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been talking about this, i want to be the first to say it and shoot me if you got it, miley cyrus killed it last night with dolly parton. >> i thought the reason we were ending your show early is because you wanted to -- there is a whole new show of the things that just happen in the commercials and before and after. >> i will see you at 5:00, everyone. >> we must use this moment to move forward, that is the message from house speaker nancy pelosi this hour. congressman omar said money was driving u.s. politicians to defend israel saying it was all
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about the benjamins, maybe. moments ago congresswoman omar said listening and learning and standing strong. joining me with more on that is kacie hunt. this thing unrolled with some great speed in the last 24 hours. >> that's right it has, we went from these kweets to con them nation very quickly to con semination of her own caucus including the chairman of the judiciary committee and the entirety of the democratic leadership, so here is what omar released, she said anti-semitism is real and i'm glad for the colleagues educating me.
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i never intended to offend anyone, we have to step back and think through criticism, this is why i unequivocally apologize. at the same time i reaffirm the problem of politics, it has gone on too long and we must be willing to address it. specifically about the way in which she framed this. jerry nadler referred to this as a deeply disappointing use of troeps that refer to people and money. >> all right, i have a sense of this apology at the bottom she says i reaffirm the problematic role of lobbyists in our -- i assume after speaking with
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everyone that she has spoken that she issued an apology that will tlend, but she stend, but t cause her problems. >> i think because she said i unequivocally apologize. i have seen some comments, i try to be careful how much weight i give to reactions to something on twitter, i have seen mean hear more, she is focused strictly on the question of anti-semitism. this is not the first time that she has been criticized for remarks considered antise met-s. she said that israel hypnotized
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the world. this has continued to be an issue for her since then. >> thank you, casey hunt, stay close i will come back to you in a few minutes to talk about the shut down looming. >> indeed we do. >> 2020 is looking like a record shattering year. the democratic party looks more diverse than ever and we're seeing different approaches. moments ago senate eor klobucha released a video where she appears to take aim at both parties in congress. >> we're tired of the shut downs, gridlock and grand standing. together let's set our sights on the challenges among us. look up, look at each other, and look ahead. >> this leads to our big
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question, which road will the democrats take to 2020, will they choose a moderate, a progressive, one key trait is viability. according to this polling, 56% of democrats or democratic laning independents prefer someone strong against donald trump even if doesn't perfectly align on all of the issues. this is something important to discuss. joining me now, with us is matt bennet, he served in the clinton white house as a deputy assistant. i don't want to create false arguments where there aren't, i think people can hold both thoughts in their mind that they want someone with whom they can
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agree, but how do you address this particular issue. there is division among people that consider themselves democrats. >> i think it is a little bit of both. we saw it, we have data, we stay in 2018 on november 6th when democrats took back the house and wanted upper mid western states, they were able to take back some state legislatures and chambers and that was impressive because of the energy out there. a lot of it was bold new ideas and they wanted to make thorough there was a check on trump. i think it is both. this is one poll but we have data on what voters want. >> yeah, among versus women that
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want to put policy aside to nominate someone that can beat trump. women show a lead. more men wanted to not put their policy aside, let's look at another graph that shows democrats identifying as liberal and you're seeing that blue line, the liberal line, you're seeing the democratic political ideology that are about securing liberal. we spoke to son conservatives that say if you nominate a moderate, you have more chance of getting moderate voters including some republicans that are fed up with donald trump, is that a viable way to think about this? >> i don't want to take advice from republicans, but -- >> to i understand, but to the extent that they're looking in some cases to vote for someone
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that is not donald trump, is that worth considering? >> sure, and i think to corrine's point, 23 million people voted in the democratic primaries. in some states independents voted as well. the people they chose were the people that had the best chance of beating the republicans. they did that in spades. 33 of those 40 were endorsed by the new pact. people had an instinct that that would be who played better and you saw that in the governor's races. states that if democrats can win again they're almost season. >> kind of everybody believes we need a better health care system
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than we have for now. there are a lot of americans that just want an improvement over what we have now. how do you play that. it was the number one issue for democrats in the last election, but it wasn't about medicare for all, it was about republicans trying to repeal obama care. >> right, it was that as well. we have to work con the details. but when you put it out there, medicare for all they want that and that is the fact that you see it in poll after poll. even if you look at the 2020 years, they are, you know, most of them agree on texasing the very wealthiy. most of them agree on the green new deal. and most of them agree on a form
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of single payer. there is more that puts us together than that divides us. people want to put food on their table. what you're seeing is more folks talking about it. all of those things are important. >> to the extent that some of the issues -- i come from canada. but it almost feels like they can stand out more because of folks rounding out on the left, remember there is usually not a ton of dailt, medicare for all
