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saying this is more than aspirational, it is achievement. there you have it, ending on some good news today. that will what happen things up for me this hour, ali velshi is back in new york. >> there is an emptiness to you not being in the tuesday owe. >> i do miss you. it is quiet and i don't get to share in person, my big news, chb is that i met gritty the flyers mascot today. i think my yes were googlier than his eyes. >> he represents the chaos of our time. >> i cannot stop laughing when i look at this picture. i don't know why his face just bricks me joy and terror. >> we'll see you back in person soon, have a great afternoon.
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>> a new stage in an old fight. that's what secretary of state insisted during his remarks. countries dedicated to fighting the islamic state. the united states is committed to defeating iesz. less than 24 hours ago he staid is just remnants, it is the right time to bring our soldiers back home, instead, the president is concerns with sending troops to is a crisis that his leaders didn't even name in his assessment report. the southern border, the pentagon is moving 250 active troops to a border crossing.
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kelly, not en 24 hours after the state of the union, a lot of feed back from that and now this discussion about seuisis. >> the president has talked about not wanting permanent wars. at the same time, he is urging coalition parer ins like nato to pay more and do more. so the president believes this idea of pulling back from certain fights is in line with what he told the country. he dismisses some of the concerned raised by those worried about a void of american leadership and a chance for reconstituting some of these threats. today they say this is not a strategy change but an interval in time where there is a tactical shift. here is the secretary. >> the draw down of troops is essentially a tactical change, not a change in the mission. it does not change the
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structure, the design, the authorities on which the campaign has been based. it is simply representing a new stage in an old fight. we ask that our coalition partners -- we must reaffirm our support. >> it was the fist time he went to the war zone. he is arguing in a the u.s. is nimble enough to go and come back as needed if circumstances on the ground change. that is something that others karg with and it is the president's call to make on these things and he seems to be rebuffing some that view the situation on the ground differently than he does. >> the president also talking about the house -- the
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congressman adam schiff. >> yes, reporters were present and they asked about steps that the house committee on the intelligence is taking and the president that tweeted about and talked about him were dismiss i have of him. here is what he sad to say. >> your speech last night, you spoke about ridiculous political investigations, and this morning adam schiff said he would launch a deep investigation on -- >> did you say adam schiff. okay -- >> never heard of him, that would not be partisan, would it? >> on your personal financial transactions. >> he has no basis to do that. she a political hack trying to
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build a name for himself. that's what they do, but there would be no reason to do that. no other politician has to go through that. it hurts our country. >> and the label has placed on the investigation, perhaps presidential harassment is what we will hear for the democratic powers new to their control of congress. the administration is okay with oversight, but the m.d. made clear that he doesn't like the idea of investigations, especially the kind that are unfair to him in some way. >> intelligence officials tell nbc news that president trump is not regularly reading his intelligence briefingings. he has been to 17 briefings in
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the 85 days and he does not regularly read the written briefing sent to him every day. even about the president's deally briefing he added that investigation changing on a daily or hourly basis. if they turn this into a president's monthly brief he will miscritical information needed for sound decisions. so what is the president's daily briefing and what j is this so important in it contains some of the nation's most sentive ngs. it is a high level of information and analysis on national security issues. and given the sensitive nature of the briefings, they remain classified. he issi relying on oral briefin,
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but the home work that past presidents have done to familiarize themselves, makes him and the country more as a rule shl. joining me now ken dilanian. ken, there has been bits of this story coming out for some time. we certainly know for well over a year that the president needs things presented in an easier way. but this is an alarming twist. he wants information a certain way, not information that is counter to his narrative, and to some degree he is just disinterested. >> the president is the first
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customer, the pomost classified unique investigation for the president. it is for him to make decisions. so we knew he wasn't reading it. as you said they reported that a year ago. now we're finding from the recently leaked schedules he has had 17 briefings in 85 days. he is not availing himself of this informs gaation gatoring apparatus. it is very difficult to convince him when he is wrong and when they want to show him they established something, russian election interference, if he doesn't want to believe it, he requires the kind of ironclad proof you don't normally see. intelligence is about
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assessments and he doesn't ahere to grasp that. >> malcolm i want to ask you according to the nbc report, u.s. officials tell nbc news it is extremely difficult for them to dissuade him even if they have a mountain of evidence, and when they doubt something he is telling them, he requires proof of a type usually unavailable. intelligence working on consensus, on getting to a level of certainty. i have heard you describe these, he seems to have a different view of the standard that intelligence needs to immediafoo take it seriously. >> he doesn't believe in the nejts process, but he thinks these agencies are partisan ogss designed to impact him
