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thanks for being with us. remember, follow us online on facebook and on twitter at mitchell reports. and here is ali develvelshi for "velshi & ruhle." >> thank you. i'm ali velshi, my partner stephanie ruhle is out today. let's get smarter. >> the air temperature 20 below. >> they lit the train tracks on fire to keep them warm enough to use. >> it's just so, so cold out here this morning and dangerously so. mail is not being delivered across 11 states. >> as the government's national oceanic and add monttmosphere i administration, global warming doesn't prove it isn't happening. >> 17 congressional negotiators tasked with trying to find out how to avoid another government shutdown. >> let's see if they were actually being truthful, once government was reopened, they
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would come to the table and negotiate something that's fair. if they don't, declare the emergency, build the wall with the united states military because that's what people in this country want. >> do you support legislation to end the shutdown once and for all? >> well, to modify one of my quotes that usually brings a smile to your face, there certainly would be no education in the third kick of the mule. >> you just have to have a plan so that you accomplish something by it and then reopen it. and i don't think, given that it went 35 days, we had a plan. >> in politics we call that getting rolled. >> do you support a medicare bill for all? i believe it will eliminate private insurance. for people who like their insurance, they don't get to keep it? >> listen, the idea is that everyone gets access to medical care. >> to replace the entire private system, where companies provide health care for their employees would bankrupt us for a very
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long time. >> is health care a fundamental right for every american? >> yes, every american should have the right for affordable health care. i thought the affordable care act was the right thing to do. refine it, amend it specifically because premiums have gone up. elizabeth warren wants to criticize me for being successful? no, i think she believes in programs that will lead to a level of socialism in america. if you want to look at a system that's noncapitalistic, just take a look at what was perhaps the wealthiest country in the world and today people are starving to death. it's called venezuela. >> all right. billionaires versus the tax proposal. former starbucks ceo howard schultz and former new york city mayor michael bloomberg both potential 2020 candidates, slamming activist candidate elizabeth's warren's proposal to levy a wealth tax on the rich. the massachusetts senator wants to tax assets held by the wealthiest in the country rather than simply taxing income, which
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often allows the ultra rich to pay a lower share of taxes than the middle class family. under warren's plan, households with assets worth more than $50 million would pay a 2% tax annually. households with assets more than a billion dollars would pay 3% each year. in all, the plan would only have an impact on 75,000 of the nearly 119 million households in the united states. after the businessman scoffed at her idea, warren responded telling the associated press, quote, another billionaire who thinks that billionaires shouldn't pay more in taxes, no surprises. but that's also not how we're going to build a future for this country. joining me now washington post political reporter eugene scott and sa hill kapur. thank you for being with us. eugene, let me start with you. bloomberg and schultz are more in line with democrats and republicans on a lot of issues. michael bloomberg, you'll recall, ran as a republican, although most of his policies do seem in line with democrats
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except on some of the fiscal policies. why, why do you think they're doing this? >> well, in part, i do think it's true because they are very wealthy and they know that their life styles personally would be deeply impacted by the policy proposals that senator warren is putting forward. but they also seem to believe that that's not the best way to improve the conditions of the middle class or working class americans. we've seen schultz go on media blitz discussing him rising into wealth from public housing and a working class background. he seems to suggest that there are other ways to grow wealth in this country from -- among poor people besides taxing wealthy people, but he hasn't clearly put forward a plan that would help communicate that to voters. >> sa hill, when you think about elizabeth warren's plan -- and there have been other democrats who stated similar things, different but the concept that the wealthy or highest earners need to pay more in taxes,
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what's the malgt on this? does it actually help or does it make people think that the tax system would be more fair? >> it's a popular proposition, ali. the idea of taxing the rich, especially the super rich, polls well nationally. i think elizabeth warren is conveying something about herself. proposals this early are vessels for candidates to convey something about themselves to voters. she's trying to say she's not afraid to go big and bold and anger some people in transforming the economic system, mitigating income inequality. that i think is going to be a central issue in the democratic primary. who is the best person to do this? it's obviously going to provoke a robust debate between the left wing of the par at this time and more centrist wing of the party, but we are seeing the window of discourse move in a pretty rapidly left ward direction inside the democratic party in the age of trump. >> eugene, one of the things that propelled a lot of democrats in the midterm elections was health care. health care did turnout to be the most important thing for
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many americans. and a lot of democratic candidates have endorsed medicare for all. which by definition does eliminate a lot of private players in the field. you heard michael bloomberg saying an absolute nonstarter that would bankrupt the nation. it is an interesting concept. while most other countries with universal coverage, universal health care don't have as much in terms of infrastructure of private insurers, there are a lot of people employed in that industry in the united states. what do you make of where bloomberg and schultz are vis-a-vis a lot of these candidates as sa hill said are moving to the left? >> to warren's point, if you tax the ultra rich, it would not bankrupt the nation or these industries. when warren has been campaigning, she said taxing the top 1% the rate she would like would provide more money for health care, provide more money for free education, provide more money for jobs and the other ideas she's putting forward.
