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friday night and for this week. thank you so much for being here with us. have a good weekend. good night from nbc news headquarters here in new york. today bob mueller is trying to gag roger stone. we have brand-new video of stone's arrest last month this unusual video shows roger stone surrendering in the early-morning fbi raid. you can see him with his hands up. this is the first time we're seeing an arrest in the mueller probe. play out on camera. so let's look at this exact scene. as it played out. this was the morning of january 25th. what you're seeing there on the screen are these fbi agents, long guns drawn, their faces only blurred for the sake of the media coverage. this video was put out by roger stone himself, and so what we're watching now, what the public is
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seeing for the first time ever is roger stone's morning. friday, january 25th. the information we have suggests this all began around 6:50 a.m. in the morning and what you're seeing here is not something most people ever see. it's not something we've seen with any other person arrested in the mueller probe. because no one else has security footage to leak. what you see on the right side there is the agent making that first knock. the guns drawn. according to information we have, there were over ten different agents outside roger stone's front door. and they knock repeatedly and they wait, the two agents here at the very front obviously mean business. what you see here, is them with their guns drawn waiting to see what comes out the other side of the door. then you see the door open and you see them engage mr. stone. this is him there. his hands go immediately up. this is what you're supposed to do and comply. although we don't have sound, we understand enough was conveyed
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to him to put his hands behind his back where you see another agent, the third agent we can see in the video cuffs mr. roger stone. moves the door this is another part of the video we're getting for the first time out in front. this is after mr. stone has complied and has been put under arrest. and is of course being held there with his hands behind his back. pretty soon after this we're going to see something else that was interesting here. that goes to where we are between reality and production. the reality is this was a very real raid with real guns and real agents and a real person who like anyone wouldn't want to wake up this way. but it also is a production. we have this video because mr. stone has leaked it to sinclair broadcasting group. a conservative broadcasting conglomerate. and soon you'll see him come out wearing a t-shirt designed for public consumption. a t-shirt that says "roger stone
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did nothing wrong." there you see him wearing the traditional protective gear. this is the first time we've seen how mueller's team operates when they go in lawfully. because we know they had a sealed arrest warrant from the day before to deal with a target in their probe. and the video you're looking at here that we think is quite extraordinary is only out because roger stone has released it. now, this week, to a conservative outlet. now why? why are we seeing it? this is part of roger stone's attempt to build on the criticism of how agents treated him. this is what i'll say about that. you now now assess with your own eyes what the scene looks like. we'll bring in experts as well. and you can compare it to what stone has been saying. he likened himself to a suspect
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roughed up on par with deceased osama bin laden. and the tactics that you just saw, well, he says they are like nazi secret police. >> to storm my house with a greater force than was used to take down bin laden or el chapo or pablo escobar, to terrorize my wife and my dogs, it's unconscionable. this was an egregious overreach by mr. mueller. these are gestapo tactics. >> gestapo tactics. now the video is coming out as today roger stone is fighting a possible gag order from a judge. the mueller team seeking one and in a court filing today, new tonight, stone's lawyers say this would be . right to work and pursue a livelihood and their brief cites kim kardashian arguing that stone is not nearly as popular or as big an order and saying a gag would silence their client's
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voice. we've reported before that roger stone has a point when it comes to freedom of speech, but then there is another filing i want to show you today, as stone's in the news where he breaks a broader claim that his case is now, in his view, not even, quote, related to those dozen russians that mueller indicted for hacking democrats. stone trying to force bob mueller into some sort of response, perhaps to reveal more of his hand, and trying to get as well the judge thrown off this case. all of this as we see what it looks like when bob mueller sends agents to your door. we have a lot in the show tonight, including kneel joining me shortly. this i want to begin one-on-one with our own maya wylie, former prosecutor in the southern district of new york. good to see you. >> nice to see you, ari. >> when you look at the tactics on the video, and we rarely see videos like this. do they look normal and traditional or do you see anything wrong with law enforcement's approach at the door? >> this was a textbook