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personally. he also lived in a fact free world. he needs this information that he takes in from people that he trusts. that is not how the intelligence process for the president of the united states is done. i was a collector my entire career. i processed information that went forward, that was analyzed, they called the president, and that requires the consumer, the president of the united states, to believe and trust in the assessments as they are presented to him. it is like watching the stock market day, every minute of your life, and know where the general trends and spikes are. what is good, what is bad. imagine not washing the stock market for six months and trying to make decisions that are life, death, or financial based on your gut feelings about what maybe you heard in that six
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months bug months but ignoring the wall street ticker tape. to the sdree that the stock market does things they don't like it to do every and president has to get information from their intention peoplligen how is this going to be the case? he can't only get information that fits his story. >> it is the ground truth as we see it as ken said with 80 billion a year, hundreds of shows of people. if someone penetrates u.s. air space, you can't say you don't like it because your friend is the president of russia. it is a ground fact and donald trump does not care about the
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m minutia of intelligence. >> malcolm nance and ken dilanian, thank you. here is one of several examples, yesterday the top general overseeing the middle east testified that the president did not consult with him before announcing the decision to pull troops out of syria. this is the man that oversees american involvement in the middle east. trump reemphasized his decision last night. >> when i took office, isis controlled more than 20,000 square miles in iraq and syria just two years ago. today we have
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tually all of the terrorists. >> the center for strategic and international studies, an average of 75 attacks per month in 2018. in the worldwide threat assessment. they concluded they demand thousands. more than a dozen networks, thousands of supporters in the world, in addition that, donald trump's intel communicatity wil pursue it against eastern adversaries. they say that isis could reclaim the same territory if there is a u.s. abscess in the region.
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there are moments still left if it, but they are disbursed. they have the capability of coming back together. >> we agree that isis is a scourge that is in syria and iraq and it could resurge if not addressed. >> i do agree. >> that is the top military person saying he does agree. this is really, really important. there was a pentagon report that isis is intent on reconstituting a terrorism calpiphate. the opposition to the president's decision could not be more apparent by the resignation of both his defense secretary and the coalition.
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joining me to discuss this is evelyn farcus. she is now a senior fellow at the german marshall fund. joining me now is steve clemmons. let me start with you. i think there can be disagreement about the best way to defeat isis and groups that are like it that may come after it, but there is no disagreement about the fact that constant shifting types of military and intelligence pressure are why we have seen the elimination of the territorial control of isis. they are not just gone away and never coming back. >> no, we disrupted their oil money flows, they were taking antic kan
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tiquiti serks. we have seen an ability to morph into something that is more scary in a way, where their adherence can slip back in, flow back into some of the home states they came from. you and i both know the center that has done a lot of work looking at foreign fighters and where they have come from. and we're talking about ike and syria like they're the only two areas. there is a lot of areas where isis is alive and well. isis is not gone by any means and they have become more sophisticated in their ability to continue to operate and send command and control mess ans. but donald trump has taken the foot off of the neck, if you will, in some of those obviously places around iraq and syria,
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and i think general voters are worried about a bounce back. >> in 17 years we learned that if you take a foot off of the neck, that is a beast that grows back. the president is at odds with his intelligence community, he treats iran as a much greater threat than his intelligence community does, and he seems to treat north korea as less of an security team does. >> right, the intelligence community was unanimous saying they concluded it under the obama administration. they have frozen their nuclear weapons program. and the intelligence community was unanimous that the number one threat to the united states right now was the rise of great powers, russia first and fo
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foremo foremost, and followed after that by china. i think there is more we can do there with china. russia wants to attack america's democracy and make us week. second on the issue of north korea, this is appalling. we just had, this was not covered much in the media, but a report was leaked, a u.n. report about how the sanctions are doing nothing to detert the north koreans. they're getting petrolian, coal, selling their arms. western companies it looks like they're unwitting assistance. but the bottom line is that the north koreans are getting money. and we heard from another intelligence community recently, they do not believe they want to give up their nuclear weapons. >> let me just talk about
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something we heard from the president where he talked again about isis and teased that he will announce something next week, listen to this. >> the united states military, our coalition partners, and the syrian democratic forces have liberated virtually all of the territory previously held by isis, syria, and iraq. it should be formally announced some time, probably next week, that we will have 100% of the caliphate. but i want to wait for the official word, i don't want to say it too early. we had victory after victory after victory. >> he says there will be tiny remnants left, but they can still be dangerous. i don't know what that was, was he responding to criticism that he has to stop saying it is not a threat or that he doesn't
