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>> democratic senator kirsten announced her run for president. she'll be our guest tomorrow. now formally running for president. very exciting that does it for us tonight. we'll see you again then. now it's time for "the last word". >> i have something on my show tonight that you haven't had in a long time. it's a senator not running for president. >> oh, where did you find one? >> actually, you did have chuck schumer earlier tonight. he's the leader, that doesn't count. so we have john tester.
>> i tried to get him to run. >> if and when he's tapped as a running mate for whoever is the nominee, what grounds would he say no? i'm excited about this. >> it's pretty obvious his not running for president is just so obviously positioning himself for vice president that i can do a good ten minutes on that. >> the horse race will kill us all, my friend. >> thank you, rachel. >> thank you, lawrence. >> behawe have breaking news. robert mueller in consultation with the house oversight committee elijah cummings will likely restrict some of michael cohen's testimony to that committee when michael cohen appears in a hearing on february 7th. a person close to michael cohen and familiar with what michael cohen will tell the committee says he plans to describe
president trump as quote a madman. and that person said the testimony will give you chills. the withdrawing from the united states from nato and he has been on that brink of doing exactly that for a year. a year that has been apparently terrifying for senior trump administration officials who have been working hard to prevent donald trump from giving vladimir putin what one source calls the gift of the century. nato is the most successful peace keeping organization in the history of war and peace in this world. the north atlantic treaty organization founded after world war ii is always described as a military alliance, but the
alliance was formed so that none of the country's in it would ever have to use their militaries again. that was the dream of nato. and at the beginning, it was impossible to believe that that dream could come true. europe plunged into full-scale war twice in the first half of the 20th century. there is only 20 years between world war i and world war ii. some soldiers fought in both of those wars. war in europe is the normal condition throughout european history right up until with american leadership nato was founded. turning european countries from declaring war on each other. t to for the very first time being real allies, durable allies over decades and decades and over the
decades, more european countries wanted to be part of nato especially after the chance of the country most opposed to the very founding existence of nato, the soviet union. in the 21st century, vladimir putin turned russia back into an anti nato posture and russia is nato's biggested a ver tar eda. he would love to effect among themselves and vladimir putin's wildest dreams he would love nato to collapse. it was a corrupt dictatorship with relatively transparent governing processes that include free debate, healthy descent and real democracy and those were
earmarks of governments and countries that thrived since world war ii and so nato, being the most successful piece organization in history, the organization that has kept the peace in europe has not been rotting from within for years like the soviet union was and not on the verge of collapse but nato is facing the greatest risk in history and according to a new report tonight, that threat comes from within from the president of the helen cooper and julian barns for a riveting account to destroy the most successful peace-keeping organization in mu history under the headline trump discussed pulling u.s. from n nato. the sources sited for "the new york times" report are senior
administration officials means they are working at the trump administration at a senior level and very, very worried. other sources are referred to as former officials. and t in the article, the current senior officials seemed united in their fear at any moment, donald trump could announce the withdrawal of the united states from nato and we will discuss with helen cooper that may be the reason these trump officials are talking. they may be the only way to destroy nato is to go public and create enough outrage and opposition in washington in the senate and the house even republicans hope that probably that republicans will raise their voices in opposition to stop the president from doing
what he wants to don't the senior administration officials told the new york tyimes mr. trump said he wanted to withdraw from the north atlantic treaty organization. he told the top national security officials he did not see the point of the military alliance. now the president repeatedly stated desire to withdraw is raising worries among national security officials about the concern for efforts to keep his meetings with mr. putin secret from his own aids and an fbi investigation into administration's russia ties. the article quotes under secretary of defense under president obama saying withdrawing from nato quote would be one of the most damaging things any president could do to u.s. interests. it would destroy 70-plus years of pain staking work across multiple administrations,
republican and democratic to create perhaps the most powerful anded a ve ed advantage allianc history. withdrawing from nato would be a geopolitical mistake of epic proportion even discussing the idea of leaving nato let alone actually doing so would be the gift of the century for putin. the trump administration official's account as reported in the account depicts the president of the united states who cannot comprehend why nato is important and how other countries set their spending levels for defense. quote, he appeared not to grasp the details when several tried to explain to him that spending levels were set by parliaments in individual countries. in other words, they are set exactly the same way they are set here, by the congress, not
by the president. which is something the president still doesn't seem to understand especially when it comes to his wall. the trump officials told the times that the president's inability to understand the importance of nato is like his inability to understand why the united states does not simply see iraq's oil. the times says while officials have explained multiple times why the united states cannot take iraq's oil, mr. trump returns to the issue every few months. on december 20th when defense secretary james mattis shocked washington with his publicly released resignation letter to the president, mattis put in writing his disagreements with the president emphasizing their disagreement about nato and respect for allies. jails m james mattis says while the u.s. is the indispensable nation, we cannot serve that role effectively without maintaining strong alliances and showing respect to the allies. we must use all tools of
american power to provide for the common defense including providing effective leadership to our alliances, nato's 29 democracies demonstrated that strength in their commitment to fighting alongside us following the 9/11 attack in america chasm in his resignation letter, he said to provide a full transition to a new confirmed secretary of defense, he would stay on the job through february so that he could attend nato's meeting of defense ministers at the end of february. president trump then took the position of in effect, you're not resigning because i'm firing you and he pushed james mattis out of the defense department on july 1st. on january 1st, sorry. at that nato defense minister's meeting in february, for the first time in history, nato defense ministers will not be joined by an american secretary of defense who they can trust.