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noneventful arrest. what i mean by that is, what is eventful is obviously that they thought there was some possibility of violence, and that's why they had the guns. why? we don't know. but everything they did from walking -- you see they have their guns -- they're ready to use them if they need them. they knock on the door. you see other agents standing farther back who do not appear to have their guns drawn. they are being protected by the two agents who are in the front in case there are any shots fired by someone. you see them knock on the door, and then it's very peaceful. in fact, we know from one of the journalists, from cnn, who overheard and witnessed this part of the video that the exchange between the agents and roger stone sounded cordial. that was the description of a witness who is ajournalist. so all we're seeing here is a straightforward noneventful arrest. >> right. and that goes on both sides. the police were able, in this
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case federal police, fbi were able to discharge their duties without force and mr. stone did what you are supposed to do. whether you think your arrest is fair or not. everyone has an obligation in this country to comply and he did. he put his hands up and complied in that situation. >> that's correct. >> put this against the fight in court today. bob mueller trying to partially gag roger stone. roger stone trying to get the judge thrown off the case. then he's also doing this thing i mentioned, this isn't related to the russian indictment at all. >> yeah, i find this fascinating because, first of all, in that video you see how roger stone uses the media to advance his narrative that will advantage his court case because he's wearing his t-shirt, right? and, by the way, you know, they used that twitter, twitter and kim kardashian statistic to suggest that somehow they're going to deny him of livelihood and gag him -- i agree with you, first amendment rights are extremely important.
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the judge made very clear that if she were gagging it would be very narrowly and specifically to the case itself. and anything that would materially make the possibility of the trial to be unfair, including -- >> right. >> -- to him, by the way, because it would gag both sides. he doesn't want to be gagged because he wants to continue to use the media. this is the appearance that he's creating. he wants to use the media. he is a person who has always used the media to drive a narrative that advances whatever outcome he wants. and that's exactly one of the things the judge has to worry about. >> right. that he wants to use the potentially to impact the case, which is where the judge's concern comes in, although i've reported on the fact there are certainly precedents that go the other way that could be helpful for mr. stone, whatever you think he did. as you know, we don't try to be petty or messy on this show. i don't want to be petty. but we should note while the fact he make the case he doesn't
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have a twitter account, he violated their terms. >> including saying about don lemon that he should be humiliated, mocked and punished. >> right. >> right? now he's saying this about a black man in america, by the way, at a time when hate crimes are also on the rise. so this was not a small thing that he was pulled off twitter. there is a twitter account with roger stone's name, last i saw it was still up, that had 20,000 followers. the average number of twitter followers for anyone is 707. so to sort of argue that he doesn't have any kind of public presence because he's not on par with kim kardashian is not the standard that judge jackson has to worry about. in fact, she has to worry about a jury pool she's pooling from d.c., washington, d.c., it's fairly small. >> right. >> geographic area. any news can influence that pool because national news is national news. >> sure. >> anyone can consume it. >> no, i think the twitter reference in the brief today was the legal equivalent of the t-shirt, which is it was offered
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more for everyone outside the courtroom than perhaps the judge. i want you to stay with me. as you know, we're turning to the other big story, this explosive hearing on the hill. this story is important because it's all about mueller's boss, trump's acting attorney general matthew whitaker. there was a barrage of questions about the conversations about mueller that he had with trump and whether he would open up about them. democrats on the committee pressed him on the conversations as well as what did he talk to the inner circle or the trump family about before he took on this post of acting attorney general. >> yes or no, at any point since that briefing have you communicated any information you learned in that briefing to president trump? >> mr. chairman, i know that there is a unique -- >> it's a yes or no question. >> have you ever attempted to use any intermediaries to get information to the president or others on his staff? >> congresswoman -- >> it's a yes or no. my time is running out and i've waited a long time.
