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and that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. "all in with chris hayes" starts right now. /s tonight on all in. >> the president of the united states is lying about the fbi, attacking the fbi, and attacking the rule of law in this country. how does that make any sense at all? >> donald trump under fire. >> this is the president of the united states calling a witness who has cooperated with his own justice department a rat. >> tonight, new movement on cohen, flynn and more as 17 separate investigations bear down on the president. plus, how the russians and the trump campaign each tried to suppress african-american voters. >> they didn't come out to vote for hillary. they didn't come out. >> then, making sense of the new legal threat to obamacare. and just what exactly is happening on the border? >> people who tried to lawfully
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poe advertisi petition for asylum are turned away with a permanent marker on their wrist. >> all in starts right now. good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. every day, it seems, the president sounds more and more like a mob boss. we've been watching him intimidate witnesses, rail against law enforcement, talk about flipping. but this weekend it was the first time he actually unironically used the term rat to describe a guy who, by the way, is about to go to prison. former if in f former fbi director james comey made a reference to mob boss was on capitol hill today and he was not holding back. >> what impact does it have when the president calls michael cohen a rat, somebody who is cooperating with a investigation and questions how his office was raided by the fbi? >> it undermines the rule of law. this is the president of the
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united states calling a witness, who has cooperated with his own justice department, a rat. say that again to yourself at home and remind yourself where we have ended up. this is not about republicans and democrats. this is about what does it mean to be an american. what are the things that we care about? above our policy disputes, which are important. there is a set of values that represent the glue of this country, and they are under attack by things just like that. we have to stop being numb to it, whether you're republican or democrat, you need to stand on your feet, overcome your shame and say something. >> trump is also now facing down the kind of legal troubles that would make a lifelong professional criminal worry. michael cohen is just one of many concerns. tomorrow trump's former national security advisor michael flynn will be sentenced in federal court. and if the unregistered turkish agent working on the trump transition who is federally indicted today is news to you, don't blame yourself. it's because there are at least 17 ongoing lines of investigation into trump and his
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associates. the russian government attack, wikileaks and whether trump associates had advance knowledge, or coordinated those plans. there is the question of middle eastern influence in the trump campaign. former trump campaign paul manafort has already been convicted much eight felonies. there is a world of things we don't know about the extent of his legal troubles. just last week michael cohen leaded guilty to lying about the time and scope of the trump tower moscow project. remember that? it was just last week. robert mueller is looking into even more contacts between russia and the campaign and transition teams, including the infamous trump tower meeting between manafort, donald trump, jr., jared kushner and several russians. he is also investigating possible obstruction of justice resulting from trump's dismissal of james comey and his efforts to get michael flynn off the hook. the sdny named then candidate trump as individual one in cohen's guilty plea last week relating to alleged hush money payments in violation of federal law. we know prosecutors are looking
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into the record $107 million raised by trump's inaugural committee, 40 million of so we don't know what happened to. there are also reports they are looking into possible foreign money flowing into the trump super pac. investigation into foreign lobbying resulted in a dutch lawyer pleading guilty earlier this year. just last week, russian agent maria butina agreed to cooperate about russian attempts to influence prominent u.s. organizations like the nra, which backed trump in record donations. there is also separate charge for the alleged chief accountant of russia's internet agency. and an investigation into turkish influence that led to those two indictments today. finally, on a state level, there are investigations into trump taxes, a state lawsuit charging trump's charity with sweeping violations of campaign finance laws, and finally, the 17th investigation, the emoluments lawsuit alleging the president is accepting payments from foreign powers while in office, in violation of the u.s. constitution.
