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the pedestal -- and the bully never tires. what most fear, what most thursday americans, those daring to run against him is a passion stronger than political survivor and that's "hardball" for now. "all in" with chris hayes starts. tonight on "all in." >> year not going to be intimidated by the president. >> as the president complains. >> it's called presidential harassment. >> tonight houses democrats announce a sweeping probe of the president's finances and russia as they hand over troves of transcripts of russia. new reporting on the federal investigation on the trump inaugural committee. plus fire from democrats on gun safety, climate change and voting rights. >> this is the united states of america. >> and as the contversy in
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virginia explodes, castro on the standard of leadership in the democratic party. and "all in" starts right now. good evening from new york, i'm chris hayes. in his typical gangster movie style said they quit investigation. and there was one part that stood out. >> an economic miracle is taking place in the united states and the only thing that can stop it are foolish wars, politics, or ridiculous partisan investigations. if there is going to be peace and legislation, there cannot be war and investigation. it just doesn't work that way. >> see, it rhymes. but instead of heathing the
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president's warning, the new chairman, adam schiff announced he is restarting and expanding that committee's russia probe. today schiff laid out frooiv areas of investigation. russia's ongoing efforts to influence u.s. blitical process, any links or coordination between russia and trump associates. three, whether any foreign actors holds leverage -- four, whether trump or associates have vulnerable to foreign pressure and five whether they've tried to impede in these matters. the president was asked about the plan. >> adam schiff says he was going to launch a deep investigation -- >> you say adam schiff? >> adam schiff -- >> never heard of him. that would be partisan, would it? would that be partisan? >> not only russia, but russian transactions.
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>> on what basis would he do that? he has no basis to do that. he's just a political hack who's trying to build a name for himself and i think that's fine because that's what they do but no other politician has to go through that. it's called presidential harassment. >> schiff responded on twitter i can understand why the idea of meaningful oversight terrifies the president. several of his close associates are going to jail, others await trial and criminal investigations continue. we won't be destraktd from investigating. and the house intelligence committee voted to release dozens of transcripts from witness interviews to special counsel mueller. all in all over 7,000 pages of testimony. mueller has already charged his former lawyer, cohen and his long-time political advisor, roger stone with lying in congressional testimony and now another key witnesses could be expose fd they lied.
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including the president's son, son in law, first attorney general, first senior advisor and the manager of his reelection campaign. but it's not just mueller, he besieged by investigations on all sides. the latest front, his inaugural committee which just resooved a subpoena this week from federal prosecutors in new york. that's the same office that already flipped michael cohen and krulsy implicated the president himself in open court in black and white in skoert filings in the can commission of a felony. according to another report that same office has requested interviews with executives that trump organization. later this week we'll get the first public testimony from high profile witness, that would be acting attorney general, matd matt whitaker. my next guest is a democratic member of the house judiciary
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committee, chair of the black caucus who was in attendance last night. how do you understand the line about war and the investigation? what was he saying? >> well with, i think he was essentially threatening that if we were going to move forward and do our responsibility as mes of congress, that he was not going to cooperate with any legislation. it was another juvenile response and clearly an example of the fact that after two years in the job, he still doesn't understand that we are a co equal branch of government and that one of our primary responsibilities is oversight of his administration. the problem, chris, is that for the last two years he's had no oversight. so he thinks we're harassing him when actually we're doing our job. >> matt whitaker is said to testify on friday i believe, if i'm not mistaken. what are you expecting there?
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this is someone who sr the most powerful law enforcement in united states of america. the subject of multi. lawsuits and his tennier. >> one of the things we want to know is is he willing and committed to doing his job? so if he's committed doing his job, he needs to recuse himself because remember he was on the air talkic for months and months before he got the position the doj that he did not believe a president could be indicted. etc. and also didn't believe that the mueller investigation made a lot of sense. so the question is until we have a perm nnlt attorney jennererge will this attorney general follow the law? >> are you confident a, the president has not interfered with him? there's reporting he berated him after one of the michael cohen filings.