joining our discussion now, helen cooper, correspondent for "the new york times" and one of the reporters that wrote today's piece on nato and evelyn, a senior fellow at the german marshall fund and secretary of defense and msnbc national security analyst and david is a senior editor at "the atlantic". >> helen, what i felt i was reading in your article is fear. every source from within administration, current senior ocho i shall officials sound afraid of what the president might do in terms of simply trying to remove the united states from nato. >> hi, well, i think there is certainly a lot of concern in the national security among president trump's national security advisors when he first raised this and each time, they brushed it aside and moved on
not sure whether he was serious or not but returned to it again and again i think you would see both in congress and in the senate and in the house and you'd see a wide spread move to push back against this if something, if president trump actually did propose this and let's be clear he hasn't. he's decembiscussed this and br it up again and again but has not made an actual move to do so yet. so they hope to kit it off at the pass. >> helene, do you think some things they said to the president have not gotten through to them for over a year and they are hoping the magic being on the front page of the "new york times" breaks through to the president? >> i'm not sure i'm ready to prescribe motive why they talk
us. this is something that julian and i have been working on for quite suspect. you recall the nato summit meeting last year, it was a disaster and raided the european leaders and angry about not meeting specific defense spending targets and ever since that meeting, things have been dribbling out, you know, for instance john bolton who had taken over as the national security advisor, jim mattis, the defense secretary had done a lot at the meeting to sort of shield the nato from what many people viewed as the president's, some, one word that one aid used was a tantrum but since then, president trump has according to these aids returned to the idea of withdrawing from nato. this is one of the things that
nobody is quite sure how serious he is and one administration official i spoke with said specifically you know, whenever he brings this up, we sort of move on to something else and sort of act as if this isn't really happening and move on and then there are other crisis to deal with. you have jim mattis gone. you have one of the biggest defenders of nato leaving administration. you have a meeting coming up and the fear that president trump may return to this idea and then the question becomes who within administration will stay with him. >> your reaction to the reporting in "the times" tonight. >> congratulations to the story and surfaces something a lot of people have been worrying about for a long time. you can see not just inside the white house but the conservative world, the mind being prepared to accept a russian view of the
world. on other networks you hear issues and ukraine, repetition of this russian talking point, which is if anybody checks anything vladimir putin wants to do, they are voting for war. give putin what he wants or else you're for war. that was a big theme of the 2016 election where a vote for hillary clinton was the russian propaganda and other sources said it was a vote for war because she would sometimes disagree with vladimir putin. it's also important to understand especially for peace-minded people that there is a bad habit of describing this discussion as want to be tough on russia or soft. the goal is not to be tough on russia. the people are being tough on russia are people piare 67% of russians don't have indoor plumbing, hot water and heating. america is trying to be soft on russia to help russia become a modern country. it a poor place that is did
veerti -- diverting into corruption and confrontation. the goal of nato is not to fight russia but ready the way so russia can be a proper country democratic and inside the european union. >> there is certain brexit element to it that withdrawing from nato requires basically a year's notice to nato so if the president announced tomorrow, it would take about a year to actually execute the withdraw. that would give congress time to act to prevent it. let's listen to what democratic congresswoman jackie spears said about what congress should do if the president does this. >> i think that act would be so destructive to our country and to our ability to protect the national security of every american that it would be a ground for some profound effort by our part, whether it's impeachment or the 25th amendment.