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and keep in mind, these are the investigations that we know about. here to help unravel all this, david farenthold covering president trump's businesses, conflicts the of interests. and reporter for latest report, trump inaugural committee's fund-raising was a mess from the start. but a new investigation could finally provide some answers. and, christine, let me start with you on precisely that question. this is a kind of thing that's been sitting out in front of everyone for a while, but i think a variety of things have focused attention to it, not the least the fact that it now appears there are actual federal investigations into the inaugural committee. >> yes. ever since the first reports came out of who these inaugural donors were, it began to raise red flags among people like david and me who look at the profiles of big donors all day long. you know, you have a typical kind of profile of someone who is going to donate, say, $100,000 to a presidential inaugural, they might be a big corporation or they might be,
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you know, a big oil ceo for trump or a republican philanthropist. but it's typically a person who has a pattern and history in politics. and what we saw almost immediately with the trump inaugural were all of these sort of black box kind of donors who either had untraceable addresses or whose names didn't match up with any public records, or who had strong business interests and potentially guests from russia and in russia, and who were giving enormous -- i mean, sums, there aren't any limits to what you can give to an inaugural committee so they were giving 100,000, $200,000, $500,000. and we looked at them really closely, but journalists can only go so far. it sounds like investigators are taking the next steps. >> you know, david, it strikes me there's a theme here in the timing of all this. when you look at the reporting you had about the saudis essentially running the scam where they run up a block of
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rooms in trump hotels, christina and others, flynn's lying during the transition, it really does seem like there is this period where donald trump wins the presidency against all odds, and the scramble, a kind of mad rush in a bunch of different directions, how do we get to these people and how do we influence them, and they seem to like money, maybe that's the way to go. >> that's right. and we're still unraveling that. you did see a lot of people connected with donald trump trying to kind of cash in either as lobbyists or in mike flynn's case, basically unregistered foreign lobbyist in that period. all of these people who will r who had come to the trump campaign because the trump campaign was sort of the last resort, people on the conservative side. it was people who had nothing to lose, now all of a sudden they're given this power and influence. they are now people in demand in washington, washington's interests trying to reorient this new administration. the inauguration is a great example. as christina said, we still don't know a lot about what happened there. this is clearly what was going on.
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people trying to find, who can i influence? who can i buy in this world? and the inauguration was a huge example of that. >> i want to follow-up on that because one of the other through lines, the trump oerg and the inaugural committee, the answers are newlyable, right, david? there exists on some computer somewhere records of flows of money into the trump org and their sources. it's just that we publicly don't have access to them. >> that's right. and i think we are moving closer or not me, but there are people who are out there getting a little bit closer. emoluments clause lawsuit you mention, in the grand scheme of things for trump it may seem like a small issue. but the plaintiffs in that case have gotten to the right of so ir they're able to ask the organization with the court's backing who are your foreign clients, how much did they pay, did you influence them? that world is left to scratch and claw, we've only seen the bare outlines of it. there are people out there using
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the power of the courts to try to see the whole picture. >> go a hid. christina, that's the same thing on the inaugural committee, why i might have perked up. you did this amazing work, crowd sourcing on a spreadsheet. who are these donors, who are these people, what are these llcs that got created out of nowhere to get money? there is so much on the public record they have to disclose legally. but the idea you have some people with subpoena power or compel testimony or in a u.s. attorney's office going through those records, that's a whole different ball game. >> yes, it is. i think what is also so interesting about the inaugural committee is the way inaugural fund-raising works, there are very few rules. so you can take, in donald trump's case, he could take unlimited contributions from corporations and he did, and he could take unlimited contributions from individuals. the only real rules are you have to report the money and you're not allowed to take money from foreign nationals and foreign governments. so when we look at a lot of these records that don't add up,
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addresses that don't exist, people who had never given before all of a sudden, you know, show up, who don't, say, have very lucrative jobs and show up with hundreds of thousands of dollars, you really have to ask more deeply in a setting where you can disclose anything and there are very few illegal donations, the real -- the only rule is that no foreign money. it makes -- it's a set ing with very few rules. when these rules look like they're being bent, there are only so many places you can look. >> we should note there is already one case of indictment about a straw purchase for a foreign donor, right? there is a washington lobbyist who did that. so this is not idle speculation. we have one example concretely where this happened. david, where do you think it goes next in terms of how -- i guess here's my question. how much of trump org is caverned off into what investigators are looking into? is it so interconnected they
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follow one part of the spider web they're going to end up in the center? >> people at s.d.n.y., we don't know how far they want to g. his m.o. has always been very secretive to the outside world, but to limit knowledge about his business to a small circle of people. we're starting to see people from that circle getting pulled out, turned. michael cohen is a great example. a guy named allen weisselberg who has been trump's cfo since the '80s it's a small company. he knows it all. he's agreed to cooperate with authorities to some degree in the case against cohen. if people like that start to turn or they see a real risk to themselves. they may value themselves over trump. and the information is not that compartment alliesed. a few people know it all. >> david farenthold and christina wilkie, that was great. james comey called out republican lawmakers for failing to stand up to president trump.