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and there's questions about whether he has exercised any undue influence down the line, whether that's the mueller probe of the southern district. >> i don't have an ounce of con23dance. i real a don't. i dont know why we wouldx pect he would. one thing about the president is if you attempt to do your job as a member of the cabinet, he beerates you publicly. he talks about you, calls you names, etc. and he's been radio silent about this guy and that's one of the reasons why we would like to come before the committee. >> that's interesting. you think the lack of rage tweeting about attorn ageneral whitaker is essentially a tell that whitaker is doing his bidding? isn't that his pattern? again, he still thinks he's running a company. he is supposed to be running a government, which means the people that work around him, you
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know they're head of the justice department works for the united states. it's not his personal law firm and that's what he struggles with. he struggles with the basic understanding of his job and everything we've been told about him, we know he doesn't read. we know he believes he has the best opinion, we know he doesn't need falkts. and given that, hoohas struggled to understand what his job is. >> thank you so much for making a little time tonight. more on one of the investigations, i'm joined by former u.s. attorney for the southern district of california. whoall soserved as superior court judge in san diego. and a former federal prosecutor. carol,let moo start with you on what we're hearing out the southern district. it is independent and parallel to the mueller probe but also that is a faums part of the american justice system, they call it the sovereign district.
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as someone who ran a u.s. attorney's office, what happened as they're undergoing this? >> i'm sure there's drama of own going on in the justice department. but an important thing to remember is evidence obtained from any u.s. attorney's office, chris, can be share would the special counsel. so what we do know from the fact a subpoena was issued in the southern district of new york is they believe they have venue and reason to be investigating the inaugural committee and the funds received. but they can share that evidence with any other u.s. attorney's office or the special counsel. and vice versa. so i think there are lots of negotiations and discussions taking place within the department of justice with the special counsels to who going to be handling which parts of investigations but it doesn't necessarily signal where certain charges will be brought at the end of the day.
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>> the house intel transcripts were released to mueller as chairman schiff promised. steve bannon, brad parscale. what kind legal issues andx poegser arise for those individuals now? >> well, the first thing taknow is mueller probably already has transcripts. he doesn't have the transcripts that are formalized and the seal from the house. it's not like mueller's office is sitting up all night long going oh, my goodness high said that? they know exactly what's in the transcripts. so that's number one and it all meshes together. not only is there the legal question about the possible perjury because adam schiff has already said he thinks don jr. did not tell the truth in that hearing. but at the same time the house committee is going to call back people that basically stiff armed them. remember steve bannon went in
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and claimed executive privilege, which is not his to claim, its to the be claimed by the president. was wishy washy. executive privilege when trump wasn't even the executive. maybe it was waved because high already told all this stuff to michael wolf and the whole thing was a wishy washy mesh and the republicans would never take it seriously and do anything about the wish a washy executive privilege. so all the planerates aligning to try now to get a real answer to what happened during the campaign regarding the russian involvement and what happened during the transition and the inaugural. >> let me ask you this. in your experience we've seen mueller now either get pleas or charge i think five people at least for false statements. it has been a recuring theme. rick gatsz, papadopoulos, roger
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cohen, roger stone. all those people who gave false statements. is that typical? or what do you make of his use of the prosecutorial tool in this investigation? >> i can't say it's typical to have that many people in a single investigation being charge would with plaking false statements or obstructing justice. that does seem highly unusual. i don't know if it's so much a tool as it could be also the special counsel simply saying you know, these are relatively easy charges for him to bring and he might be saying you know, this is what i'm going to charge you with at this point in time. it's not going to necessarily mean i'm not going to charge you with something in the future. but it does set the table and he can move on to other things and then revisit other charges later if he wants to.
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>> as i look at the people, if you want to put those back up, the transcripts released to mueller. don jr. being the most central in all of this. this is a group of people that in the public record has had some trouble with the truth. jeff sessions did not tell the truth under oath in his nomination hearing about meeting with russians. jaured kushner's had to refile his 86 form dozens of times. and independent of the russians, seems like they might have a little bit of an issue. >> schiff has already said don jr. has an issue. and also there's something offensive that's inspirational for prosecutors when people so blatantly lie and it's almost taunting. it's almost like you think we're stupid. the adoption game and the creating the fake story to the
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"new york times" by the president and what you don't want to do is insult people so much that it inspires them to go these are the easy charges. how could you think i'm so stupid i'm going to believe that? and there's some of that going on here. sglrls that's really interesting. thank you both. the investigation into the president's inaugural committee takes a serious turn. ne next the confidential memo that he was trying to monetize his connection with the president. connection with the president. e high blood pressure and need cold medicine that works fast, the choice is simple. coricidin hbp is the #1 brand that gives powerful cold symptom relief without raising your blood pressure. coricidin hbp.
