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for more with my colleague craig melvin. good morning to you, craig melvin here. what's at stake? right now, president trump is in the air, he's on his way to the southern border. is that where the real crisis is when 800,000 federal workers are not getting the paychecks they banked on because of this government shutdown. we're going to show you the real world impact that the shutdown is already having and how much worse it could actually get? best defense sources telling nbc news that robert mueller could wrap up his work as early as next month and that the white house is lawyering up, reportedreporte reportedly adding 17 new lawyers. we start with president trump's photo op at the southern border. he departed last hour.
it's day three of a major push for his wall. an oval office speech on tuesday, followed by the meeting with democrats on wednesday. his push about a phony security crisis happening as a real crisis takes hold. food banks working to help furloughed employees. today, joshua tree, national park, shutting down to address sanitation and safety issues caused by the shutdown. despite mr. trump's drum beat about a crisis, his destination, the lowest crime rate. the fbi says border county have a far lower homicide rate than non-border counties. 3.4 per 100,000 versus 5.2. there it is on your screen. peter alexander on duty for us
in hidalgo texas where president trump is expected to land in a few hours. do set the stage for us if you can. what is the president hoping to get out of this trip? >> reporter: well, craig, as we're going to witness a few hours from now he's bringing this pr blitz, this campaign here to the heart of the rio grande valley. this is the busiest stretch in the united states in terms of illegal crossings. this is some of that steel barrier type wall the president refers to when he says he wants to build a wall right now. this one was here before president trump arrived in office. today he has a series of meetings scheduled. he's going to go to the rio grande river. he's going to have a briefing on border security and beyond that he's going to meet with some of the people on the front lines of what he describes as a humanitarian and national security crisis. this really is a wrestling match between the two sides. the president saying the crisis is not the shutdown, but it's the border. the democrats saying we're glad to talk about the border
security issue but we need to reopen the government right now. the president, a short time ago, as he departed aboard marine one saying there's is a national emergency. he said again he has the right to declare one, which he has not done yet. here's what he said in defense of one of his key campaign promises, his promise that mexico would pay for that wall. take a listen. >> when during the campaign i would say mexico's going to pay for it, obviously, i never said this and i never meant they're going to write out a check. i said they're going to pay for it. they are. they are paying for it with the incredible deal we made. >> reporter: the president said he never meant that they would pay it by writing out a check. but here's the fact check. back in march of 2016, in a candidate trump memo he said, in fact that mexico would make a one time payment of $5 billion to $10 billion. it would be their way of insuring that the $24 billion in
remittances from mexican nationals living in the u.s. continue to go back to mexico. with all the presidents claims suggesting he never said such a thing. the facts are there, he did. >> peter alexander, there on the border for us. thank you so much. jake sherman, senior writer for politico is with me and so is barbara boxer, former democratic senator from california. president trump expected to preach about this border crisis. again, one of the safer areas of texas. now you're reporting that his much touted steel slats aren't up to snuff. what have you learned? >> it's pretty extraordinary, quite frankly. there's plenty of steel slats
like the president talks about. my friend, peter alexander, and right here, where we're standing, there is steel slats all over the place. the president says he's come to an agreement with the democrats. that's the type of border wall he wants to put out there. here's another reality check. take a look at this photo exclusively obtained by nbc news. the prototypes that were tested by the trump administration last year showed that all of them could be breached, including the steel slats that were cut through with what is described in a department of homeland security report as a quick saw. the type of saw you might be over to go to home depot and buy yourself if you're interested in doing that at any time. that calls into question, craig, what the president has said about a wall being impenetrable. he was asked about our reporting, about the fact that this photo that was until now unseen shows the wall sliced clear through. this is what he had to say.