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really understand it. it is pretty close to the mission accomplished banner. he has nations assembled. they all knew a guy, they knew the coordinator in the presidential envoy who is assigned to create a global coalition against isis. this is a guy the president never met. he, i think that the president is basically floundering and trying to be caution that she in a terrain that he opportunity know very well saying that size is done, but it's not. >> i don't understand why the temptation is there for some of that. steve clemmons, washington editor at large. as we stair down tre down the py
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of another government shut down, it is the president's insistence for a border wall that could be the tipping point again. surprisingly, some of those very workers are willing to give up their paychecks again in the fight for a wall. >> the president is is asking for money to take care of illegal immigration, i would absolutely take time out without a paycheck to support that wall. . ♪ ♪
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breaking news, the woman that accused the virginia lieutenant governor of sexually assaulting her in 2004 just released a statement describing the event. she say in part that it has been extremely difficult to relive that traumatic experience from 2004. mr. fairfax tried to brand me as a liar and threatened litigation. given his false assertions i'm going to maketure what happened. i want to resume my life as an
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academic and professor. the lieutenant governor denies the allegations. joining me now is hans nichols. >> we have nod heard from justin fairfax about what happened. going into graphic detail about what happened in july of 2004 of the democratic national convention in a boston hotel room. it was prepared with health of legal advice. one of the lawyers that presented kristine blasey ford. the governor of the state of idea admitted to being in a picture with a individual in blackface and a individual in a
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kkk gown. he said there was some emotional responses earlier in the week and he said all victims have a right to be heard. >> and we have been talking about the lieutenant governor, but the three top lawmakers are facing some sort of scandal. >> the latest came this morning and he said that he issued a statement that when he was 19 years old, he appeared in blackface. he also talked to members of the black caucus here and explained that it was a contrite letter from him saying he moved on. we don't know if a photo of that black face exists. he admitted to appearing in black face. that is where we are in this story. it is momming fast, three
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democrats all part of of it here, it would all fall to the speaker of the house, he is a speaker by a one vote majority. >> during last night's state of the union, the president took a swipe at partisan investigations. >> an economic miracle is taking place in the united states and the only thing that can stop is is foolish wars, politics, or ridiculous partisan investigations. if there is going to be peat and legislation there cannot be war and investigation. it just doesn't work that way. >> that moment is drawing comparisons to president richard nixon's call for the end of watergate. today they voted to send witness
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interview transcripts from his own russian investigation to special council robert mueller. mueller cannot pursue perjury charges. transcripti transcripts are those of jared kushner, alexander nicks, hope hicks, and corey lewendouwski. senator, thank you for being with us. this is an important development. people can't lie to congress, but for this to be involvemented in the current location, they have to get those transcriptions that would puddle some people. >> yeah, i think it is very important that every investigation that deals
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especially with what happened in the 2016 election being completed, and whether or not that is oversight provided by the house, or the special council's investigation, these are to be completed and they have to be completed based on a full record. >> it was kind of interesting when the president said that last night. he was trying to make something stand out but it didn't make sense. the idea that you can't have prosperity without investigations. the role in congress is overnight. the role of it is to pursue investigations. the stock market and the economy has been doing fine. so investors didn't seem to care. the president seemed to be making an association that wasn't logical. >> i think it might be worse
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than that. it is based upon, not based on anything in terms of the record in terms of how you evaluate the government, but holding officials accountable, completing investigations, the only one that sbints that that is the president. i think it was a deliberate attack. that is deliberately misleading. the only person that benefits from that is donald trump. >> we just ran a bit of worker, gof government worker who said i'm good to give up my pay to get the wall built, that is not something that we have heard a lot of for most of these
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workers. most people say i need to be paid for the work i do. >> 820,000 federal employees affected by this, a lot of them like monica hughs that was at the state of the union, she was working without pay because she has a job that is essential, and she was going to work doing her job every day. the president should take this off of the table, no more shut downs, he should go further than that and say that as president of the united states i will take action to make sure they get their back pay and that they are made whole, the employees and the contractors. that is what you call leadership. leadership in a difficult time for the country. instead he ignored the shut down completely instead of taking it off of the table he somehow believes that by holding this over people's heads it increases his leverage.