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the do do their own investigations, federal proskurtz are not slowing down. we know the southern district of new york is probing the trump inaugural committee and how they raised over $1 million. they raised way more money than any inaugural committee ever in history.
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look at that bar chart there. it's been accounting for that money extremely shotally and weirdly, if at all. here's the man who ran george w bush's second inaugural committee trying to make sense of it. >> my best understanding is we we put on four times as many events and three times as many staffers as they did and those are by far the two largest expenditures. so in today's dollars i think what we raised comes out to be to about 54 million. so quite a bit less than what the trump inaugural kmcommittee raised. i cannot imagine where that money went. it didn't go to staff and it didn't go to events. >> where did the money go? keep in mind this is people that just won an election they weren't expecting to win and thaw were about to take the whiesz and be some of the most powerful people in the world and there were all kinds of
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activities to trade on their proximity to the united states. and a new report shows how the company run by the trump inaugural committee chairman was planning to take advantage. he's reporting part of the trump ink projict. good to have you here hoo. tom barrack and a company called colony. what was his role and colony's role? >> he's an extremely old friend of donald trump. he was an advisor in the campaign and when trump won the election, trump asked him to run the inaug yrural committee that there's still somany questions about. and he has another hat which is he was the founder of a huge investment firm called colony capital >> and the story is based on and what does that spell out? >> so this is a colony memo dated february 2017. so right after trump's sworn in and what it is is a plan
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essentially for colony to profit off its relationships with donald trump, the administration on the one hand and foreigners on the other hand. so they actually lay out in explicit terms that they want to establish a washington presence, they say we don't want the appearance of lobbying and they essentially say they're go tag put themselves in the middle of meetings and events where both the administration officials and foreigners are present and they're somehow going to profit from this. >> here's a little bit of the story. american oversight show treasury secretary mnuchin met at least three times following the inaugural. and a private room in georgetown restaurant includethal ambassadors of omon, kuwait, and the denner, tom barrack and rick gates. what's gates doing there? >> so gates also helped run the inaugural. rick gates who we now know
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pleaded guilty to lying and conspiracy charges and after the inaugural tom barrack hired him to work for colony in washington. as you said we see them having meetings with cabinet secretary and foreign officials which sounds -- and >> we never pulled the trigger. and a lot of this didn't happen. >> but this meeting happened. tlrs entire ambassadorships of the middle east and steve mnuchin. >> actually a series of meetings between colony and steve mnuchin. those are just the ones we know about. >> when you go fook all these companies were paying him these weird off book amounts of money. weird company that made planes. you start to get there sns of a little bit of a wild west
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between election day and into the early parts of the inauguration. where no one's got relationships with the trump inner circle and the people who do are open for business. >> and now that we know the inaugural is criminal investigations, this sort of puts tom barrack in a different light. it shows at least one person at his company was thinking up ways to profit off their access, essentially at the same moment of the inaugural. it's been widely reported one of the things they're interested in is whether foreigners gave mun aand whether they wanted to essentially buy influence. some of what's in the memo sounds like that. >> and there's already been a plea deal for an american that admitted to making a straw perchish on behalf of a ukrainian politician. >> foreign money made its way
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into the inaugural and money from thnonprofit inaugural woun up in trump's pockets, payments to the trump hotel, over a million dollars. the overall question of where the money went, that has not been answered. >> the "new york times" got its handlinger hand on a ledger shat punitively accounted for every dollar. but did it? >> it was good story and showed there was spending in the category of waste. >> not craft but just ridiculous was. >> but they didn't lay wrout the entire 1$100 plus million went and there's been no public accounting oof that yet. we know prosecutors asked for materials of everything that went in and out. >> there are hard red lines. like you can't take foreign money efor instance. >> and there's irs rules about self dealing.
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some of the money that went to the trump hotel, there's laws around that. >> great reporting. coming up fireworks as we get our first glimpse of democrats in power. and the powerful moment from chair elijah cummings. e powerfum chair elijah cummings. if your moderate to severe ulcerative colitis or crohn's symptoms are holding you back, and your current treatment hasn't worked well enough it may be time for a change.