>> what good is a steel wall if they think saw through that? >> that's a wall that was designed by previous administrations. there's nothing that can't be penetrated, but you fix it. but it's a very difficult thing to do. but that's a wall and they have other walls. we have many walls under consideration. >> so the president said that was a wall that was designed by previous administrations. let me be super clear about this, that was at donald trump's prototype location. we remember the president built all eight of those different prototypes and toured them in march of 2018. to say anything otherwise is, frankly, preposterous. this, again, i want to emphasize it calls into question the president's exstretreme emphasi a wall. this area is one of the safest areas along the border. the humanitarian crisis is one that was exacerbated by the trump administration. the idea of saying a wall would
solve anything, as you can see from these photos, is just not accurate. >> senator boxer, what has been the impact of this manufactured crisis on your former constituents there in california? >> it's disastrous. we talked about joshua tree national park, which is very close to where i live. so many businesses rely on that. you know, the tourism industry, little restaurants, small business people. the pain is evident. and i remember well -- look, i voted for the secure fencing act in '06. of course there are places where you want barriers. we already have them on 700 miles of the border. we do not need to move forward with his vision because the truth is the emergency we're facing is that we have a president with anger and hate in his heart. and it is definitely focused on
the american people. the last point i'd make right here is if you look at crime rates we know that immigrants have a lower crime rate than american citizens. so we have a president again with hate and anger. he is whipping up fear and it is really an embarrassment, a humiliation and it's a tragedy for the greatest country on earth. >> jake sherman, we know congressman like will herd and matt thornberry, they're not on the same page with president trump. what else do we know about republican support there? even support among some of these other congressman who represent constituents along the border? >> reporter: i think we can say broadly speaking at this point that talks between the white house and congress have broken down. i mean, storming out of a meeting, whichever side you take, 20 days into a shutdown
indicates that there's not ample progress being made. so it seems at this point from the people i talked to in the white house and on capitol hill that the president really has one option at this point. because given that democrats do not want this wall and many republicans as you noted don't want the wall. the president really is looking like he's going to go out on his own and he's going to do this by executive order, declare a state of emergency. he has a menu of options available to him. it's not clear that those will come to fruition given an expected court challenge from various quarters of the country. nancy pelosi did not fold here and the president and the white house expected she would for reasons that are not clear to me. she said she didn't want a wall. she said it last year. she said it this year. the white house assumed something would change in the interim. nothing changed. and the president is locked in on both a barrier and $5.7 billion. two things he has very little room to maneuver. he said this morning upon
leaving the white house that he's probably going to go on his own if these talks don't work out, which they're not at this point. >> more evidence, perhaps, that these talks have broken down. while you were speaking there, word that speaker pelosi said in a news conference that she's convinced he set up that meeting so he could, in fact, walk out. jake, it's reported that the white house council is with president trump to the border. some folks suggesting perhaps that might be some sort of indication that he may pull the trigger on this national emergency declaration. any sense that that's something that may happen here shortly? >> reporter: i don't know if he's going to do it today. there's expectation from members of congress who are oftentimes that are not as well informed as they think they may be that he's going to do it soon. i was in a briefing with the vice president earlier this week
where he said that the president is considering it. and indicated that the white house council was part of that consideration process because this is expected to be tangled in all sorts of litigation for some time. by the way, even if congress approved a wall it would be tangled in litigation. he'd have to take by eminent domain houses on the border which would undeniably slow this process incredibly. so the idea -- i think the problem here for the president and the problem for republicans who have been campaigning on the wall is that it's not neat and clean as just build a wall as a campaign slogan. you need to get it through congress, build the wall, take houses back, get through litigation. a campaign slogan is a campaign slogan, but governing is different than a campaign slogan. that's what we've seen for two years now. >> jake just mentioned something we've talked about here over the last few days, eminent domain how folks don't seem to be
considering any of that in all of is. there's something else the president has repeat about drugs along the border. here is what the president has been saying. >> most of our drugs come in through the southern border. they don't come in through the portals, they come in between the portals where you have no barrier. >> here's the fact check that we did yesterday on this. again, the claim is that the southern border is a pipeline for vast quantities of illegal drugs. the dea, the drug enforcement agency says that cartels, quote, transport the bulk of their drugs over the southwest border through ports of entry using passenger vehicles or tractor trailers. what more do we know about drugs along the border, jacob? >> reporter: i've seen it myself. first of all, i mean, maybe the first thing we should fact check with the president is they're not called portals, they're called ports of entry. he's absolutely incorrect. with my own eyes i have stood
with the men and women of customs and border protection where the vast majority of hard narcotics are transported in through mexican drug cartels into the country. in between ports of entry, it's just -- there's no return on investment for trying to smuggle large quantities of narcotics like heroin and fentanyl. because you want to bring in the large loads and you want to bring them in tractor trailers and vans. you want them to be that needle in the haystack where hundreds of thousands of people are coming through every single day. why would you bring hundreds of thousands of dollars through the desert where one border patrol agent can spot one person and pick you off and take that load of drugs. it doesn't make sense. the president shows a clear lack of understanding about it. here in the rio grand valley they tried to push back by saying the bulk of the narcotics that come through the country come through the sector. marijuana is what they're talking about. the white house keeps talking
about the 300 people dying a day statistic. where we're standing in front of this steel slat barrier, which today has been revealed in the photo where you can cut through on the side. on the other side is not mexico, it's the united states. not until you get to the rio grande river and across is when you're in mexico. what this wall has created by imminent domain in many areas in texas where 95% of the land is privately owned is a no man's land. in between here and the river you have to have a gate code to experience what is a national wildfire refuge. in many places along the border, those are people's hopes, those are churches owned by the catholic church. there's a national butterfly sanctuary. the wall in south texas creates no man's land land that imminent domany wi domain will have to take away from landowners. >> thank you. keep us posted.
