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and the bosses were determined to shut it down. they spread rumors and fear about the strikers. one factory owner even paid a guy to plant sticks of dynamite around town so that he could frame the workers as a violent mob. the mill owners also owned city government. and city government declared martial law and called in the militia. some strikers died in violent clashes with the police. understand, it was a hard fight. families that were already going to bed hungry had to make do with even less. they were cold. they were under attack. but they stuck together and they won. higher wages, overtime pay, everybody back at work.
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and those workers did more than improve their own lives. they changed america. within weeks, more than a quarter of a million textile workers throughout new england got raises. within months, massachusetts became the first state in the nation to pass a minimum wage law. and today, there are no children working in factories. we have a national minimum wage and national worker safety laws. workers get paid overtime and we now have a 40-hour week. that's right. that's right. because of the workers right here in lawrence and all across the country, we have weekends. the story of lawrence is a story about how real change happens in
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america. it is a story about power, our power. when /* when we fight together. today, millions and millions and millions of american families are also struggling to survive in a system that's been rigged. rigged by the wealthy and the well connected. hard working people are up against a small group that holds far too much power. not just in our economy, but also in our democracy. like the women of lawrence, we are here to say, enough is enough. we are here to take on a fight that will shape our lives, our
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children's lives and our grandchildren's lives, just as surely as the fight that the began in these streets more than a century ago. because the man in the white house is not the cause of what is broken. he is just the latest and most extreme symptom of what's gone wrong in america. a product of a rigged system that props up the rich and powerful and kicks can dirt on everyone else. so once he's gone, we can't pretend that none of this ever happened. it won't be enough just to undo the terrible acts of this administration. we can't afford just to tanker around the ends a tax credit here, a regulation there.
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our fight is for big structural change. lives. the fight to build an america where dreams are possible, an america that works for everyone. and that is why i stand here today to declare that i am a candidate for president of the united states of america.
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chants of warren, warren ] warr] now, the truth is i've been in this fight for a long time.
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i grew up in oklahoma on the ragged edge of the middle class. now, when my daddy had a heart attack, my family nearly tumbled over the financial cliff. but we didn't. my mother who was 50 years old and had never worked outside the home, walked to sears and got a minimum wage job answering the phones. that job saved our house, and it saved our family. i ended up in a commuter college that cost $50 a semester. but think about it. that is how the daughter of a janitor managed to become a public school teacher, a law professor, and a united states senator. i believe in an america of opportunity! i've spent most of my life
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studying what happens to families like mine, families caught in the squeeze, families that go broke. and what i found was that year after year, the path to economic security had gotten tougher and rockier for working families. and even tougher and even rockier for people of color. i also found this wasn't an accident. it wasn't inevitable. no. over the years, america's middle class has been deliberately hollowed out. and families of color have been systematically discriminated against and denied their chance to build some security. now, it started very quietly. the richest and most powerful people in america, they were rich. i mean really rich.
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but they wanted to be even richer and they didn't care who got hurt. so every year, bit by bit, they lobbied washington and paid off politicians to tilt the system just a little more in their direction. and year by year, bit by bit, more of the wealth and opportunity went to the people at the very top. and that is how today, in the richest country in the history of the world, tens of millions of people are struggling to get by. since the early 1970s, adjusted for inflation, wages in america have barely bunched. but the cost of housing has gone up nearly two-thirds. the cost of college has nearly tripled. and 40% of americans couldn't find $400 to cover an emergency.
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that is millions of hard-working people in this country whose lives would be turned upside down if the transmission fell out of the car or somebody got sick and missed a week at work. the middle class squeeze is real and millions of families can barely breathe. it is not right. it's not right. now, this disaster has touched every community in america. and for communities of color that have stared down structural racism for generations, the
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disaster has hit even harder. take home ownership. the number one way that middle class families build wealth in our country. back in 1960, it was legal to discriminate against families of color. and the gap between white home ownership and black home ownership rates was 27 percentage points. that's a lot. over time, we changed the law to prohibit that kind of discrimination, and the gap began to close. but today, the home ownership gap between black and white families is 30 percentage points. bigger than it was back in 196 ol when housing discrimination was actually legal. race matters and we need to say so.
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and we can't be blind to the fact that the rules in our country have been rigged against other people for a long time. women, lgbtq americans, latinos, native americans, immigrants, people with disabilities, and we need to call it out. but over the course of a generation, the rules of our economy have gotten rigged so far in favor of the rich and powerful, that everyone else is at risk of being left behind. listen to this. the 1940s, 90% of all kids were destined to do better than their parents. by the 1980s, the odds slipped
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to 50-50. and now we could be the first generation in american history where more kids do worse than their parents. and meanwhile, the rich and powerful seem to break the rules and pay no price no, matter what they did. they grow richer and more powerful. bailouts for bankers that cheat, tax cuts for companies that scam, subsidies for corporations that pollute. that's what a rigged system looked like. too little accountability for the rich, too little opportunity for everyone else. [ chants of enough is enough ] >> now, when i talk about this,
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some rich guys scream, class warfare. well let me tell you something. these same rich guys have been waging class warfare against hard working people for decades. i say it's time to fight back. yep. to protect their economic advantages, the rich and powerful have rigged our political systems, as well. they bought off and bullied politicians in both parties to make sure that washington is always on their side. some of them have even tried to buy their way into public office. so today, our government works just great, great for oil companies, defense contractors, great for private prisons, great for wall street banks and ledge funds. it's just not working for anyone else.
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and when it comes to climate change, our very existence is at stake. but washington refuses to lift a finger without permission from the fossil fuel companies. that's dangerous and it's wrong. and it isn't just climate change. look at any other major issue in america. gun violence, student loan debt, the crushing cost health care, mistreatment of our veterans, a broken criminal justice system, an immigration system that will lacks common sense and under this administration lacks a conscience.
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overwhelming majorities of americans want action. huge crowds march on washington demanding change. letters, phone calls, protests, but nothing happens. nothing. why? because if you don't have money and you don't have connections, washington doesn't want to hear from you. when government works, only for the wealthy and the well connected, that is corruption plain and simple, and we need to call it out. corruption is a cancer on our democracy. and we will get rid of it only with strong medicine, with real structural reform.
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our fight is to change the rules so that our government, our economy, and our democracy work for everyone. and i want to be crystal clear about exactly what i mean when i say that. first, we need to change the rules to clean up washington, end the corruption. now, we all know the trump administration is the most corrupt in living memory. but even after trump is gone, it won't do just to do a better job of running a broken system. we need to take power in washington away from the wealthy and well connected and put it back in the hands of the people where it belongs.
