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good afternoon, everyone. one more hour of me. i'm alex witt live. we have breaking news to share this hour. just a few minutes ago vice president mike pence and other top-level white house officials concluded talks with top congress and staffers to try to talk a way ought of the government shut down. and democrats, the new majority party in the house, what they plan to do with their new subpoena power and what about impeachment? >> and elizabeth warren, she's not an official candidate but she sure looks like one. the government shutdown is now entering its third week. white house and negotiators wrapped up a two and a half hour
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meeting. it included acting staff mick mulvaney, kirstjen nielsen and jared kushner. i have yet to see a readout but what are you hearing about this meeting? >> reporter: we know very little other than the optics. the white house all walked out together followed by congressional staffers. here's how the next couple weeks are going to look if this continues to play out, if the partial government shutdown is in place. there will be several pressure points on the president from both high-income earners and w low-income earners that could force him to feel pressure. we don't know what's going to happen with the irs in terms of tax returns. it may be very difficult to process billions in tax returns. and on the lower income side,
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the motd eadern incarnation of stamps is called snap. it unclear how long there are fund for those americans who face food insecurity. those are two pressure points. the white house, they are clearly gaming this out for the long run. the back of the envelope calculation they have every two weeks of the shutdown, is a percentage off of gdp. >> if you get any heads up, let us know and we'll get right back to you. >> joining me right now, nancy pelosi's former chief of staff, jen concerns and a.b. stoddard. with a big welcome to you all, so far neither side seems willing to budge. what is it going to take? >> it going to take the president to take a step back and stop treating the shutdown
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as a messaging war. it not about press conferences, it's not about tweets, bits real people who are suffering. right now the only person who is standing in the way of getting this done is the president. look, pass the appropriations bill, pass a short-term for the homeland security bill and negotiate. you know, put -- make sure these families get the paychecks that they deserve and let congress work its will. until that happens, this is not going anywhere. >> you see that happening any time soon? is there anything that would indicate to you, nadeam that the president is willing to do a compromise? there are some that think his presidency is staking on this. he says if he doesn't get this wall, he's done. >> he's the only one that has the answer to this question. i don't see it. i don't see it getting done any time soon because the president
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is just dug in. >> but how about this because the president, jen, has threatened to declare this a national emergency, get the wall built by the military. how likely is that? and do you think that is a viable solution? >> well, i don't know how likely that is at this point. i think donald trump, who is the master of the art of the deal, negotiation is his strong suit, i think he's going to see this negotiation through until the end until perhaps nancy pelosi says there really is no deal. but it's very clear through article 2 of the u.s. constitution that he does have the absolute powers to enact that order. he could send the troops to the border as we've seen. he could also use that executive authority to build the wall. but i'm glad nadeam brought up the messaging war because that's all we've seen from the left. let me give you some examples. you look at how liberals are up in arms this week saying that president trump is threatening to shut down the government and has shut down the government
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over his pet project, but democrats failed to realize the hypocrisy here, you had barack obama in 2013 shut down the government over his own pet project. it was his namesake, obamacare, he shut down the government over and bill clinton in 1995 and '96 -- >> jen, you're basically alleging that there have been government shutdowns in the past. yup, that's absolutely true. but what about the president saying the shutdown could drag on for months, even years. this could be the longest in decades, if not ever, if you listen to what the president said. >> that's the problem here is that the president doesn't see the political downside of the shut down. and until he does and senate republicans who are up in 2020, like senator gardner and senator collins are trying to make that
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clear. until he feels the political pain, he thinks it's a great thing. he told the democrats in the white house yesterday he wants to call it a strike. the fight, the offense is what a animates him. he wanted to get a deal, he would give the democrats something. this is a demand for the wall. and jen's revisionist history about the 21st century is amazing. it wasn't barack obama's shutdown. it was the republicans led by ted cruz, they lived to regret it, it was 16 days long and it was considered a political error, only to be washed away by the obamacare web site was a disaster and changed the topic. shutdowns are losers. >> it was over obamacare -- >> they didn't have the votes to. everyone knows that was a republican shutdown. that's not the topic we're talking about today.