he can't do that. >> the resistance in congress goes beyond the concept of just passing legislation that would tie the president's hands and prevent him from doing it. it's seen as so grave and so grave a disservice that it again, rarises the issue of impeachment. >> lawrence, first of all, it's important to note that there are a lot of people in this town who know what's been going on behind the scenes and they are not talking. some of them were talking right in the aftermath of the summit last summer and some of them were talking to people like me. and those people were senior administration officials. some of whom have since moved on. when secretary mattis resigned in light of what i had heard, i also started talking a little bit to reporters because frankly speaking, when you look at secretary mattis' letter, he puts i'm resigning, as you pointed out after february 28th; the date of the summit. because at that summit, i want
to be able to be there to articulate and protect department of defense interests. department of defense interests, which really means american national security interests. secretary mattis is signaling he's afraid if he's not there at the next summit, something bad might happen, the department's interest might not be represented fully. and the reason for that is because president trump got awfully close at that last summit meeting to withdrawing and it required the intervention of cabinet level officials and it sounds like also some foreign officials to keep him from doing so and in fact, it was so bad when he went to give the press conference, not everybody knew -- most people didn't know except for donald trump what he was going to say. the senate got word of this and in the last house, they passed legislation tieing the president's hands. the gram menendez bill would have to be passed again but c contains a provision that says
the president cannot withdraw the united states from nato without the approval and the consent of the senate. >> and helene cooper, you spoke to europeans, european sources in the article. what do you expect their feeling to be at that next defense minister's meeting without james mattis there? >> there is a lot of worry among the europeans. i remember i was with mattis with defense secretary mattis when he first went right after the inauguration when he took his first foreign trip and we went to munich to the security conference and brussels to nato and there was so much reassuring that jim mattis was doing with the europeans. it was a lot of don't worry. you know, we still have these institutions, this america is still america. so he was -- there was a lot of that. most of the european diplomats i talked to love jim mattis and
they tend to, they were pretty -- this whole idea of mattis as the last man standing sort of almost the last adult in the room sort of originated in europe. so i think there is going to be a lot of concern. we don't know yet how acting defense secretary patrick shanahan, he does support -- we believe he does support nato but we're not -- nobody is sure yet how strong he is going to be on defending the alliance to president trump. he has made a point of saying he doesn't feel that the pentagon should be the department of no to president trump, which is how the white house after awhile started to view the pentagon under jim mattis. >> helene cooper thank you very much for joining us with your important reporting and evelyn, david, thank you for joining the discussion. when we come back, everything william barr said and prepared remarks about protecting the mueller investigation sounded good to supporters of the
mueller investigation but then came the questions and no no one is really sure what william barr would do as attorney general when it comes to some of the most important aspects of the mueller investigation including robert mueller's final report and john tester is here and when the senator goes on tv these days, he must be announcing his exploration of his campaign for -- we'll see. we'll see what john wants to talk about. see we'll see what john wants to talk about aaaaaahhhhhhhh!