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and that is why i have proposed the strongest and most comprehensive anti-corruption laws since watergate. let me just give you some examples. just some examples. shut down the revolving door between wall street and washington. end lobbying as we know it. and while we're at it, ban foreign governments from hiring lobbyists in washington. oh, and make justices of the united states supreme court follow a basic code of ethics. ban members of congress from trading stocks.
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how is that not already illegal? oh, and just one more. make every single candidate for federal office put their taxes on line. i've done it. so that's one, root out corruption in washington. now, two. change the rules to put more economic power in the hands of the american people. workers and small businesses. middle class families and people of color who have been shutout of their chance to build wealth for generations. and again, that requires real structural change.
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right now, giant corporations in america have too much power. and they just roll right over everyone else. we need to put power back in the hands of workers. make it quick and easy to join a union. unions built america's middle class. unions will rebuild america's middle class. and make american companies can accountable for their actions. raise wages by putting workers in those corporate boardrooms where the real decisions are made. break up monopolies when this he choke off competition. take on wall street banks so that the big banks can never again threaten the security of our economy. and when giant corporations and their leaders cheat their
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customers, stomp out their competitors and rob their workers, let's prosecute them. you know, and one more thing. i am tired of hearing that we can't afford to make real investments in child care, college, and medicare for all. i'm tired of it. i'm tired of hearing that we can't afford to make investments in things that create economic opportunities for families. i'm tired of hearing that we can't afford to make investments in things like housing and opioid treatment. can't afford to address things like rural neglect or the legacy of racial discrimination. i'm tired of hearing what we can't afford because it's just not true.
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we are the wealthiest nation in the history of the world. of course, we can afford these investments. but we need a government that makes different choices, choices that reflect our values. stop handing out enormous tax give aways to rich people and giant corporations. stop refusing to invest in our children. stop stalling on spending money, real money, on infrastructure and clean energy and a green new deal.
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and start asking the people who have gained the most from our country to pay their fair share. and that includes real tax reform in this country. reforms that close loopholes and giveaways to the people at the top and an ultramillionaire's tax to make sure that rich people start doing their part for the country that made them rich. okay. so that's one. clean up washington. that's two, change account rules in our economy. and now three. change the rules to strengthen our democracy.
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and that starts with a constitutional amendment to protect the right of every american citizen to vote and to have that vote counted. oh, and that's just the beginning. overturn every single voter suppression rule that racist politicians use to steal votes from people of color. outlaw partisan gerrymandering by democrats or republicans.
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and overturn citizens united, our democracy is not for sale. and by the way, by the way, if we truly believe that, then we also need to end the unwritten rule of politics that says that anyone who wants to run for office has to start by sucking up to a bunch of rich donors on wall street and powerful insiders in washington. so i'm opting out of that rule. i'm not taking a dime of pac money in this campaign. there's more.
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i'm not taking a single check from a federal lobbyist. i'm not taking applications from billionaire who want to run a super pac on my behalf. and i challenge every other candidate who asks for your vote in this primary to say exactly the same thing. so it's not just elections. real democracy requires equal justice under law. it's not equal justice when a kid with an ounce of pot can get thrown in jail while a bank executive who launders money for a drug cartel can get a bonus. we need reform.
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it's not equal justice when, for the exact same crimes, african-americans are more likely than whites to be arrested, more likely to be charged, more likely to be convicted and more likely to be sentenced. yes, we need criminal justice reform and we need it now. >> and one more thing. we need to do to strengthen our democracy. we must not allow those with power tore weaponize hatred and bigotry to divide us. more than 50 years ago, dr. martin luther king junior went to montgomery and warned us about the danger of division.
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he talked about how bigotry and race-baiting are used to keep black americans divided from white americans so that rich americans can keep picking all their pockets. that playbook has been around forever. whether it's white people against black people, straight people against gay people, middle class families against new immigrant families, the story is the same. the rich and powerful use fear to divide us. we're done with that. bigotry has no place in the oval office. this is who we are. we come from different backgrounds. different religions, different languages, different experiences.
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we have different dreams. we are passionate about different issues, and we feel the urgency of this moment in different ways. but today, today, we come together ready to raise our voices together until this fight is won. our movement won't be divided by our differences. it will be united by the values we share. we all want a country where everyone, not just the wealthy, everyone can take care of their families. we all want a country where every american, not just the ones who hire armies of lobbyists and lawyers, everyone can participate in the democracy. a country where every child can
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dream big and reach for real opportunity. and we are in the fight to the build an america that works for everyone. so look. i get it. i get it. this won't be easy. now, there are a lot of people out there with money and power and armies of lobbies and lawyers. people who are prepared to spend more money than you and i could ever dream of to stop us from making any of these solutions a reality. people who will say, it's extreme or radical to demand an america where every family has some economic security and every kid has a real opportunity to succeed and i say to them, get
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ready because change is coming faster than you think. yeah, look, this kind of fundamental change will be hard. a lot of people including some of our friends will tell us it's going to be so hard, it isn't even worth trying. but we will not give up. i want to tell you one last story. so when i was home with my first baby, i got this notion that i would go to law school. now, it was a crazy idea, but i persisted. and it took me some time but
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eventually i figured out the admissions tests and the applications and i worked out how to pay my tuition and i mapped out the 45-minute commute to the campus. and weeks out, weeks out, i had just one thing left on my checklist. child care. my daughter amelia was nearly 2 years old, and i looked for child care. i looked everywhere. i struck out over and over and over. so we're down to the weekend before law school was supposed to start. and i finally found this small place with a cheerful teacher and a nice little play area and nothing smelled funny and i could afford it. but the place would only take children who were dependably potty trained. so i looked over at amelia, she
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was happily pulling toys off the shelf. her diaper barely covered by her pink stretchy pants. dependably. they trained. i now had five days to dependably potty train and an almost 2-year-old. all i can say is, i stand before you today courtesy of three bags of m&ms and a cooperative toddler. and since that day, i've never let anyone tell me that anything is too hard. now, how they have tried. people said it would be too hard
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to build an agency that would stop big banks from cheating americans on mortgages and credit cards. but we got organized. we fought back. we persisted and now that consumer agency has forced these banksing to refund nearly $12 billion directly to people they cheated. yes. and when republicans tried to sabotage the agency, i came back here to massachusetts and then ran against one of them. now, now, no woman had ever won a senate seat in massachusetts, and people said it would be too hard for me to get elected. but we got organized. we fought back. we persisted, and now i am the senior senator from the commonwealth of massachusetts. so no, i am not afraid of a fight. not even a hard fight.