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>> the key difference between that and this is exactly what nadeam said, which is it is a p.r. washington. >> that's what ted cruz did. anyone that is surprised that the government is shut down today has simply not been paying attention. >> neither leader is surprised the government is shut down. >> he said he's going to get the border wall and bored are security. there's a new gallop poll out and this is not a right or let poll. the gallop poll says that bored are security is now considered the number one or number two issue for americans, that and health care, depending on which day you ask it. that is bad news for democrats and nancy pelosi needs to understand that the majority of american people now say that border security is the number one issue on most days. that is something to come to the table over. by the way, trump has thrown out a negotiating number. they're willing to go as $2
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billion for that. we saw pence run down the number on that. >> oh, my goodness. >> there are offers on the table here. >> oh, my goodness. that's revisionist history from literally a few days ago. >> sorry. it n it's not. >> vice president pence put 2.5 billion on the table apparently and the president rejected it in front of the cameras. look, here is the issue that is at stake. leader mcconnell believed he had an agreement with the president. he passed unanimously a funding bill that goes through february and left town. then speaker ryan thought, hmm, we have the votes, we're go to do it. they were about to pass it and lo and behold president trump said no. so president trump is the reason why we have a government shutdown. it is over the wall. and he is not -- he has to compromise, he has to come to the table, he has to negotiate.
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and anything that happened in that room today with vice president pence and staff, it really doesn't matter. you wait till the tweet this comes out later on because the president is the one who is setting the parameters. >> something that's extraordinary and i'm going to pose this question of you, jen, because the prospect of border security, the prospects of building a wall or at least partially doing so along the southern border, that is not a new concept, but the president has made claims that former presidents have told them they wished they had built a wall. if you look at an article in politico, they spoke with either directly or representatives of president bush 43, president clinton, president obama who say, that is not even close to the case. why would president trump bring that up when it's so easily proven to be a lie? >> well, the fact is we don't know what private conversations presidents and past presidents may have had, but luckily we do have the unbiased, unvarnished voting record and we do know in 2006 a number of democrats went
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up and voted yes on the 2006 secure fence act. and those people included barack obama, who president trump was talking about here, hillary clinton, joe biden and even senator chuck schumer. and if you look at the two pieces of legislation, the two proposals here, the 2006 fence act, secure fence act, which went a long way toward securing the border in places like arizona, it reduced illegal border crossings by about 74%, those two pieces of legislation are actually quite similar. so much it shocking to see nancy pelosi sit with joy reid from this network and say she's not giving, quote, one dollar towards this, one dollar and $5 billion -- >> nancy pelosi is obviously going to be in a very big bargaining position. a.b., i want you to take a listen to this description of nancy pelosi. here it is. >> she'll cut your head off and
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you won't even know you're bleeding. no one ever won betting against nancy pelosi. >> that was said with love, i might add, because that was said by her daughter alexandra. how tough is she going to be? how tough can she be against him and keep the democratic caucus together? >> well, it's clear from the new members who are very liberal/socialist who are demanding big ticket spending items and lots of change and revolution and impeachment that she really is going to have a lot on her shoulders. she has proven far more effective than any of us anticipated. there are more than 30 pelosi refusers she managed to melt away enough to get re-elected speaker when it looked like she absolutely could not and she seeps to right now to have donald trump in a position in a no one else has had him in, which is that he has not given her a nickname, he has not trashed her, he's not insulted
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her and he seems to have some strange respect for her. and she seems to be sort of almost making fun of him in these interviews. she told him three weeks ago when he threatened to shut the government down in early december that he should pray on it overnight. she looks like she's not even breaking a sweat over this. but i do think she should come to the table, alex. i do think there should be a deal and it shouldn't be a demand. i don't think he gets a wall for nothing. i think they should ask for legalization for the dreamers and have an actual exchange. a wall is way more than 5 billion. can you do a little here and there and have border security which most americans are for but she need to come to the table and negotiate. >> nadeam, given that you've been her chief of staff, what is about her that the president respects? he has yet to give her a nickname. he's given everybody else one. >> it power. in one word power.
