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as mueller gets a new boss, maybe as soon as today. we're also watching deal day on this v-day. congress making moves to get that border barrier deal over the line. as the president reluctantly gets ready to sign on the dotted line. what he might do after that that has some fellow republicans wincing already. we've got our team set up and ready to go on a busy news morning. and we start with that extraordinary interview. former fbi deputy director andrew mccabe tells cbs news why he decided to launch investigations into president trump just hours after the president fired james comey. >> how long was it after that that you decided to start the obstruction of justice and counterintelligence investigations involving the president? >> i think the next day i met with the team investigating the russia cases. and i asked the team to go back and conduct an assessment to determine where are we with these efforts and what steps do we need to take going forward?
i was very concerned i was able to put the russia case on absolutely solid ground in an indelible fashion that were i removed quickly or reassigned or fired that the case could not be closed or vanish in the night without a trace. >> mccabe's previewing the release of his new book in which he describes how he tried to protect the fbi's investigation into russian election interference. writing candidly about president trump, every day brings a new low, he says, with the president exposing himself as a deliberate liar who will say whatever he pleases to get whatever he wants. if he orp the box at quantico, he would break the machine. my colleague kelly o'donnell joins us from the white house. ken dilanian is with us as well. greg braugher who worked with mccabe joins us and paul butler, and professor at georgetown law school. a.b. stoddard and aaron blake,
senior political reporter for "the washington post" is also here. write that down because the gang is all here. and kelly, i'm going to give you first dibs. president trump almost inevitably came out and tweeted against andrew mccabe. you could have predicted it the second mccabe appeared on "60 minutes." >> it feels like the first wave. as mccabe does these appearances, expect the president to track that with his own countermessage. as mccabe raises issues that can pose some serious questions about what was going on around the comey firing and the president's conduct, so, too, will the president take shots at andrew mccabe. here's kind of a sample of what he said today referring to him as the disgraced fbi acting director, pretends to be a poor little angel when he was a big part of the, as the president described it, crooked hillary scandal and the russia hoax. another jab here, a puppet for leaking james comey. he's layering in the sort of
frustration here. the ig report on mccabe was devastating. part of an insurance policy in case i won. insurance policy in quotes, and then this is what we've heard from the president before. many top fbi brass were fired, forced to leave or left and then goes back to the allegation that mccabe's wife who was a candidate for office had received money from terry mcauliffe. he refers to that as clinton people. he gave hillary a pass. mccabe is a disgrace to the country and to the fbi. make america great again. so that is chock full of layers of the president's messaging on this. hitting comey, hitting mccabe, hitting the institution of the fbi. and we will expect to hear more of this and the president's supporters grab onto it. his detractors look to mccabe as one of the people from the inside trying to protect the record at a minimum and keep an investigation going so that the public would ultimately know what was going on and what was behind the firing of james comey and did it mean something more?
hallie? >> kelly ododge'donnell, thank . ken, we're hearing from the department of justice pushing back on pieces of mccabe's book. there was like a counting of the noses happening, right, as it related to potentially removing president trump from office. >> yeah, this is a very complicated situation, hallie. you have andrew mccabe, a compelling, articulate witness, but also a tainted witness. because he has found to have lied or had lack of candor by an independent inspector general report and rod rosenstein viewed by many people as a protector of the mueller investigation is out with a statement today challenging mccabe's account of where mccabe says rosenstein wanted to invoke the 25th amendment and essentially consider removing president trump from office and also this question of whether rosenstein urged someone to wear a wire to record the president in the oval office in an incriminating
fashion. rosenstein has said he was joking about that. and he points out in a statement in a shot at mccabe that mccabe did not tell the truth, according to the inspector general. we also have devin nunes, the ranking member of the house intelligence committee explaining his take on the rosenstein situation. i think we have some sound. let's take a listen to that. >> look. we've tried to bring rod rosenstein before congress so that he can be under oath to answer these questions so we only know what's been leaked to the press. so you have a he said/she said in this case. but look, any talk of the 25th amendment is outrageous. >> so mccabe, you know is a controversial person within the fbi and outside of the fbi. but he is saying some fascinating things today that we're all going to pay attention to, hallie. >> that is for sure, ken. ken dilanian, thank you. let me bring in somebody who worked with andrew mccabe. greg broaugher. you know this man. what do you make of what he's
been doing talking about this so publicly today. >> good morning, hallie. as ken indicated, this is fascinating and complicated. i did work closely with andy mccabe at the fbi. i knew him to be a very smart, very meticulous, very dedicated fbi agent. and i would imagine, i fully expect that what he's talking about with respect to his interactions with the president and with doj officials was likely documented in notes that he took contemporaneously and also likely did share the details with a small group of other fbi officials in realtime. and so while his critics will point to the oig report and, of course, that report is, frankly, very damaging to his credibility, i have to think that with respect to these issues and these events, his version of events has to be taken very seriously.