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so it's not as if warren and other democrats who are leftist are trying to provide medicare for all without bringing the funds from somewhere else. they're hoping to bring it from people like bloomberg and schultz. >> sa hill, to what degree is elizabeth warren maybe just laying down markers, right, for others who declare or say that they're going to run to either reject, come up with something else, agree with as opposed to offering solid policy preskriptives? >> it's a huge part of what she's doing. she's setting the marker early. i'm going big, everyone needs to match me or raise me. on the issue of medicare or all it's a fascinating one. it's startling how quickly this has become a litmus test inside the democratic party. so many candidates, not all, but many racing to endorse this. the idea behind this, according to many activists that i've spoken to is to create space for moving the debate. as i mentioned earlier, in a more left ward direction. they know they're not going to
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get single payer next year or 2021. the obstacles are enormous for doing that. they want to lower the medicare eligibility age, allowing people to buy into it, putting an insurance option on the aca exchange. this would advance the left goal, government-run coverage, and this is i think what they're trying to do is make the space for that so democratic moderates in two or three years from now will be more comfortable supporting those proposals that are on the left and the debate at this point. >> right. it's worth noting in countries like canada and united kingdom, medicare for all type of idea single payer system is not considered a left or right issue or progressive issue, even conservatives in those countries support those ideas. only in america is it thought of as being that far left. thanks, guys. eugene scott and sa hill kapur. coming up next we're going to take a deeper dive into what some of these democrats are proposing in terms of health care. california senator kamala harris just announced she would eliminate private insurers
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completely as part of a medicare for all system. it's not actually as weird as it sounds. that's kind of how the medicare for all system would probably work. we're going to break down how that works. first senate committee chair chuck grassley said he plans on investigating the spike in the price of insulin for people suffering from diabetes. two congressional panels held hearings today on the high cost of prescription drug prices. insulin went up almost 200% between 2002 and 2013, according to the american medical association, which has asked the government to investigate. according to the centers for disease control, more than 100 million americans have diabetes or prediabetes. you're watching "velshi & ruhle" live on msnbc. you? for adults with moderately to severely active crohn's disease, stelara® works differently. studies showed relief and remission, with dosing every 8 weeks. stelara® may lower your ability to fight infections and may increase your risk of infections and cancer. some serious infections require hospitalization. before treatment, get tested for tb. tell your doctor if you have an infection
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by wiping out the insurance industry, which would lose millions of jobs -- >> you could never afford that. you're talking about trlds of dollars. >> i don't get with either of those guys you can make that change. those were potential independent presidential candidate -- independent presidential candidate howard schultz and presidential candidate michael bloomberg criticizing kamala harris's proposal. she called it medicare for all. she didn't come up with it but she endorsed it. it's single payer health care. senator bernie sanders introduced medicare for all as an act in 2017. senator harris was among 16
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democratic co-sponsors at the time. basically it would provide health care coverage for all americans or so-called universal coverage. the sort that most of the industrial world has, with no deductibles or copays. health insurance companies might be eliminated as a process. we're going to talk about that. several independent studies estimate the cost at 25 to $35 trillion over a ten-year period. in part, that would be paid for by higher taxes which would be offset by not having to pay health care premiums. either from the company's point of view or the individual's point of view. let's talk about this a little more. joining me is dr. kavita patel at johns hopkins medicine. she helped draft the affordable care act also known as obamacare. >> good to see you, ali. >> let's get through the myths of what medicare for all is or isn't. the rest of the medical world have people covered in health care. some are in insurance coverage,