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she has power. she has proven over and over again that she is willing to stand up to presidents, whether it was president bush, even president obama. >> so he respects her you're going to say? >> yeah, i believe he does. but here's the thing, he doesn't attack her, it makes her stronger with the caucus because people are going to think he's not attacking you, you're very strong. he attacks her, it's going to make her even stronger. he's in an untenable position. >> donald trump does like winne winners. he does like nancy pelosi. if this were "the apprentice" government shutdown edition, she would be on his team. >> i'm going to wrap up this. coming up, a freshman congresswoman not backing down after using a very bad word to describe the president. that controversial comment once again fueling discussion of presidential impeachment.
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. the new 116th congress is making news as the most diverse ever. freshman congresswoman rashida tlaib of michigan making this controversial statement shortly before being sworn in. when when your son looks at you and says, mama, look, you won,
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bullies don't won and i say, baby, they don't because we're going to go in and impeach the mother [ bleep ]. >> despite the fallout from that comment, she is not backing down. here's what nancy pelosi told joy reid in an exclusive msnbc town hall. >> impeachment is a divisive approach to take and we shouldn't take it for anything other than the facts and the law. >> it marks a turning point for the president's agenda and his multiple campaigns and businesses. joining me is nut chair of the congressional black caucus and member of the judiciary committee and foreign affairs committee. it's always good to speak with you. i do want to get your reaction to the newly elected representative tlaib's comments. do you think that is appropriate for a member of the house?
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she just says i'm being real, i'm being me. >> she's being real, she's being her but our new members need to realize there can always be somebody photographing you no matter where you are. my major concern about it is is that it's such a distraction. so much time is being spent about what she said today versus the fact that this week people are not going to receive their paychecks. 800,000 federal workers won't be paid. i know when i go to the airport, i apologize to the tsa workers. i feel bad. i know how hard they work. i don't think anything should distract us from that. >> how concerned are you this is going to drag on, this partial government shutdown for these 800,000 federal workers? >> i am concerned because the president is completely unpredictable. we literally have to follow twitter to find out what he's thinking at any moment. his latest scenario of i'm going to declare a national emergency, who know what is he's really
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going to do. we do have to remember a couple of things. number one, he agreed to the bill that we voted on this week. he agreed to that until talk radio hit him. the other thing that we have to remember is that why are taxpayers paying $1 for this wall? mexico is supposed to pay for the wall. mexico has a new president. he needs to be flying down to mexico today and negotiating with that president. u.s. taxpayers shouldn't be on the hook for $1. that was his campaign promise. not that we would be paying for it. >> plrt. all right. i want to go back to the prospect of impeachment would you because the comments of representative tlaib brought that back to live again. listen to this. >> i think it's very hard to impeach somebody who has done a great job. that's number one. and we even talked about that today. i said why don't you use this for impeachment? and nancy said we're not looking
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to impeach you. i said that's good, nancy, that's good. but you know what? you don't impeach people when they're doing a good job. and you don't impeach people when there was no collusion because there was no collusion. >> i just got to ask you how you respond to that. >> well, havei have to chuckle. it sounds silly. i'm not sure he understands what the impeachment process is all about to begin with. i don't think he's done a very good job. i think the percentage of americans that actually support him is dwindling. now, having said that, i do not think impeachment should be top on our agenda. after we get the government opened back, we need to deal with health care. i was reading an article this week about this mother who lost her son because he couldn't afford to pay for his insulin. he was parsing his insulin out and he moved out and he died alone. he went into insulin shock. that should never happen in the united states. . we need to deal with the
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affordable care act. we need the voting rights act. there's so much business in front of us right now and unfortunately the president keeps us tied up in nonsense. the government should have never shut down in the first place. >> does that include what the president keeps you tied up in the numerous investigations? you're a member of the house judiciary committee. how does this impact the new congress all these ongoing investigations? will you not be able to focus on those things you were just outlining? is it going to be an investigation-heavy congress? >> no, i think what is going to happen is we are actually going to do our job, and one of our jobs is to provide oversight. for the last two years there has been no oversight to this president at all. so there might be 14 or 15 different investigations going on, but congress needs to provide oversight. so on judiciary and even on