>> let me play a bit more of what he had to say to scott pelley who did the interview for "60 minutes" and talked more about it. >> there was a discussion under way about removing the president of the united states. >> they were counting noses. they were not asking cabinet members whether they would vote for or against removing the president, but they were speculating. this person would be with us. that person would not be. and they were counting noses in that effort. it was also said at a previous time that the deputy attorney general rod rosenstein offered to wear a wire into the white house to record potentially incriminating conversations with the president. a statement was released after that that that was never serious, it was sarcastic, et cetera. mccabe in our interview says, no, it came up more than once, and it was so serious that he took it to the lawyers at the fbi to discuss it.
>> and greg, this speaks to the idea that perhaps mccabe has these contemporaneous notes to back this up. i remember when this was all breaking several months ago, the doj came out and said he was being sarcastic. the white house pushed back on this hard. >> right. and having worked very closely with both andy mccabe and rod rosenstein, i can tell you that they are both smart, credible people who seem to have differing accounts of the same events in this situation. but i will tell you that with respect to mccabe, i can't tell you how many meetings i was in with him and his practice was to take copious notes about virtually everything that was being said in those meetings. that was his normal routine, and i have to imagine that whether it was in these meetings or immediately afterwards, he was also documenting what happened in his notebooks. and so there's certainly more to come here. >> our team on capitol hill has just gotten reaction on this from senator lindsey graham. i don't know what he said.
we're going to play it and listen to what he said and then paul but lerks we'll get reaction from you. >> we're definitely going to speak to andrew mccabe and the whole crowd about what happened during the 2016 election. mr. mueller is doing a very deep dive into the trump campaign and anything they they have done wrong. my democratic friends don't seem very interested in the abuses that i've seen. nobody has looked at the fisa warrant abuse. i certainly will be doing that. >> thank you, senator. >> so, paul if you listen to the chairman of the judiciary committee, this may be the first time we're hearing from mccabe on camera like this, but sounds like congress wants to hear from him more. >> they should. his revelations are both shocking and oddly familiar. shocking because the director of the fbi believed that there was credible evidence that the president of the united states might be a double agent working on behalf of a foreign, hostile power. oddly familiar because we already know that donald trump
is the subject of the mueller investigation. the heart of the mueller investigation is about national security. we already know that russians were working very hard doing illegal acts to get donald trump in the oval office. the question is whether there were people in the trump campaign who were conspiring with those russians, possibly including donald trump. >> a.b., aaron? >> i think it's going to be easy for the president to jump all over mccabe and say he's a proven liar. it's part of the deep state but to greg's point, rod rosenstein is still there. he has something left to lose. at this point, andrew mccabe's interview with scott pelley is compelling because he has nothing left to lose. he is still saying that the experts in law enforcement and intelligence felt that the president was potentially obstructing justice in realtime and they had to begin an investigation, and i'll finish with the memory that with just days of the firing of comey, he
did tell russian officials in the oval office he'd gotten rid of himself and relieved great pressure. >> mccabe has credibility issues. we have to take all these things into consideration, what people's motives are, et cetera. i think, though, if you look at the statement rod rosenstein and the department of justice put out this morning, it's another kind of nondenial based -- similar to the one they put out before. he said he did not authorize anyone to wear a wire. the claim was that they talked about it. it was run up the flag pole, not that it was authorized. he also said he was not in a position to invoke the 25th amendment which is also not the claim. the claim is that they talked about and that it was serious. so i think if this were not true, we might see a more stronger denial from rosenstein on this one. >> stuck around. paul butler, thank you. greg brower, thank you. we are keeping an eye on the senate floor. as we talk about what's going on in the doj, the senate is