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is different from medicare for some. and maybe some have endorsed the full on single payer. but i think the big difference that may end up being decisive for voters next year is do they want a candidate focused on an aspirational optimistic future, but do they like someone that is a fighter and more angry. you could make a rational argument for either way but that may be more decisive. >> that is an interesting distinction. >> i think it is all of them. i think it can be the fight and that will be a key for all of these candidates. regardless of a dozen or 20, but they have to show all of that,
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the base does want to be inspired. they want to see if we can beat trump. are you the candidate there that can win in -- >> isn't that something they have to ask themselves, right? no one questions their competen competence, right? the question is what can i offer that someone else can offer better. >> right, and i think that is exactly right. that is what you're seeing in klobuch klobuchar's announcement, and cory booker. i think in order to beat trump we have to be bold and we have to put forth really strong issues. we can't play on the republican's turf because that hurts us. >> now, in just a few hours we're going to see dualing
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rallies in el paso, texas. joining me now is texas's own msnbc's garth haake. what is going on down there? >> i just walked out of a news conference here, not attended by beto o'rourke, and essentially all of the officials here and they all condemned how the president has been talking about their community. his comments about el paso being unsafe and being untrue. and they are so worried that the county commissioners and the county judge passed this resolution today in which they say they are disillusioned by
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his lies regarding the border and the committee. i have not seen such an unwelcoming committee for the president and one of his rallies for a long time. it shows you how up set they were about his mention of el paso in the state of the union speech. it could draw thousands of people to the current elected officials and i asked escobar about that in her press conference and here is what she said. >> this is his opportunity to truly see the community and frankly his opportunity to see the consequences of policies that his administration put in place that many of us have deemed rule, ineffective, and inappropriate. >> what do you want him to take away? >> that his lies will not go
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unchallenged. >> you will hear a lot of that kind of language tonight and from the other speakers here. and the shut down debate about the border wall, this will really be the center of the political june verse. when the president speaks about the policy and just about half a block away he leads this really they will walk in the shadow of the fence that exists here, and it will be ground zero for the whole debate right here in el paso, texas tonight. >> california governor gavin newsome will be pulling back all national guard members that have been put on the border. they will be redeployed to fight wildfires and gathering intelligence on drug cartels. mr. trump authorized the use of
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we may have a new clue what is at the heart of the mueller investigation. a transcript of a closed door hearing, the piece says they suggest that the special council continues two pursue one theory. people were discussing deals to end a deal going into ukraine and give moscow relief from economic sanctions imposed by the united states and alliealli. they are still pursuing if there was a question between russia and the trump campaign. it's what everyone thought was central to the investigation,
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and we veered and boppbbed and weaved all over the place. the rush shsians pursuing polic beneficial to them was central to their support of donald trump in the election. >> ae, that is a theory and not just the legal cases, but the charges against paul manafort, but they're not related to that but his lobbies for pro russian interests. but we're in a position where the hearing even occurred at all because he breached his cooperation agreement. the judge was asking why would
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he lie about this meeting with the long term deputy of his, and that is when his team showed their cards just a little bit. and they say that gets to the heart of what we're investigating, why would russia take such a risky bet meddling in the election on behalf of trump unless they thought they would get something from president trump. this might be part of that effort to find out what they could potentially get from president trump. >>. >> you say leading them to impose punishments for moscow -- mr. trump seems skeptical that
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it was necessary or effective and that it limited business opportunities with russia two aides were pursuing sprat power projects. was he a shell of a candidate that matched the foreign policy aides? they believe this was the candidate that would give them the best chance of achieving
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their foreign policy objectives. we don't know if they had any explicit reason to believe that and that is why this is sort of an aside. it was certainly the first time that manafort, a credible figure, but had been not related to the central question here of russian medaling, so this aside here truck us as really potentially revelatory. >> it is really very thorough and i recommend that people read it. okay, up next, as the president goes to el pass toe for a rally tonight, their border demands are gathering with the opens of
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lawmakers in charge are meeting behind closed doors trying to work out a deal before funding runs out on friday. it would be the second time this year, the fit time in this administration. there is a sign the two sides are still far apart. it has been just over two weeks since america's longest government shut down ended with only four full dates of congress left. negotiations have fallen through again, and this time for more reasons than just money for a border wall. at the center of the issue now is a disagreement about the number of spaces that u.s. enforcement and customs is able to hold. in the last round of negotiations, last month, the white house requested 4.2 billion dollars for 52,000 beds.