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foreign affairs, the world doesn't understand what this man's foreign policy is. we don't even have ambassadors to some of the most important states -- countries. wheel he while he's off negotiating with the north korea, he doesn't even take time to appoint an ambassador to south korea. we will be able to walk and chew gum at the same time, we will be able to provide the oversight as well as do the work that needs to be done, health care, infrastructure, voting rights act, we have a very full agenda but we're ready to go. >> you talked about the president's foreign policy. i'm going to be talking about that with a couple of experts at the end of this hour. a lot of people are unclear of where he stands on things. i want to talk about the speaker's outlining of a bipartisan vision. it's day 15 of a government shutdown. no end in sight. i was dismayed while she was
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speaking and speaking on thursday and there didn't seem to be one republican who applauded one word that she said. it was clearly a very partisan floor of congress. are democrats going to be able to work with a president like donald trump? >> i think on swearing in day, i think my republican colleagues were feeling rather depressed. but i think that we are going to look for ways for bipartisan solutions. as a matter of fact, right before the government shutdown, there was the bipartisan solution on criminal justice reform and he did sign that bill. one thing that we're not going to do, we're not go to do what mcconnell pledged to do when obama was elected, which is we're are going to not cooperate with this president on anything at all. our primary purpose is to work for the people. the people do not want to us do nothing. they want to us get thing accomplished. we are going to look for bipartisan solutions. i just hope at some point this president stabilizes and we can actually predict what he is
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going to do, what his decisions are going to be. >> good to start the year off with a discussion with you. thank you so much. >> thanks for having me on. >> coming up next, the mueller grand jury gets an extension. and will the new democratic committee chairman go after the president's tax returns? tee cha president's tax returns? with , i saved when i added a hotel to our flight. so even when she grows up, she'll never outgrow the memory of our adventure. unlock savings when you add select hotels to your existing trip. only with expedia.
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we're not going to wait for the mule aeller report.
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there's plenty for the judiciary committee to look into right now. the attempts to have a mass of fraud on the american people in terms of rigging an american presidential election and undermining the integrity of that election. we have to look into that, whether it was by hush payments or by collusion with russians. >> that was house judiciary committee chairman jerry nadler saying democrats will waste no time investigating president trump just days after the party took control of the house. nadler is just one of the new democratic committee chairs vowing to revive the oversight they say had been lacking under republican leadership. this as a federal judge grants an extension to robert mueller's grand jury beyond its initial 18-month term. joining me, welcome to all three
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of you. democrats appear to be laying the ground wowork into investigating trump. what do you think the chances are dems can actually get their hands on his tax returns? does mueller already have them? is that possible? >> alex, everybody legal expert we talked to about this believes mueller does have the returns because it's white collar investigations 101. yes, i do believe the house democrats have a very good chance of obtaining donald trump's tax returns because there's a law that says that the treasury secretary must, shall, hand them over to the top -- the chairman of the house ways and means and the finance committee in the senate. richard neal, the democratic chairman of the house ways and means committee said he will invoke that law and demand those returns from secretary steven mnuchin. he says he doesn't expect mnuchin to hand them over without a fight. donald trump may sue.
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some people will view this because he also says he intends to make them public after a vote in the committee. some will view this as an abuse of government power. the democrats counter that donald trump is the only major party nominee in the last 40 years other than gerald ford not to have released his returns and there are significant conflict of interest issues, there's the whole russia investigation, many public policy reasons why the american public should see the returns. >> add to that the emolumentes clauses as well. >> the president tweeted many people currently a part of my opposition, including president obama and the dems have had campaign violations, in some cases for very large sums of money. these are civil cases. while no big deal, i did not commit a campaign violation.