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democrats are back in charge of the house after eight years of gop control and today woo saw just how much things have changed. in the wake of that 2018 was cooler only than the previous three years and that the him leahs could lose 2/3 of its
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glaciers. there were two hearings on climate change. the first the natural resources committee in nearly a decade. in the judiciary committee there was the first hearing on gun violence in eight years. though tellingly most republicans didn't bother to show up and a hearing on a new bill to make it easier to vote and an impassioned defense of voting rights from elijah cummings. >> one year ago from today at 92 years old, former share cropper, her last words were do not let them take our votes away from us. they had -- she had fought and seen people armed, beaten, trying to vote. talk about inalienable rights. voting is crucial and i don't
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give a dam how you look that. there are efforts to stop people from voting. that's not right. this is not russia. this is the united states of america. and i will fight until the death to make sure every citizen, whether they are green party, whether they're freedom party, whether they're democrat, whether they're republican, whoever. has that right to vote. because it is the essence of our democracy. and we can play around and act like it's not -- and guess what? i want to be clear. that when they look back on this moment 200 years from now that there are those of us who stood up and they'll be able to say
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they stood up and said we will defend -- they defended the right to vote. because you know what the problem is for somany people the rights are pulled away from them and then they got to put in laws to get them back. what does that mean? they cannot progresses rapidly. they cannot progresses with the rest of society. and all they're trying to do is trying to control their own destiny. >> joining me now for more on today's hearings, democratic freshman who partisz pated in a climate change and a gun violence hearing. busy day for you as a freshman. first let me start with congressman cummings. comments. what you view as the mandate of the new majority? >> thank you for having me. i think tlirlit's the core of o
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agenda. as you know chairman cummingss is eloquent and his remarks were so powerful. something that is offer often lost is we have many civil rights heroes serving in this congress. people like elijah cummings, john louis. so when you hear them speaking out with such passion and credibility on the issue it's because they were on the front line and the fact that the hearing today in oversight took place on a hr 1 speaks to how important that bill to the house democratic agenda. it is foundational in my view. >> you were in a climate hearing today, which is i think the largest threat the planet and country faces. they say we have 12 years to cut emissions in halftime. twl hasn't been a hearing in six years in one, and airgt in the upgter. >> it was a breath of fresh air.
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i believe as you do that climate chan is the defining issue of our time. i think about it as young father as i know you are. my wife and i have a six month old and the world she will inherit. when you think of last year's election, the voters spoke in a resounding way and there is no problem bigger than climate change. so the fact the natural resources committee held its first hearing and the fact that was on a climate change speaks to resolve in making progress and moving the needle on these incredible challenges we face as a country and a world. >> i want to get to the gun hearing. but to follow oup on that. i don't think mitch mcconnell is going to mov going to move a climate bill. what do you see as your role?
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>> i think first and foremost, we intend to get things done are for the american people. that bipartisan back check bill that we heard today has many republican sponsors and i think if we build enough pressure, we could get that across the finish in line in the house and senate. ultimately shining a light again on these vexing public policy chalg chgs that we face. the ulk ability to bring in scientists so we can talk about an issue like climate change is incredibly important for the american people to hear those witnesses and for us to give them that platform. >> you referred to the gun safety hearing. there are republicans on the underlying legislature. one attendee sort of has developed a reputation for himself as a bit of a troll, i think it's fire say. i don't even know if he'd disagree with the
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characterization. i want to get your reaction to what it was like. >> hr-8 would not have stoppedmany of the circumstances i raised. but a wall a barrier on the southern border may have and that's what we're fighting for. it was the fact that we have an immigration system that allows people to come here violently. we engage in -- >> there will be no comments. >> is there a process in the committee,the very same people are interrupting the time of the members, that those people will be asked to depart the committee. >> manual oliver the man you saw standing there. he lost his son in the parkland shooting. what was that atmosphere like? >> i found the remarks made by that congressman deep ladisappointing. my parents are immigrants.