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>> so, another day of hillary clinton's e-mails and the steele dossier. this while the president of the united states is lying about the fbi, attacking the fbi, and attacking the rule of law in this country. how does that make any sense at all? republicans used to understand that the actions of a president matter. we have words of a president matter, the rule of law matters and, and the truth matters. where are those republicans today? at some point, someone that's to stand up and in the face of fear of fox news, fear of their base, fear of mean tweets, stand up for the values of this country and not shrink away into retirement. but stand up and speak the truth. i find it frustrating to be here answering questions about things that are far less important than the values of this country is built upon. >> joining me now, democratic senator sheldon whitehouse, rhode island, he's a member of the senate judiciary committee. first i want to get your reaction, senator, to something james comey responded to, which is the president of the united states referring to michael
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cohen as a rat. as a former u.s. attorney yourself, a member of the senate judiciary, what do you think about that? >> well, i think it seems a lot like a signal to other potential cooperators that he will turn on them and that there will be a price. so to the extent that he's been engaged in obstruction of justice in plain view for months and months and months now, this is just yet another episode of obstruction in plain view. >> there is also some news tonight about michael flynn. i don't know the degree you follow this, but there has been a kind of conservative theory spun out that michael flynn was the unwitting victim of some kind of entrapment by the fbi officers that questioned him, and there is actually tonight the actual notes from those fbi investigators have been released. and it's somewhat remarkable. they show flynn being given time and time again opportunity to come clean and tell the truth about the nature of his conversation with -- conversations with sergey
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kislyak, the intervening agents asked flynn if he recalled any conversation with kislyak in which the expulsions, meaning the expulsion of russian diplomats, asking kislyak not to escalate the situation, not to engage in tit for tat, flynn responded, not really, i don't remember. what do you think of that? >> well, i think the opposite of the republican narrative is likely the truth. i think that when fbi agents go up and actually enter the white house to do a formal interview of the national security director, they've got to be pretty anxious going in, that they real have i to stay well within bounds. they don't want to be tangling with the white house or the national security director. they want to be well within, you know, proper procedures and give the guy every chance he can to clean up his story and give them an out not to have to come back and report to, as they turned out to have to do, sally yates.
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oh, my god, we just got lied to on a national security matter by the national security director involving the russians. and that set this all off. but you're right, the 302 form that they filled out seems very consistent with the kind of caution you'd expect from fbi agents as they go into the white house to take an interview of a prominent national figure. >> you know, since michael cohen has pleaded guilty to lying to congress, which you are a member of in the united states senate, and we have the sort of additional information from the sentencing about what the u.s. southern district looks at in terms of the violation of campaign finance law, many people feel like we're on different terrain now than we were before. i wonder if it feels that way on capitol hill, if you feel like in the last week or so things are on a different train legally for the president. >> two things are happening. one, i think the investigations in courts and in grand juries are piling up enough that they are starting to kind of surround the president and put him in a
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position where it becomes increasingly complicated to try to deceive your way around thing. the tangled web starts to actually tangle and snare him and the people around him. it's too many investigations to keep your stories straight. on the other side, outside of the judicial branch and these executive investigations and grand juries and in courts and so forth, you have congress. the house was engaged for a long time in what very much appeared to be a coordinated effort to obstruct the fbi investigation. and we don't know anywhere near enough about the house members and their staff and what connections and coordination and collusion they had with the president and his lawyers and the white house counsel in coordinating the response to this. we don't know anything about it, but we do know that the house was just hopeless in terms of looking into this in any kind of sincere way. they were just blocking for the
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president. now the white house is in democratic hands and in addition to the 17 investigations that you showed, there are going to be subpoenas starting to land. there are going to be witnesses starting to be interviewed. these dubious assertions of privilege are going to be explored, and i think exploded. and a whole new amount of public information is going to come pouring out through the legislative branch. >> there is a story today about nancy pelosi successfully reining her caucus in, persuading members of the democratic caucus to not just ahead on things like impeachment, to wait until the mueller report comes out and not get ahead of things. i do wonder sometimes, i hear from democrats all the time, they're very cautious about it politically. but i wonder what lens are you looking at the facts through, the politics or the constitutional duty of the oath of office of president to take care of the laws and faithfully execute it and your constitutional duty to constrain a possible criminal presidency.