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>> i think the southern district of new york would beg to different with trump's interpretation of campaign finance laws. the big distinction is michael cohen has pled guilty and donald trump has been identified as an unindicted co-conspirator. so donald trump as an unindicted co-conspirator has been accused of committing a felony under the campaign finance law. so donald trump once again likes to do his side step, two step interpretation of the law but it wrong. it's wrong on its face and again it's just a whole lot of theater that's coming out of donald trump via twitter on a legal concept. >> guy, i want you to weigh in on something. there's been a lot of back and forth on where the truth lies. speaker pelosi said it's an open
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question on whether or not a sitting president can be indicted. where do you come down on that? do you agree? >> i think what's important, alex, is that the department of justice, at least as it stands right now, as it currently exists with an acting attorney general matt whitaker, they take the position that a sitting president cannot be indicted. and i think mueller, having known him and being supervised him when we were trying the noriega case, he was a very conservative, very aggressive, but very conservative and cautious fellow and i think he would follow the department's legal conclusion that you can't indict a sitting president. that doesn't mean, alex, they can't put together a very, very damaging, damning report on the president and the president's
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people that were around him at the time of the election. and hand that over to congress and the department of justice and say go at it. >> what about the mueller grand jury extension by six months? those are routinely granted as long as the judge believes it serves the public's interest. what do you make of that? >> we don't know the fact that it's been extended six months. we know it was about to expire and the judge extended it for some period of time. there are pending matters before the grand jury. there's the roger stone, jerome corsi with the russians. mueller's report is wrapping up, he's nearing the end game and expecting to deliver a report by as soon as mid february. that may slip and there are other issues involving what he decide to do with requesting an
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interview with the president, but it does appear, alex, we are reaching an end game here. >> but prosecutors, katie, have an option of using a new grand jury once the term of a previously established one expires. would that be a good thing? there as a lot of complicated issues here. >> the standard that is applied when a judge like the chief judge in the district of columbia decided to give the embassy tension to the mueller grand jury is, quote, in the interest of the public. it's a pretty broad standard, alex. if you continuously apply that standard and i do think there's a little bit more to it, i agree with ken that it's not necessarily super telling and yet frankly why extend a grand jury having to sit if you don't have something that it needs to assess. we know there's constant grand jury subpoenas going out, constant subpoenas being done by this grand jury and there's so much going in the mueller investigation what we're not privy to that's resulting in convictions, indictments and guilty pleas. you'll continuously get the
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grand jury to sit as long as mueller needs it to set. >> that's all the time i've got so guy lewis, i'm going to start with you next time. >> off and running, senator elizabeth warren making the round in iowa today. plus the return of the likability question relative to her. and romney versus trump. mitt romney stops his political career with a blistering op-ed against the president. against the president. sure, they probably know what they're talking about. or the one that j.d. power says is highest in network quality by people who use it every day? this is a tough one. well, not really, because verizon won both. so you don't even have to choose. why didn't you just lead with that? it's like a fun thing. (vo) chosen by experts. chosen by you. get six months apple music on us. it's the unlimited plan you need on the network you deserve. now buy the latest galaxy phones, get galaxy s9 free.