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democrats are proposing to cap the number of beds to 16500. they say it will force the administration to prioritize deportation for criminals and people that pose real security threats. republicans believe that the demand is arbitrary and will allow criminals to roam freely. >> left to our own devices i think they can have an agreement on time by friday. >> i think we're on a positive trajectory now. >> the chancing of another government shut down are -- >> nil or next to nil. >> we cannot rule out a government shut down this week. >> let's talk about the idea that we could be facing a shut down again at the end of this week. >> i think what you're hearing is 50/50, but that is 50% hope,
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50% not. kacie, you're always in a better position than we are to judge how these movements affect the likely outcome. in your handicapping, what does it look like? >> i think what this means ali is that democrats are essentially shooting down what republicans are hoping will be the solution to this crisis which was that we were hearing a one year long continual funding, a punt on this border security debate, right? so they got to the point saying we don't want to do what they want to do on beds, they would rather have a one year deal. democrats are not hearing the message that that will not fly for them. it does, i think make a shut down more likely because it takes one of the options off of
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the table as we try to figure all of that out. we could do a shorter deal. they try to apply themselves, so they decide if there is zero appetite for the shut down. they want to talk about it for a few more weeks, they could get that done and they could do it really quickly. they could do it friday at 11:59 and get it through dock pretty quick. however. if, and i can see this becoming more likely as these tom kndomi fall, you could see a point where one side or the other says i can't negotiate with you, we
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will just shut down and see where the chips will fall. certainly the sources that i have talked to think that the democrats have overplayed their hand here. they acknowledge that the democrats won the messaging war, and they were willing to give on this, but this is a bridge too far and the hard line people in the white house are saying no way. they may feel that they are holding the in many ways this insuperior enforcement question, this has always been part of the discussion, what changed is that it became a breaking point in the negotiations, and this policy is more important to immigration advocates than the wall has ever been.
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so the last option is that maybe it will get restarted, but as of you and i standing here talking at this very moment, it's not clear how we get out of it. >> casekacie, thank you for sit in for me on thursday. the viewers always enjoy you. even as negotiations are under way this hour, trump is on his way to a campaign rally, he called the city one of our nation's most dangerous cities before fencing was built there and she expected to tie the low crime rate and the border barrier as an example of why walls work. but according to a report violent crime peaked in 1993. they did not authorize funding for the border barrier in el
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paso until 2006. the city's crime rate was already half of it's peak. there was a slight uptick in violent crime right after the completion. el paso's most up-to-date crime rate was less than 400 incidents per 100,000 people. that is not the highest in the country. but that didn't stop him from using it as an example of how well a wall works. >> el paso texas used to have very high rated of violent crime. one of the highest in the entire country. immediately upon it's building with a powerful barrier in place, el paso is one of the safest cities in our country.
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>> there is a way he could have said that without making it a complete lie, he said immediately upon it's building, joining me is veronica escobar who represents el paso, texas. good to see you with us. the president is helping you out here, he even has republicans in el paso a little frustrated. he is telling a story that is not helping the story for the lie. >> he has to lie to the american public this way because he has to make americans believe that border communities, i'm grant communities, are inherently bad and unsafe and a wall makes them better. when in fact if he acknowledged the truth, which is that -- and el paso is not an anomaly, that
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most border communities are safe and vibrant places, regardless of the wall, but he has to lie to the public. ken paxton, our attorney, the word is that the president got this misinformation from the texas ag. the texas ag should be ashamed of himself for betraying a community that he represents at the state level. the community of el paso, texas. >> you know a lot about this issue, not just from being from there, but you were a judge. you have a deep understanding of crime, immigration, walls, and you have thoughts about what needs to happen to repair our broken immigration system. it's broken but not necessarily for the reasons that the president says, but texas is ground zero for figuring out the best way to deal with immigration. what do you want people talking
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about? >> our local law enforcement agencies long ago, around the same time that we became safe that you opponepointed out, we d in community policing. they build trust with them and work seamlessly. that is when el pass sew first started becoming safe. when we look at the challenges we face, we are dealing with a significant challenge of our communities. the ball pushes them out to more dangerous crossings, and they are legally here to request asylum protection.
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until we address what is happening in the northern triangle. until we make investments of leadership and time and help create safe zones for these families they're going to keep coming, and crewelty which is what we have seen through the trump determination, the elpaso processing center. we have detainees that are being force fed that we believe is store churn. many of us don't believe it should be the response but we should work with central americ american. >> and legal migrants, by definition not illegal, and that makes you part of the legal process but the congressman does tend to infuse that.
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get into the details let's go through a few definitions. ai performs tasks that humans would do. what is an algorithm, it is a set of instructions. so what is the president going to sign? the president. the goals at the moment are vague. it is not expected to give a dollar amount to that push. it will task groups for greating guidelines with ethical use of artificial intelligence.