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the freshmen class of democrats came into office eager to make change. some new freshmen democrats are feeling the pressure that they may be blamed back at home and are concerned about the party's game plan. at a meeting at new democratic lawmakers over the weekend, quote, several new members were freaking out about the ongoing shutdown and the party's strategy. freshmen congress woman ann kirkpatrick, democrat from arizona joins me now. i know you did not attend this
weekend retreat. but what are you hearing from your colleagues about the strategy? are you guys unified or are there freshmen democrats who are starting to use the words from the article, freak out? >> you know, at the end of the day we are unified. we're a very large caucus. i'm the only one of the incoming members who has actually served in the majority before. and i remember when we were in the majority, we had vigorous debates in our caucus. but at the end of the day, we came to a consensus and passed very meaningful legislation for our country. we'll do that again. >> your colleague, congressman foster, as you know urging democrats to consider perhaps treating legal protections for thousands, tens of thousands of daca recipients for wall funding. do you support that idea? a trade of sorts? >> i'm not willing to bargain that way. look, i represent a southern
arizona district that on the border. my district and the people who live along the border do not want a wall. 40% of our economy comes from mexico. we'd rather see expanded ports of entry. we'd rather see comprehensive immigration reform. i'm a former prosecutor. i have zero tolerance for crime. let's free up our border patrol to focus on criminal activity at the border. let's have comprehensive immigration reform that allows people to come from mexico, who are seeking asylum, or just want a better life for their families that protects daca recipients and dreamers. that's what we want in my district. >> the president has repeatedly characterized what's happening along our border as a crisis. as you mentioned, you represent constituents who live along the border. how would you characterize what's happening along the southern border? >> this week i was meeting with a group of volunteers who every day walk through the desert to the border looking for people who are crossing. first of all, they told me it's
not a crisis that people are coming in a very orderly way. and they're there to help. you know, this is something we live with every single day. i will tell you that it seems the further you get from the border in our country, the bigger the crisis gets. this is a manufactured crisis by the president to be a distraction from his ineptitude. i mean, if he really cared that this -- really sincerely thought this was a crisis, then why shutdown the government? he's created a crisis. he's created a tsa crisis. he's created air traffic controller crisis by shutting down the government. open the government right now. let's get on with the business of this country. >> thank you. thanks for your time. >> thank you so much. >> good luck to you. >> thank you. a doomsday scenario.
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the real and rapidly increasing costs of the shutdown are becoming clearer every day. economists laying out what could happen in a doomsday scenario if the shutdown lasts weeks or perhaps even months. 38 million low income americans lose food stamps. 6 million face an uncertain time table for collecting tax refunds. two million without rental assistance facing eviction. 800,000 federal employees facing dire financial straits as well. federal court system slowing to a crawl. disaster relief may not be distributed. business deals requiring federal approval could remain in limbo. of course, there's real impact on millions of americans right now. for instance, if you travel by
air, some tsa workers who are not being paid reportedly are calling in sick. air traffic controllers are working without pay, many of them. faa safety inspectors aren't working. that means fewer plane inspections and pilot certifications. food safety. the fda curtailing inspections of food processing plants. food stamps. the s.n.a.p. program funded through february. not clear what happens after that, though. the environment. u.s. scientists will miss a major climate change summit in canada this month. coast guard, my brother, brother-in-law i should say, coast guard, active duty members, not getting paid. may not get paid though they remain on duty. immigration. immigration courts. closed. in los angeles alone, there are now 40,000 pending immigration cases. overall, the cost to the u.s. economy is about $1.2 billion for each week of the shutdown.
