussed on the african american community.
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facebook officials told officials the campaign reached 126 million people on facebook and 20 million more on instagram. ken delaney has the new details. ken, let's start with how widespread this russian effort was, and why target african americans? >> sure. well, in terms of numbers, craig, the researchers believe it was higher than what facebook was saying there. they counted more than 250 million engagements with these propaganda posts on facebook and instagram alone. i mean, this was an extensive effort to sort of turn the crown jewels of the american technology industry which have so expanded democratic speech online. turn that against the american public by manipulating voters with propaganda. that jumps out. they targeted the african american community and these reports don't explain why. they make clear part of it was intended to suppress the vote
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and raise questions about hillary clinton and her candidacy for presidency. and there's a long history in soviet propaganda going back decades of trying to exploit racial tension in the united states. it appears this russian effort picked up on that. these reports analyze millions of posts by the internet research agency which is the st. petersberg russia investigation. it charged executives with conspiracy against the united states. this is not the first we're hearing about this activity. but these two reports prepared for the senate intelligence committee really give us new information about the scope and the really sort of genius tactics that the russians used. this is something that they started back in 2012. they were preparing a long time. and they swung it into action for the 2016 election, and they're still doing it to this day. >> and youtube was -- the. >> in terms of african americans alone, the -- these reports
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counted ten youtube channels targeting african americans and more than 571 videos focusing on black lives matter and police brutality. youtube originally said there was nothing that targeted a particular group, but researchers are saying that's wrong. they clearly targeted african americans. >> ken, thank you. we'll have more on ken's reporting in a few moments. i'm going to talk to the former u.s. chief technology officer under president obama about how much responsibility the social media companies should bare. plus a new ruling invalidating obama care that could lead to another huge health care fight in washington. and white house chaos. the president down another cabinet secretary. he's taking shots at one of his foes while he's down. i'm going to talk to bill crystal in a few moments. neutrogena® rapid wrinkle repair's
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let's dive into the russian disinformation campaign aimed to american voters during the campaign and continuing into his presidency. two draft reports prepared for the senate intelligence committee reported by nbc news and "the washington post" found russia made widespread use of social media to support donald trump the candidate and to support donald trump the president.
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let's bring in anish. thanks for your time. this research done by oxford university and a cyber security company. it offers new details of how russians looking at the internet research agency essentially divided up the american public into interest groups and directed messaging aimed at the groups. what was it for the russians? what was the end game? do we know yet? >> great question. i don't know if we can speak to the end game for the russians. perhaps the bigger news coming out of the report is the capacity for any organization to divide the country in this manner. it might help us get smarter about the use of these platforms in the election's context. whether the actor is russia or a campaign or organization, the fact that your information that might have been shared for purposes of sharing pictures of your family with loved ones might be used to exploit you to affect your vote, that's
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troubling for all americans. the russia story and their motives are one thing. understanding the capacity in these platforms is another. i hope it will give us another push to get congress to move on an internet privacy bill of rights. >> most of the focus has been on facebook and twitter. take a look at these instagram numbers. russians operated 133 instagram accounts according to the reports. posts went from 2600 a month in 2016 to 6,000 in 2017. russian gram posts generated 185 million likes and 4 million user comments over three years. what groups of people did the russians target? what do we know about these groups? >> i think what you'll learn more than anything else is if you want -- these reports are going to be great to understand where the digital platforms are moving. and i think you're getting a signal here about where audiences are shifting and engaging more online. instagram clearly appearing as one of the more high growing
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platforms for these types of activities. the troubling allegation here is that one can identify through unexpected means that this is a you sign up for an account on a social media platform. you share information and like and engage thinking you're doing something about a cause you care about. and that information is being exploited on the back end. it doesn't matter where the platform is facebook or instagram. now both owned by the same company. rather, how it's being reused for ad targeting programs in ways the american people haven't understood or appreciated. as specifics, in this example as you heard in your earlier segment, clearly the african american segment was less reported and is going to get the most concentrated focus given the fact that that community in particular was a lot about persuasion but rather convincing them not to vote in many ways. that's a troubling sign for the health of our democracy.