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they will look at ways to create jobs. the order is expected to glancingly address ai issues. they said instead they would collaborate with partners without compromising any technological edge, jacob ward joins me with more on this. it is not clear what this executive order will do, it is clear that it is becoming more and more part of our daily lives. >> yeah, i'm really glad that we're talking about this today. this is a really important one. you see it's effects all through your life in the interactions with apps to websites. private companies are doing an incredible job to pick patterns out of our behavior. that is base kwla it is, a
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pattern recognition system. looking at millions and millions of pictures, guys that make hiring decisions together, so the fact that he is signing an executive order is really important. >> you can always see what is good and what is bad. they can figure out traffic and the speed of things. do you have more fear or more opt nism about the role it will play in our world? >> i would say that i'm nervous we don't really think them through, and because it is america we like to make a lot of money off of new ideas. so the movement forward the private nichetives in ai have been incredibly powerful. in this case the thing that i think is incredibly positive is
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this just in, the senate testimony from the president's former personal attorney michael cohen has been delayed. cohen's attorneys just released this statement -- the senate select committee on intelligence has accepted mr. cohen's request to postponement of tomorrow's hearing due to postsurgery medical needs. a future date will be announced by the committee. last week we learned cohen's testimony before the house intelligence committee was also postponed until later this month. a two-year investigation is examining how illegal guns get on to american streets. what they found is surprisingly simple. many of the weapons come from gun store break-ins. the report is from "the new yorker" and the trace and says, most gun stores face no legal requirements to secure the weapons they show. the reporters tracked a group of
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suspects from north carolina, accused of stealing more than 200 firearms over the span of four months. public records connect those stolen guns to dozens of crimes, including two murders. here's security footage from some of those burglaries. joining me now is one of the reporters from this piece. brian fresco is from the trace and covers gun trafficking and has been working on this investigation the last two years. i'm a little amazed. i would assume if you're a gun dealer, you have to subject yourself -- there must be rules that are stronger for you than there are for regular people. you have to remember it's not just gun stores, gun dealers operate out of their own homes in many cases. >> yeah, they do. that is one of the things we were surprised to learn as well when we first started looking into this. but there are only four states actually that require security requirements of some sort. most of the country they're not beholden to any kind of requirements at all and they can cooperate, if they wish, without so much as a lock on the door.
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>> you said there are four states that is stronger rules. this seems like an obvious thing to start with, right? if we can stop people from stealing guns from gun stores, according to your reporting, that would actually move the needle? >> yeah. what we found is new jersey is one of those states, and new jersey has some of the toughest laws on the books. they require gun stores to lock up their guns at night after they close for business, and they have to install alarms and they have to tell the state police how they're going to meet all of the security requirements the state laws out before they open for business and actually get the state police to sign off on those plans. and what we saw in new jersey is that over the last six years, they've had three guns stolen and burglaries, where as north carolina, where our story was centered, they had more than 1,400 stolen over that same period. >> i just want to read from the story, you tell the story of a
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guy named cruz scott in north carolina, you say, he knew he could make money selling guns to people with criminal records who couldn't buy them legally. he knew which broupds, glock, beretta, were coveted on the street. most important, he new gun stores in north carolina had knew security precautions, which made stealing them easy. he said, quote, it's like taking candy from a baby scott told me. >> yes, scott and his two accomplishes, he worked with his cousin and childhood friend of his and he would go and case out some of these stores beforehand. by case out, i mean in one store they would drove up and whb jumped out and looked in the windows and saw the guns were left out and display cases after hours, they went back later that night and broke in the store and ran off with i think around 30, 40 guns. so they knew that this was an issue. they knew that they could break into these stores. a lot of times they were in and out in under a minute, under 60 seconds, and in one case, the
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one face where they actually took their time, it took them around 4 1/2 minutes and the reason they took their time is because no alarm went off so they literally just sat around and loaded their bags with guns. they stole more than 70. >> wow, 577 burglaries of gunshots were from federal firearm licensees in 2018, 63,000 gun dealers in america, more than twice the number of mcdonald's and starbucks combined. brian, thank you, our reporter at the trace, nonprofit journalist outfit devoted to gun-related news here in the united states. tates. get going with carnation breakfast essentials®. it has protein, plus 21 vitamins and minerals including calcium and vitamin d, to help your family be their best. carnation breakfast essentials®.
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that wraps up this hour for me. "deadline: white house" with nicolle wallace starts right now. , everyone. it's 4:00 in new york. brand-new reporting suggests special counsel robert mueller may have evidence of possible collusion between the trump campaign and russia and that the investigation into a conspiracy or quid pro quo between donald trump's campaign and the russians is alive and kicking. testimony from one of mueller's top deputies delivered behind closed doors and in front of a judge in paul manafort's case is a kindle unicorn sighting. it's a rare transcript of a former prosecutor describing in his own words one of the investigative theories around the question of conspiracy. that theory, according to "the times" analysis, quote, started
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