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when the women of everett mill walked out from their machines and out into that cold january air all those years ago, they knew it wouldn't be easy. but they also knew what was at stake for themselves and their families. and they weren't going to let anyone tell them it was too hard. doubters told the abolitionists it's too hard. skeptics told the suffragettes it's too hard. cynics told the trust busters it's too hard. naysayers told the food soldiers of the civil rights movement, it's just too hard. but they all, all kept right ongoing and they changed the history of america.
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and sure, there will be plint i of doubters and guards and arm chair critics this time around, but we learned a long time ago, you don't get what you don't fight for. we are in this fight for our lives for our children, for our planet, for our futures, and we will not turn back. my daddy ended up as a janitor. but his little girl got the chance to be a public school teacher, a college professor, a united states senator, and a candidate for president of the united states.
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i am grateful all the way to my bones, grateful and determined. so here's the promise i make to you today. i will fight my heart out so that every kid in america can have the same opportunity i had, a fighting chance to build something real. i will never give up on you or on your children and their future.
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i am in this fight all the way. okay. it's -- it's a long way to election day. but our fight starts here and an it starts with every one of you. it starts with your decision to get involved. right now. so join us on elizabeth help us organize, volunteer, pitch in five bucks. we need everyone in this fight. everyone. the textile workers here in lawrence more than 100 years ago won their fight because they
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refused to be divided. today, we gather on those same streets, ready to stand united again. this is our moment in history. the moment we are called to. this is our moment to dream big, fight hard, and win. thank you! thank you! ♪ >> well, there you heard it, everyone. something we've been expecting since new year's eve. that is when elizabeth warren announced an exploratory committee for a candidacy towards the president of the united states, but now some 45 minutes or so into this speech, we figured it out ten minutes into that. she is definitely a candidate for the presidency of the united states. we're going to go right now to
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beth fouhy standing by for news lawrence. you know, beth, she is absolutely fearless and undown theed by significant goals that she has. there's nothing small about what she hopes to accomplish if she becomes president of the united states. talk about that crowd, the reaction and your thoughts to what i just said categorizing the kind of candidacy she wants to have. >> reporter: you're right. she is fearless. i want to go back and count the number of times she used the term fight in that speech, fighting for you, fighting the people in washington who are rigging the system against you, fighting for your kids, fighting the fat cats. she's a real fearless fighter. that's certainly been her whole political m.o. throughout her career. we also know she's a good speech giver. this was a very good teach, very well timed and paced. she got great reaction here in the crowd and she fiscally stuck to the themes she's been talking about for many, many years now, you know, corporate greed and
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putting down people who don't have a lot of money in favor of the wealthy and how she's going to stop that as president. i also noticed she went into some issues she doesn't typically talk about quite so often. she focused a lot on the issue of race and how black people, people of color face more economic challenges than white people. she hit that repeatedly. she talked about criminal justice reform and the need for that and the need for changing a system where people hole are arrested for small amounts of drugs go to jail and corporate wrongdoers see no jail time at all. she will really hit issues of race which as you know is important to the democratic primary. lots and lots of black voters, they probably will be the decisive vote in the democratic primary. she also said very explicitly bigotry has no place in the oval office, an obvious reference to president trump although she didn't use his name. finally she did a good job wrapping what she's trying to do
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in the history of this mill town where work walked off job in 1912 to protest low pay and helped create the american labor movement. it was a speech about being fearless and fighting hard. it was a vintage elizabeth warren. >> and absolutely vintage. again, she has some pretty significant goals here. i'm going to bring in a panel as i thank you, beth. we'll check in with you again next hour. i'm joined by zerlina maxwell political analyst, bob cusak, editor-in-chief for the hill and manuel. we'll go ladies first with you, zerlina. did you hear that sets her apart from all the other candidates? is it merely just the largesse of what she hopes to accomplish and the fearlessness with which she goes toward those goals. >> i think she's not the only democratic candidate to do this. one of the most effective things about elizabeth warren and her
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message and particularly today is she's able to bridge did the intersection between race and economic issues. and gender and economic issues. and that is extremely important when you're trying to put forth a message that resonates with those constituencies so black women, for example, the base of the democratic party, are listening very intently to messaging around race and gender and the intersection between those two things and how we can put forth policies like affordable child care, for example, to help that particular voting bloc. i think she had a lot of messages that tied in the economic message to the broader messages, the cultural messages that we have been focused on throughout the trump presidency and i think that's really going to resonate because she mentioned the word fight over and over and over again. >> 28 times. >> and she's talking to those constituencies saying i'm going to fight for you to be able to move up the socioeconomic ladder despite the fact that you have
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oppressive forces like race and gender impactsing your daily life. >> bob what, do you think are the biggest challenges that face her with her candidacy, one that i might add she was very specific making the promise she would take no pac money, she would take knock federal lobbyist monies and by the way, she's challenged every other candidate in this particular primary tore commit to the same. she's got big goals. things do not come cheap, particularly presidential candidacies and therefore, elections. is that one of her challenges you think is being able to fund this. >> i think it's going to be a challenge for all the candidates, but elizabeth warren has shown she can raise money and she's going to raise a lot of small donor donations. this was a speech that the base loves. i thought the visuals were very good. i thought she delivered quite well. she got stronger as she went on. i see this message as a blend of barack obama's 2008 change message and bernie sanders 2016 message. those did very well and she
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added her own flavor that she's the daughters of a janitor. that's her biggest issue. she's got to come across as authentic as i am one of you and that's what her message was. america that works for everyone. it was a very good launch today. >> is she bernie sanders 2020, manuel? is there room for both of them in this race if he goes beyond just considering the possibility and actually declares a candidacy? >> well, that certainly could be a crowded space in 2020. i thought this launch was all about class. i think like bob, that that line that she's the daughter of a janitor really jumped out. for me it echoed the lines that we'd heard in previous campaigns from previous candidates. john edwards was the son of a millworker. marco rubio, the son of a bartender. and she used another word besides fight over and over and over again. and that was the rich. i'd like to get the final count
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on that because the number i'm sure will be big. >> uh-huh. soder lynn na she wants to clean up d.c. she wants to change rules tols strengthen the economy and change rules to protect our democracy. all three are huge and significant goals. which one does she have the most success at tacking is right off the bat, do you think? >> i think that the goal of changing the way campaign finance works, she talked a lot about the rich and special interests impacting our politics and that's really the most important issue right now. it's not something we talk a lot about, but dark money impacting our politics, these special interest donors, billionaires that are just putting tons of money into congressional presidential senate races and swaying these elections in a way that voters are not able to. and i think that that's something that will completely transform our politics and i'm glad to see not just elizabeth warren but other 2020 candidates
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on the democratic side focusing on this issue. you saw alexandria ocasio-cortez also talk about that in a viral video this week in a congressional hearing. democratic voters are understanding that the system is actually rigged against them and that you actually have to upend that will system and change it so that the everyday voter has as much of a say as a billionaire like sheldon adelson. >> absolutely. you know, bob, aspiration is one thing and legislation is another one. and when you get to washington, what she says is we can't afford to just tinker around the ends, a tax credit here, a regulation there. our fight is for big structural change. you know, i admire so much where she's going with this. i just don't see how it gets done given account enormity of washington and everything the red tape on capitol hill. do you see a path forward for her? >> i think there's a path forward for her certainly as a
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top tier candidate. i think she's a top tier candidate. i don't think there's flew front-runner even if biden gets in. these are the kind of messages that excite the base. you have to have an uplifting message. it's very difficult to get things done in washington but she's saying this is not okay, if we beat trump, it goes beyond that. we've got to change the system. her message is this economy is not doing well for everyday people and that's a big part of her message i think. >> who is going to support her right out of the gate? >> well, i think that she gave you a laundry list right at the beginning of the people who she's looking to target. women and people of color. it's interesting she only glanced at hispanics mentioning immigration but not really honing in on that audience. and it will be fascinating see whether she expands that to be a bigger part of her message going forward. >> yeah.
