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ago. >> buying the oil and putting the money into an account that maduro can't access. and the country won't be able to access until there is a new leader. >> a country that a lot of americans don't know enough about. they were wildly wealthy, they could have gone in the right direction, but the people that felt like they have not shared the wealth will not feel any better about this. so the idea that venezuela gets worse before it gets bet sere on a lot of people's minds. the governor has to make a decision. justin fairfax, a possible potential successor to ralph northam is staying away from calling for northam to resign. >> they're saying they want him to quit so why not just say you should go. >> people can say whatever they would like, i made my statement on that front.
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i believe the governor has to make a decision in the best interest of the virginia. >> he told his staff this morning that he needs more time to deliberate about his next steps, but the demands for him to resign are growing rapidly. look at this list particular lay from those in his own party that are stating their position and calling for his immediate departu departure. it comes after this racist photo was revealed on friday. two men, one in black face, one in a kkk robe. he now denies that he is even in that photo but admitted to darkening his skin to look like michael jackson for a dance contest in that same time. following it all for us in virginia, jeff bennet, let's get up to speed about what is going on in the last few hours, it has
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been busy. >> there is no grand plan right now as i talk to you for him to gracefully bow out of office, he is still telling his aids and advisors there is still time. he tried to chart that path forward. he left the meeting not having made any new determinations about his future. he says he needs more time. there are people here that he represents, his constituents, they say he should be able to be redeemed. but increasingly you're hearing from democrats and republicans that say he should get the chance to be redeemed but as a private citizen. it appears that he could not quite resign even if he chooses to in a way that allows him to
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leave. >> and justin fairfax is faces allegations of a sexual assault that he is denying. he says it is uncorroborated. it was put forward by big league politics, they hint at possible justin fairfax sex assault. what is this? >> yeah, he denies the allegation that he assaulted a woman at the dnc convention in 2004. he concedes they had a c consensual encounter. he says he has been vetted by the fbi two times and it never came up previously. listen to what he had to say. >> does anyone think it is a
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coincidence on the eve of me potentially being elevated it comes out. it was a year ago this was brought up, and yet the post that investigated it for three months and they did not do it, they dropped it, because it was not true. >> so a quick fact check. he said they found it to be uncorroborated. the washington post says fairfax and the woman told different versions of what happened in the hotel room while no one else was present. the post did not fight significant red flags and inconsistencies within the allegations as the fairfax statement incorrectly said. so here is the big question. democrats have now enforced this zero tolerance policy. and here in the state capital
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you have allegations of what? b bigo bigotry and racism and now alleges of sexual assault. we seal what the party makes of any of this. right now ralph northam says he is not going anywhere. >> virginia's lieutenant governor, justin fairfax, will take over if northam resigns. he was elected as the state's lieutenant governor. he is a descendent of virginian slaves. and he kept in his pocket the documents that freed his great great great grandfather from slavery. he said it represents the progress that we have been able to make. he is only the second
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african-american elected statewide. if made governor he will be the second african-american governor of that state and only the third in modern u.s. history. fairfax worked as assistant u.s. attorney for the district of virginia before running in 2013 as a political outsider. he lost in a democratic primary but nearly beat out mark harring who is the current attorney general. he has only served one term, but he notably was part of a quiet protest and campaigned for two high pro file african-american candidates, stacey abrams and andrew gillum. joining me now, my guest
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moderated a debate with ralph northam and ed gillespie. >> we believe that governor northam needs to resign at this point. we don't see any way forward on how we can work with him. for the minority community, it is important we have someone we can trust in the governor's mansion and right now we don't trust him so it is time for him to go so we can go forward. >> i know the naacp took a pigs on it before he made a statement, does it change the way you look at this? >> no, his story was very
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suspect from what he told. it is very interesting that he would come up with a change in his story. what is interesting is a lot of people talk about the black face, what is more appalling is the kkk, a terrorist organization that terrorized african-americans for years. and to be associated with that in any way and think that we can talk and joke about that is not okay. >> is there any explanation that would cause you to change your positi position? >> unless someone can prove there was a big prank on the governor, no. he said something very interesting in his comments, i put a little make up when i played michael jackson, but it was hard to get off, how would he know it was hard to get off
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unless he had done it before. so we worked hard to vote to get this man elected and now he is, you know, he is not showing his trust, it is time for him to go. >> if he doesn't resun, what's the road forward? >> people will continue to prozest pr proprotpr protest? the local university has taken away their invitation. so there is a black history event that he is hosting. what can he do and how can he move forward? right now at this point too much damage has been done. >> phillip, good to talk to you, thank you for talking to me. the pressure for governor northam to resign is rising.