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some are single payer systems like canada or great britain. most of them are not a medicare for all idea. this is just one type of way to do it. >> right, absolutely. and medicare for all, as you just mentioned, can also kind of have different variations to it. you can have kind of a way for you to -- what senator harris is referring to is really kind of truly what you said that senator sanders started, kind of a single payer health system. but i think the goal is to have care for everyone. and the way you get there in a medicare for all system can be different. you don't have to just turn a light switch on overnight and turn everything off. and you can also even have options where you allow adults to buy into medicare in addition to having a public option in the exchange, which i think a lot of us forget, but when the affordable care act was being drafted, actually nancy pelosi as speaker then had the house democrats drafting a public
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option. so senator harris, i think, is just bringing back a conversation that honestly, it's not a surprise to me that billionaires don't have a lot of fondness for this. i will tell you that americans who are foregoing health care to kind of pay their heating bills -- >> right. >> -- they are looking for a solution like this. >> you don't have to be a billionaire. you can be any one of my colleagues here at nbc who have some of the best coverage around. why would i want to give any of that up for something i'm sharing with absolutely everyone? putting aside the quality of care that you can get with a medicare for all system, let's go to what mike bloomberg said, that it will bankrupt us, that it will put so many people out of work. the private health insurance system which is bigger in america than any other industrialized country, any country anywhere, how do they get affected by a medicare for all system? >> right. so, a private health insurance company would basically have to compete for -- if you have a medicare option, which we know
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actually has lower administrative costs and as you just mentioned, you wouldn't have to pay the premiums because you would have medicare as an option. a private insurance market could still compete just like they do in other countries. in germany, there is a -- in most countries, all the e.u. countries and the canadian kind of system, they're all private health insurers. it's just they are actually the ones that the people who are more wealthy and can afford private insurance on top of what the government provides. so what would happen in a current kind of plan if we did actually switch medicare for all on, then all the kind of employer-based tax credits, a lot of the things that you and i as employees would enjoy would go away. >> right. >> because those would be used to fund medicare for all. >> so when we talk about those costs, those massive costs over ten years of putting in a medicare for all system, we have to keep in mind that we pay two to three times what most industrialized countries pay for
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very similar outcomes. sometimes those countries have better outcomes than the united states has. >> right. look at your paycheck to think about what your wages would be if those were -- if the premium dollars you're paying or what you share with your employer -- and remember, a lot of employees don't actually have employers contributing to their costs, but they access insurance through their employer who then receives a tax credit. so, you know, i don't think senator harris -- first of all, it's interesting that so many of these presidential candidates are putting a pretty bold stake in the ground and i applaud that. i think it's because of what you said. this is a top issue for voters. and then the devil is in the details, right? >> correct, yes. >> just remember barack obama when he was a candidate at this time, was absolutely against an individual mandate. and look what happened when he had to put the affordable care act together. >> there is a lot of work to be done here. a lot of people say to me why would i want a system like canada's if you want to wait and -- my father is a private guy and doesn't like me
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discussing his health matters on television. when he found he had to have a stint, he got it in a week of being diagnosed as having to have one. his bill was what it cost him to park at the hospital. that's what he paid. >> right. >> versus somebody who doesn't have insurance in america who may never get that done. >> yeah, i think that -- and i really would kind of challenge all presidential candidates and any party or independents to just talk about what they would do. you can strengthen the aca. i actually think that the spirit of putting out that issue will draw others to have to come up with something. and by the way, just -- ali, we talked about this. president trump has eroded much of what the kind of promise -- not all of it, but taking away the mandate in the affordable care act has been this little thread that has been pulled and is unraveling in a lot of the great accomplishments. so we need to do something. >> thanks very much. always good to talk to you. kavida patel is a fellow with