expected to vote on bill barr's nom thags. you know if he's confirmed, he'll become attorney general, for the second time, by the way, and he'll decide how much of robert mueller's findings will be included in a final report to congress. former prosecutors involved in a different historic and high-profile investigation are sounding the alarm about barr. let me bring in tim form er assistant u.s. attorney in maryland and he investigated spiro agnew. thanks for being with us, tim. >> thank you for having me. >> i want to talk about your op-ed but get your reaction to the news we've heard from andrew mccabe, the revelations he has provided to "60 minutes" in his new book. what do you make of it all? >> it's hard to make much of it. i can tell you one thing, i'm a great admirer of rod rosenstein. he was one of my successors when i became united states attorney. he was one of my successors. and he did a wonderful job as u.s. attorney, and i'm a great admirer of the courageous job he's done as the deputy under
these very stressful circumstances. >> and now there may be a new leader. the expectation is coming in to the department of justice. bill barr, if, in fact, he's confirmed, that will move ahead that move on capitol hill. we've been showing live pictures of what's going on, on the hill. and, tim, you are writing in this new op-ed about the attorney general at the time of your investigation into spiro agnew. explain how important it was that ag richardson protected your investigation. the historical context and why that's so important to understand today. >> watergate was in full bloom when we uncovered the evidence that agnew was also corrupt. and there were attempts not only to obstruct watergate but there were attempts right in the white house between involving agnew and nixon and hague and others to thwart obstruct and impede our investigation. and, fortunately, elliott richardson was our attorney general, not somebody like john mitchell. and richardson not only
protected us, but involved us and then -- and then performed so admirably as attorney general. elliott richardson sets the gold standard for what we should expect and require from an attorney general. and i'm disappointed that william barr does not seem to be willing to live up to that. he has declined to follow richardson's example and promised the senate judiciary committee and the american people that he will release the special counsel's report from robert mueller when it comes in. instead, he wants to look at it and edit it and that's just -- should be unacceptable. the senate should require him to release that report to the senate, to the congress and most of all to the american people. so that we will know what mueller found out. >> tim baker, i appreciate you
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senate first, on a compromised budget deal. one day before the government shutdown deadline. senate majority leader mitch mcconnell said the vote will happen later. no word is like specifically when later means. the senate goes first in the house and then heads to the president's desk. he's still not saying for sure whether he'll sign the deal. our nbc first read team frames its they way. all main, no gain. donald trump ends up with the same border deal he once rejected. $1.375 billion for 55 miles of new border barrier. let's break that down. it means no concrete wall or other trump wall prototypes but it would allow those steel slats the president has said he likes. there's a $1.7 billion increase for the department of homeland security and border security. more than $500 million for port inspection. and port of entry construction and customs officers, funding for 40,000 detention beds as well. kasie hunt is over on capitol hill. as we are hearing now from some
of the lawmakers on the hill, there's no expectation that even if the president does sign this thing it's the end of the story, right? >> that's certainly true. the white house and the president has needed to feel as though there are other ways to try and get what he wants at his disposal if, in fact, he's going to sign it. but i have to tell you, what just unfolded on the senate floor captures the day on the hill today, as well as the mood for the entire country. and that is senator chuck grassley who opened up the senate floor this morning with the pledge of allegiance. before he did that, he prayed. he said, let's all pray that the president has the wisdom to sign the bill. so that is really where we are. >> wow. >> with republicans literally delivering prayers that this is what the president does. >> they are actually asking the lord to help them with the president's mind-set here. >> yes. >> really, you cover the president every day. i mean, how else can you
convince him to do something that you want him to do? so i just thought that captured the day quite succinctly and brilliantly. for a lengthier update on where things stand, one of my colleagues caught up with richard shelby, the lead republican negotiator who has been talking with the white house. here is how he characterized the state playoff. >> i talked to the president last night. i talked to the vice president about 15 minutes ago. i didn't -- we talked about the merits of what we are and i told him i knew it was not a catch all deal but that it was a down payment. it was a multiyear deal. i thought he could go from there. and hoped he would. >> you think he'll sign it? >> i didn't ask him that straight up. we are just hoping he will. the indications are that he will, but we'll see. >> so we've got hoping, praying.