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as the "new york times" puts it, the president is also reshaping democratic politics. they have pushed democrats to try to set an example by aggressively confronting current and past misconduct in their own ranks. "the washington post" talks about why underlying this was so necessary. otherwise it would dilute the effects. maybe democrats cannot deliberation on these issues as they might have been able to a few years ago because the pressure is on democrats if they're going to call out this behavior, they have to employ a zero tolerance policy that doesn't allow for any nuance. >> i don't think it is that
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confusing, i think there is a real question about their willingness to have any hypocrisy on it. if you're talking about racism or the me too movement, the answer seemed to be there is no willingness for that. i don't think the democrats are confused about it. i think they are resolute about it right now and i think there is resistance on certain questions. what i'm not hearing reeight no is someone defending ralph northam. no one is saying he should stay in office, he made a mistake and he has changed. you saw him bragging that he won a dance contest as michael jackson with shoe polish on his face. i think we can assess that he really lost that dance contest. >> jonathan, i guess the
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question is, there is no one saying he shouldn't, but there are a few people that have not calling for his resignation, but the question raised on friday night is that he has common traited he has been on the right side of civil rights does that help him in any way or has that been left. >> i think if you're making an assessment of his career, that is surely a counter argument where you put in the long story about this incident with blackface and the clan picture and what he did at the dance contest, you write that story and the photograph says that he stood with democrats on civil rights issues, but it is part of the story of ralph northam, but
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to some extent, it is just, it speaks perhaps to a lack of tra transparen transparency. i think some issues have been more difficult, less black and white. you talk about senator franken. there was departure with his colleagues -- >> what is the comparison and the similarities here? >> there is just sort of clear and convincing evidence and the admission on his part, something that perhaps, i don't want to sigh there was gray area with senate franken, there was eight or nine allegations against him.
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but the category is larger and there is a spectrum there for people to consider that may be different from black face and a klan outfit for which there is no spectrum. >> jonathan, good to talk to you, always. >> right now jurors are deliberates the case of el chapo. the inner workings of his cartel, we learned a great deal about the inner workingsover international drug trafficking. we'll tell you why after the break plus an nbc news exclusive with juan guaido. the self proclaimed interim president of venezuela. kpgs the only one of its kind that can be taken every day. verzenio is the only cdk4 & 6 inhibitor approved with
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. right now a jury is considering the cause of joaquin el chapo guz meman. he is facing charging that span over 25 years. if convicted he could face life in prison. federal prosecutors plan to seize $10 billion in assets. the prosecution argued that he trafficked over 444,000 pounds of drugs into the united states allegedly smuggling them through tunnels, ports of entry, sub
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marim submarines, trains, and airplanes. they have painted a vivid image of his techniques. some were in passenger cars, cans of hajalapenos. he is also accused of runs the cartel by way of murder, kidnapping, and torture. hits were a key part of the par tell's operation. from local police to an alleged $100 million bribe to former mexican president enrique pena,
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neiato. stephanie gosk is outside of the courtroom where sldeliberations are under way. any indication for how long this could take? >> not much. i wish i had more for you. they already had a few questions been thaw don't shed any light on how long this will take them. they asked for further interpretation of what a drug war meant. if certain drugs were included like methamphetamine. they're looking at the ten counts and in every count there is violations. it is a mountain of evidence, 200 hours of testimony, 56 witnesses, they also have video and audio and text messages. there is a lot there, this trial
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went on for more than two months, and it is hard to predict how long this will take. >> reporters in the courtroom said that the acting attorney general was there. do we know about that and why? >> we're not sure, but you can suspect that this is a enormous trial for the federal government, but for the attorney general, you know, this is not just the fbi. you're talking homeland security, the dea. you're talking over ten years of investigation and many people in the organizations dedicating their careers just to catching this guy. so a guilt verdict here is an enormous success for the federal government. >> and they painted a picture about how a cartel like them gets drugs across the border. someone said to me earlier we