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in senate confirmation hearings, the devil is in the questions and today was a perfect example of that. we knew last night that in the confirmation hearing today of william barr for attorney general, william barr would say hevitally important to complete the investigation and we had the prepared testimony last night and knew he was going to say he's been friends personally and professionally for 30 years and knew he was going to say if confirmed, quote, i will not permit partisan politics, interests or improper consideration to interfere with this or any other investigation and we knew he was going to say his friend bob will be allowed to finish his work and all of that sounded good to supporters of the mueller investigation, then came today's questions. what will happen to robert mueller's report when he hands it to attorney general william
barr? at first barr seemed to say he would make the report public. it was an important investigation and americans needed to know about it but as the questions wore on, it became much less clear how transparent william barr would be with the mueller report after he repeatedly sited the justice department rule for special counsel reports. that is a one-sentence rule, which says at the conclusion of the special counsel's work, he or she shall provide the attorney general with a confidential report explaining the prosecution or declination decisions reached by the special counsel. trying to figure out what william barr would do with robert mueller's report. >> you said that the mueller report is confidential so i'm
trying to get what you're going to be chance pararetransparent >> the rules i think say the independent, the personal counsel will prepare a summery repo report on any declination decisions and should be treated as any other trksdeclination wi the department. the attorney general is responsible for notifying and reporting certain information upon the conclusion of the the investigation. how these will fit together and what can be gotten out there, i have to wait -- i would have to wait. i'd want to talk to rod rosenstein and say what he has
discussed with mueller. >> so as of the completion of william bar's testimony today, we're not really sure what will happen with whatever report or reports robert mueller hands over to the justice department if william barr is confirmed as attorney general and it would seem ethically routine for an attorney general nominee as a president under criminal investigation by the justice department to promise to recrew himself from supervising that investigation in his confirmation hearing but that's not what happened today. william barr said he would consider any recrui recreusal recommendation and that would be his decision alone. >> under what scenario would you imagine that you would not follow the remember men dags of the career ethics officials in the department of justice to recuse yourself from the mueller
investigation? >> if i disagreed with them. >> and that was that. william barr was not asked if he believes he could credibly explain to the american people why he did not recuse himself after justice department officials recommend that he recuse himself, if that happens. senator amy klobuchar pressed william barr on what line a president would have to cross to be guilty of obstruction of justice. >> the president persuading a person to commit perjury would be obstruction, is that right? >> yes. >> okay. >> any person who persuades another -- yeah. >> okay. you also said a president or any person convincing a witness to change testimony would be obstruction, is that right? >> yes. >> okay. and on page two you said that a president deliberately impairing the integrity or availability of evidence would be an
obstruction, is that correct? >> yes. >> and what if a president told a witness not to cooperate with an investigation or hinted at a pardon? >> i'd have to know the specific fac facts. >> you said if a president destroys or alters evidence, that would be obstruction. >> yes. >> okay. so what if a president drafted a misleading statement to conceal a meeting? would that be obstruction? >> i'd have to know the specifics. >> after a break, we have analysis of today's confirmation hearing from elliott williams and lisa graves. d lisa graves. to make you everybody else... ♪ ♪ means to fight the hardest battle, which any human being can fight and never stop. does this sound dismal?
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in my opinion, if a president attempts to enter phone in a matter that he has a stake in to protech himsectect t would be looked at a breach in his constitutional duties. >> assistant attorney general in the department of justice and worked on senate confirmations of loretta lunch and deputy attorney general sally jats and al -- yatea. and lisa, elliott, you've been on the opposite side of this proce process. let me start with elliott who has been there with the nominee. your reaction to what you saw today and what do the supporters
of the mueller investigation have to feel good about, what do they have to worry about at the end of this testimony? >> well, look, lawrence, if you like matthew whitaker, you're going to love will iam barr because of all the matters and question whether he would rely on the opinions of career attorneys at the justice department, he didn't give answers. skilled attorneys and he's a very skilled attorney, spend their entire career learning how not to answer questions. and answering questions in a manner that sounds sort of good but really isn't actually providing any meaningful information and never said he would rely on the answers of the thoughts of career attorneys and never said he would commit to making the report public. this is a matter of enormous public interest and not making a commitment to make the report public should be very troubling. across the board, he hasn't shown himself to be much a departure from his predecessor. so to answer your question, no,
people should not be thrilled on this question of what to do with the mueller investigation. >> senator chris coons took one of the most important questions of the day from history and observation in listening to donald trump for two years, let's listen to chris' question that got a strong answer from william barr. >> if the president directed you to change those regulations and then fire mueller or simply directly fired mueller, would you follow richardson's example and resign instead? >> assuming there was no good cause. >> assuming no good cause. >> i would not carry out that instruction. >> and so lisa graves, william bar, essentially said there will be another saturday night massacre if he is ordered to fire robert mueller by donald trump. >> that's what he said but i'm