that means a shutdown government actually costs more than a government than running. some of those numbers, a bit abstract. to put a human face on we turn to ron gillyard. he's in ogden, utah, where about 75% of the 5,000 irs employees in that town are on furlough. what do they say? >> reporter: craig, ogden is a small city here. the largest employer in the city is the irs. before i introduce you to some of those irs workers, i want to tell you i just picked up coffee at a cafe and the owner said she's seen a 50% dropoff. why? because of the lack of those several thousand employees that with iworking here. as for the irs workers, we caught up with several of them yesterday afternoon, after the president and congressional democrats met up at the white house. i asked them about this
situation and what it means to ultimately not receive a paycheck. and to make it clear, a lot of these workers aren't taking in lots of money in their salary in the first place. when they miss a paycheck, there's much concern. this is what a few of them told us. >> we're just basic federal employees. we're not high paid management, directors, that kind of stuff. we're just the front line employees trying to do our jobs. >> right now, i'm just -- i know the work is piling up. i know taxpayers' requests are going unanswered. businesses are depending on us to get back to work to help them. that's what we want to do. >> i'm 45 years old and i shouldn't have to pawn my belongings to pay for medication when i do have a job. i'm just not able to do that job. >> reporter: craig, you just
heard from stephanie and shelby there. both of them have applied for unemployment benefits. they said, though, to note, that that is not going to begin to make up what they need. the first gentleman you heard from there, robert, he actually picked up a job working security at a local hospital back in december. he is raising three kids. he said the writing on the wall and knowing the state of politics, he saw back in december what he believed to be little hope that a government shutdown, if it were take place would come to a quick end. he hasn't been wrong. >> there continues to be a common misconception that folks living in the d.c., maryland, virginia, those are the only folks being affected. 80% of federal workers live outside the met ro d.c. area. i want to bring in two radio talk show hosts who are getting feedback every day. jim sharp hosts arizona's
morning news on ktar radio 92.3. what about your florida l listene listeners? is this shutdown an issue for them? what do they say? >> they don't understand why it's happening. they think the wall is a total farce. now they're calling it barrier, now they're calling it a fence. the idea that they're going to spend $5.6 billion on a wall or a fence, floridians don't understand how it directly affects their life. they're not interested in it. they want the government up and running again so that they can get things through that make sense to help floridians. >> what's the verdict in arizona? is the wall a priority to any of your listeners? >> the wall is definitely a priority. and i think actually arizona's actually more than 80% land is owned by the government. you know, there's a big federal presence here, especially with the national monuments and the grand canyon. it's not affecting people's lives enough yet here.
we've managed to keep the grand canyon open. the state has managed to do that. we're not feeling the pinch here. a lot of people have been concerned for a long time about what's going on on our southern border. they'd like to see the wall done. i think that might change, though, if airport lines start getting really long and other things start happening here. as far as the federal shutdown goes. >> do you get the sense from the folks that call in, do you get the sense that they view this fight as worth it? do they say the fight is worth shutting down part of the government? >> you know, it depends. it really does. i think there are a lot of people who have been terribly affected by illegal immigration. yeah, they do think the wall is worth the fight. there are others who don't really see the wall as being completely effective. they're like, yeah, not so much. but i think overall until people start really feeling real pain from the shutdown, more than
just, you know, federal employees like the people who provide food and housing for federal employees, when they start feeling the pinch, it might be a different story though. >> the president continues to take this hard line, as you know. but like so many situations with this president, there's a tweet for that. this is a tweet from 2013. fact. the reason why americans have to worry about a government shutdown is because obama refuses to pass a budget. my sense that people are far angrier at the president than they are at congress regarding the shutdown. an interesting term. is the president going to be able to deflect blame for the shutdown to congress? >> no, i don't think he will be able to deflect blame to congress. when you think about it's directly affecting people's lives now. we're well within close to 20 days of a shutdown. i think you have to understand this, i had a caller call in yesterday and sit there and say he was a government employee. he has not been paid.