i think it's interesting he pointed out he didn't ask the president directly. it's almost as though nobody wants to put that question directly to him for fear that the answer might be no. but again, you and all of our colleagues at the white house have been reporting the indications are the president is going to sign it. fingers crossed. we expect everything to play out late into the evening here. the house of representatives has lost two esteemed members of its body this week. many of the members are away for funerals, not back to vote until late tonight. but safe to say everyone here, cross fingers, prayers, hopes, that's what you got today, hallie. >> cross fingers, cross toes, cross arms, cross legs as well. kasie, thank you. a.b. and aaron. the president will likely, barring any surprises, go ahead and sign this thing. he seems to be working to convince conservatives, the people who tanked the last deal that it is something he should sign. "the new york times" reports he was on the phone with lou dobbs,
sean hannity trying to tell them, this is what we're going to do, how i feel about it and why you should back it. >> his pride is not the only thing on the line. his political capital is on the line. the idea he'd come out of this fight with basically a worse deal than he started with, that $1.6 billion that was on the table coming out of the senate committee in november. the idea that he would actually have taken a step back after all of this is the kind of thing that would lead us to believe that this is a weakened president. and so, you know, it seems somewhat thin-skinned and petty to be reaching out to the conservative pundits and saying, you know, believe in this deal. don't hit me too hard. but it does matter to him because he has such a completely focused base strategy. >> and you can see where the wall money deals have gone over the last month, over the last several months, a year or so, a.b. >> it's just so interesting to see the banners up at the rally, finish the wall, that he's both trying to change the conversation to convince his
base that the wall is under construction, which it is not. so it's all fine no matter what this deal comes up with in terms of funds. and at the same time, intent, dig in on a fight about the wall from now until 2020. go into military construction and disaster funds which will spark both a legal backlash and a challenge and a political backlash. and speaking of that, they were on talking about specifically that. the idea that the president, as we've been saying, this is not the end of the story because all indications are from our sources inside the white house, from things the president has said publicly himself, he'll take some kind of execute uf action to get more money for this wall. here's the reaction from her on that. >> i think he needs to tread lightly here. he's gotten a fair amount of pushback on capitol hill about the precedent that would be set if he were to declare a national emergency. not so much in the way he'd frame it in terms of national security here with the immigration issue. however, what could be
characterized as a national emergency in the future. >> and a distinction between a national emergency which the president could declare, which is less likely and the likelihood he does something else. >> each of them carries political cost. the idea they'll divert funding would take it away from disaster relief in places like puerto rico and texas. >> projects that some republicans like and want and are in their districts. >> the fact they're getting in front of this is telling. they don't want the national emergency. i think they're probably reluctant about moving funds around because of the president. that may create, it's just kind of a mess and the president was trying to save face here. >> if you are a republican who was once in a safe seat you are facing headwinds in a presidential year next year and you brought home the bacon with the constitutional power of the purse as a member of congress and that project money is going to be talken away from your constituents, you'll have a big problem with this. >> a.b. and aaron, stick around for a little longer. stick around because tonight, speaking of the border, chris
hayes is live from el paso. he joined by correspondents all along the u.s./mexico border to take an unprecedented look at what's happening on the ground. watch "all in america -- live at the border" on msnbc. president trump's re-election campaign seems to be laser focused on three democrats in particular. we'll tack about who the president and his team consider the democratic front-runner. washington today says farewell to someone who knew this town well. you are looking live at a memorial service for former congressman john dingell. this is happening at holy trinity church in georgetown. the 92-year-old democrat served more years in congress than any other american ever. he died last week in his beloved home state of michigan. i don't keep track of regrets. i never count the wrinkles. and i don't add up the years. but what i do count on,
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participate in those debates. that is going to be something to watch. heading into those, senator kamala harris has the edge somewhere else. on social media. more than 16 million interactions on facebook and twitter. she's followed by senators warren and sanders, former congressman beto o'rourke and joe biden round out the top five. as axios points out, president trump showed unmatched ability to generate online attention in 2016. for this campaign, he has a potential rival in kamala harris. and that may be partly why the trump campaign is zeroing in on harris along with booker and warren. they're under the belief they are probably the most viable competitors at this early stage of the game. i'm joined by felipe reinas, a.b. stoddard and aaron blake are back with us. what do you make that they are focussing in on harris, warren, booker. >> that doesn't seem particularly insightful to me.