not sure twhathat's what he wou do. he basically made himself to be the opposite of elliott and in many ways what we see with barr is two people, the person that wrote that inflammatory memo si siding with the president at every turn and extremely broad press terrib presidential power and the hearing he tried to strike a more moderate tone, he's someone that's taken a lot of extreme positions over the years and has hostility towards women's rights, secivil rights and more and has extremely troubling, differential views towards the president and i think he would unfortunately not take the elliott abrams approach in reality. in fact, i think that he would be someone that might be more of an attorney enabler versus attorney general. >> we're just mixed-up elliotts, we're talking about elliott
richardson. >> richardson. >> we have all three famous ill yit -- elliotts in government are involved. elliott, we're on the tip of the iceberg of what this hearing was about. in fact, it was about a lot more than the mueller investigation, fascinating comments by william barr about how he would treat states that have legal, made marijuana legal and he would not try to interfere which is something of a change from jeff sessions. all of that we don't have time for because we're in an atmosphere where we are facing the urgency of the mueller investigation. so the focus is entirely on that, it seems like william barr, barring any shocking surprise has full support of all the republicans certainly on the committee. will certainly have full support likely of all republicans on the senate floor so it seems like this is robert mueller's new boss. >> yeah, it seems like it is
robert mueller's new boss. the fact that someone held a job 30 years ago doesn't entitle him to it and doesn't entitle him to get through without a full and complete vetting. on criminal justice matters, he expels a lot of views and one thing lisa left out on the amazing list where he's problematic. the lock them up views in favor in the late '80s and 1990s, even republica republicans today? a senate that vote for the criminal justice reform, views that aren't held. yes, he's likely to be confirmed but the senate should still go through its full responsibility to dig up his record and really see what's hiding back there and again, a lot of it is just out of touch and certainly, you know, certainly worthy of the second look from the rest of the senators. again, this process is flawed to the point someone can get through a confirmation hearing without really answering
questions in a meaningful manner. >> elliott williams and lisa graves, thank you both for joining us on what is the most important senate hearing of the year soon to be out done by surely dozens of hearings involving the mueller investigation and others. thank you for joining us. appreciate it. when we come back, a democratic season tonator who h win a tough campaign against donald trump effectively campaigning against him in trump country will join us next. john tester of montana is our next guest. montana is our next guest
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centure steve king. he voted against steve king today. >> i want to ask my colleagues on both sides of the isle, let's vote for this resolution, i'm putting up a yes on the board here because what you state here is right and it's true and it's just. >> before that, massive show of unity in the house of res representatives, president trump tried to divide and conquer the democrats and once again, discovered how completely unified the democrats are in the resistance to donald trump and the trump wall. donald trump bypassed the democratic congressional leadership and invited at least six democratic house members from swing districts with nine republican members of the house for what the president hoped would be a bipartisan lookingev show he was trying to solve the shutdown but all six of the democrats including abgigail asa
freshman has never been in a golf earning meeting in the white house turned down the invitation and stood solidly behind nancy pelospelosi's negotiation on the trump wall, which of course is just saying no to donald trump. everyone in the senate now knows that what started as the trump shutdown is now the mitch mcconnell shutdown because majority leader mitch mcconnell could bring any of the house spending bills that have been passed to a vote in the senate and they would pass the senate. montana senator jon tester is outraged by the senate's refusal to act in the shutdown. >> i take an oath of office to protect this country first and we're turning our back on this country. we can continue to have the debate about the best way to secure the border, but it should
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republicans are feelingsome impervious to people's pain, which is disconcerting. but our people in congress are beginning to scramble. if enough of them do and put pressure on mcconnell to bring the six bills that the house passed to the floor, we can get the government open. >> joining us now, senator john tester of montana. he is on the appropriations committee. senator tester, is chuck schumer right? is that what you're hearing from your republican colleagues, you could pass these house spending bills if nancy pelosi would just put them to a vote? >> if the house about their job and act like the executive branch, i think there would be plenty of votes to pass them and the government would be open because the house has already
passed them. and i would say this. if they're put on the president's desk, i think the president would sign them. i think he's sick of the shutdown, too, and i think it would give them a way out. on the odd chance that he were to veto them, bring it back and do what the legislative branch does and vote to override that veto, and i think there are votes to do that. look, all i'm asking is that the senate act like the greatest deliberative body in the world and take up the issue that's most important to this country right now, and that's reopening the government. and if we're able to get those bills on the floor, if leader mcconnell will put them on the floor, i think they pass and i think they pass handily. >> what has the shutdown meant to your constituents in montana? >> it's been bad. i mean, we've got the secondmost government workers in montana per capita in the country. ask so when and so when it comes to getting on an airplane and we got itsa
agents, which monday morning i got on a plane and they were not happy. it puts our security at risk in this country, because quite frankly, all these people are working without pay. they're working and not getting a paycheck. and i'm telling you that like most americans, that could mean losing a house. it could mean losing a car, not sending your kid to college. it means a lot of things. and that's just on the folks who aren't getting paid. we've got farm service agency offices that are closed, that are shuttered, they're not open. we just passed a farm bill. i think it's a pretty good farm bill. farmers can't get access to the fsa offices. why? because they're closed due to the shutdown. we have businesses that have small business loans out there that can't close on the small business loans because the espa shut down. the list goes on and on, lawrence, and the impacts are to real families. and i can't talk enough about how irresponsible this is for congress not to do its job, pass the bills, put them on the president's desk.