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like to portray them as thugs and not very sophisticated, this is really sophisticated. >> you know, if harvard business school would give a course on how to grow a successful drug taski trafficking business this would be case study number one. his other nickname that people don't know is el rapido which means basically speedy. distributers knew he could get the drugs across the border really quickly and he relied on a lot of different techniques, submarines, planes that could not be detected by radar, and law enforcement he would just pay off. they were all getting a bribe from him and the cartel and that helped grease the wheels for a lot of the operation. >> stephanie, thank you, we will
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keep you in close touch. if you hear anything you will let us know. up next, president trump will deliver a state of the union tomorrow night. kerry sanders sat down with the opposition leader juan guiado. we'll have that conversation after the break. guiado. we'll have that conversation after the break. unpredictable crohn's symptoms following you? for adults with moderately to severely active crohn's disease, stelara® works differently. studies showed relief and remission, with dosing every 8 weeks. stelara® may lower your ability to fight infections and may increase your risk of infections and cancer. some serious infections require hospitalization. before treatment, get tested for tb. tell your doctor if you have an infection or flu-like symptoms or sores,
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sfwlmplt could you shut down the government again? >> we'll have to see what happens on february 15th. don't like to take things off of the table. tf sf that alternative, it is national emergency. this is an invasion of our country by human traffickers. >> it comes at a precarious time in trump's presidency. just 38% of voters think that the president should be
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reelected, 57% think it is time for someone new in the oval office. halle jackson, i don't know if you have seen this but the president said david bernhardt will be the new acting secretary of the interior, what is your take on that? >> i did see that, ali. david bernhardt has been there for awhile. it was headed previously by someone with a series of questions. he ultimately stepped down at the end of last year. really just a mant or a mant and a half ago or so. he said he was not stepping down any anything related to these questions, and now his number two has been elevated, this guy is acting secretary, right?
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he has been involved with the president in moments like mlk day when they went to visit the national mall, he was one of the people there given that the national mall of course is part of the interior department. so bernhardt is out, those same questions though are in a sense following bernhardt. s he is a lobbyist with ties to the industries he is now regulating. he has sort of deconflicted or is working to deconflict some of those things. that is something he was conscious of. he did about interview here where he talked about carrying a card with his conflicts of interest on them. remember let me just pull back
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more broadly about personnel, false interiguintrigue, but whe comes to policy there are a few agencies that have focused like a laser in focusing on what his agenda was. and the interior department was one of those. some of the moves with national monuments that were very controversial, but when it comes to climate and issues around the interior, they have really executed what he wants to see and he is tweets favorably about david bernhardt. some people are serving in active capacities. some people are working against him. >> halle, thank you so much for
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being here. our chief white house correspondent. ahead of facebook's 15th birthday today, mark zuckerberg wrote an op-ed defending their data privacy practices. plus everyone is so worried about their privacy and internet when the is data collection we should be more worried about. more of that coming, you're watching msnbc. coming, you're watching msnbc have laser drilled holes. they release medicine fast, for fast pain relief. tylenol®
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today marks facebook's 15th anniversary and they're facing something like a crisis. facebook and the other sites they own including instagram and whatsapp connect 2.7 users on every continent. there is accusations they being careless with our data. and does the company even realize the extent of the problem. mark zuckerberg started 2018 with a post declaring he was dedicating the year to stopping abuse. a month later, belgium and
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germany ruled that facebook violated their privacy laws. then came the cambridge analytica study. in september facebook announced a security flaw that allowed an unknow party to take over 50 million accounts. then facebook unveiled another flaw that let hackers see personal information of 14 million users. so mark zukckerberg roek at op-d saying they're a savior for small businesses. if you believe in a world where everyone gets an opportunity to use their voice and an equal chance to be heard, where anyone can start a business from catch, then it is important to build technology that serves everyone. that is the world we're building for every day and our business model makes it possible.