>> there's like 15 who are probably going to run. >> they should probably be looking hard at all 15 because the democratic field includes many who can beat donald trump. i think if they are only looking at who is in front of them, please continue that. that would be great for the democratic party. >> their reporting the president is personally concerned about joe biden. do you think he's the one they should be most concerned about? >> it's hard to say. not hedging, but i think there are probably four or five nominees in this batch. and there are a couple profits. i think he should be afraid about the fact he's just not doing his job and what he is doing is terrible. the american peep don't like it. and it's very possible that he could be beat by any number of these people. >> the biden factor is interesting. we have reporting on his timeline. my colleague here at msnbc news mike memly is very well sourced inside biden world and reports it looks like biden will make a decision, he's telling allies, by early to mid-march. he's been offering percentages, right, of how likely he is that he will run when he is in these conversations. it's looking more likely than
not he'll run. working the phones. talking to these folks. here's the grain of salt, right? we've seen these deadlines for biden come and go before. and this is somebody who had a speech ready to go in 2016 ahead of that campaign. never gave it when he decided ultimately not to run. but he is the -- can you say hanging chad? >> and if you look back at what happened in 2016, what he said after that whole thing was that he just didn't have it in him at that point. it was not something that he was ready to do. unless you're able to commit yourself fully to this campaign, you shouldn't do it. you you have to look at the situation right now and say, let's say he is 60% of the way there. 70% of the way there. other people are in this race right now. they are running, getting attention. you have to wonder if even that little bit of hesitation is going to be something he looks at when the time comes to make a decision and says if i'm not 100% right now, then i shouldn't be in this race. >> felipe is a democrat so he has to say they're all great biy
the greatest threat to the president. he's seeking a more centrist voice because everyone in so far is progressive except for senator klobuchar who is fighting off accusations about being a tyrant with her staff. so biden is still the heavyweight. if you look at the polling, he consistently polls surprisingly well because so far polls are showing the voters in the primary electorate are most focused on electability. >> you raise an interesting point and are gently call -- >> it's every democrat's job to say they're all great. >> i can say whatever i want. >> i've heard this from sources that say the idea that truly people believe, they're not out there attacking each other. the dems are saying we're all buds. you see some of them retweeting others and their announcements. they're this one big happy family. jane tim is writing about, yeah,
they're all pals right now but that ends at some point, right? >> i worked for hillary clinton when she was a senator and running against four of her colleagues, edwards, obama, dodd and biden. i'd always think of the jerry maguire scene, it's show business, not show friends. they watch each other like hawks and make insusure they don't mi votes or hearings. in this case you have several on the same committee including booker, harris and klobuchar. it's an interesting dynamic. we always take for granted you say all these names in one shot. they may not know each other. of course booker and harris know each other. no one may have met pete buttigieg until they're on the debate stage together. it's an interesting dynamic. in the end, hillary clinton and barack obama went from colleagues to fierce opponents
to her losing to her being his secretary of state. so, and on the biden point, it's not the worst thing to take your time. in biden's case, he's someone who has done this twice. the people who have run are the ones who are most sober about what it takes. and he met with hillary clinton last week in her house here in washington. and i think -- >> to solicit advice? >> they've all been talking. they've run against each other, with each other. >> what advice did she give him? >> i don't know that it was advice. it's just two people who, you put your feet back and we know what this is like. it's tough. but i think it's good to be clear eyed and sober minded about it. she's meeting with whoever wants to meet with her. >> real quick, who else? >> senator klobuchar last week. she's met with harris, booker, castro. i'm going to get killed for not -- >> like the sounding board? >> anyone who wants to meet with her. >> felipe, thanks for coming on. after the break, president trump's doctor has given him a clean bill of health, but the
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so earlier this morning we heard former fbi director -- deputy director andrew mccabe explain why he felt it was so important to protect the inve investigation into russian election interference. while we were listening to that, we've been following a big development in that very investigation that has a lot of people asking why. why would paul manafort lie repeatedly after pleading guilty and agreeing to cooperate with prosecutors? nbc's tom winter is joining me from new york. a.b. and aaron are back, too. i want to ask about manafort, which is a case you've been following every twist and turn of since the beginning. i want to go back to this andrew mccabe story that's going down because in just the last couple of moments, andrea mitchell sat down with the vice president. they are traveling overseas. vice president pence is over there. this is breaking, it just happened. but the vice president, mike pence, told nbc news in this exclusive interview today, there he is, live overseas, that he had never heard any discussion of the 25th amendment and said,
frankly, i find any suggestion of it to be absurd. he went on to list what he called the president's accomplishments and said i could not be more proud to stand with him and the words or writings of a disgraced fbi agent in the words of pence won't change that fact for the american people. i want to gettior reaction to what we heard from the vice president. unsurprisingly, defending his boss and taking a dig at mccabe. >> so i think two things. i saw the president's tweet regarding andy mccabe's comments. they mix five or six different investigations. there's -- it's riddled with inaccuracies. so i didn't quite understand the president's tweets fully this morning. i get where he was going but didn't quite fit the facts of what we know. with respect to what the vice president said about being a disgraced fbi agent, i think that's an adjective that i think what we have to go back to are the facts. and the facts are this. andy mccabe was dismissed from the fbi. the inspector general found that
he lacked candor were the specific words in the interviews with the inspector general. and this has to go back to -- we're going back several years now, hallie. inspector general's report into leaks, into the handling of the clinton e-mail server investigation. a possibility of a second investigation involving the clinton foundation. and in the course of that investigation, just to give you a sense of what the inspector general found, found that andy mccabe picked up the phone and called the assistant director of the fbi, bill sweeney, and complained about leaks coming from the fbi field office. as the inspector general writes, the assistant director here in new york told andy mccabe and reminded him some of the things in an article that appeared in "the wall street journal" were, in fact, things that nobody in the new york field office would know. and the inspector general found that, in fact, andy mccabe was the person on the phone with "the wall street journal" and was talking to them about the story.