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zerlina, we have yet to hear from former vice president joe biden in terms of whether or not he is going to run. but he does lead in all sorts of polling of likely voters. elizabeth warren has lagged somewhat in those same polls despite everybody hearing from her, knowing since new year's eve that she was doing this exploratory committee. she's been to iowa and the like. who do you see as being the greatest challenge of those not only declared but those ho may declare in a real serious way. >> i think that the biggest challenger right now for joe bide is senator kamala harris. i say that because of the way the calendar is set up. you have the senator from california which is now a super tuesday state who has a real advantage in a state like south carolina where black voters are incredibly important. you can see a scenario in which the delegate math puts her ahead if she's able to take california, which has a lot of delegates as you know, alex.
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and also south carolina. so i think that's the biggest challenge in terms of the math. but anybody can gain tractioning in this environment because i there that you saw elizabeth warren also put forth a message that will resonate with black voters. i think everybody should go after those constituencies that can get them the nomination. that's what this is about. think that the democratic party finally is showing that they take black voters serious lis and not just coming to them in the last stages for go2v, for example. >> bob, you first the same question. very quick with your answers. whom do you think poses the biggest challenge to elizabeth warren at this point. >> for warren bernie sanders. she is in the same lane as sanders. i think bernie sanders will probably be a little nervous after that speech because it was a good speech. >> manuel, your thoughts. >> i mean it's so hard to stay before all of the horses are in the race so to speak.
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>> for sure. >> but obviously kamala harris is staking out some ground that might be staked out by elizabeth warren if bernie sanders gets in, they would also be in that crowded space. so both of them would be pushing her, but there's so much time left. and so much water to goed you the bridge before we get to really honing in on the short list of candidates that it's almost impossible to say. >> which means i'm very glad i know i will speak with all three of you many, many times over the next number of months. zerlina, bob, manuel, thank you so much. it's an exciting announcement by elizabeth warren. we're glad we could bring it to you live here on msnbc. coming up, a chance encounter on the train but is it a snapshot for the democratic nomination? that's coming up in our next hour. cratic nomination? that's coming up in our next hour glad you're back how you feeling? ♪ ♪
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just this hour, senator elizabeth warren formally announcing her candidacy for president of the united states doing so with a very zing message. >> hard-working people are up against a small group that holds far too much power.
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not just in our economy, but also in our democracy. the man in the white house is not the cause of what is broken. he is just the latest and most extreme symptom of what's gone wrong in america. a product of a rigged system that props up the rich and powerful and kicks dirt on everyone else. >> joining me now is democratic congressman everybody nevada riptive din nap titus. you heard it. do you think it's a winning message from elizabeth warren? can it res flat with enough people to carry her all the way to the white house? >> i think it was a very powerful speech, very compassionate, showed a lot of fight. i thought she was relatable. who won't remember the m&ms story. she's a great addition to the field. >> one of many. we have another expectation tomorrow with senator amy klobuchar. we'll get to that. i do want to turn to matt quhit
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ker and what we saw on friday. the president tweeted the democrats were vicious and totally show their cards for everyone to see. what was your biggest testimony from matt whitaker and his testimony yesterday? >> it was very clear he was out of his league. he didn't really know how to behave. he called the chairman on the time limit. i think he was lucky that people were limited to five minutes. he answered very few questions directly. and often changed his position. so i think it's a good thing he's on the way out. >> i have one more question for you, unfortunately in our limited time due to the senator's announcement. but i want to take a look at what's happening in terms of the economy, six days left until the continuing resolution funds the government and that ends. has progress been made with negotiations for the president's border wall? is the country leaded towards another shutdown? what's the talk in congress? >> well, the word coming out of that committee meeting is that they are making progress. they are optimistic. i don't believe they're going to
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let government shut down again. the republicans on the senate side have sent the word to the president this is not a good idea. i'm hopeful that we'll come with some kind of compromise, at least a short-term fix. >> dina titus is, apology for the brevity of our chat. thank you for staying with us. elizabeth warren's long waited presidential announcement comes just as "the boston globe" says she needs to stop the drip, drip, drip of revelations. will lingering questions cripple her candidacy? lations. will lingering questions cripple her candidacy? to make you everybody else... ♪ ♪ means to fight the hardest battle, which any human being can fight and never stop. does this sound dismal? it isn't. ♪ ♪ it's the most wonderful life on earth. ♪ ♪
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it is the top of the hour. welcome to weekends with alex witt". just a short while ago, an the democratic primary field gaining another candidate. >> i stand here today to declare that i am a candidate for president of the united states. of america. senator elizabeth warren launching her campaign today in lawrence, massachusetts and she is promising a good fight. let's go there now where abc's beth fouhy following it for us. give us a sense of the crowd. my goodness, it dispersed quickly. that place was packed just minutes ago. >> reporter: it's really, really cold here. that's the reason. you know what? if you're a fan of elizabeth warren and there are a lot of those in the crowd today, this was a good speech she delivered
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it well. she talked about fighting. this has been the theme of her career fighting for the middle class for people who don't have a lot of advantages in washington. she hit a lot of other issues talking about the history of organized labor and the history of this location, where a very famous strike took place over 100 years ago that helped launch that labor movement. she talked about the need for economic equality to be transmitted to people of color and to women. she will talked a lot about corruption and that was, of course, one of the major focuses especially talking about president trump. she said that while he is not alone in facing that problem in washington, he has been a manifestation of bad behavior. she vowed to make sure that a lot of changes would be coming in washington on the issue of transparency and corruption if she becomes president. take a listen to something she said. >> make justices of the united states supreme court follow a basic code of ethics.