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please, it's a yes or no. >> have you had conversations about what you learned? that's a yes or a no. >> congressman, i have -- i spend all day every day talking -- >> mr. whitaker, my question is very specific. >> that's what it looked like up and down the hearing. democrats hammering him. things also got a little uncomfortable when he tried some deflection. >> in your capacity as acting attorney general, have you ever been asked to approve any request or action to be taken by the special counsel? >> mr. chairman, i see that your five minutes is up and so -- i'm -- i'm sorry, i don't know if your time's been restored or not. >> mr. attorney general, we're not joking here. >> i'm -- >> and your humor is not acceptable. >> i want to bring in neil, the former acting solicitor general. he also wrote the rules that govern mueller's special counsel probe and maya wiley also with
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us for this conversation. what did we learn from this hearing, the first time matt whitaker's been under oath in this role. >> i think we learned two things. one, the preposterousness of this man being the attorney general of the united states. you saw someone who was so unqualified he shouldn't be the attorney general of 30 rock, 3 rock, a seventh grader would have done a better job, a more respectful job than what he did. it was arrogant, it was irresponsible and it really calls into the question the president's judgement for putting this man at the head of the hallowed department of justice where both of us worked. i mean, i did two tours there, and, you know, i'd be -- if someone asked me to be acting attorney general, i'd be like, no, i don't think i'm ready. but, you know, literally anyone's ready compared to this guy. it was a grave grave thing. that's number one. number two, interference. all he said over and over again was i didn't interfere with mueller, but members of congress, you know, they really went after him and said, but what about the southern district
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investigation? that's the one in which the president has directly been implicated in federal felonies and never once after many questions -- after many questions are asked did he ever say, i didn't interfere, i let that one go. >> i hate to ask a question like this to someone as esteemed as yourself, but didn't he also at times seem to be leaning in to being a, quote, jerk? >> well, i don't want to characterize the motivation, but it did feel like the one thing that was going on there was he was playing for on audience of one, and that audience is donald trump. what he's trying to do, ari, it seems to me, is get another job at the justice department. maybe deputy attorney general or something like that. >> that's interesting. you're saying that part of the reason why he looked so out of step with everything is that he was, according to many, well out of his league with this big job, so going back to be number three or something would be a good thing for him and trump might help him hold on to that. >> exactly.
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>> i knew neil was not going to lean into a personal characterization of this individual, but it struck out to me, i mean, contrast it to bill barr, there is a wide debate over the way that mr. barr views the special counsel rules, which you wrote, and what he's going to do with transparency in this thing, but i was sitting in the room like many other people covering it and mr. barr conducted himself at all times professionally, clearly, you know, normally, you might say. >> and was willing to say that the mueller probe was not a witch hunt. >> mmm-hmm. >> christopher wray has said it and william barr said it, and today we did not hear those words -- >> for your analysis, let's play that and get you to build on that point, but for the viewers, let's -- you watched the thing. not everyone's had a chance yet. here was that moment. >> are you overseeing a witch hunt? >> it would be inappropriate for me to talk about an ongoing investigation. >> do you agree with the president's statement that the russia investigation is a witch
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hunt? >> as i mentioned previously, congressman, i think it would be inappropriate for me to comment about an ongoing investigation. >> so here we have, to your point, ari, william barr absolutely directly saying this is not a witch hunt, robert mueller's a person of the highest integrity. he's someone i know. he did everything to reinforce the integrity of the institution and the integrity of the investigation, even though he had those statements that some find troubles, and we couldn't even get that today from mr. whitaker. the other thing he did, though, that i also find incredibly problematic is he fed this sort of subtext of a conspiracy on the roger stone arrest. because of the issue about how did the journalists know to be outside of roger stone's home when he was arrested? and we know from the journalists, they've said --