it's an anecdote. it doesn't mean that everything that andy mccabe has put in this book, everything that he says is not true. of course it doesn't mean that. but as we evaluate somebody's statements as we evaluate their assertions, something that you do on this program every single morning, we just have to keep in mind that there is an inspector general report that says that this person lacked candor and did refer that for a criminal prosecution. so just things to keep in mind as we value and assess somebody's statements. >> mark warner also talked about that. said he's not going to speak about any individual witness that may be coming back in front of senate intel. i think it's important to talk more broadly about the russia investigation itself and this idea that paul manafort, as you reported overnight, has now, you know, he lied again and again to the special counsel's office, right? even though we had this plea deal that would have protected him. can you tell us why? why would he do that? >> yeah, i don't quite understand it, hallie. he not only lied to the special counsel's office. he lied to federal agents.
and also the judge found based on the preponderance of the evidence that he lied to a grand jury. he hit the trifecta there. i don't understand why you would do this. at the point where he was at and the cooperation agreement that he signed, he could bare his soul. he was totally limited at the things he could say. it was a great deal for him. would have gotten him out of a lot of heat in d.c. they would have asked for a downwartd reduction in his sentence. and for someone of paul manafort's age, looking at all the years he could do in prison, it could essentially be a life sentence. so i don't understand why you wouldn't be truthful. he disputes he wasn't truthful, but the judge found that he wasn't. so that ends that story. i don't understand why he would do this. is he covering for a meeting that occurred? is he scared about something else coming out? does he not want to try to upset the president? we just don't have enough
details yet, hallie, about this meeting to quite understand the meeting with constantine kilimnik to understand what that may have been all about and how that may impact the overall investigation. it's just, there's a few too many unknowns at this point. >> tom winter, always a pleasure. thank you. coming up -- six days since the president's annual physical and some folks are questioning why we still don't know the results. as we found out, is six days really that long of a wait? that's next. alright, let's get going! and you want to make sure to aim it. i'm aiming it. ohhhhhhh! i ordered it for everyone. [laughing] (dad vo) we got the biggest subaru to help bring our family together. i'm just resting my eyes. (dad vo) even though we're generations apart. what a day. i just love those kids. (avo) presenting the all-new three-row subaru ascent. wave to grandma, everybody. (avo) love is now bigger than ever.
some things happen just about every year. you celebrate valentine's day, you do your taxes. if you're the president, you head over to walter reed for a checkup. it's been six days since that happened for president trump. some people are wondering about that timing. some people like dick cheney's long-time cardiologist. is that criticism warranted? we looked at the numbers and it doesn't seem like this timing is all that unusual. it took four days for the release from president trump's exam last year. going back further with former president obama in 2016 it took eight days. the physical happened in
february and the results weren't released until march 8th. in 2012 his physical happened in the month of may but it wasn't released until june 12th. sometimes they exams happen and get released with the information on the same day, like a lot of times in george w. bush's case but that's not a hard and fast rule. joining us, former president obama's physician before he was in the white house, dr. david shiner. thank you for being with us. we thought it was important to lay out the facts, and the context since this question has come up. what do physicians look for in these exams and what is the process of looking at this data, getting the results and so on? is. >> first of all, all the data would be available in less than 24 hours. but on an annual examination, because it varies now. doctors don't like to exam patients anymore. i'm hoping that he had a real physical examination. most of the time doctors do a hit and miss exam.