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minus 60 degrees, the coldest ever recorded. in coming days expected to get even colder. people can't last outside even for minutes. what the hill is going on with global warming? please come back fast. we need you. let's assume for a moment the president really is confused about the difference between weather and climate. this is for you, mr. president. weather is a temporary condition. today it's going to be 28 degrees, low of 5 on thursday in new york, it's going to be 15 degrees with a low of 11. friday, high of 23, low of 70. that's crazy. how can you imagine that this is global warming, a steady increase in temperatures? weather is a temporary condition. it's what's happening outside your window. it tells you what you're supposed to wear when you go to work today. weather can vary from the typical climate of an area when there is an seasonal cold or warm front. climate, on the other hand, is a long-term trend over an area of the planet. it's measured over hundreds,
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thousands, millions of years. the climate is a way to predict what future conditions will be like. weather tells you whether you should take an umbrella or not. i never do anyway. as evidence of climate change has accumulated, there's another point people like the president have latched into, dismissing human efforts to curb rising temperatures. listen. >> i think something's happening, something's changing, and it will change back again. i don't think it's a hoax. i think there's probably a difference, but i don't know that it's manmade. >> let me help you with that, mr. president. take a look at this chart. co2, carbon dioxide in the atmosphere has fluctuated for hundreds of years, fluctuated, fluctuated, fluctuated, look at this. thousands of years -- this is 400,000 years. look at this. look what happens. in 1950, the industrial age, once humans got involved and started burning fossil fuels at increasing rates, this is what happened to co2 output.
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if that's not enough, there's this. global temperatures since 1984. things are pretty steady through the end of the -- since 1884, things have been pretty steady through the end of the 19th century. but as human industry builds up and the cumulative damage accrues, temperatures start rising in the 50s and 60s. by the 1980s, you can see how alarming the trend is. why worry about this? let's say you live -- somebody owns property in florida or along the atlantic coast. as the ice melts, the sea level rises incrementally. if the green land ice sheets melt completely, sea levels along this area are going to rise by 20 feet. swallowing, miami, new orleans, and any other area that's shaded in red. you see how this increases? let's continue to shade this. all of this stuff shaded in red floods. joining me is nbc news technology correspondent jacob
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ward. first we hear from politicians and people who doubt climate change. well, it's cold where i am or even claiming we have the coldest years on record globally which actually isn't true. of the ten hottest on record, only two fall outside of the last ten years. so tell me why these opposite ideas, these anti-science ideas persist? >> well, i think it's exactly what you were pointing out about president trump. it's basically that our human sensor array is built mostly to just relate to other people in small groups sitting around the camp fire. we are not built as humans to rock huge abstract systemic changes. we're good at snakes and fire and things that are right in front of us. we just don't have the apparatus to imagine the kind of scale of change. you see this in technology. you see this now in climate change. we just don't believe it unless it's happening in front of our eyes. turns out our eyes cannot help
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us with this problem. which is why some people relate to weather more than they relate to climate. weather is something i have to react to, i have to put on the right coat. if i don't, i'll find out. >> right. i'm spiernsing this right now. how could it possibly be the planet is getting warmer. the kinds of changes we're talking about happen over multiple life times and can sweep us up -- your eyes wouldn't show to you moment by moment. it's something that challenges human perception. over hundreds of years, we on a moment by moment basis get tricked by our human senses which is we should believe what's in front of us. >> you study this. maybe people are intimidated to come up to you and say things like, you know, i don't think climate change is human driven or that humans contribute to it.