he's never really had a great relationship with his landlord. the shutdown could last for months maybe even years. my landlord might sit on a couple months' rent, but he's not going to let me stay with my family for years. i think that comment is one that is absolutely devastating to federal workers all across the country and has them all riled up and has direct effects on the economy as far as people and money changing hands. >> the sense that jim just alluded to. we've heard it from other folks as well. that people aren't necessarily feeling the direct effects just yet so they are somewhat indifferent. a lot of folks, unfortunately, have grown somewhat accustomed to the government shutting down from time to time. is that the sense you get as well? >> i do. for people who aren't directly employed by the government you do hear this idea of, well, if anything, this just proves the government really is totally ineffective and doesn't have any bearings on my life whatsoever. i think it's hurting the
government and its ideas of what it can and is and how it does, in fact, influence people's lives. >> jim, who do you surmise is going to pay the political cost for all of this? >> you know, that's a good question. i think there's a possibility still, i think advisors are telling the president do the national emergency. get your wall and also get the government open. even if it doesn't pass muster through the courts, which i guarantee you the democrats will, of course, sue him the minute he declares a national emergency to get his wall. at least you can tell people you tried. i think it's a real possibility that might happen today. especially when he's on the border in mcallen. but who knows. you know? it depends on which party you affiliate with who you're going to blame. that's what it comes down to. >> where so many things these days unfortunately. thank you. ready for a stand off with the mueller report expected, a new report is taking us inside
new signs today that the mueller probe could be close to wrapping up. a source close to deputy attorney general rod rosen tine telling nbc news he plans to stay on until mueller submits his report. that comes as reports circulated yesterday that rosenstein would leave once a new attorney general is sworn in. let's bring in the former deputy assistant attorney general and betsy woodruff. she is also an msnbc contributor. rosenstein reportedly ready to step down. this new reporting says he'll stay on until the probe is over. you know rob rosenstein. what's behind his decision? >> i would say exhaustion first and foremost. a normal deputy attorney general serves 18 months. he did two years. they say that it's a marathon,
not a sprint. for rosenstein it was a sprinting marathon with people coming after him personally on all sides. i'll bet he's been eager to get out for a while now and wanted to do the responsible professional thing of waiting until the mueller probe was in relatively safe hands. he was reportedly elated when bill barr was nominated because barr is at least an institutionalist, a professional at doj. i think his time has well since come and he steps down having really served the country almost to the point of dropping. >> betsy, reuters reportedly spoke to rudy guiliani, the president's tv attorney this morning. according to the article, he said mueller raised the possibility of follow up questions but their outside legal team said that trump would not respond. trump's lawyers and mueller's team have had no contact since then. as far as we're concerned,
everything is over. guiliani telling reuters. what do you take from mr. joll ya guiliani's comments? >> i haven't spoken with mr. guiliani in the last 24 hours or so, but this report is consistent with what my sources have been telling me. the negotiations between president trump's personal league team and mueller and his investigators never formally closed. trump's lawyers had been under the impression that mueller had more questions he wanted answered, despite the fact that the president turned over written answers to questions from mueller's office. the next big question, of course, is does mueller try to twist arms on president trump's legal team to get more information out of the president himself? in my view, i think it's not likely that mueller subpoenas the president, in large part because that would kick off a volcanic legal battle that could drag on for months, if not years. my understanding is that nobody
wants that. i don't think a subpoena is likely at all. however, its impossible to rule anything out at this point. the fact that rudy guiliani is making comments like this, seems to mean it's front of mine for their lawyers. >> barr, if confirmed has oversight of the mueller investigation. the nominee yesterday met with republican senators, including chuck grassley, lindsey graham. no dems. we learned a few minutes ago he's going to be meeting with a number of democratic senators today. originally dems were told they would not be able to meet with barr because of the shutdown. a number of them going to be meeting with him today. are you surprised it now appears to have changed? >> it doesn't shock me. in part because democratic senators were so outspoken about their distress about the fact that barr hadn't scheduled meetings with them. i chatted about this this morning with the justice department official as well as
with senator blumenthal, who as of when i spoke with him had not formalized any sort of meeting with bill barr. he said his concern was he wanted to have an extended conversation with the potential potential attorney general and in particular how transparent barr would be. he wanted to have that conversation before barr's hearing. a piece of this that's important for people to remember, my understanding is part of the reason that not all the democrats are scheduled to have meetings with barr before his confirmation hearing is because this process is happening under such a tight schedule. the senate judiciary committee is trying to get this hearing to happen in an expeditious matter. republicans certainly have something of a hangover from the kavanaugh confirmation process. they don't want to see that replicate itself. but they're likely to face