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there is a lot to dig into. she wrote a response to zuckerberg's piece called "mark zuckerberg, let me fix that op-ed you wrote." the response was claims that the company doesn't sell data. we don't sell people's data, duh. we monetize people's data ourselves and offer -- i can't really read that. very creative way of doing it. >> you stepped on my joke there, ali, but go ahead. i read the op-ed, but some people may have been thinking this is kind of crazy. you basically rewrote it. what is the message that you think, in your language, c was the op-ed. >> i don't know because he
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ignored most of the things that happened this year, and he addressed a whole other pob that people don't have a problem with except for data problem. there has been several data problems around kids, teens, apple stuff, it is sort of interesting that he was addressing a problem that we weren't concerned with and not addressing the actual issues. >> not everybody thinks that everybody about facebook and social media platforms are bad. we recognize that businesses have profited from it. we're all worried about the same few things. >> yeah, absolutely. i think what was interesting is he wrote something else today that said people will get mad at ground breaking technologies like the printing press or whatever, rathder than understand the greatness of there. there should be some self
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reflection of what impact it had on us in this world, it reaches 2.7 billion people. i think one of the things that bothered me was the lack of reflection on the impact and the responsibility. so i think it is a druch i have been banging for a long time now but it is interesting that the penny still hasn't dropped. >> trust in facebook has dropped by 66% since the cambridge analytica scandal. the disconnect is interesting because they're still making a lot of money. and they don't really care. it won't matter, but i think what matters is when they're not
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there. they will continue to not pay attention to these things. slowly all of these things in time grow and have problems with it. people think it is an under valued stock. so when does the innovation cycle end? >> good to see you as always. we talk a lot about privacy, but my next guest says you should worry more about what information or data companies are gathering about you. i just posted his new piece, "why data, not privacy, is the real danger." data cannot just predict what thirty you may be willing to
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buy, but which topics are so emotionally engaging for you. look, the issue is real and can be addressed, but it is not just by advertising, but the influence that we have seen it have. but you're trying to make the distinction between data and privacy. >> right, it is the kind of thing that you and i can really imagine in our heads, social security, names, phone numbers, facebook says we don't trade in that. the difference is that data is the anonymous correction of your behavior online. and that can build, basically, like an avatar, a simlation
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of -- simulation of where you are. just the things that you do on your facebook and other platforms, it gives these companies a picture of you that is so powerful that it predicts what you're going to do next without you understanding what you're going to do next. for me the really best example of this is this constant thing you hear, they must be listening to me through my phone, the ads are so connected to what i just said. because of this incredible avatar they built of you based on your interests, they can map all of that comparing your avatar to billions of other people and know what you're probably talking about from moment to moment. that is how thoroughly we fit into categories. >> the danger here, the more the
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apps know about me, the more they will tell me what i -- i have not necessarily thought of this is negative, but when you think about the fact they sell the friends available, it is not always just so you can get a better thirty or one that is applying to you. they can use the collective data back on to you the things that may be more susceptible to you. >> yeah, their business is shir your attention. that is what they're trading in and they have done so much attention on how to get it and keep it. our emotions, our beliefs and our world view. it turns out that if you know that i'm interested in world war
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12 memorabilia, dance, and whatever else, you map those things out and you can get a picture of me that matches up to other people they have already done the simulations on. suddenly we can predict the things that we're going to do so that becomes an incredible way for anyone that wants to run a political campaign or a disinformation campaign. that is what it is great at. many people said it, it really is, a feature, not a bug, that these are such fabulous platforms for getting across propaganda. >> jacob, always good to talk to you. you can see his article i posted on his twitter and mine on msnbc.com as well. tomorrow an early facebook investor joins me to talk about his new book. waking up to the facebook catastrophe, how he became convinced that facebook is bad for america. coming up next, what is