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what does a guy like me who is not a scientist, what's the best answer to people who continue to doubt whether climate change is actually a thing? >> i would say two things. first, if you're the kind of person who wants to go head on at the argument. i wish that we could hand out little placards or get tattooed on our arms, that graphic. when the industrial resolution hit, the trend started upward and it became a hockey stick. now it's a run away thing. but if you don't feel like fighting, go the other way and say, what is wrong with creating a more efficient, environmentally sensitive world? we are only going to get better and better at making things if we learn to you to make them in an ecologically and environmentally responsible way. it used to be that was the window dressing you would put on the end of a design project. these days any good architect, any good product designer is trying to make something that is environmentally sensitive. in my mind, i think to myself,
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don't worry about it if you just don't believe it existentially, i won't fight with you. it means we're getting better at what we do. >> when i show the chart of water levels rising, the military, the coast guard, the navy, they all understand this. they are trying to build and mitigate those things. so to the degree that people around the world who have to do things about this are doing things, and in the united states government agencies are dealing with it. state governments are dealing with it. municipalities are dealing with it. does it matter -- let me ask you this. how much does it matter that the united states pulls out of the paris climate accord? >> oh, it's huge. it's huge. we are one of the great emitters of carbon in the world. we and china are the two. you can argue we are bound up with china's emissions because some of our manufacturing takes place in china. that's our emissions, too. as we go so goes the planet in
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many ways. we have to go with it. for me, i just think that even though you hear at the top of the administration this sort of, you know, weird kind of vague dismissals of climate change. in the center of the government, places like the rescue teams that are right now trying to plan for the northern crossing, which they're planning to open up right where suddenly all the countries sweden, norway, russia, united states, canada that are going to share that morn border they're going to start sending ships. can our helicopters rescue people in the middle of that? these are practical people. when you begin to hear military and rescue planners planning for this kind of change, you know it's real. those are not people who take a flyer on theoretical things. >> i'm glad we have you to explain things. one of president trump's
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biggest moments announcing plans for a $10 billion manufacturing facility to be built by a foreign company in wisconsin. now that company appears to be backtracking on the deal. we'll have the new developments next. and we're watching markets. here's a live look at the dow after a rough day yesterday. we're seeing some of that come back. the dow is up more than 1.2 -- 1.1% right now. you're watching "velshi & ruhle" live on msnbc. u are so awesome. but the house was built too small... this is kind of awesome? how long are we here? for one year, sparks will fly. this is not awesome. i just want to make an omlete! oh, are you kidding me!? the drama will be real, but it won't save you any money on car insurance. geico. 15 minutes could save you 15% or more. why haven't you called geico? i had a few good tricks to help hide my bladder leak pad. like the old "tunic tug". but always discreet is less bulky.
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all right. president trump promised to revive american manufacturing. but a new report suggests that promise may fall short thanks to foxconn, a taiwanese electronic supplier for tech companies like apple and sony. if you got an apple, it was made by foxconn. it announced what the president called the largest greenfield investment by a foreign based company in history with hopes to increase u.s. production and bring 13,000 jobs to wisconsin. the company is reportedly reconsidering plans to make liquid crystal displays, lcd panels at the $10 billion campus and it intends to hire mostly engineers and researchers rather than the manufacturing work force the project originally promised. it's safe to say this wasn't what the president promised. in case you forgot, here he is praising foxconn's investment multiple times. >> foxconn will invest in
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southeast wisconsin while a larger facility is constructed over the coming years. and that facility is currently under negotiation. we have foxconn in wisconsin just announce, we have many companies, i say pouring back into the country. i think it's going to have a huge positive impact on race relation. foxconn makes the iphones for apple. so many companies are building now in our country. this is one of the largest plants in the world. and when you think in terms of 20 million feet, if you build in manhattan a million foot building, that's a very big building. >> joining me now is journalist covering foxconn since june of 2017. rick, thank you for being with us. what's the reason foxconn is giving for not pulling through on this plan? >> it's the changing nature of