if the president vetoes them, do our job, try to get a veto override. but the ultimate thing here is this is not doing our economy any good, it's not doing our people any good. we have to recruit people to work in tsa and border customs. frankly, who would work for a government that in the last year has been shut down three times? this is crazy. >> we have the president's chairman of economic advisers saying this is like a vacation for federal workers. we have tsa agents who are working. the difference for them is they're simply not being paid, as no federal workers subjected to this are being paid. >> yeah, i mean, this is not a vacation. this creates a lot of the uncertainty and anxiety and families in montana and across this country, and that doesn't do anybody any good. and from a taxpayer standpoint, it is a gross waste of money. you've got folks who are basically locked out of their
jobs, that can't do their jobs. they should be made whole in the end so they're going to get paid for not working. in the meantime, how do these folks pay their bills? they don't have access to that paycheck that is so critically important because so many families in this country live from paycheck to paycheck, and government workers are no exception in that. >> senator chester, you just got reelected to a second term in montana. you had to beat president trump who went to montana to beat you. there were two people on the ballot, you and donald trump. with that six-year term, are you tempted to get in another elective fight with donald trump and go one on one in 2020? it seems that every time one of your colleagues go on television, they announce they're exploring the possibility of taking on the president. >> let me put it this way. i think we have a lot of work to do in this country, starting with opening the government. and i hope mitch mcconnell or
donald trump sees the light and opens the government. we can talk about border security because i think it's important to talk about, but let's open the government first. second thing is, we have a lot of needs in this country. there are no affordable housing to live in. we need to address that. we need to address infrastructure. we need to address health care costs. the list goes on and on. we need to do right by our veterans to make sure they can get health care while we build a va to get access to the va. i'm flattered that people would think i would make a goode good opponent for president trump. you're right, we took him on and beat him in montana, but the end result here is that we need to move this country forward. and there are so many things that congress needs to do and the senate needs to lead on, and if we don't do it, those things won't get done, and that's not the way you make america great again. >> what did you learn running against donald trump, as you had
to in montana, that the candidates who do decide to run need to know? >> you need to have a good ground game, you need to hit all the communities out there and listen to the people. the fact is everybody has got good ideas, and if you can use some of those good ideas to help move the country forward, move the economy forward, that's a good thing. you have to be yourself. you can't be something you're not. if you are, people see through that and they'll vote you out of office or you'll never get into that office you're trying to aspire to. it's just a lot of work, it's a lot of hard work, and it's a lot of listening. my folks always say you have two ears and one mouth, act accordingly. that's very true, i believe, on the campaign trail. you need to tell people what you stand for, but you also need to listen to them to find out what they're concerned about so you can help make change in the country and keep this country the greatest country in the world. >> senator tester, i'm going to leave you with this thought to sleep on. the last time we saw this many democrats run for president was
1972, and the guy who emerged from the field with the nomination was george mcgovern from south dakota, so your region has done very well when it comes to highly contested nominations in the democratic party. >> i would look at it from this perspective. we had one of the greatest majority leaders that we've ever had. his name was mike mansfield and he was a great majority leader because he got people together. he didn't divide them. and if he was alive now, he would say this government shutdown is a huge mistake. legislative branch, do your job. open the government. >> senator jon tester, thank you very much for joining us tonight. i really appreciate it. >> thanks, lawrence. >> we'll be right back. e right k
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talk to your doctor about mavyret. that's tonight's "last word." "the 11th hour with brian williams" starts right now. tonight, hints of more to come from robert mueller's investigation as the man expected to become mueller's supervisor as the next attorney general promises to protect the russia investigation, and he breaks with the president over whether or not it's a witch hunt. plus, what may be a very happy night at the kremlin. brexit has blown up. there are new questions over trump's commitment to nato while we fight among ourselves. sto and about that shutdown. this was day 25, and while more workers have been called back on the job including faa and irs, they still aren't getting paid and no one is about to blink as "the 11th hour" gets underway on a