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today, a big show of sport for juan guiado. germany, france, and others have joined the united states in recognizing guiado the interim
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president. they declared nicholas maduro's election last year a shame. nbc kerry sanders is in venezuela where he had an interview with juan guiado. >> well, there is a tremendous amount of anticipation. people waiting to see what will next. first, let me take you to a location here today where there was a small gathering support for nicholas maduro, the president here in venezuela. folks saying they will stick by him to the end chanting they're with him and the socialist l ii revolution.
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just a short distance away, a short block away, was the president of the national attemptably. and i was over there and had a chance to have an exclusive interview with him to ask him the question, what you just posed, ali, one on everybody's mind. let's take a listen. so when i asked nicolas maduro in english who the -- when i
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asked juan guaido in english who the president was, he said he was. and i asked him who is nicolas maduro, and i said well, he's the dictator here. we will play that sound a little bit later. i think what i just heard, and it's i litt it's a little difficult on the exchange here, he's talking about the u.s. aid being sent from the united states down to the border in colombia, where so many of the venezuelans crossed into colombia, about 5,000 a day. just over the border there's a tremendous need for food and president trump offering some humanitarian aid. but the president here, nicolas maduro, says he doesn't want it and, will not accept it and not allow it to cross the border. he did an interview with sky television. here's a portion with his interview.
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>> so you have the balance here of who is in charge and how will it all play out? clearly nicolas maduro has the military at his beck and call, so with the control of the military, he essentially is still the president and controls this country. but for the people who live here, life is difficult at all levels, in part because of a ridiculous inflation of 1.7 million percent, which is so hard to calculate. if you had $10,000 at the end of the year, it would be worth 59 cents. that's how quick the inflation is. to take you into a pharmacy to see how bare the shelves are. this is in a nice neighborhood and you can see there's hardly
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anything. i asked them if they had aspirin, and they don't even have aspirin. the medical needs are dire. the hospitals are really in tough shape. an oncologist who deals with small children tells us she can't do anything for them because she has no medicine, no chemo, nothing she can help them with and it's heartbreaking. >> i'm glad you're doing that. when we talk about an inflation, it feels like an abstract but hyper inflation, people rush to the store to buy everything value and they're worried the value of the currency will drop and costs will go up and that's the result. i'm looking forward to seeing more of your reporting, kerry sanders, in caracas, venezuela. you can see more of kerry's reporting tonight on "nbc nightly news." democrats unveiled new legislation to expand america's social security system and prolong its existence. it's a move to curb the rising costs in a program that hasn't changed in almost a decade. social security's meant to provide a guaranteed income to millions of americans, including retirees, disabled persons and families of dissesed workers.
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according to the national academy of insurance 169 americans pay social security taxes, 61 million collect monthly benefits and according to "the new york times," about 63 million people received a total of a trillion dollars in social security benefits last year. the number of recipients is expected to surge to $80 million in 10 years. that's just basic demographics, we're getting older. the report from the social security board of trustees said the money will be depleted by 2023 if no changes are made. my next guest is one of the democratic congressmen looking to change that, john larson, the congressman from connecticut. he said his bill is supported by more than 200 members of the house, which is just shy of the 218 vote mark needed to pass the chamber. congressman larson is the ranking member of the house ways and means committee called tax policy and social security. he joins me now. congressman, good to see you. thank you for being with us. >> good to see you, ali.