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>> i think what you want to do in these circumstances is proceed firmly, but cautiously enough that you're not out way with your mouth ahead of the evidence because you don't want to be caught with your mouth way out ahead of your evidence. you want to take your time. you want to be patient and smart and thorough about building your case. and you probably want to hold a few things back if you possibly can so that when you deliver them, they really come as punches and not just a lot of speculation. so i think that people like jerry nadler and adam schiff are very, very good lawyers and they understand this very well. and i don't think they're going to be investigating with their mouth. i think they're going to be using their tools very cautiously, they prudently and very firmly to make sure that they actually get the real facts out. but some of it is going to be like shooting ducks in a barrel. these bogus assertions of executive privilege, good luck defending that. >> all right.
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senator sheldon whitehouse, thanks for taking time tonight. >> good to be with you. >> coming up, what we learned from newly released senate reports about russian efforts to suppress african-american vote turnout. and how the russian strategy lined up uncannily well with the trump strategy, in two minutes. - [narrator] the typical vacuum head has its limitations, so shark invented duo clean. while deep cleaning carpets, the added soft brush roll picks up large particles, gives floors a polished look, and fearlessly devours piles. duo clean technology, corded and cord-free. discover.o. and fearlessly devours piles. i like your card, but i'm absolutely not paying an annual fee. discover has no annual fees. really? yeah. we just don't believe in them. oh nice. you would not believe how long i've been rehearsing that. no annual fee on any card. only from discover.
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the misinformation effort on the part of russian trolls to help get donald trump elected was far greater than we had previously known. two new reports prepared for the senate intelligence committee examined millions of posts that the russian internet agency posted online pretending to be americans. this tells you to, quote, like for jesus team, ignore for satan team. or even fake hot lines, they set up actual hot lines posted online for people struggling with sexuality and other issues, creating an opportunity, in the words of the report, to blackmail or manipulate these individuals in the future. but what stuck out most to me was the aggressive russian
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effort to target african americans specifically. they deployed memes like this, post to a page called black matters in an effort to suppress african-american support for hillary clinton. part of the reason that tactic jumped out at me, it is a very strange tactic. it is not normally part of the campaign tool kit to take some demographic group and try to suppress them in your messaging. and it also happens to be the same tactic used by none other than the trump campaign. shortly before the election, a senior official told bloomberg, quote, we have three major voter suppression operations underway targeting idealistic white liberals, young women and african americans. after he won the presidency, trump took a victory lap where he celebrated the suppression of black votes. >> we did great with the african-american community. they didn't come out to vote for hillary. they didn't come out. and that was the big -- so, thank you to the african-american community. >> joining me now to discuss the voter suppression effort, chair
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and counsel of the naacp education fund. it is a time honored tool going back to the reconstruction era, but the tactic of selecting groups with a message to tell them not to turnout struck me as weird when the trump campaign copped to it. it's weird to show up in the russian report. what do you think of it? >> well, last week, chris, we filed a complaint in federal district court in alabama challenging the way members of the city council are elected in pleasant grove, alabama, where the black population is 46%, but no african-american has ever been elected to serve on the city council. that's the kind of voting scheme that we are familiar with, that is designed to keep african americans from being able to elect representatives of their choice. we also sued waller county during the midterm because of the disparities in early voting, that they provided to students at prairie view a&m. that's the kind of voter
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suppression tactics we're used to seeing. we all saw what happened in georgia with absentee ballots and some of the work around election fraud that has emerged in the last few weeks. so frankly, the targeting particularly of african-american communities to try to keep african americans from voting, whether by robocalls, by discriminatory voting schemes or even by campaign tactics is tried and true and not weird at all. it's also not weird that outside forces recognize that racism is a vulnerability in the united states that can be exploited. it used to be during the cold war that american leadership, white american leadership feared that the soviet union would benefit from images flashing across american screens of civil rights workers being beaten, and that was part of the reason for some of the support for civil rights gains within white leadership in this country. so it's also not surprising that that's a vulnerability.