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>> voter suppression. social media giants, as you know, are big spenders when it comes to lobbying. these are some numbers for the center for responsive politics. google, $60.5 million on lobbying this year alone. facebook nearly $9.8 million. has that bought them immunity on capitol hill or are we likely to see real changes with the way congress deals with silicon valley? >> i believe those numbers while an indication of the symptom or disease of washington politics aren't the case for how we're going to move forward here, i believe there's growing bipartisan consensus and we have to take this wonderful aspect of our economy and bring rules of the road here, especially as it relates to the elections and transparency. here's the other point. the platforms have every
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capability to make changes themselves. it's going to be the case for the next several decades that the pace of technological change will exceed our policy-making response. so it is incumbent on organizations to have code of conduct or ethics that would allow them to think about how their platforms might be misused. i don't think any of these platforms intended that they be made available for misuse, and yet, they clearly were. so my hope is yes, we want regulatory action and i think there will be an internet privacy bill of rights this year. i also hope the industry will start to organize themselves in an ethics framework for ai and machine learning and some of the underlying technologies that allow for this type of exploitation and scale. we need an all hands on deck approach and the lobbying -- my hope here is the american people are going to rise up and say we've got to get this under
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it is the fight nobody in washington wanted. another debate over the future of the affordable care act. a ruling by a federal court judge on friday night invalidated the law, but did not end any of the provisions. the trump administration said the law would stand for now. the president doing what the president is wanting to do. he's tweeting this morning about it. we have a chance working with the democrats to deliver great health care, a confirming supreme court decision will lead to great, all caps there, great health care results for americans. kentucky's attorney general this morning says he is going to appeal the ruling to protect coverage of kentucky residents. that happening a few hours ago. let's bring in jonathan grouber
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and anton gunn he was intimately involved in the rollout of obama care and is the author of a book called "presidential principles". there's the book on your screen. mr. gunn, i'll start with you. what does this court ruling mean for the nearly 20 million americans now covered by obama care or those who are newly enrolled for 2019? >> this court ruling means nothing. i feel like we've been having this conversation 70 times. every time the republican leadership has tried to undo the affordable care act. this means nothing. we're a long way away from this meaning something. president obama said yesterday his ruling doesn't change anything. we had a lot of people who went out and signed up for coverage this past december 15th. we have another open enrollment period to come up next year. this is about playing politics again with people's health care.
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there's 23 million people who have health care because of the affordable care act. and what this ruling is trying to do is to take away what 23 million people have. and it's not sustainable. it doesn't work. we have to find a way to fix the affordable care act and make it better for everyone that needs access to quality health care. >> jonathan, how would you character rise the state of the aca as it stands right now? >> look, the aca is basically in a weakened version of what was passed, but still quite strong. i would say we're covering fewer people than if president trump wasn't president. premiums are significantly higher than they would have been if president trump wasn't president. the bottom line is we've got millions more americans with coverage. maybe 17 to 20 million more americans with coverage. we've got a fixed insurance market where people cannot be discame nated against because they're sick, and we've got a program that looks a lot like what democrats would have passed.
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it's ironic that what trump and the republicans have done is taken the bipartisan part of the aca. we have a law that's covered millions of low income americans and through tax income, has provided it. there's no reason for it to go away. it's going to stay in place. >> jonathan, why are premiums higher under this administration than they would have been under another, do you think? >> absolutely critical to recognize that insurers were facing a new market here. one they weren't sure how to deal with. they don't like uncertainty. what trump has done and the republicans, injected uncertainty into the market in a way that insurers say i don't want to be a part of this. you have made my life uncertain and difficult. i don't want to be part of this market. and they've exited. insurers said before president trump was elected, the market stabilized and they were excited to participate. the trump and the republicans blew it up. it's a system with high and
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rising premiums. to be clear, fortunately because of the structure of the affordable care act, most people in the exchanges pay a premium that's a fixed percent of their income. they can be in the exchange and millions of americans have benefitted. they've raised costs for the government. >> anton, politico is reporting congress was ready to move on from obama care. republicans have been on the defensive since the failure of their efforts to dismantle obama care. how much of a nightmare is this ruling for republican lawmakers? >> well, it just shows their ineptitude. 70 times they tried to repeal it and it didn't work. now young judges are trying to invalidate the law. it's the failed leadership that we had under this republican controlled congress. what i hope to see with the new
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congress is we hind a wfind a w make the aca stronger and more americans get coverage. you see more and more states are expanding medicaid, providing coverage to more citizens. they recognize the law works. and what we need are leaders who fix things that provide gaps where people don't have coverage but don't try to undermine the law. millions of others with preexisting conditions depend on this to provide health care coverage. we need quality leadership to move it forward. i think that's what we'll get with the new congress. >> this appears as this this is going to find its way to the supreme court. how concerned are you about the future of the affordable care act? >> well, legal theory terms, i'm not concerned. the lawyers who led the previous effort to repeal the affordable care act have themselves said this is an idiotic decision.
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okay? basically there's no question here in terms of constitutional scholarship. the problem is there was also little question in previous supreme court cases. and they went down to the wire. since supreme court doesn't reflect, apparently, the judicial mainstream on issues like this, i'm worried. >> jonathan, anton, thank you both. thank you. >> turning now to the fight over the fate of asylum seekers detained at the u.s./mexico border. it has become highly politicized. even more so now that we are facing a potential government shutdown at the end of this week. the sticking point, of course, funding for the president's border wall. on the border the conditions are being scrutinized after the tragic death of a seven-year-old migrant girl who was being held in government custody last week. cal perry went to the border. he has exclusive video showing the situation at a shelter there. you just got back from mexico.