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and so the notion that yet again when we're talking about an incredibly important issue like the pandemic of gun violence that you have people who then default to the demonizing rhetoric around immigrants is unfortunate and i wish they would have spent more time lis thing to stories we heard. one of the witnesses was a survivor of the parkland shooting and there wauz not dry eye in that room and i wish they'd spend more time listening to those folks than lobbying about immigration and so forth. >> of colorado. a freshman now working. the shutdown's over. you're working. you're in it. still to come as the top three officials in virginia are in scandal, the crisis of the democratic party head. of the democratic party head. (avo) life doesn't give you many
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there's an animatronic version of every president, including froivr himself. the happiest place on earth did face a back lash. there were complaints it didn't look much like him. even conspiracy that they had prepared a hillary clinton robot had to rework it. what it says is harmless enough. it's trump him sft. he wanted to inject an extra bit of trumpiness. he wanted his robotic likeness to tell disney goers that americans had invented the sky scraper and to remind them of his own career in real estate. then i can added a little which i know a thing or two of course. and disney brass objected saying americans hadn't actually invented the concept of sky scraper. it's just a taller building.
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toured a federal jail where more than 1600 inmates suffered through a week of no electricity and limited heat with temperatures outside near zero. after an out cry as this dawned on realization from activists, and outsiders and lawyers, heat was restored. there's question of what this seds about the management of federal prisons. trueing to get answers. >> i was here in the metropolitan detention center sunday morning meeting with my clients. they were locked in for virtually 24 hours. there was no heat in most of the units. my client told me that they were receiving one meal a day, off an cold meal. i heard from him and other stories of retaliation against
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people who have spoken out. people who have been attempting to communicate with the protesters outside. >> reporter: what kind of retaliation? like a physical retaliation? >> yes. >> reporter: from corrections officers? >> from corrections officers. and said there were several days where there was no water in the cells and they were laukd in the cells all day. >> you speak to some of the people there, they hadn't showered for three days. i can only imagine what it felt like when there were arctic temperatures or when it got cold and there was no heat and no lights. >> reporter: it's an emergency? >> pretend this is your house or 1600 people live there, you get fixed. the lack of urgency fl the humanity of the entire police was appalling. >> reporter: noe one seemed to care? >> there has to be an investigation of what took place and why. why are there no emergency plans for people in buildings that are incarcerated.
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>> congress has a role to play here. what happened to the emergency response plan? was this the tone set from above? we have a president that told police don't worry about being careful with the prisoners. bang their heads and these are people just been arrested. >> reporter: you think it's a trickle down from donald trump down? >> no question about it. if you believe your president has no respect and regard for communities of color or people who are incarcerated, you're going to behave in a way that is enabled by that. 23rrs. >> reporter: how much do you think the way this has been handled because we're dealing with vulnerable poor black and brown people mostly? >> i think that's real a what it boils down to. the top class does not value black and brown lives, how do we expect people underneath him to do the same? >> even in the previous system we see the disparity. we see so-called white collar criminals go the minimum
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security facilities that look like country clubs with fences around them. we come here and see a facility denying 1600, altmost 2,000 people the very basics for human survival. thrs difference clear lais race. the difference clearly is class and the priorities set by the administration to care for these people is reflective of how they see us. >> we reached out to the federal bureau prisons to get access inside the facility and asked for an interview and instead they released a statement saw office of inspkter general should in the take a review of this matter to determ fn the bureau of prisons responded appropriately. the man who runs the justice department will go before an oversight committee this friday and the chair of the committee just so happens to be nadler who toured the facility this weekend and was outside with the protesters. i would say whitaker should come prepare would answers. y whitakee
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political chaos in virginia today where ralph northam has still not heeded calls to resign from fellow democrats after the discovery of that racist yearbook image. and then today a woman named vanessa tyson, political science professor came forward to accuse the 39-year-old african american lieutenant governor justin fairfax of sexual assault back in 2004. he denies that accusation, says the encounter was consensual. fairfax would be the next in line should northam resign. and should fairfax decline to ascend, the next in line would be the next attorney general mark herring, who today released his own hearing admitting to dressing in black face while in college. virginia is painfully struggling in realtime to what it means to be truly a party of gender equity and is the standards it sets for elected officials in the party itself. joining me now, the first democratic presidential candidate to call for northam to resign, julian castro. great to have you here.