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ban members of congress from trading stocks. how is that not already illegal? oh, and just one more. make every single candidate for federal office put their taxes on line. i've done it. >> reporter: yeah, now of course, that's a reference to president trump, as well since he has famously not released his tax returns. so there was a big pledge of transparency as a part of cracking down on what she says is a capital city that is not responsive to people's concerns. oh now warren is off to new hampshire, she's going to do a campaign there later today. tomorrow she's going to be in iowa, that first in the nation caucus state, alex. >> okay. beth fouhy, we'll let you warm up. thank you so much for that breakdown. joining me now a very big panel,
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abigail tracy, "vanity fair," zerlina maxwell returns from sirius xm and political analyst. bill press radio talk show host, ashley pratt, board member for republican women for progress, and republican strategist rick tyler, and political analyst. let's get right into it. abigail you first here. what did you make of warren's speech? do you think she did enough to distinguish and identify herself? >> i think what we saw is elizabeth warren hitting those pop u lift notes she has. she has effectively been running for president for the last month sore so. she already had visits to new hampshire, south carolina, puerto rico. what we saw is the location was significant in the message it sent. beth just laid out this idea that it is the location of you know, very famous strike. one of the message that that is sending this idea that this is
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her launching point and her starting point tells people that this is what my campaign is going to be all about. the middle class and populism. >> absolutely. bill, your take on the campaign launch there? a progressive platform she has. is that the right call right now heading into 2020? >> i thought it was a ten strike all the way. it was a great location, a great message. very strong delivery. and you know, it's going to be a crowded field. i think the launches this time are particularly important because we see these candidates and sort of assess them early on as to how strong a contender they're going to be. kamala harris had an electric launch and i think elizabeth warren did today with that strong progressive message which is the message of the democratic party. she particularly focused on women, focused on people of color. one phrase that stuck with me is an america that works for everyone. very strong message i believe. all the way through it, alex, i kept thinking about mitch
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mcconnell's favorite phrase, nevertheless she will persisted. and boy, did she ever. and she'll persist all the way to the end. >> yeah. it is so interesting to your point, bill, that there are two women who have announced and done so quite formidably. rick, your take on warren's rollout. does she pose a real threat to president trump and is it conceivable that this time around we could have a woman president for the first time in history? >> well, i hope we do have a woman president and soon. let me agree and disagree with bill. the optics were terrific. it's a big rick to stand in lawrence, massachusetts when it's freezing out and pray people will show up and they did in big numbers. she's energetic and got the endorsement of a kennedy. it's a strong showing. her team should be very, very happy. let me disagree about the message because while it fits her identity as a fighter and she is a fighter and what i like about elizabeth warren, if you
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remember tarp, she was on the right side. t.a.r.p. was all about relieving troubled assets relief program. that was the rich went in with the poor to buy houses and the rich got bailed out when the mortgages went through and the poor lost their homes. here's the problem is she is now basically in the tame space that donald trump is mess and wise. she is going to compete with him on defending the past, talking about the labor movement, manufacturing jobs, she shouldn't be talking about the jobs of the past. she should be talking about the future. i think she can do that and i think she can attract minorities and women she's strong on by doing that. by propping up past, you're only falling into a trap with donald trump. i don't think that's the way forward. >> listen, i hope you don't mind if i bring someone in the cold. i'm told john hardwood, editor-at-large, is there in front of the camera. i'm going to get to you real quick, john. warren talks a lot about the difficulty of getting ahead.
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let's take a quick listen to some of what she had to say about that. >> rich and powerful seem to break the rules and pay no price. no matter what they did. they grow richer and more powerful. bailouts for bankers that cheat. tax cuts for companies that scam. subsidies for corporations that pollute. that's what a rigged system looks like. too little accountability for the rich, too little opportunity for everyone else. >> she used the word rig there. she's also used that word a lot in the past, john. and the president we should say has done that, as well. how does that word resonate with supporters, john? >> reporter: well, look, i think this is a big question of the campaign, alex. she will also laid down a marker and said she was committed to big structural change, not fighting around the edges. here's the challenge. when you have a democratic candidate trying to go up against donald trump who has
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been a very divisive president, a very pugilistic president, she has a similar message, to voters in 2020, are they going to want somebody who is more of -- has a soothing bring us together message? that's what beto o'rourke was doing in thames or somebody who is going to commit to fight. that's what she has done. it fits with the emotional tenor of a big portion of the democratic base. the question is, what is the staying power of that message. in theory, she has the ability to go after some of the same working class voters that donald trump did. she starred here in lawrence which is now 60% latino. and is talking to some of those working class voter who are not white working class voters but potentially she could cross over and get some of those people. but she's also got to worry about the suburban voters who powered those democratic house victories in 2018. >> ashley, what do you think the
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biggest challenges are facing the senator as she officially dives into campaign mode here and might some of that be raising money given the fact she says she's take nothing pac money no, federal lobbyist money? let's going to be tough. >> for sure. i think she had a very strong announcement but i will warn against the real problem here. we've seen this on the republican side before. too crowded of a primary. if the main objective of the democratic party is to defeat donald trump in 2020 pending if an impeachment happens or if he runs for re-election, those are big questions. let's say he is the name on the top of the ticket for the republican party in 2020, that is going to be their biggest challenge. they can't have too crowded of a field because of the resources reason. i think at this point they need to throw in someone, i think it hud should be joe biden who can appeal to, working class vote others, appear to former republican voters such as myself who no longer have a home in the party who is a bipartisan figure in many ways who can really get
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a job done in waugh and go toe to toe with donald trump. at this point, the field is becoming too crowded. maybe there's room for three candidates on the democratic side. if the main objective is to defeat donald trump and to take on the republican party and to really make some change, they need to i think look internally now and think who is the best candidate to do that, who should we pool the resources behind. i think they all need to take a very deep and hard look what their real objective is is here for '20. >> it is a crowded field. there's a lot of time to get it whittled it down for sure. zerlina, the issue of her native american ancestry, no mention was made after that here. how much do you think that will haunt her? will that be an issue for that campaign? >> depends how much the media overplays it. i think similarly to the e-mail controversy for hillary clinton,
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the native american, quote unquote, scandal is something that is a drip, drip, drip. that's the problem for elizabeth warren in this particular moment. but if people actually understood the history of the state of oklahoma, this would be the be a controversy. your family telling you that you have native ancestry if you're from oklahoma is not in and of itself controversial. i think that her consistency in telling that story is the part she needs to work on in terms of streamlining that so voters can fully understand that. i do think there needs to be an education in terms of the media and also the public of the history of oklahoma and all of the native american tribes that originate from that state in particular. so if we actually understood the history, i think that people would fully comprehend why she was told these stories growing up and why she had this belief and she still does need to explain it, but i think the history is something we're overlooking when we talk about
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this controversy in the media space. >> john, i'm going to ask you to excellent on that. did you hear any peep about that in the crowd? was anyone concerned about this issue for her? >> reporter: no, but i do think it is a concern she's going to have to deal with. this is something obviously donald trump is going to exploit it. but i think the authenticity questions and questions that my colleague just alluded to about the consistency of her stories is something that's going to come up in the primaries. i want to comment about one other thing about money you were talking about a couple minutes ago, alex. i do not think resources is going to be a problem for elizabeth warren. one of the things that we saw in the last couple of cycles including beto o'rourke in texas in 2018 is if you can ignite the passions of the democratic base, and that base is upscale as well as down scale, you can raise through small donors
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presidential level money without all that much difficulty. i mean, not that it's easy but if you light a fire, money is going to be there. i don't think she's going to have a problem with money. >> okay. i'm going to let that be the last word. i have so many great voices on this panel. i'm glad we got to each of you at least once. thank you all so much. big day. exciting to hear this new candidacy for the presidency of the united states. there is reported optimism over border wall talks on capitol hill. does that suggest a shut down drama this friday may be avoided? voya helps them to and through retirement... dealing with today's expenses... while helping plan, invest and protect for the future. so they'll be okay? i think they'll be fine. voya. helping you to and through retirement.