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days after launching her 2020 exploratory committee, massachusetts senator elizabeth warren is holding a series of events in iowa, home to the critical iowa caucuses. right now she's wrapping up her second event of the day, a roundtable on immigration issues after an earlier event where she answered questions from iowa voters. one of the first questions asked was about her dna test controversy. let's take a listen. >> i am not a person of color, i am not a citizen of a tribe. tribal citizenship is very different from ancestry. tribes and only tribes determine tribal citizenship, and i respect that difference. i can't stop donald trump from what he's going to do, i can't stop him from hurling racial
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insults. i don't have any power to do that. but, well -- [ laughter ] . >> a.b. stoddard is back with me, along with jane newton small. welcome to you both and welcome back to you, a.b. what do you make of her having to respond, very first question right out of the gate there in sioux city about the whole dna test controversy? >> it really it a big impact. that's why her supporters who were at the event were worried about the impact it had. her detractors are still wondering if she has what it takes to make it. it showed poor political judgment. i thought it was a disaster, the time being of it was amazing, just weeks before the midterm elections, infuriating democrats who wanted to stay on message about house republicans and president trump and instead she chose to made this big splash
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about her. raising the ire of the cherokee nation was offensive in so many ways. and i think people in the camps of the other contenders are hoping to get her out of the way as soon as possible, reminding people she doesn't have great political judgment after all. >> sos that f that facet goes i negative column. and, jane, she's talking about the exploratory committee in which she never mentions president trump by name. do democrats see this as a winning strategy, not mentioning him and talking about the economy around him? >> by announcing so early, the strategy has been in the hope they become himself chief sort of sparring partner. who ever he elevates as the straw man to take down that day,
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the prn he vierson he views as , that person by default gets elevated as leader of the pack. >> do you really think that works? look at everybody who he has named called or given some horribly unflattering mondiker to, they've all fallen by the wayside, whether it was the other 16 candidates or hillary clinton. >> and that's true. that is certainly -- iin me imee energy in this race is all about anti-trump. you have to at some point name him and address a lot of the issues on the table about him at any given time. there is also clearly a lot of huge amount of energy for this sort of anti-wall street movement, this sort of occupy wall street, the populist people feeling like they're left out of the economy. and those are the same forces that elected trump on the right
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frankly and that split the rust belt, that split states like pennsylvania, wisconsin, michigan. so i think that there is a strategy. a lot of these democratic candidates, like elizabeth warren, bernie sanders might be another, we're going to tax the rich, give back to the poor and reequalize and allocate this system because it's always been unfair. >> hillary clinton has reportedly met with several democrats that are considering presidential bids in 2020. how influential do you think an endorsement from hillary clinton would be in this race overall? do you think she feel as certain pressure to endorse a woman to be be the lead of the pack there? and also, do you think that senator dianne feinstein is getting push back for the fact she did not endorse kamala harris. she's already thrown her support behind joe biden. >> right. i was actually surprised to see
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that people are going to seek hillary clinton's endorsement. i really think it would be a real mark on them in terms of what a gift it would be to donald trump. if you're the nominee and you end up and you're hillary clinton endorsed like the go housekeeping seal of approval, that's going to be a serious issue for many democrats who couldn't vote in 2016, who couldn't vote for trump and couldn't vote for hillary clinton. nonvoters who couldn't stomach hillary stayed home. so i think that this idea of a hillary endorsement is quite baffling. the idea that dianne feinstein took a risk in insulting her junior senator by endorsing joe biden early, it sounds like it's not lady like and she might have hurt her feelings, but i know what the people around biden are doing. they're coming out early to try to build a semi-juggernaut for
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joe biden because people are saying he's too old. if he's going to come in and be an anti-left left candidate, the more center left, pro business, pro trade democrat of which right now there is really no one and no appetite for in the primary electorate on the democratic side, he needs people coming in and making the case for him, like mayor de blasio and all these people who are suddenly mentioning joe biden. i think it's intentional. ladies, i'm sorry, i'm out of time. i'll look forward to speaking with you again. coming up, another change for u.s. policy in syria. why some are coming home and some will be staying behind indefinitely. some will be staying behind indefinitely ♪ [ telephone ringing ] -whoa. [ indistinct talking ] -deductible? -definitely speaking insurance. -additional interest on umbrella policy? -can you translate? -damage minimization of civil commotion. -when insurance needs translating,
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go for your annual check-up and be open with your doctor about anything you're feeling. physically, and emotionally. body and mind cigna. together all the way. so you'll all remember that vice president pence ushered in a meeting in his conference room there earlier today, talking about four hours ago, ended two and a half hours later. we're just now getting the first look at that. that's a tweet coming out from vice president pence. we've heard a statement via kelly o'donnell, who got this from kirstjen nielsen, secretary of homeland security, who said the meeting was very productive and they've agreed to meet again tomorrow afternoon. nothing assume concresuper concl bring you the details as we get them here on nsnmsnbc.