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the global market place and the industry in which they operate, ali. >> so, foxconn is a company whose chairman has said that he actually would like to replace a lot of the workers who are putting these things together in china, these phones and things like that in china, with robots. so this is a guy who thinks that chinese labor, which is some of the cheapest labor in the world, is too expensive. why would reasonable people have thought that foxconn would make a very big investment in u.s. price labor. that's a good question. and i wish i could answer it for you. i have that question myself. but their plans for the nature of their work force have changed dramatically over the last year. initially they were talking about three quarters or so, maybe 9, 10,000 people being basically factory workers and the balance being engineers, researchers, that sort of thing. >> right. >> that's sort of been flipped
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on its head over the last several months. >> yet the president repeatedly praised this deal as proof of bringing jobs back to the united states. not just the president, by the way, in wisconsin. scott walker praised it, paul ryan praised t. you heard the president say many companies are pouring workers back into the united states. we haven't seen a whole lot of evidence of that. one could have seen this coming. if you know anything about foxconn, you could have seen that they sometimes backtrack. in fact, it seems to me in the united states they back pack 100% of the time. there is supposed will i a plant being built of harrisburg, pennsylvania which nobody has evidence of. >> that's the one i'm familiar with. it would have been a much smaller project. in 2013 they announced plans they were going to do this and it just never happened. i will say that even today, in
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reacting to the writer's story of foxconn thinking about, you know, shelving manufacturing of lcd panels in wisconsin, the company said while the market place is changing and we have to adapt with it we still are creating 13,000 jobs in wisconsin. every time plans surfaces, they repeat the plans. >> fair enough, you're a reporter. you have to tell me what they're saying. critics of the deal -- in fact, i want to read this to you. the company's own growth projection ands employment goal suggests the taxpayer investment would take at least 25 years to recoup. that's according to the wisconsin budget project. this is what you call a sweetheart deal for a company. it wasn't that foxconn decided we're going to put a plant in wisconsin. the promises that were made at a governmental level of tax
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subsidies, it would take taxpayers 25 years to recoup that. >> that's true as far as i know. and the subsidy of wages at foxconn was at 17% of the total wage bill, significantly higher than what wisconsin did in the past. >> rick, thank you for joining me. he's with the sentinel. accused as a pedophile more than a decade ago, what is standing in the way of that investigation? you're watching "velshi & ruhle" live on msnbc. n msnbc. (vo) we're carvana,
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welcome back to "velshi & ruhle". the justice department's inspector general urged congress on tuesday to grant him the authority to investigate alex accosta, the current secretary of labor. that's because accosta, a former miami-based attorney is behind a controversial 2008 plea deal with a politically connected serial sex abuser. according to extensive reporting by the "miami herald," billionaire jeffrey epstein recruited, manipulated and lured at least 80 under age girls to
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his palm beach mansion and sexually abused them. the report also found epstein was giving a shockingly lenient plea deal by the southern district of florida which was headed by alex accosta at the time. all this now leading to calls for accosta to resign from his kw cabinet position. it's a complicated story. joining me is former prosecutor for the southern district of new york, mimi. this is the inspector general for the attorney general, because at the time that this was happening, accosta was an employee of the department of justice. >> exactly. i mean, you have here sort of a perfect storm. the concern is that this is really going to fall through the cracks. accosta now is department of labor, not department of justice. the inspector general of the department of justice is saying, okay, i hear you. this needs to be looked at. and, in fact, he said in his
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letter -- he used the phrase important considerations, i think is what he said about this plea deal, needed to be explored. you know, he's not saying there's nothing here to look at. he's saying there's something to look at, but i don't have jurisdiction because the inspector general is -- does not have review power over pr prosecutorial misconduct. now, the inexpespector general review, as i understand, claims -- like if there was criminal conduct on the part of a prosecutor. i don't know that there is enough in the record now to call this criminal, but, you know, there is some possibility that accosta took some kind of prieb or promise for a future position in exchange for this lenient plea deal. >> in the best case scenario it's weirdly lenient consideration what the allegations were. in the worst case is it an issue of not taking child sexual abuse