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the lawless state of our southern border is a threat to the safety, security and financial well-being of all america. in the past, most of the people in this room voted for a wall. but the proper wall never got built. i will get it built. simply put, walls work and walls save lives. >> the president there advocating for a border wall during last tuesday's state of the union address. the president heading down to texas on monday to hold a rally that night in the el paso, his first rally of the 2020 election cycle. joining me is democratic representative from text, vincente gonzales. i know your district if i'm not
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mistaken includes a portion of the u.s. and mexico border. can you give me a reality of the situation down there. >> what kind of impact has illegal immigration had on your constituents? >> well, the reality is mcallen is one of the safest cities in america. in fact, we're the seventh safest city in america. we had zero murders of year of 2018. el paso where he's visiting is the safest large city in the country. i think the president should be visiting places that are in the highest crime rates like detroit, michigan, like cleveland, ohio, little rock, arkansas. he should spend his efforts to lower crime rates in areas that need it. the border communities, there's not a single border community amongst st.highest crime rates in the unit. his rhetoric is based on fallacy he's fed to his right wing base that seem to eat it up. the reality and the stats that the fbi put out which acting attorney general just yesterday
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agreed with the fbi stats. we should be looking at reality as we move forward. >> if not then advocating for a wall, sir, what would you suggest the president could be doing to help the constituents in your district? >> right. okay. so we need better infrastructure along the border. i think we can use more technology. we have six aerostats between my district and the adjoining district that have a long view. they gather intel, detect movement. we should fill the 7500 vacancies in cbp that could be more effective than the simplistic idea of a brick and mortar wall that will be tunnelled over, crossed over, broken through. it will not be a real effective way to manage a border. at a monumental cost to taxpayers. >> i'm going to ask my director to put up the tweet that was put forth by the republican. we should make note republican mayor of el paso this week pep
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talks about at the end how a wall that you have law enforcement, right. >> and the law enforcement in the community is the what continues to keep us safe. what's the situation there in mcallen? you say there's been zero murders. in terms of crime overall? >> i can assure you mcallen is safer than any city the president has ever lived in. it's much safer than new york city, much safer than washington, d.c. i could walk around the middle of the night in the city without a single threat. i'm very careful to do that in washington, d.c. so you know this rhetoric and this campaign rhetoric that has continued for two years needs to stop. i think people need to look at fbi stats and look at reality as they go forward. this is -- this should not be a continuation of the campaign. it's a disservice to the american people and it's far from reality. at the same time, we're ignoring some of the most dangerous cities in america like some of the cities i just mentioned. we should be paying attention to those cities with inner city
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kram that could be addressed. the $25 billion could be much better spent in the most day, cities in america to try to lower crime rate and keep american people safe instead of continuing on had campaign rhetoric that brings nothing security to the american people. >> i'm curious if this campaign rhetoric and the addition of the president calling the southern border a lawless state in his address, has that done something to affect business in your community? has there been any negative detriment as a result of that? >> yeah, it certainly has some impact. nobody wants to be called a dangerous city when in fact we're not and one of the safest in the country. i mean, it's based on pure lies. it's not based on fbi statistics. his own acting attorney general yesterday agreed with fbi statistics. so there seems to be a contradiction between even his own administration. i think he hasn't gotten off the campaign trail since he got elected. it's a real dysservice. as i said to folks who are
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living in danger in the most dangerous cities in the country. we should be allocating resources to them and make sure people are taken care of. detroit is one of the most dangerous in the country on the northern tip, northern border of the united states. as i said, mcallen, we didn't have a single murder in 2018. so that's a lot to be said for that. >> democratic representative from texas, i have sen ta gonzales. thank you so much for your time. have a good saturday. >> thank you. the politics of scandal. al it shape what measures demand of their leaders? shape what mead of their leaders gentle means everything,
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pressure on lieutenant governor justin fairfax to resign from office after a second woman has come forward with charges of sexual assault. we're joining by mike viqueira standing by for news richmond. what can we expect next? how do you know, right, mike? >> reporter: yeah, alex. you're right. it's been such an unbelievable week here at the state house in virginia. all is quiet on this weekend right now. behind the scenes we understand the wheels are turning. lieutenant governor justin fairfax under fire after a
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second charge from a woman charging him with sexual assault. this time meredith watson who says when she and lieutenant governor fairfax, now lieutenant governor, were both students at duke university in the 2000, he raped her. she's got e-mails and communications with friends over the course of the last few years that say bolster her case. we do understand now from a spokesperson for justin fairfax that he is considering making another statement. remember it was just yesterday where he stated without quib vocation he would not be resigning. he called this a smear campaign. he says he never assaulted anyone ever. we understand now he's considering making another statement and it would happen very soon and we're told by that spokesperson it will happen by the end of this weekend. so all eyes now on justin fairfax. meanwhile, the governor, ralph northam, remember him? it was a week ago everybody thought he wouldn't last the week and justin fairfax was going to be the governor of
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virginia. he is hanging on. he's on something of a contrition tour. he just gave an interview published in "the washington post" where he says that he wants to address inequities in virginia politics in virginia culture and education and health care and mortgages. he calls the events of the last week an awakening that can be taken advantage of to re-examine the culture and the attitudes towards race in the commonwealth of virginia. >> okay. thank you for that prep for us. my conversation now mike have i kara, i appreciate that. i'm going to bring in friend and former president of the naacp cornell brooks. what do you think should happen in light of the second allegation of sexual assault against the lieutenant governor. >> if the lieutenant governor is guilty, he has to step down. but if he is innocent, i suspect he's going to hold on and continue in office particularly if the governor insists on
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holding on and continuing in office. but in either instance, what's really important here is that we move beyond account cue mystic call for a fair and full investigation to insure that is in fact a reality because the lieutenant governor has been accused of a crime. i want to emphasize that. governor was accused of essentially racist and immoral behavior. the lieutenant governor has been accused of misogynistic and illegal behavior. in the state of north carolina, there's not a statute of limitations with respect to rape or sexual assault. so the point being here is we need an investigation. he has called for an investigation, and dr. tyson and miss watson would benefit from that. so we have to add that. >> look, mike viqueira was make the point we were having a much different conversation a week ago right now regarding the governor and the lieutenant governor and the fates of their