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what's shocking and really intense in the two reports, the studies of the 2016 election, is the extent to which russians targeted african-american voters in particular with messages designed to provide misinformation, to manipulate, and to divide. we knew some of this from mueller's indictment of this same group in february, about paragraph 46 of his indictment lays it out in detail. we knew that facebook and instagram had been used, but we did not know the extent of it until these reports. and the extent of it is quite extraordinary. in fact, principally among all the groups targeted, african americans received the most attention by these russian troll farms. the understanding that african-americans should be targeted to try to keep them from voting for democrats, but also recognizing the way in which racism and racial tropes could be used to stir up racial
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divides in the election. very shocking, and very concerning. >> yeah, there was the quote from the african americans were single group targeted most heavily by the i.r.a. and it wasn't a close margin. you had an interesting thread this morning. you've been doing work specifically on race and the franchise and access to voting for a very long time in a dough mystic political context. and you had a threat this morning sort of about the kind of pinch of this, the bite of this in that context, and specifically why it matters to you. i think there are a lot of people who say, look, america's racial issues, the problems of white supremacy in america, disenfranchisement, russia didn't make those. that's born and raised in the usa. and this is a search -- an attempt to scapegoat. why does it matter to you that the russians were using this particular tactic? >> because i just -- you know, this is exactly right. i just described how the kind of intense resources we have to bring to challenge voter suppression and voting
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discrimination at the local level. at the municipal level, at the state level, we had to sue president trump for his election integrity commission. so african americans have to deal with the challenge of voter suppression that is -- that comes at us from state and local governments. and since the trump election, even from the federal government. now what we are learning is we have to face voter suppression efforts by foreign governments. and in this case, what is concerning and what we have to learn from the mueller investigation is whether -- not only do we have to face that challenge from foreign governments using social media platforms, but whether or not social media platforms, facebook and instagram and others are willing to be sufficiently vigilant to try and stop this effort, and whether there are domestic campaigns who, rather than as the american government during the cold war was concerned and responded to civil rights efforts in an effort to keep that influence from
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happening, whether there are domestic campaigns who align themselves with these efforts by russia and russian interests to try and suppress black votes. there were efforts here to keep black people from voting. if you look at the messages, the messages are trying to keep black voters from coming out to the polls. and that's voter suppression. those are messages of voter suppression, like robocalls saying, don't come out on tuesday, come out on wednesday. so the question now is not only are these efforts happening and what are we going to do to stop them, but are there domestic political interests that would be willing to lineup with foreign nationals and foreign interests to try and suppress the african-american vote? >> thank you for being with me tonight. >> thank you, chris. >> ahead, a federal judge rules obamacare unconstitutional. while trump takes a victory lap, why this would be bad for republicans. we'll make sense of it all after this. (chime)
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the 40 house seats the democrats gained in the midterms came in no small part from their focus on health care, particularly the protection of preexisting conditions and the protections for them. while republican candidates, many of whom had joined the lawsuit asking a court to strike down all of obamacare, pretended they wanted to protect people with preexisting conditions. >> i want to repeal obamacare, reduce premiums, protect preexisting conditions. >> that's why i'm taking on both parties and fighting for those with preexisting conditions. >> i voted to protect people with preexisting conditions. >> covering preexisting conditions is personal to me. it's the right thing to do.