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seriously enough. right, you put it exactly right. in the best case scenario is frankly not criminal. the best case scenario that's this a prosecutor who had relation ships, several attorneys including alan dershowitz and others. there was a private meeting that was reported between accosta and one of the attorneys who he was friends with outside of the u.s. attorney's office privately. i mean, very strange circumstances. and so i think frankly, the best case scenario is that he just agreed to lenient deal because they did not take these crimes seriously enough and they need to be relooked at, reexamined in light of what i think is a better understand of what happened to these victims. >> the worst case scenario, it was an explicit deal, epstein
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who is high powered and perhaps other people who might have been involved. one of the really strange things about this plea agreement is it essentially prohibited -- stopped any ongoing investigations into other peopl been involved with this scheme with upsteen. >> part of the issue is this was 11 years ago. it is unclear of what exactly happened but we'll continue to follow it. president trump repeatedly threaten to call out of nato. i got to interview the nato's attorney general. i will have that next, first, it is time for our monument american, we are honoring the civil rights a activist who
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would have turned 100 years old. he was born in oakland, california to japanese immigrant parents. when he was 23 years old, he refused to report to prison camp after the bombing of pearl harbor. fred korematsu, the court ruled against him in a landmark case 1944 claiming him in prison was not based on racism. this case over urned in 1983. korematsu took you have several causes including lobbying for compensation to japanese americans forced into labor camp. today at least three states are celebrating the fred korematsu's day. if you have a monumental americans, please tweet u us @velshiruhle.
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at the world economic forum, i had the opportunity to speak to the former prime minister of norway and the attorney of nato. >> what's your argument to those who push back against the strength of the mutual of defense agreement.
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actually future defense means that we defense each other. >> right. >> nato of course is important for europe based on the principles overall, we keep each other safe. it is a great advantage for the united states to have allies, friends, which always works together with them. russia and china does not have anything like that. u.s. does. the only time, it is mostly the united states. >> 9/11. >> hundreds of thousands of european so soldiers have stand together with the united states. >> do you have any concerns? nato is an important document. article five is the idea that
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someone attacks one of the 29 members of the country and everybody treats it as an attack on themselves and gets involved in that way. are you concerned that if there was one of these types of attacks, are you concerned that everybody will stand down or you think nato is as strong as today as it was in 9/11. >> the reason why we have this collective defense force is to prevent the conflict. because as long as every possible adversary knows that an attack on our nato ally, i have seen that work for 70 years. we noeed to maintain that unity. that's the best way to preserve the peace and prevent the conflict. that's the terms. collective offense, starting to get mutual offense is the best
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way. >> angela merkel, european and european countries need to take care of itself and now we have seen an alliance building between france and germany about sort of a mutual, sort of a n o nato-plus. what is that look like? what are they doing different than nato? >> i think it kind of deliver more european defense capabilities and weapon system and all of that is fine. european union can never replace nato especially after brexit. t at least they are moving in the right direction.
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it has to take place in nato. not competing but complementing it. >> that's nato's general. i want to reiterate one point in there. nato's article five calls for mutual defense if any country of nato is attacked, it is considered an attack on all country. katy tur is with me right now. you know this. the only time article five has ever been invoked was on 9/11. because that was an attack on america and nato says it was an attack on all of us. >> now, they are requests whether if we'll come to their aid. >> they sent troops to afghanistan and people die in defense of america because we have a mutual defense. >> people got a lot of blow back across europe were making that decision. it is important for us and sometimes we forget how good we got it because we have a mutual
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defense treaty. >> ali velshi, i am so happy you underscore. >> see you in an hour. the man who could be the lynch pin of robert mueller's investigation will be back in federal court in 48 hours. yesterday roger stone pleaded not guilty to seven charges including lying to congress and witness tampering. he's building a very public case to profess his innocence. an interview last night, of perjury as a simple memory lapse and explains why he thinks it is important to make the media realms. >> to the extent that i made a mistake of memory, they would be without intent or material under the law. for any legal experts

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