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futures. do these allegations against fairfax change at all things regarding the governor and in addition attorney general mark herring who has admitted to using black face when i think he was trying to do some party as a rapper and you know whatever? but again, does it -- do these charges against fairfax which you point as being criminal charges, if they're brought to that level, does that is change the way we approach the other two men? >> it should not make any difference what soever. we can provide absolution or forgiveness with respect to racial sins to make up for sexual sins. and so the point being here is the accusations leveled against lieutenant governor do not give account governor or the attorney general a pass. the reality is that the governor really came forward with a series of evolving and moon walking and changing
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explanations and apologies calling into question his credibility and his sincerity. the attorney general, on the other hand, was forthright. he did ask for forgiveness. and has continued to do so. so i want to be clear here. we cannot juxtapose race and gender because people our moral sensibilities have been violated both by black face and the prospect of a office holder, lieutenant governor, being a rapist. that's just not -- there's no tradeoff here. >> absolutely agree with you on that. is there a potential silver lining here though with the governor who has said repeatedly he has no intention of resigning and instead now says he wants to focus the rest of his term on racial equality? is there something that can come out of that that would be positive in the conversation and
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in addressing this issue or if you've said earlier he didn't appear to be sincere before so how do you take his word for it now? >> well, let me put it this way. all of the things that the governor is talking about in terms of advancing equality and racial understanding and healing need to take place irrespective of him appearing in black face or not. so he is trying to make the case that he move from being sold to the apostle paul without giving us the sense of the damascus road experience. in other words, his racial conversion. and so it's certainly good for him to talk about what needs to happen next. but he still needs to account for what he did. he still needs to be transparent and honest. as we've said over and over again, the price of redemption is candor and honesty. and sincerity. and people have every right to ask that of their governor.
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that's critically important. so advancing a policy agenda in lieu of transparency is necessary but insufficient. >> i'll tell you, cornell william brooks, you are still carrying the mantel as the former president of the naacp and you do it so well. >> thank you. >> extortion and blackmail. does jeff bezos really have a case against the "national enquirer"? irer"? saved an average of $412," you probably won't believe me. but you can believe this, real esurance employee nancy abraham. look her up online. esurance, it's surprisingly painless.
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whether ami and the "national enquirer" committed a crime by violating it's nonprosecution deal in the michael cohen case after amazon ceo and owner of the "washington post" jeff bezos published threats by the tabloid accusing the publisher of "extortion and blackmail." joining me now is former assistant watergate special prosecutor jill wine-banks and former u.s. attorney joyce vance as well as stu sb zaku former spokesperson of ami. a reminder jill and joyce are both msnbc contributor. joyce you first here. we should say that ami believes fervently it has acted lawfully in the reporting of the story of mr. bezos and says it was in good faith negotiations to ra try to resolve all matters with does there conduct from what we know about it fit into federal extortion? >> there's really a question within a question here. the first question is, did ami
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do something that would violate federal extortion law. it's a very close call. there's a good argument to be made in many prosecutors are making it that the conduct could be charged. also there's the separate question though of whether ami has violate the its nonprosecution agreement. this i think is the question that presents them with more of a problem. prosecutors could stop short of charging them but find that they violated that agreement and that would of course, have legal repercussions for them. >> stu, i want you to put all this into perspective for us. we have a battle among powerful people. a heavyweight publisher who built an empire on threats and bullying and the richest man in the world. you worked for david pecker from 2004 to your 2006. so when you go through bezos 'allegations, do they sound reasonable to you? are these within the realm of possibility? >> absolutely alex. i believe everything he's put out there is stuff that ami has
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been doing for a long time. what you have here is the first guy to say no, i'm not capitulating here. i'm going to call you on it. i think they didn't anticipate that response. >> what do you expect having been the spokesperson, what do you expect is the ripple effect through ami or through the head of the "national enquirer" offices right now? what are they thinking? >> you have to ask what they were they thinking when they did this. i think on the editorial side, people working there are happy they have jobs because i don't know if you have been paying attention, there's been a lot of layoffs in the media business lately. those there gainfully employed and are happy. as far as the management side, i would think peck earn his team are pretty happy with what's going on. they are in the conversation again whether things get to the point where the immunity thing is thrown out is another story. right now, they've put themselves back in the conversation and not so much in
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a negative way in their eyes. our eyes is a different thing but their base kind of like trump's base believes this is what they should be doing. >> they don't worry about reputation, credibility being sullied at all, it's about city spelling is the name right. >> it's the "national enquirer." you can't create those words. >> i'll retract the question. jill, you have ami already under a nonprosecution agreement with the southern district of new york, right? so was this a breach of contract? >> it sounds to me like it may very well have been a breach of contract. the contract required that they do nothing in any way criminal. and if you read the e-mails and i'm assuming that the e-mails are correct and true, they put in writing direct threats, if you don't do what we want you to do, we are going to harm you. we have very damaging photographs and we will publish
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them. that is your standard classic blackmail or extortion. so if that's not a crime, i don't know what is. and no first amendment protection would prevail to protect them. and i'm a big strong supporter of the first amendment but it's no different than, for example, executive privilege doesn't prevent you from being required to talk about criminal conversations. the same thing is true here. the first amendment does not protect you from threatening someone saying unless you do what i want, i am going to hurt you. i'm going to publish something. clearly jeff bezos has reason to be in fear. he is wealthy enough he could stand up to it and say you can't hurt me. you've already damaged my marriage. that's over. so i'm going to come forward and i'm going to reveal it rather than let you blackmail me. >> you know, stu, jill is using the word blackmail. where is the line drawn between tabloid style media reporting to sell magazines and blackmail? >> well, i'm not an attorney.