criticism if democrats don't feel they can scrutinize barr before he's confirmed to be the top law enforcement officer in the united states. >> really quickly while i have you here, i want to ask you about this new washington post reporting that the white house is apparently lawyering up in a big way. 17 lawyers reportedly hired. this is according to washington post. the report goes on to say that the newly arrived white house counsel is the one doing the hiring. we know the president was having trouble finding a legal team a few weeks ago. what's changed? >> so a couple points. you're absolutely right. pat cipollone has brought in new lawyers. they are preparing a strategy of executive privilege which is going to be a tough claim in the wake of the nixon case. i think what changed is the
rubber is hitting the road and he was able to attract a number of people and some very high proty profile folks to act as his deputies, like pat philbin. the battle is about to be joined, pretty exciting terms for a constitutional lawyer. >> thank you. impossible no more. i'll introduce you to the guy who just did something that no one has ever done. a 54 day trek across antarctica by himself. collin obrady is his name. we're going to talk to him on the other side of the break. we'll find out how he did it and why he did it. it's an nbc news exclusive. y he. it's an nbc news exclusive
finally crossing that imaginary finish line. >> this was such a hard journey. >> the trailblazer himself, colin o'brady joins me now, so good to see you, brother, congrats. >> appreciate it. >> when you reached that moment and took that video announcing to the world that you've done something that's never been done before, what was that like? >> that was a magical moment, you can see it there, tears of joy, relief, a little bit of sadness that the journey was over. a mix of emotions but an incredibly proud moment for sure. >> for folks who haven't been following that, how heavy was that sled, what was in it? >> i was the first person to
travel across antarctica solo, no aided, no re-supplies, no dropbox, just me pulling the sled. which meant that sled was basically full of 375 pounds of food and fuel, no extra underwear or gear like that, just food or fuel, more or less, to get me to the end. and pulling it all the way across with everything i needed. >> no extra underwear? >> i know that's disgusting. but every ounce mattered. and it's hard to change your clothes, honestly, when it's that cold outside. in that video when i was crying at the finish line maybe i was crying a little bit because i was smelling myself. >> was there a point along the journey when you thought, i'm not going to be able to do it, this is going to end today? >> there was many times. the human condition, we have doubts in our mind, that negative voice that says you can't. i actually named this project "the impossible first," because the general public and people have written about this project saying it can't be done, humans
can't do this. my inspiration was to push human potential, find out those deep reservoirs of potential, the limits we have within us. there were moments when i did want to quit. but i said, if i can put a few more steps in front of the other maybe this too shall pass. >> we'll play what you said on the journey here. >> not doing good. but trying to hold it together. >> yeah, i mean, like there were some really tough moments. you guys are pulling out the hardest ones of me crying there. there were some other, joyful moments. it was pristine there, i didn't take a single day off, i'm pulling a 375-pound sled in the harshest place in the world. and i'm all alone. the physical challenge was immense but the mental challenge was really intense.
>> not only did you not take a day off, as i understand it, on christmas eve you decided, you know what, i'm going to celebrate by nearly killing myself. what happened on christmas eve? >> so on christmas eve i realized i was three days from the finish line. i had been averaging 20 to 25 miles a day. i woke up christmas morning and sailed, you know what, maybe i can do it in two days, maybe i can do it in one day. i did 32 hours continuous without stopping, nearly 80 miles in one straight continuous go, the antarctica ultra-marathon to finish the project. when i got to that finish point, that was me going 32 hours to finish. >> there was another gentleman trying to do the exact same thing at the exact same time. who was he, what happened to him? >> yeah, captain lou rudd, a british guy who has a responsible of experience in antarctica, british special forces. this has been in the zeitgeist
of the polar community for quite some time. unfortunately someone died trying to complete this project. but lou and i ended up at the same time trying to complete the project. i was first, but he became the second a few days later, hat tip to him, i have the utmost respect for him. of course i'm proud that i finished first. >> you're a national hero. thanks for getting back and a big thanks to your wife as well. what's her name of? >> jenna, just an amazing. >> she's outside. jenna, thank you for sharing him with us. we'll be right back. hank you fom with us. we'll be right back. l. your tooth is going to look yellower, more dull. i recommend pronamel because it helps protect and strengthen your enamel. it's pro enamel. it's the positive thing. ♪
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