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>> we learned our oldest has a rare chronic disease, preexisting condition. i'm josh hawley. i'm forcing insurance companies to cover all preexisting conditions. >> josh hawley was one of the attorneys general who have now won a lawsuit in federal district court to destroy obamacare and get rid of all of its consumer protections, including protections for those with preexisting conditions. if the ruling had gone into immediate effect, his own son would lose the protections that the law now afford him. president trump, whose justice department in a highly unusual move refused to defend the law took a victory lap after the ruling. now it is crucial to understand the judge's ruling will not take effect unless it is upheld on appeal. many observers believe that is unlikely. republicans for years trying to get rid of the health care law now wildly popular, the dog looks like it might have finally caught the car. an op-ed in the washington post, the latest ruling is raw
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judicial activism and impossible to defend. why do you not like this decision, nick? >> because it's impossible to defend. you know, the judge here came up with a ruling that it's hard for me even to describe how he reached the conclusion he did. what he said is that the individual mandate cannot be sustained now that congress has repealed the penalty for going without coverage. so even though congress repealed the penalty, which seemed to make the law less coerce i have -- >> less onerous, you no longer pay a penalty. the thing the conservatives didn't like was coerce i have, you had to pay the penalty, they took that away. now it's unconstitutional. >> there is this naked ininstruction he says is left in the statute. that is a command the congress doesn't have the constitutional authority to adopt. therefore the individual mandate, which by the way, can't be enforced, is unconstitutional. that's not even the most audacious part of the holding.
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what he does next, what would the remedy be, what should we do which this individual mandate uninforcible happens to be unconstitutional? the whole act has to fall, every bit of it. not only people with preexisting conditions, but medicaid expansion, rules about calorie counts at chain restaurants -- >> everything. >> every letter, lock, stock and barrel. >> let's be clear. the plaintiffs, josh hawley, the d.o.j. not defending it, that's what they asked for, get rid of the whole dam thing. >> that's what they asked for. every time they said they were supporting protections of people with preexisting conditions, while they're supporting this lawsuit, that's just not telling the truth. this lawsuit is absolutely going to strip those protections away if it goes on a he will pooh. >> that's the question, what's going to happen to it next? >> it looks like it's going to stick with district court a little bit. it could take a little time.
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i think there is good reason to think that the court of appeals for the 5th circuit which is going to hear the case is unlikely to sustain the judge's ruling. there are a lot of problems with it. it looks like the plaintiffs probably don't have standing. it looks like it's constitutional analysis is wrong. and i can't find any conservative who is willing to defend the view that the proper outcome here is the toppling of the entire statute. it's very hard to find reputable conservative legal scholars who are willing to go out and defend this. and then even if the 5th circuit were to do the wrong thing and uphold this outrageous judgment, the supreme court has taken two swings at the affordable care act and in both cases, chief justice roberts said, you know what? this is an act of congress. i'm going to sustain it. >> let's just be clear. those two swings were much stronger cases than this, wouldn't you say? >> oh, infinitely stronger cases. so if you didn't do it when the a.c.a. was much closer to the point where it had just gotten -- just begun implementation, and much stronger challenges, i find it hard to see how you count to five at the supreme court. at least with its current
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we're gonna need the if we'element of surprise. mas, go team. [ snow crunching ] [ load crunching ] [ whispers ] this is the loudest snow ever. thing one tonight, as the scandals close in on donald trump, it's no wonder he's had a tough time filling positions at the white house. by all accounts, his new search
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of a chief of staff has been pain frl. trump was publicly turned down by his top choice, nick ayers, who decided he'd rather leave d.d d.c. altogether than take the job. chris christie has had enough problems standing behind trump. he became more desperate and started looking around the white house for someone to take the job. son-in-law jared kushner was under consideration but escaped somehow. trump's senior advisor stephen miller was never considered for the job. it's weird because miller has been with the president from the get-go, and has never wavered in his support. there he is on the left stumping for trump on the campaign trail in 2016. out there yesterday on the sunday shows pushing the trump agenda. no matter what turmoil has engulfed the white house, miller has stood strong with the president. whether he's heading off to campaign rallies last month as seen on the left, or again on the right, acting as a faithful surrogate for the president's message on tv yesterday. no chief of staff offer for steve miller. it was a different guy who lost