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and, look, if they had a source, they would say we had a source. we won't divulge who our source was. they said, you know, we've been paying attention. we've been watching. everyone's known for months roger stone might get indicted. we got lucky. yet, he allowed, as someone who can pick up the phone and get an answer to the question whether there were any leaks out of his shop, because it would have been a huge violation for that to have happened with a sealed indictment, and yet -- >> so what i would say is, maybe a little bit of pushback on maya. psychologists talk about framing effects. the idea that sometimes you show someone an extreme option and it makes a middle one look good. real estate agents will show you a dumpy house and the other one looks a lot better. >> this is how we book "fallback friday" but go ahead. >> i'm worried about whitaker and barr here. whitaker is so, so atrocious, anyone by comparison is going to
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look better, including this coffee cup. barr did a better job, but make no mistake, he is also very dangerous when it comes to protecting the investigation. not the mueller investigation, which he did say some good things about, but the southern district. >> that's where the "national enquirer" stuff is blowing up. it's where an immunity deal may blow up. both of you stay with me. maya is shaking her head like she may have more to say in response to your response. we're going to bring you back. i'm going to fit in a break. i'm also going to add in congresswoman karen bass, part of those very hearings grilling whitaker today and what comes next on the probe. later, the feds reviewing whether or not the publisher of the "national enquirer" should lose his immunity deal. all this related to the jeff bezos blackmailing investigations. new signs speaker pelosi could be winning this time, cornering trump on the border wall. we have a man who knows a lot about pelosi and how to win in washington, former congressman joe crowley and, of course,
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. there is a lot going on in washington. we have more on the fiery hearing on donald trump's acting attorney general. taking questions from congress for the first time. congresswoman karen bass was there and she was all over the hearing. thank you for being here. you question whitaker on his role regarding ethics complaints
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that were filed for a conservative group. let's look at that. >> sure. >> we did file ethics complaints against members of both parties. >> you filed ethics complaints against republicans. can you tell me which republicans you filed ethics complaints again. >> again, i'm here for an oversight hearing. >> yes, you are. my questions are leading to that. can you answer that -- >> filed all of its complaints on its website -- >> i don't have time to look into the website. i'm asking you a question now. you were the executive director. >> that was one of the tense moments the congresswoman, as i mentioned, is here along with neil as well. what were you driving at in that exchange? >> so, what my concern was, he's the executive director of this organization right before he joined the doj. and he has a long list of democrats that he had investigated, including one of the members of the judiciary committee, representative hank johnson, and so how could he be
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objective in investigating democrats? i don't believe they investigated any republicans. otherwise he would have been able to have named some. he goes into the justice department, and so did he initiate investigations against these same democrats while he's in the justice department? i think the overall thing with him is that we don't really view him as a legitimate person to take that role. we viewed him as essentially the overseer of jeff sessions as opposed to being his chief of staff. he was a hack who was working on behalf of the president, watching over jeff sessions, and when jeff sessions leaves he takes the position. like one of my other colleagues pointed out, what were his qualifications to even be in that job in the first place? >> that's a theme that's come up from people, even people who have a lot of deference to the idea that the president can pick who he wants for a range of posts. >> right. >> let me play for you another
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point that you and your colleagues were pressing, which was whether he was hiding conversations with donald trump about these open probes in new york, which are back in the in united states in a big way tonight. take a look. >> right. >> i want to know whether you talked to president trump at all about the southern district of new york's case involving michael cohen. >> congresswoman, as i've mentioned several times today, i am not going to discuss my private conversations with the president of the united states. >> what are we to take from that, in your view? >> well, his overall strategy throughout the whole hearing was to run out the clock, which is why he had to preface every answer with a long explanation. he couldn't answer yes or no. so to me that was the same thing. he was avoiding answering anything, which is pretty much the way he handled himself throughout the whole hearing. he was incredibly arrogant and disrespectful, especially to the chair of the committee. >> i noticed that, too. look, i worked as an aaide in the senate, and there's plenty of brawling that goes on.