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what did you see and hear at the shelter? >> normally you come to the u.s. boa border you present yourself and say i want to apply for asylum. these people are now in a center in juarez. these people are being held in the migrant center in what is being called metering let in in very small groups, 30 people at a time. only 60 people per day. the u.s. government had said they should be assigned numbers. i want to be clear. the numbering on the arms is happening from groups in mexico. this is not because of the u.s. government. this is happening because groups in mexico want to draw attention to this problem. you have scared kids who know they could be separated from their parents waiting in this shelter. it is a policy that has shifted. it's a policy that has shifted without transparency. this is a change. we reached out to cbp. we heard from them last night. they had this statement. they're basically saying the port of entry facilities were
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not designed to hold hundreds of people at a time who may be seeking asylum. i'll let you read the rest. the bottom line is president trump has said repeatedly he wants migrants to present themselves only at ports of entry. how many times have we heard that? now what here hearing is the ports of entry are full and they can't take more people. you have migrants making the decision to go a more dangerous way through the desert. that's what happened to the seven-year-old. >> i want to go back to the writing on the arm. that is something to be clear, that's being done by mexican authorities to call attention to what's happening. >> partly to call attention to what's happening. partly because the people don't travel with anything. and they need to know their number. they're called 30 at a time. 60 during the day. part of it, i think, is absolutely to draw attention to what's happening. the other half of it i think is a logistical, legitimate reason. >> you always talked to beto
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o'roarke on friday. rising democratic star. ran for the senate in texas. what did he have to say about this? >> as i said, these kids are terrified. they know that there's a chance they could be separated from their parents. they're hearing about the things happening in custody. we asked beto what he thought about the death of that seven-year-old girl, specifically how the u.s. government handled it. take a listen. >> a seven-year-old girl died yesterday. dhs said parents shouldn't be doing this. what is your reaction to that? >> you do not travel 2000 miles with your seven-year-old child for kicks. to take advantage of another country. you do it because you're desperate. what would cause you to take your child and make that journey unless it was the only thing you could do to save your child's life? >> we reached out to congressman
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o'roarke last night. we showed him the statement from cbp. he wrote he have the resources to facility legitimate trade and travel at our ports while upholding our best traditions as a nation of immigrants. a shining city on the hill. these kids can see el paso from jaurez. they can see the star on the side of the mountain, but they can't get there. the uncertainty of what's going to happen, will they end up in a camp in the middle of the desert or be allowed to stay with their parents? it's something this administration is doing intentionally to be cruel to send a message to the rest of the world. >> cal, thank you. he will have more from that exclusive look inside the migrant shelter in juarez tonight at 10:00 eastern only on msnbc. the president of the united states calling out one of his critics, a conservative who started a publication that was just shut down.
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the long time conservative publication, the weekly standards final issue appears today. "the standard" has always stood
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out by publishing pieces critical of president trump. even early on the president gloated over the weekend tweeting, quote, the pathetic and dishonest weekly standard run by bill crystal who like many others never had a clue is flak broflat broke own out of business. i am joined now by bill kristol. he's a long time friend of the show. and dana millbank is also with me. mr. kristol, a response to the criticism from the president of the united states? >> nothing worth responding to. i was struck by his rest comment. rest in pieeace. he wants others to go away and stop trying to save
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conservativism and the republican party and america from donald trump. i don't think we're going away. we will not rest in peace. >> how are you and your colleagues doing? >> pretty well, thanks. i mean, we've seen this coming for a while. and i've been helping some of the younger people make sure they get jobs lined up. i think the fact that people -- i will say respected the work of the standard. they have gotten job offers or approaches. i think we'll be okay. >> dana, president trump not shy when it comes to tweeting his negative opinions, even members and groups from his own party like the freedom caucus. paul ryan, lindsey graham as well. can he continue to govern and even seem presidential when he insults people like this? >> he can continue to tweet. i don't know if he can continue to govern or if he's been doing that with any effectiveness.
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if i could just say about bill kristol, he's been a towering figure in journalism. i often disagreed with what was written in the weekly standard, but it always set a standard, and the reason it's had trouble is because the industry is having all kind of trouble. it has nothing to do with criticism of president trump who has eviscerated the intellectual conservative movement which became the never trump movement. i think we're seeing now the result of that, and he can't form anything resembling a governing coalition in the congress right now. it is getting worse rather than better and hopefully the forces of conservativism in america will begin to reject this before it completely destroys the movement and it can rebound from that. >> president trump just reporting mulvaney as his acting chief of staff.