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it does not do that by the way, but if it did, it is irresponsible as the leader of the free world and the country to take hostages like federal employees and contractors. >> those contractors, possibly more than a million of them, that will not get their pay. these are, for everyone that carries on about the government, the employees of the united states government don't tent to be the fat cats that we think they are. >> they make the country run and the president should lead the country in a manner that is affirm affirmative, not talking down and trashing the negotiations under way. and they came to a agreement and we got an incession in education
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and more. so they can come to a deal and i'm hoping they will. >> senator, good to talk to you, thank you for joining me. up next, live in venezuela where maduro is blocking aide from coming into the country. aide fm coming into the country. but when it comes to colon cancer screening... i'm not doin' that. i eat plenty of kale. ahem, as i was saying... ...with cologuard, you don't need an excuse... all that prep? no thanks. that drink tastes horrible! but...there's no prep with cologuard... i can't take the time off work. who has two days? and i feel fine - no symptoms! everybody, listen! all you need is a trip to the bathroom. if you're 50 or older and at average risk, cologuard is the noninvasive option that finds 92% of colon cancers. you just get the kit in the mail, go to the bathroom, collect your sample, then ship it to the lab!
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nicholas maduro who refuses to step down is rejecting international aide making it impossible for families to access essential medicine and food items when venezuela is seeing hyper inflation, shortages, and people are desperate for help. mike pompeo tweeted out this image of the military blocking aide from coming into the country. he writes "let the aide reach the starving people." a >> and claims of vote rigging in the last election. let's go now to kerry sanders who is on the ground in caracas, kerry? ali, this is really a stand off now between maduro and the united states. among the items tweeted today
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are pictures of that u.s. aide that you see here from the state department. the pictures showing the aide that cannot get across the border because of that blockade that is now placed on the bridges between columbia where the aide is and venezuela where there is such a sbrat need. that is what some of those waiting for the food and medicine had to say. >> so let me give you an idea, if i hay here, of what the hyper inflation is like here for the folks that live here. fist we will pull out a little bit and i will show you, if you had the monthly salary of
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18,000, you would buy soda, bread, cheese, and low quality ham. that's what you could buy with one month's salary. so we today took $200 u.s. dollars, to convert them to the local currency, which you get an idea here. this is about $6 right there. so folks can barely even carry the money if they can even get the money, to buy what they need. and of course getting money, again, is a real problem because this is a socialist country. you get 18,000 bolivars a month. people here are subsisting on very difficult situations because, well, even converting the money you can see is bulky, but getting the money is
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difficult. >> if you could ask your photographer to pull out more so we could get a pull picture of that money, let's see, that is great. and everything gets more expensive, and the problem is -- >> i have a better picture of it now nap is perfect, here is the problem, kerry. this makes people not understand why world leaders are doing this. they see this remarkable inflation. for most people that live in any country the ablility to afford food and medical supplies and basics are really important. if this continues, what happens in venezuela. >> it is predicted that the inflation rate, ali, will go to 10 million percent. what happens is that it leads to
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potentially anarchy. they take everything in their own hands. there is a military here, the kids don't have medicine they need or the other patients, when you start seeing desperation set in, sometimes as we have seen in other parts of the world, it is parts of the military that is suffering and the general sense here is that today, form in the coming days, that those who are up on the border will walk across that bridge. they will dobdge the blockade, get that u.s. aide food and bring it back and they believe coming back the soldiers will not point their guns at them, arrest them, not attempt to stop them because it is believed
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here, by one side at least, that those soldiers are just as desperate for food and medicine themselves. it is playing out in realtime with desperate people that need food, need a life, and quite frankly say they're not sure what their future is and they have been playing this out for so long that the proclamation that he is now the president is that he is giving people hope that having to fund money like this and go to a store to buy craziness will go to an end. >> i appreciate you trying to show us what this is. people cannot get their food and medications and it will get worse. carry, i appreciate that for you.