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>> right. >> even by that standard, i have to tell you, just my observation was he was -- he was remarkably rude. he was at times -- >> right. >> -- just a jerk to the people asking fairly straightforward questions. i suppose we should note that rather than just ignore it, although it sounds itself a little mean to observe. stay with me, i want to bring in neil, who as you know, served in high levels of the justice department and play for you another exchange about pardons that is especially relevant, given what mueller folks just told a court about manafort. take a look. >> have there been any discussions at the department about pardons? >> congressman, as i've been acting attorney general, i've not been involved in any discussions of any pardons. >> did you ever create, direct the creation of, see or become aware of the existence of any documents relating to pardons of any individual? >> i am aware of documents relating to pardons of individuals, yes.
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>> one of those moments where a good question forces him under oath to actually figure out if he is. this comes as we are learning a story that any other night might be the top story in the country, the president's former campaign chair who was busted for breaking his plea agreement is now in court facing allegations from mueller that he was lying to them in the hopes of a recent attempt at a pardon. >> exactly. so yesterday night we learned about this. the sealed transcript was released in redacted form. this is of paul manafort, who is the campaign manager for trump, his plea deal and whether or not he complied with it or not. and in there, at page 84 there is a remarkable thing. i don't think we've ever seen anything like this. a mueller prosecutor is saying one of the reasons manafort may have lied was in order to help his bid for a pardon with president trump. now, up until this point there's been a lot of speculation that the president and his lawyers
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have been dangling pardons in exchange for more favorable witness testimony and the like. john dowd, his attorney, was accused of that with michael flynn and paul manafort a year and a half ago. now we actually have a mueller prosecutor saying, look, this might have happened in some way, shape or form. now, it's redacted, we don't know everything, but, boy, that is a big, big deal. >> you put it so clearly. congresswoman, i'm over on time, but i want to give you the benefit of responding to that. there is a broad pardon power, but if it were being offered in exchange for a potential federal crime, according to mueller's folks, in you view, would that be an abuse of power? >> absolutely. i don't have any doubt that's exactly what happened. now, i don't have the proof, but do i have doubt? i don't. >> congresswoman bass, who was all over the hearing there. thank you for sharing with us your views. neil katyal, thank you. new blackmailing and
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extortion allegations regarding stolen photos from jeff bezos that could impact his immunity deal right here in the southern district of new york. in 30 seconds, i bring in a former editor for the "enquirer" to get into it. nquirer" to get into it to blackmail him with stolen explicit pictures and the whole story could add more gasoline on this federal probe that impacts donald trump and michael cohen.
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everywhere since jeff bezos went public last night. probing the tabloid leader that bezos put on blast, david pecker. he stands accused of crimes that could even end the immunity deal that he famously got from new york prosecutors. today, pecker's company insists all of this was done lawfully. pecker, though, is in hot water over the kind of intrigue that got him in hot water in the first place, allegedly using the "national enquirer" as a way to attack enemies and reward allies because we already know the feds were probing how he arranged for the "enquirer" to spend six figures buying stories women linked to trump like karen mcdougal in order to hide her story for trump. and, of course, the president had denied involvement but then those leaked tapes revealed donald trump talking to his lawyer michael cohen about, listen for it, their friend david, david pecker, which exposed that trump was involved in the funding and what would happen to the secrets david kept
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if he were ever struck by a truck. >> i need to open up a company for the transfer of all of that info regarding our friend david. >> yes. >> i'm going to do that right away. >> give it to me. >> i've spoken to allen weissleberg about how to set the whole thing up with -- >> so what are we going to do? >> funding -- yes. and it's all the stuff -- all the stuff. because here you never know where that company, you never know where he's going to be. >> maybe he gets hit by a truck. >> correct. so i'm all over that. >> david pecker has been hit by the equivalent of a mack 10 truck. a government entity may have stolen his messages and sent them to pecker's operation. so there are many avenues for prosecutors here. david pecker was involved in hustling people to help trump. then he flipped and told on the people he worked with. why does someone like that start telling on people?