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some of what mr. mulvaney said years ago has resurfaced. he used some harsh words to describe then candidate trump. >> do i like donald trump? no. is he a role model for two of my 16-year-old triplets? for my sons? absolutely not. yes, i'm supporting trump. i think he's a terrible human being, but the choice on the other side is just as bad. >> to be clear, for folk who is may have been listening on radio who couldn't understand what he said, he said at one point he is a terrible human being. that's how he described then candidate trump, now president trump. what do you make of that, bill? can you go from just a few years ago saying someone is a terrible human to yeah, i'm going to work for the guy and help him run his administration? >> apparently you can, craig. we have evidence before our eyes.
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people told the truth about donald trump when he was less powerful. this is often the case. it's harder to tell the truth to power, and to be fair, some people think they're going in there and checking his worst impulses. some are and doing some good for the country. it is striking how many people in and out -- it's one thing if you're a member of congress or a member of the administration. what's striking is how many people outside just want to get along with the guy. he's president, i guess. it's powerful. you don't want to be at odds with your president if he's from your party, but i think it's shortsighted. what strikes me is the beginning, we're seeing finally the cracks and the facade we should have seen a long time ago. conservatives, republicans realizing this is not going to end well. they're not -- they don't want to be on this train. they still don't have the nerve, a lot of them to break. i would say the closing of the weekly standard, it isn't -- i think will be a contrarian i indicat indicator. i think it's the end of the sort of trump -- beginning of the end of the trump sentencing, at
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least i hope. maybe a bit of a signal that's going to run its course. i think the next couple years will be a rebound from trump, at least i hope so. >> yeah. you just said part of the shutdown at the standard is trump related. how so, bill? >> i don't want to get into internal deliberations and stuff with our owners who were generous to us for many years, but it's clear they didn't like being in the position of having to say this magazine which has editorial independence is critical of the republican president. they have every right to close us down. i think we could have worked out a sale in under circumstances, but it is striking how much bullying there is not just from trump himself or from his people who work for him, but the whole trump orbit has absorbed his personal style of bullying. it's not just i don't like the weekly standard. they're wrong. why do they bother to exist? that's fine. but it's also -- they should be closed down and when they are,
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we're going to really relish the fact that they're closed down. it's unusual. i've disagreed with a lot of people over the years. i criticize them. it never occurs to me to be happy when young people are thrown out of a job or another voice is shut off, at least temporarily from the american political debate. >> in a civilized society, one typically doesn't wallow in other people's misfortune. mr. kristol, i was turned on to the publication by a common law professor. i always enjoyed it and you. i'm glad to hear you and your colleagues are doing well. we'll see you around here a ton. you can't get rid of us. >> thank you. thank you both. behind the jersey, an nfl player's journey from being a victim of human trafficking to homelessness, to the big time. >> what was it about american football that caught your attention? >> it was an outlet.
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carolina panthers defensive end may seem like another nfl
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player but a closer look-se shoa personal journey nothing more than extraordinary. jeff bennet with more on his story. >> he plays like his life depends on it. >> nice job, f.a. >> win or lose, life or death for me. been long and hard, a long route to the nfl, the unconventional route. >> he was born in nigeria and at 10 years old, the victim of human trafficking. he and his older sister homeless on the streets of london before bouncing around homes. f.a. discovered football. >> what was it about american football that caught your attention? >> it was an outlet. lack of progression. the physicality gave me the outlet. >> the rare combination of speed and power caught the attention of nfl scouts.
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the 26-year-old was assigned to carolina through the nfl's international player pathway program which develops foreign players who show potential. efe's raw talent made an instant impression on carolina panthers coach ron rivera. >> it was an honor to tell him, listen, dude, you've earned this. congratulations and let's go make something happen. >> how has the team reacted to him? >> i think they've reacted tremendously well. even the guys competing for playing time with him cheer because they see it. he practices hard every day. he takes it very serious. he's very diligent with his work. >> efe earned the game ball in his impressive nfl debut. not bad for a novice who until four years ago hardly knew the rules of the game. >> every day, i'm still trying to close the gap between me and some of the other guys who have been doing this for years. honestly, i'm just grateful. >> a success story in the making. driven by grit and grace.
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that's going to do it. that's going to wrap up this monday edition of "msnbc live." andrea mitchell is standing by for "andrea mitchell reports." right now. >> right now on "andrea mitchell reports," the social network new
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reports show the russian social media campaign to help elect donald trump was much bigger than previously known. and continues to this very day. the number of federal investigations into the president and businesses grow. >> now, the president has wanted to draw a red line to say, you can't look at my business but if the president's business is trying to curry favor with the kremlin, we can't ignore that. crossing the line. the family of a 7-year-old girl who died in border patrol challenges the government's account of how she died. acknowledging the government cannot handle this crisis. >> our infrastructure is incompatible with this reality. our stations and ports of entry were built to handle mostly male single adults in custody, not children. a potential government shutdown by the end of the week. the ranks of his own cabinet.

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