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>> and now a change on the syria policy. some u.s. troops could remain in southern syria for an undetermined period of time. john bolton is meeting with israeli and turkish leaders to discuss the withdrawal. john hudson and mika o'yang. the president said he was withdrawing all the troops. then he said the troops would not leave right away. now some troops will stay in syria, some are leaving. has all this happened as a result of pushback from u.s. allies? has he heard something from them that's making his change and vacillate on his policy? >> you're seeing a breakdown of a rational decision making process in his administration. if he had done this the way the previous administrations have done it, he would have consulted
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with al lights before hand, talked to commanders on the ground, might have visited the troops. but you saw a decision followed by a visit to the region, followed by consultation, perhaps now he'll speak to the remaining generals that he has. but all of this means the policy decision making process is playing out realtime in front of the american people with all of the different concerns that are being raised, coming up and shifting the policy position in a very erratic and confusing way for our troops on the ground. >> listening to mieka, would you call this a trip about damage control? >> i think it's a trip about damage control but it's also about straightening out the policy. we can't discount there are very different voices inside the trump administration advocating for different things.
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all of that remains to be seen. we do know inside the administration there are people, including national security adviser bolton, who want to keep u.s. troops in syria at least to push back against iran. and it's far from clear if the president has signed off on that. so bolton is going to be talking to the jordanians and israelis and get their position and they might be able to change the president's mind. >> can we get specific, was part of what you reported, john, was disturbing to read that the cabinet meeting during the time iran sad they can do what they want in syria, what was the fallout from that? >> that defies what so many of trump's top advisers going from bolton to pompeo have said. they said one of the keefe reas -- key reasons we are in syria was to push back against iran. those are questions that pompeo
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and bolton are both going to be getting on their separate middle east trips this coming few days. >> there was another controversial remark by the president about the cold war, v soviet invasion of afghanistan. >> russia used to be the soviet union. afghanistan made it russia. because they went bankrupt fighting in afghanistan. russia. but russia should be fighting. the reason russia was in afghanistan was because terrorists were going in to russia. they were right to be there. >> mieka, how seriously should we take that comment by the president? >> i think it's a sign of something quite serious, which is the president is not interested in understanding the facts of history and understanding how things got to the way that they are. he just will make assertions about things that are inconsistent with the way that history has played out, with the way american foreign policy has operated over our lifetimes. it's quite a deep concern i think for the military, for many
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who are concerned about soviet union influence around the world and also about the history of terrorism in that region and what that means for american security. when he says that kind of statement that's at odds with the truth, you really wonder what is his basis for making decisions about u.s. . >> when you figure that out, come back and let us know, won't you? thank you so much. we'll be right back. you're watching msnbc. clrds you're watching msnbc. you're watching msnbc. clrd ♪ there goes our first big order. ♪ 44, 45, 46... how many of these did they order? ooh, that's hot. ♪ you know, we could sell these. nah. ♪ we don't bake. ♪ opportunity. what we deliver by delivering. you may have gum disease and could be on a journey to much worse.
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me. i'm alex witt. how about you? >> i don't think people are thinking that. >> i'm out of here. >> i'm richard lui. three weeks, no end to the partial government shutdown, not as of yet. top congressional staffers are looking to break the stalemate at another meeting with the white house delegation. they hope to have that tomorrow. this is after today's talks ended in an impasse. aides are telling nbc news there was no in-depth conversation about a dollar figure for the president's long-promised border wall there but that president trump is digging in on his demands. >> he said he'd keep the government closed for a very long period of time, months or even years. >> absolutely i said that. i don't think it will b


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