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as rick ross once explained it, major league, who catching? because i'm pitching. jose canseco just snitching because he's finished. well, pecker looked finished and was testifying, but the new evidence suggests pecker may still be in the game, either because he can't help himself or because there was some other thing so dangerous he would risk his own federal immunity deal to stop it from getting out. now, tonight we don't know what that thing would be, but we have heard the "enquirer's" own past employees air out their suspicions. in fact, a 28-year veteran of the "enquirer" told us just two months ago another shoe would be dropping. >> do you think that ami did act in concert with the trump campaign to break the law and should they be held accountable? >> i think they did and i think there is another shoe to drop. i mean, the special counsel's focus is now moving towards, you know, the saudis' role in all of
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this, and they may not be -- they may not be out of trouble yet. >> that was jerry george, the "enquirer's" l.a. bureau chief for 28 years, as mentioned. he's back with me live and maya wiley for legal perspective as well. jerry, is this the other shoe? >> well, yes, it's at least one shoe that's going to drop. it was not -- it was not expected. the terms of the federal prosecutor was that american media needed only to keep their nose clean for three years. it turns out they couldn't do it for even three months. i think that -- >> yeah, i mean, let's pause on that point. maya will give us more legal expertise, but you're saying they struck a deal to get david pecker out of hot water despite all the bad stuff he's accused of, what i was calling the hustling, and he just had to stop doing the bad stuff, and you're saying this is evidence he didn't stop at all?
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>> exactly. it just was -- i think -- i think the appeal of president trump is just too irresistible to him. >> what's going on with the saudis and this tabloid company? >> that's -- that's a story that's unfolding as well. i mean, the -- the saudis are involved somehow in this deal. now, we talked the last time about the special issue that american media put out, seemingly from left field, with the mbs on the cover and pictures of president trump inside. it was basically put out, you know, as a favor, i think, to someone, and suddenly three months later american media came into a windfall of enough money to buy their competitors. was is saudi money? who knows. >> well, you were linked up with a lot of these people. have you heard stories or
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evidence that suggests there may be something elicit with the saudis and whether the trump administration was in on it? >> i think that the trump administration and the saudis are good friends, and i think president trump has proven that by his -- his lack of -- the word escapes me. >> scruples. >> yes, thank you. >> that's what i do. i work with words. i mean, look, jerry, you were very clear when you were last here that this company that is known for a certain type of celebrity coverage out of the blue does a big puff piece super positive about saudi leadership and the prince. out of the blue. in every supermarket in america. they're not known for their foreign policy. and now you have bezos, "the washington post," the trump connection. i want to be clear with viewers,
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a lot more questions than answers tonight, maya, but whether david pecker took an extraordinary risk here is, i think, one of the answers we have. i want to read from this for your analysis. they signed an agreement that said, as was just mentioned, they have to be good for three years from the agreement or all prosecutions arising out of the conduct of the agreement could be revisited. does this, in your view, based on what is known, if the bezos e-mails are real, look like david pecker is back in legal trouble? >> yes. >> stay with me, jerry. that one's for maya. y. >> i have to say more? >> look, what the southern district will do is investigate to determine whether or not they think it violates a federal statute, right? so i'm not suggesting they're just going to run in there and claim that he committed a crime. they will investigate. but, yes, they're going to investigate aggressively, i
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would guess, because what this looks like on its face would fit the federal statute and there are a couple of other crimes they'd have to look into. so, for example, we don't know how they got the material. >> right. >> right? so that's one question because there could have been mail or wire fraud in getting that material. we don't know, but that would be a category of crime. then there's -- say they got the text messages in some way that wasn't unlawful, someone gave it to them, but that would still raise the question of the way they used it. if you are telling someone i'm going to damage your reputation unless you do this thing i want you to do -- >> right. >> -- that could be interpreted as a thing of value. >> right. >> which is what the federal statute says, a think of value. >> it looks hot. it looks a lot worse than it did even 24 hours ago. maya wiley and jerry george, thanks to both of you. we have a lot more as well. the pelosi factor. looks like she could be winning again on the wall. i have longtime democrat who