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all right, in case anyone is -- >> i want to point out to you if i can, the exchange rate. >> go ahead. >> i was going to say the exchange rate yesterday was 2300 to $1, today it is 2600, that is the exclamation point how hyper inflation does that. >> all right, kerry sanders, thank you for that. if anyone is doubting whether or not we're in the thick of climate change. the last four years were the warmest on record and 2018 was the fourth hottest year ever recorded. 2019 is expected to be even hotter. the wmo analysis adds to decades of analysis that forest clearing and the burning of fossil fuels
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massachusetts senator elizabeth warren addressing her referring to herself of neetive american. my apology is for not being more sensitive to tribal citizenship. >> do will people react to this. >> i'm sure people will have answers. this is from the heart. my family, my brothers, and it is about an apology from the heart. an apology for not being more
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sensitive to trial citizenship and tribal sovereignty. >> have you considered dropping out of that was elizabeth warren, massachusetts senator running for president, apologizing for having used a reference to her being of native american ancestry on an application. and, of course, other times when she has made references to that as her ancestry, saying she understands tribal identity is a matter for tribes to determine. as democrats sound off on the president's state of the union address, the race to take him on in 2020, donald trump in 2020 is under way. on tuesday beto o'rourke sat down with oprah winfrey. let's listen to a little bit of it. >> by god, when are you going to know the answer? by god!
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we get amy and ulysses, the whole family together. have you given yourself a deadline? i'm serious about that. >> and the serious answer is really soon, is really soon, before the end of this month. >> the clock is ticking. beta would join a slew of other democratics that already announced their bids. joining me senior politics editor beth buoy and sir michael singleton, former deputy chief of staff of the department of the housing urban development, who worked on the campaigns of mitt romney, ben carson and newt gingrich. good to see you both. put beto o'rourke into the context of the field we were showing pictures of and how he would distinguish himself. >> sure, we were talking about the three bs who have yet to tell us what they're doing, beto, bernie and biden and if you want a fourth billionaire, perhaps michael bloomberg can get in. we don't know about biden.
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bernie will probably get in the next couple of weeks. beto at the oprah show did come as a bit of a surprise for a lot of people. he really did lay low the last couple of months. >> on a listening tour. >> he said he had been in a funk after losing the senate bid. as his light dimmed, other people got in the race. elizabeth warren, who we saw before, kristen gillibrand, pamepam kamala harris. and yesterday stepped out there and to me leaned into the idea he would probably get in the race. he sounded really excited. he was excited. he said the one thing he's waiting on is to give his family fully on board. the they they have three small kids. >> and you're on the road so long, you have to have an understanding. >> sure, and in their hometown of el paso.