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>> talk about this problem, i'm sure you have a lot of constituents who get fed up as my viewers do, who talk about social security as intuitilement, because it's a program you pay into to give you something when you retire. >> that's the first basic understanding. you get it, social security is an insurance program. people know this because they're able to look at their pay stub, it says fica, federal insurance contribution act. whose contribution? yours. where does it go into? social security and medicare, amongst other things. but social security really hasn't been touched, nancy altman says, for 50 years. but back when tip o'neill was speaker and ronald reagan, they had a grand bargain. they didn't do everything they needed to do at that time, otherwise we wouldn't be having this conversation, but nonetheless, it's been a while since we've adjusted it. now that the democrats have taken over and i have the opportunity to chair the committee, we've introduced legislation that we introduced with more than 200 people on it, and we expect to get more.
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we're reaching out to our colleagues on the other side. we're even hopeful we'll get the president. because as you may recall, he did courageously and stadd up for social security and debate amongst 16 other republicans. >> we should -- we should have bipartisanship on this one. congressman, i want to put up on the screen what you're suggesting in this bill. the goal is to increase the average payout by 2%. i assume that means injusted for inflation. no change to age a retiree can collect benefits. raising payroll taxes from 12.4% to 14.8% over 24 years. we're talking about a gradual increase but people will have to pay more in their payroll taxes and payroll taxes imposed on earnings over $400,000 a year. i would assume the payroll tax part is where you're going to have problems with republican support on this bill. >> i think when people look, usually i have a starbucks in my hand, with all due respect to mr. schultz, usually i have a starbucks in my hand and say,
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listen, for 50 cents a week, we can solve this problem. we can solve it in a way that's common sense oriented but enhances social security. there are 5 million fellow americans that live in poverty who are on the program, including 3 million women who because they were caregivers at home and earning 77 cents for every dollar, anywhere male counterpart at the time obviously received less money. we need to address this, enhance the program, give them a cola that works and reflects their actual costs. how about this one, ali, a tax cut for working seniors. had it been indexed back in 1983 when tip and ronald reagan got together, we wouldn't be having this conversation. but we need to not only secure social security, but we have to enhance it. and we're the only bill that has an actuary report, the social security actuary, that says it's
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solvent, sustainably solvent, beyond the 75-year requirement so millennials and everybody else got to know this will be here. 10,000 baby boomers a day become eligibility for social security. that's the sense of urgency. >> congressman, why in your studying of this and your actual report did you decide not to call for an increase in the age at which people get social security? what would it do if you increased it by two years? >> because what we find happening is so many people who are trying to get into social security, the phenomena of more and more people finding the older they get, the more expensive they get to be carried on someone's payroll, they get dropped off. when you add to that disability as well, we're finding that the most essential thing that we can do is make sure that we make the system solvent, accessible, and enhance it in a way that is going to take care of fellow americans. >> congressman, what's the big issue, the people coming of age
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to get social security or the fact that we're healthier and live longer and people need to draw on it for longer? >> i think it's both, but it becomes -- first of all, you cannot live on a annuity but you can outlive social security. that's important. we want to make sure it's insurance that's there for every american. we're going to be able to work through this. we have a lot of interest. we have no republicans signed up yet but we have an awful lot of interest in making sure because they look out especially in rural america and urban america and they look at their mothers, their sisters, their aunts and they understand why this is a basic need. and for a doe minute muss amount of money and for a tax on people making over $400,000, there again, they're only going to pay with someone making 50 is. >> congressman, good to talk to you as always. i always appreciate the depth in which you want to get into the issues because you know i like that, congressman john larson of connecticut. that wraps up the hour for
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