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care, marriage equality and progressive taxation. let's take a look. >> in the past decade the cost of health care for american families has simply skyrocketed. if we do nothing, ets it's only going to get worse. >> is this bill about helping people who are living paycheck-to-paycheck? hell no. if it looks like a scam, quacks like a scam, it is a scam. >> the gentleman's time has expired. >> there it is. thanks for coming on "the beat." >> thanks, arya. nice to look at old photos of me. >> you and speaker pelosi were both seen as pretty liberal doctrinaire democrats. is that the right approach? is she winning? >> i think so. anyone who underestimates nancy pelosi is a fool. and i think that's coming across clearly right now. i think the president, i
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believe, initially under estimated her. but i also thing the moral sway she's brought to her speakership, not only now but when she was speaker before as well. she kept democrats together. that's not an easy thing to do. >> well, let's build on that. she kept them together, but some of the stuff behind the scenes involves on kind of strategy that she has. i want for your analysis to show you where some of the new, most progressive members are being put on committees. take a look. representative cummings has some of the new members. presley, hill, aoc. maxine waters, a firebrand progressive chairwoman, has clay, porter, aoc. education and labor, johanna heys, ilhan omar. do you see strategy behind the way that pelosi is signing members to committees? >> one thing you have to keep in mind, there are probably more assignable seats than are in the
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majority right now. so it's not shocking that some of these new members are finding themselves on exclusive committees like financial services, but also giving voice -- >> is she pairing liberals with liberals so they're fighting a liberal chair? >> no, i don't think that's the case as all. i think maxine waters is someone that sees eye-to-eye in many respects with a lot of the new members that are coming in as well. let's not forget, i mean, i think that the focus has been on a lot of the firebrand, ultra liberals from districts like mine or mike capuano or john conyers' old seat. i think it's important to remember that how democrats won the house of representatives was by appealing to moderate districts where republicans held those districts. >> and hitting on health care and kitchen table issues. i think that's an important point. you mentioned the attention. i got to ask you about that. you served a long time. we showed it. but you've been replaced there in your district by someone who is getting a lot of attention.
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congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez, also known as aoc. let's take a look at some of that since she won that seat. take a look. >> easily the most shocking result of this political season thus far, alexandria ocasio-cortez. >> she's looking at herself on television right now. >> alexandria ocasio-cortez. >> she has been in congress for less than a week and already freshman congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez seems to be stealing some of the spotlight. >> you want folks to underestimate you? >> absolutely. that's how i won my primary. >> you've said very positive things about her. how does it feel now being out of it and watching someone in your seat immediately get sort of this much attention and is it overdone? >> well, i think part of it is because she beat me. so i take some, you know, i take some solace in that. >> explain. >> i was important enough that people actually took note of someone beating me. >> when eric cantor lost, he was in leadership, he was a big figure. you were a big figure in leadership. beating someone as big as you.
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>> i think that didn't happen overnight for me. it should 20 years -- i should say 16 years or 14 points to get to that leadership. it's important to say i didn't underestimate her. i appreciate her point about that. it was -- there were a lot of factors that went into the race and probably more time that we've had to talk about that, but i wish her well and i want her to do well. i want to do well on behalf of my constituents and for the country as well. >> i appreciate that. i haven't heard that point put that way before regarding the attention that it got, being a leadership position. i don't want you to go anywhere because i know you're from queens. >> yeah. >> we have a "fallback friday" with hopefully a new friend of yours, a friend of ours. >> i'm looking forward to it. >> havoc from mob deep from queens bridge joins the congressman from queens. what's up? nice to see you. >> yes, yes. >> you know former congressman crowley. when we come back. an crowley. when we come back. ign makes it beautiful. state of the art technology makes it brilliant. the visionary lexus nx. lease the 2019 nx 300 for $359 a month
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it's friday on "the beat" so you know it's time to fall back. i'm joined by two new york city heavyweights, both from the greater burrow of queens. recording artist and rapper havoc, who was part of the legendary mob deep, one of the most successful rap duos in history. 40 million records sold. three gold albums. kapow. and a powerhouse democrat i was introducing in our last segment, former congressman, joe crowley >> thanks for having me. >> great to be with havoc.