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>> from the perspective of a republican, what does a guy like beto o'rourke do to this race in terms of attracting conservatives or moderates? >> i don't think he's going to have a chance of bringing folks who are sort of the on the far right of the republican party. perhaps there may be moderates who may be open to some of his positions particularly as it relates to the border and immigration. he does currently represent an area far south in texas. but i actually think if i were advising him, i would seriously advise him to take into consideration running again for senate against ted cruz in 2020. he didn't lose by a very large margin, ali. and also keep in mind republicans have 22 senate seats up for re-election in 2020. democrats have far less. i think as things currently stand democrats will begin to shift their attention not only to their 2020 presidential candidates but also some of those senate seats that are more
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vulnerable that they believe they can pick up and i think beto o'rourke would be eye prime target to run again and potentially beat ted cruz. >> hang on a second, i want to head back to capitol hill where elizabeth warren just spoke, garrett haake, and the comments she made. this seemed to be an apology tour all day for elizabeth warren. what's going on? >> ali, it's really striking the degree to which this issue about her native american heritage or lack thereof has become the single issue swirling around elizabeth warren. it had threatened to perhaps overcome her campaign that she's been running over here in the last month or so. and today she came before the cameras and gave her most complete explanation and most complete apology to date. here's what she told us. >> i am sorry that i extended confusion about tribal citizenship and tribal
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sovereignty, and for harm caused. i'm also sorry for not being more mindful of this decades ago. tribes and only tribes determine tribal citizenship. i had a good conversation with chief baker. he was very gracious. and we continue to talk about issues and continue to work on issues that matter deeply to indian country. i grew up believing with my brothers, this is our family's story. and it's all consistent from that point in time. but as i said, it's important to note, i'm not a tribal citizen, and i should have been more mindful. >> i asked warren about the criticism she's received on this issue, the idea she had listed herself as an american indian and native american to get
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ahead. she denied that outright, pointing to the reporting of "the boston globe" that this is not something that helped her professionally and she believed very much at the time she was writing something that was true, not and issue to get ahead. i don't know if that will be enough politically to put this issue behind her but it's very clear warren and her senate staff and campaign staff felt that this was something they had to address forthrightly, that the dna test, the video, the ways in which they have tried to talk about this issue before, just weren't going to cut it, ali. they needed to do something more complete, and in this case, a complete maya cuea culpa. >> this is something that seemed to be an aside, donald trump caught on to it, called her pocahontas many times, and it sort of started to unravel. does this now look like something that gets in the way of elizabeth warren and her
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political ambitions? >> yeah, it's pretty serious. remember back when she was first running for senate in massachusetts, this issue bubbled up a bit. her campaign, her team, those around her did a pretty good job of sort of pushing it down and not making it a big issue at the time. it was raised and "the boston globe" and others looked into it. when donald trump decided to make it a big issue, talking about her as pocahontas and all of that, he revived it and she took the bait and she decided to go with it. she took the dna test, which backfired on her. and now news organizations have started to look into her past documents that she signed, the one that garrett referred to was at application for the texas state bar where she in her own handwriting called herself native american. chances are we might see others of those. >> nobody could articulate what she stood to gain from this. there's allegations she gained by virtue of affirmative action. but in the cases people have seen, there's no likely --
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>> as garrett reported, that's been the case. there's no evidence she was able to get ahead in academic jobs or politics because of this claiming this heritage. on the other hand, if people are looking for somebody who's going to beat donald trump, the last thing you want is to give them a big, fat target for donald trump to hit out of the park. which right now that feels like what's kind of going on. she could get past this, but this certainly puts her in a situation where she's apologizing for something that it doesn't seem she's going to completely be able to put behind her any time soon. >> sir michael, in the grand scheme of things, i do understand why people care about this. do you care? >> i personally don't care but, ali, it's far too soon to be making these type of mistakes. i want to go back to something really quickly i said earlier, specifically relating to beto owe wo o'rourke, to add more specificity to my previous statement. if you think about texas and geographic trends there as the state moves in a purple
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direction, i think beto would be a prime candidate to run against ted cruz. but to move back to elizabeth warren, i think as democrats attempt to distinguish themselves from other candidates, it's going to be very, very difficult for her to articulate a message she is someone voters can trust. it took her a very long time to become transparent about this. again, when you think about someone who can ultimately run against donald trump and win back some of the voters that donald trump was able to take away that voted for president obama in the first or second term, she's going to have a very difficult chance, i would argue, to be able to create a message that would convince those people she's a better option than trump. >> thank you, both. schmeichel is a republican political consultant and host of "considerate" on fox and garrett haake on capitol hill. that wraps up this busy hour for me. thank you for watching. "deadline: white house" with nicolle wallace starts right now. hi, everyone, it's 4:00 in
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new york, and the state of the investigations into whether donald trump is bought and paid for by foreign interests is just getting started. house intel committee chairman adam shift announcing today his committee will widen its probe into the president in order to, quote, allow us to investigate any credible allegation, financial interests or other interests are driving decision-making of the president or anyone in the administration. and quote, that pertains to any credible allegations of leverage by the russians or the saudis or anyone else. schiff made the statements as the committee voted to turn over to robert mueller the transcripts of more than 50 witnesses so that the special counsel could check those transcripts against other transcripts and other evidence and determine if any witnesses lied to congress. to date, two trump confidantes have already been charged with lying to congress. presidential fixer michael cohen, whose t


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