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however, i would imagine that that is a really tough line to follow. they're not asking for any money. i mean blackmail as i always heard it, give me money or i'm going to go with this. the threat if they don't take back what bezos has been saying they'll go ahead with pictures, the damage had already been done. once they published that story they lost a leverage they would never usually have with a person like that. bezos i have to applaud his confidence in stepping up to the plate and saying i'm not playing ball. i'm not doing it. >> how does this play out, joyce and then jill you'll get a stab at that. what do you think first, joyce? >> i think we'll watch this slowly unfold in front of us. i'm most interested in seeing how the southern district of new york treats ami going forward. because ami, david pecker could play a key testimonial role here if there are prosecutions to come in addition to the prosecution of michael cohen,
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perhaps the president or others in his inner circle on campaign finance charges. and the question here will be whether the government has already gotten what it needed out of ami or whether it needs their testimony on an ongoing basis in further prosecutions and where that leads us. that for me is the most important point to watch right >> jill, are you keeping an eye on the southern district of new york, as well? >> i am and agree withia joyce said. i'd like to go back to what stu said. i think the line is not all that close. i there that when you have a written document that says if you don't do what i want you to do, then i am going to release very embarrassing photographs which are detailed in the e-mails. and they would have been very harmful and very embarrassing. most people could not withstand that. you don't have to ask for money. you're asking for something of value. and then i would ask, why was it so important to ami that no one
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investigate the connection between politics and trump and the revelations against bezos. there has to be something there or they wouldn't be acting this way to stop him from investigating that connection. >> hey, stu, last question to you. that being can ami, can the "national enquirer" withstand this kind of scrutiny and remain profitable or are they going to take a hit because of this? >> profitable is a tough word to use. in print media, they lose money. however, i think they're going to continue to go on as they've been all along. this is not going to tarnish them. they're similar to trump, teflon. business as usual. their readership will follow them no matter what they put out there. >> you guy, gooed to talk with all of you. thank you so much. what kind of candidate democrats want in 2020? is it a progressive like elizabeth warren or is it more of a centrist. we've got some answers to that next. centrist. we've got some answers to that next
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demand an america where every family has some economic security and every kid has a real opportunity to succeed and i say to them,them, get ready, because change is coming faster than you think. >> senator elizabeth warren there making her presidential bid official with some big ideas. her message hammered the trump administration and pushed a progressive message that includes support for medicare for all, a green new deal and an ultra millionaire tax. let's bring in danielle moody mills and sir michael singleton. i'm glad to see all of you. let's go around the horn and see what the official reaction was to warren's campaign kickoff? >> at first i was really excited by her speech. i thought it hit a lot of good notes. it's very different than what we
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saw from kamala. kamala is an inspiring figure. she really captivated people and elizabeth warren i felt she gave really strong pragmatic points about how we need to fix our broken systems and how we need to right our economy so it actually works for all people. i think that those notes will resonate with people and i also think that talking about voter suppression and the need to fight back against racist politicians and their desire to gerrymander our system was also very important and also a nod to black american voters that she's trying to reach. lauren, your turn. >> i think the biggest problem that elizabeth warren faces right now in terms of if you look ahead to perhaps if she was the nominee is that president trump has spent so much time defining her. when you work in a political race, what you want to do is define your opponent and for a democrat to win in 2020 they'll have to get back some of the trump voters and he has spent so much time talking about her and
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her policies and then as we all know, she hasn't had a great couple of weeks regarding her declaration of native american status. while the optics were good, i think she's had a really difficult couple of weeks and she's very much too far to the left to be competitive in the general election. >> the fact that the president puts out statements talking about her socialist ideas, lauren, does it signal to you that the trump campaign potentially sees her as a threat? >> well, i think that it's more sometimes this president has a ten den sill to be a little bit of a bully especially on twitter and she's just one of his favorite targets and when he does that it fires up his base. i don't read it as him being intimidated by her. if anything, if a candidate were to get in that he might be intimidated by would be former vice president joe biden. >> okay.
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your take, michael. >> i think she raised a lot of good ideas that will resonate with people on the east coast, likely with folks on the west coast. the ultimate question for warren will be the question for many of the other candidates who are running, can they win back states that were considered democrat strong hold, places like michigan and pennsylvania. can they win back some of those voters who voted for president obama in 2012 who opted to vote for trump over hillary clinton in 2016 or just opted to stay home all together. i think that's a question that is an outlier that has to be answered by her and many other candidates and i'm not sure that some of her more progressive leaning ideas will resonate with some of those individuals and so she has to be careful not to move too far left because let's say she does become the nominee for that particular party, she'll have to move back to the center and that's something that could create problems for her in
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the long run. >> look, she did take a few swipes at trump, but like other 2020 contenders so far, she stayed away from the mueller investigation. do you see any risk in that going down the road? do you think presidential hopefuls are right to set that topic aside for now? >> i think so. they need to wait until the report is actually out. you don't want to start commenting on something when we have no idea what way it's going to go. it could go in a way where it doesn't directly implicate trump at all and/or it could implicate him. i think the candidates are making the right choice and allow the investigation to continue without the making public statements that will get headlines. mueller doesn't need that right now. >> speaking of headlines, daniel, warren has come under fire for past claims of native american heritage, something she did not address as she rolled out her official announcement here. how serious of an issue do you
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think this is for her campaign? does she have any hope of putting this controversy to rest? >> i think it's still serious and it's still top of mind for many people and it doesn't help that the president keeps bringing it up on a regular basis. this is something she'll need to address head-on. she wasn't going to use today as an opportunity to do so. today was about laying out her agenda for the american people. elizabeth warren actually speaks to a lot of people who say that they voted for president trump because of the fact that they were dealing with economic insecurity as opposed to racism which i tend to believe the latter. the idea here is she's laying out a plan that is about equalizing the playing field and fixing rigged systems and fixing systems that trump and his crohnies have benefited on for decades. so i think she needs to face that controversy head-on and put it behind her once and for all and talk and then continue to talk about her plans for the american people because i think that it will absolutely resonate
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with the people in the middle who taxes -- trump's new tax plan is going to hurt and continue to squeeze the middle class and the working class and that's something that she can talk to and has immediate plans to fix. >> all right. we'll be talking about elizabeth warren and any number of other candidates a lot together over the next number of months. thank you so much. good to see all three of you. it turned out to be must see testimony but for the wrong reasons. what did the matthew whitaker hearing accomplish any way?
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