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two musicians from queens. >> you represented the bronx and part of queens and you represented queens bridge. >> queens bridge, all day. long island city. >> so great to have you together. >> i represented queens bridge for about six years. >> and did you get to reminisce? >> i couldn't believe he was from woodside. i went to junior high school in his neighborhood. >> there it is. bring it all back to "the beat." who needs to fall back, havoc? >> laura ingram needs to fall back. >> about the hamilton thing? >> i heard she was saying something about the black actors in "hamilton" wasn't a good depiction of, you know, america's history or something like that. i mean, the whole play is a history lesson, you know what i'm saying? the people can be green for all i care in the whole play, but the whole play even teaches you more history than we learned in the schools. and it's a real beautiful play. laura ingraham needs to fall
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back, you know what i mean? and just fall back. this is ridiculous. >> we'll tell her you said so. i saw in the notes she was doing this in an attempt to discuss the controversy over blackface. one of the fascinating things about "hamilton" is you never in hundreds of years of history see actors portraying the founding fathers that way. it seemed to be lin-manuel's brilliance to help everyone feel included in that. >> exactly. that is the brilliance of the play, to include everybody, not to let anybody feel left out, and that's america. >> identifying with those people as well, george washington or thomas jefferson. how does a young black person or latino identify with them? but when they start singing like them and talking like they do -- >> and looking at the ideas, they were imperfect because of all the racism of the era, but how do we also teach the
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complexity of that to young people? i spent a lot of time reading the founding fathers because that's what you do no high school, i would tell people save money and go see "hamilton." who needs to fall back on your list. >> federal, city and state officials need to fall back on the amazon issue. the notion they're going to pull out of this queens deal has me nervous. i signed on to a letter when it was 50,000 jobs. they've halved it to 25,000. that should be a reason to not want to have them come now. >> even with the criticisms of amazon, this is an important way to get people jobs in the city? >> we banked for diversification in new york city after the near collapse of our economy in 2008. we were overly emphasized on financial services jobs. mike bloomberg comes in and says we have to diversify. the growth potential for tech jobs in queens and in the city is -- is limitless. so here's a great opportunity to really -- to begin that real
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diversification, and i think to pooh-pooh that right now is a big, big mistake for our city. >> crazy. >> didn't nas say i'm out for presidents to represent me? >> yeah, buddy. >> but, you know, congressman, presidents is a reference to -- do you know what it's a reference to? >> havoc, you tell him. >> you're about to school me on it. >> that's nas. don't worry, i'll tell you later. >> dead presidents is a slang reference to money. and you want -- >> got you. >> you want the people in your community to actually get jobs with money. nothing wrong with that. i got 45 seconds. who else is on your fall back list? >> the shutdown is on my fall back list. president trump, he owned it. he said he would take the mantle. now all of a sudden he's holding all federal workers hostage like the democrats got something to do with it. when he said that he would own it. >> can you believe he still says, oh, he might do it again? >> i mean, come on, man? again? like, come on now. that would be retarded. >> or, you know, another way to
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say it, that would be a terrible idea. >> terrible idea. sorry for that. i mean, that would be a terrible idea. it's hurting families. people are losing their houses over this. they have to stand in food lines and soup kitchens. i mean, this is our government. >> i'm told we're over on time and i don't want to go late to "hardball." congressman crowley, havoc from mob deep, thank you to both of you. we will be right back. shelfie! the great-tasting nutrition of ensure. with up to 30 grams of protein and 26 vitamins and minerals! ensure. for strength and energy.
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