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the shark ion robot cleaning system. so, two things have become pretty clear over the past week. one, that nobody wanted the job of chief of staff. and two, that fact was very embarrassing to the president. trump tweeted over the weekend, for the record, there were many people who wanted to be the white house chief of staff. announcing that after everyone else had turned it down, he had chosen mick mulvaney. he was head of the financial protection bureau and director of office of management and budget. mr. mulvaney's budget role that brought him to the white house on friday in the first place, he went for a scheduled meeting with the president about the budget. trump just made him the chief of staff. mulvaney was reportedly reluctant to accept the position but understood the president was in a jamb and felt he didn't have much choice. but he insisted on the title of acting chief of staff because you know, plan b, it's quite a career path for a man who unlike
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a political bombshell two days before the midterm elections in his role as secretary of state, brian kemp is accusing the democratic party of georgia of trying to hack the state's voter registration system. now, it's a move democrats are calling a political stunt. >> that happened the weekend before the election between brian kemp and stacey abrams, an election that kemp would go on to win by a razor thin margin. as georgia's closest gubernatorial election in 52 years. the win came with a lot of help from secretary of state brian kemp who used his position overseeing the state's electoral systems to stack the deck in his own favor by voter purges and freezes on new voter registrations. nowhere was the abuse of his power more audacious than the grenade he threw into the campaign a few days before the election in which his office formally accused democrats of a failed attempt to hack the state's voter registration
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system. now, even at the time this seemed a truly outlandish accusation. i mean, think about it for a second. you think the georgia democratic party really tried to brazenly hack the state's election system? but it also seemed outlandish the secretary of state would, as brazenly, makeup such a serious charge just in order to help him win an election. well, thanks to thorough investigation by the team of the atlanta general constitution, we now know the whole thing was utter bunk. quote, no evidence supported the allegations against the democrats at the time, and none has emerged in the six weeks since. in fact, to anyone that watched kemp attempt to spin his baseless accusation in real time in the normally friendly confines of fox business network, you could have seen the truth right there on his face. >> forgive me. the reason i'm asking is because people are questioning your intent. so if you want to clear that up now, i'm offering you that chance to clear up the intent here because they're saying there was only concern that it could be hacked, that there's no evidence that there was hacking.
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do you have evidence -- sir, forgive me. forgive me. is there evidence -- did you see evidence -- >> unless there was evidence -- >> all right. did you see evidence there was hacking? >> we have a duty -- >> did you see evidence there was hacking? >> ma'am, we would not open an investigation if we didn't feel like it was warranted. my job as secretary of state -- >> okay. still not getting an answer. >> wouldn't answer the question. here's the worst part. the baseless smear directed at his opponent's party three days before the election was undertaken in order to, get this, cover up for kemp's own manifest incompetence. the fact that the state's voter registration system, which he oversaw had been left utterly exposed online to hackers. and it wasn't the first group of that time. in fact, in 2015, his office managed by accident to publicly distribute a trove of confidential information about every single georgia voter. nice work. and now he is about to be governor. but there is an enormous asterisk next to his name and his legitimacy. and one step he could take to
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there is appalling new video tonight of migrants waiting for entry to the united states. the united states is now in possible contravention of our laws, preventing many people from legally crossing the border to a port of entry to ask for asylum. and as people wait in juarez, mexico, this is how they're tracking people. this is the method being used to keep track of migrants who want to ask this nation for refuge. vaccine officials are writing numbers on people's arms, something with obviously some awful historical connotations. 800 migrant children are being housed in a giant tent camp which was never meant to house children permanently. here with me jeff merkley who
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just returned. these are unaccompanied migrants who have come over as unaccompanied children. they have not been taken from their parents. by in large, what are the conditions like there? >> well, the conditions in the camp are okay in the sense that there is food. there is heat. there is shelter. but here's the big picture. you have those 28 children, 100 children you mentioned, they're part of a child prison camp system now housing more than 15,000 children across america. and that particular camp that we went to, we found out a couple of things that really shocked us. number one, the director said that 1300 of those children, roughly half of them could be in the house in five days if the trump administration would complete the paperwork. they already have sponsors. >> wow. >> they've already gone through the background checks. furthermore, when i asked about the flores consent agreement in which children are not supposed to be in prison for more than 20