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>> good to be here. >> you were first out of the gate when the image came forward. are you comfortable with the call you made? >> oh, yeah, i am comfortable with it. just so you know how i made it, first of all, we had somebody who did this when he was a medical school student. this was not somebody who was 15 years old. it was in 1984. so we're not talking about 50 or 60 years ago. and also, to me one of the significant things was he did not come forward affirmatively. somebody did this research and brought this forward. >> right. >> if he had come forward and said look, i messed up, you know, and i've learned since then, that might have been different. but those are the things that i thought about. i think maybe the most important thing is -- and you alluded to this a second ago, that the party is struggling through this, we are the party that respects everybody and that says that everybody counts. and we're trying to live by that example. this is part of that. and this could be painful. we've had instances over the last couple of years that have
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been painful, that have been messy. but i am confident that at the end of the day what we're going have is not only a stronger democratic party, more importantly, we're going to have a stronger country that lives by the values of respect for this country. >> arguments i hear from folks and the democratic party and democratic base here. they're not necessarily what i believe. i think it's a complicated situation. i hear from folks all the time, al franken, who are angry about what happened to al franken, things that shouldn't have happened, it's unfair and look who is the president of the united states. what is your feeling about that? >> number one, i would say that we always have to take these things on a case-by-case basis. >> right. >> but you have to lock at the evidence you have in front you have. in this case of northam he acknowledged on friday that that -- basically acknowledged that was him. >> although he seemed to have moon walked that back. >> you know, said something different.
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when they did this, how they did it, all of that matters. i guess in some of the critique, what i do hear and i understand is that people saying look, for a long time, when claims like this came forward, the problem was that nobody took them seriously. >> right. >> right. there was this culture of dismissing them that was wrong. what they say is we understand now. they shouldn't be dismissed. they should be taken seriously. but we need some way of figuring out a process of figuring out when should somebody resign, when do we act and when do we not. and to be honest -- >> do you feel you have that figured out? like in the case of justin fairfax, do you have an opinion? >> do i have all of that figured out? no, i don't. i think that your description is accurate, that right now we are -- we are going through this process. i don't know if i would only say struggling, but i would say thinking through how we do that.
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i read through dr. tyson's statement. i'm inclined to believe her statement. i believe that it's credible. now, he has denied that. my hope is there will be some process to get to the bottom of that. he has said now he is saying he takes it seriously. i think that we should all take it seriously. and, you know, if -- if we don't take these claims seriously, then we're going back to this time when in every workplace in america they can be dismissed. >> yeah. >> we cannot go back to that place. >> one of the other things i hear, and people have e-mailed me a lot who have been watching the virginia story unfold, but also other things, this kind of time warp discomfort people have, right. what did you do when you were 21 or 25? and if that came out, you wanted to are your life destroyed about
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that. is there a -- do you think of things in terms of statute of limitations? do you think of it in terms of your own life? did you run through in your head as you were preparing to run for president what have i done? >> i think everybody does that. nobody is perfect. inall of us at different points have done things you have to go back and think. also because i think it's fair to say -- >> do you want to tell me what those things are? >> i'm sure the book is there. it's there, chris. no, to be clear, i have not dressed up in black face. >> right. >> i have not harassed individuals. but this is an opportunity for all of us to demonstrate that we take claims seriously, and also, i think to get to a point where we understand how to handle, seriously handle these claims and ensure that there is fairness and justice in the end.
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the other thing i would say, and this came up in the northam conversation is that it's -- it's different to forgive, accept and forgive an apology and for somebody to stay in a position of trust and authority. >> you mean, the distinction about how you feel about the human being in a redemptive sin sense, should i write them off or should they be governor of virginia. >> that's right. i believe in forgiveness. i believe in redemption. is it always appropriate for that person to remain in his or her position of power? usually it's a guy. no, it's not appropriate. i think the problem, one of the problems for governor northam is he can no longer lead the state of virginia effectively. and the people of virginia deserve a governor who can lead effectively. >> do you think this will -- do you anticipate this playing out in this primary? >> i think it is already.
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one of the reasons that i came out when i did was because i believe that it's important for us to lead with our values. and if we're going talk the talk, we need to walk the walk. so, yeah, i think in different ways. >> julian castro, former secretary of hud and running for president of the united states, based out of san antonio. good to you here in new york. >> thanks, chris. >> come by any time that is "all in" for this evening. "the rachel maddow show" starts right now. good evening. >> rachel. thanks to you at home for joining us this hour. a very busy news day today. we have sort of a packed show tonight. lots going on, including a little bit of breaking news that we're going get to in just a moment. but the wake of last night's state of the union address, president trump today, you may have noticed, he did not set off on any kind of message-driven bus tour or any other kind of political event somewhere out in the country, trying to sell the elements of his state of the union address from last night.

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