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days, they told us that over 2,000 of those children have been there more than 20 days, that the administration is asserting because this is an emergency and so-called temporary facility, they're not bound by limiting the imprisonment for 20 days. and some children have been there for months, inflicting deep, profound life-long trauma on these children. >> the 1300, both of those are startling facts. i want to go back to the 1300 children. what you're saying is there are people inside the u.s. who will sponsor them who are family members or caregivers connected to the children. that's been verified. the children could go with them, and the government has yet to process the paperwork and is keeping them instead in a tent city? >> according to the director, he said he could have 1,300 children in homes within five days if the trump administration would complete the paperwork. >> wow. what about the -- there's also this question right now about the death of a 7-year-old girl,
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jacqueli jakelin caal. there is talk that congress can investigate the conditions under which she was given care and then died. what do you know about that? >> well, i hope the house can have a full investigation. clearly, it's very difficult under the republican leadership of the house and senate because they're not interested in investigating these matters. and by the way, in kind of a very related way, our congressional delegation, fife of us there, three senators, two house members, we asked to speak to children at torneo to find out what's really going on with their care and the circumstances of them being detained there for very long periods of time, and we could not get permission from the administration to talk to any of those children. and we're not talking about disclosing their names or their medical record or anything else that would create any danger for them. we wanted to find out their stories to understand what they're suffering, what they're
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going through. the administration would not let us exercise that oversight and have a conversation. >> so you remember congress, and congress has the power of the purse. and someone's funding the torneo camp. i'm confused about if congress said no more of this, don't you have the leverage to cut it off? >> we do have that leverage. under republican control of the house and senate, there has been no willingness to even hold a hearing, let alone consider exercising the power of the purse. that camp is costing the american taxpayers somewhere in the vicinity shy of a million dollars a day. not quite a million dollars a day. it's vast sums. it's extraordinarily expensive compared to case management for individuals who are with sponsors. >> right. final question here about the children that are just over the border in juarez, and we're all seeing these images which i think people just find appropriately viscerally morally shocking. to watch numbers being written on people.
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the origin of that is the administration has chosen to close ports of entry. is the u.s. in violation of its own laws in doing so? >> i think to me it clearly seems to be in violation. and even the administration has said don't cross in between the ports of entry. come to the ports of entry. when they come to ports of entry, at port of entry in place after place, they have been blocked. i witnessed this on father's day, on june 17th at mcallen crossing. i saw four border guards crossing anyone who didn't have a passport or visa who wanted to assert asylum. there was plenty of space on that day. plenty of place in the conversation dialogue rooms and in the processing center, and we certainly heard documentation from human rights groups that this is being done in a systematic way, throwing people back to the mexican side where they have absolutely no support structure, where they're incredibly vulnerable to gangs. it's just a real plight and abuse of both our law and our international commitments under refugee agreements.
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>> senator jeff merkley, thank you for sharing that. >> thank you, chris. >> that is "all in" for this evening. "the rachel maddow show" starts right now. good evening, rachel. >> good evening, chris. thanks, my friend. >> you bet. >> thanks for joining us at home this hour. happy monday. happy to have you with us. the most important and the most powerful military alliance in the world is nato. within nato, the largest military of all the nato countries of course is the one that belongs to our country. but what's the second largest military force in nato? it belongs to a country that is almost an original member of the military alliance. the u.s. was there from the very beginning in 1949. the country that has the second largest military in nato was a full member by 1952, but they are a hugely important part of the nato alliance for a whole bunch of different reasons, including the fact that their military is just so darn big. and you should know that the country with the second largest military in nato after us is the


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