but i think you should -- i exam patients from the top of their head to the bottom of their feet. you can do a complete exam in ten minutes and cover everything, you really can, but you zero in on certain things. for example, in a man who's overweight, you would take particular interest to see if his liver is enlarged because with obesity comes fatty liver. also you want to see if the fat he has is distributed in the midsection, because that adds to the cardiovascular risk. you would also particularly, since he's had high cholesterol, be very careful to check all of his blood vessels to make sure that he doesn't have any occlusive vascular disease. it's difficult -- the other thing, neurological examination would be important, too, although i don't do it ordinarily, he's had some difficulties with word-finding. i'm a little concerned about that.
>> you -- >> i'm sorry. >> i'm sorry, doctor. we have a bit of a delay back and forth from your studio to mine. presidents typically get exams or physicals every year or every couple years. i think president obama had four, at least publicly released, for the time he was in office. should people get yearly physicals, even if you're not a president, on a regular basis and what should you ask your doctor? >> if he were my patient i wouldn't wait a year between examinations. at 70 years of age, obesity, poor dietary habits, lack of exercise, he has some risk factors. and i think given that, i would probably see him every three or four months because you cannot change somebody's lifestyle just seeing them for a short while once a year. i think he needs to be seen by a physician on a regular basis. and at age 72 -- the routine physical examination in a
younger person isn't that relevant, but at his age and given some of his risk factors, i think he should be seen more often. for example, his cholesterol -- his medication was raised. did they recheck cholesterol three months after they raised the dose? they should. he needs closer follow-up. once a year is not enough. >> got it. and i think his results from last year, his physical results, showed he was right around that -- just under the sort of overweight, just above that level of bmi. >> they added an inch to his height so that his bmi wasn't in the obese class. >> yeah. i think there are questions around that. doctor, thank you very much. i appreciate you being on with us. we want to get back to the morning's top story. the comments from the former acting director of the fbi, andrew mccabe, saying there were conversations inside the department about invoking the 25th amendment to remove president trump from office. vice president mike pence has spoken exclusively with our own andrea mitchell who is traveling with him on assignment in
poland. we want to play that for you no you. >> i couldn't be more proud that at president trump's direction the united states of america was the first nation on earth to recognize the legitimate president of venezuela. the courageous young man and the national assembly behind him is taking a stand for democracy, the rule of law and constitutional government in venezuela and the america people are standing with him. thanks to the president's leadership, now more than 40 countries -- find any suggestion to be absurd. look at what this president has accomplished in two short years in office. we rebuild his military. he provided leadership on the world stage. this literally created a new alignment across the arab world that you see in high relief at this conference. he'll be meeting in two weeks for the second time with chairman kim in north korea towards denuclearization. we're in discussions this week with china to recast our trading
relationship with that economy so it's mosh fair and a level playing field for american workers. here at home more than 5 million jobs,s a record number of conservatives appointed to our courts. this president has been producing for the american people and i couldn't be more proud to stand with him and the words of the writings of the disgraced fbi agent won't change that fact for the american people. >> you had never heard of this before? >> i never heard any discussion of the 25th amendment by members of this government and i would never expect to. >> so, obviously andrea talking to the vp about the president of venezuela but the bite of importance to us is the disgraced fbi agent. the administration has come out strongly, president trump coming out on full blast as our show was getting started. >> this is the debate they want to have because mccabe is a wounded foe for them. the vice president wasn't
addressing what mccabe said. he was just saying the 25th amendment wasn't warranted. rosenstein doesn't seem to be denying that. >> why would the president have heard about this discussion if it was happening from people below -- >> it would never get to the level of even the vice president because they would know the vice president would tell the president about it unless they were assured -- they had some reason to believe he wouldn't bring that to him. >> we'll hear more from administration officials. one of the hallmarks of the trump presidency is sometimes bad news covers up and rescues the team from the other bad news. the story of the day is the paul manafort news. the fact he continues to lie about his collusion with russians, wittingly or unwittingly throughout the cam and the fact he's willing to extend his prison sentence for this kind of deception. i think that's a much bigger story than mccabe but the mccabe news gives the president and his team a point to continuously point out he's a liar and got
let go. >> a pleasure to have you both on. thank you for hanging out with us. before we go, we'll do something a little different. typically we bring you a big picture but today we thought the bigger picture is what happened one year ago today when 17 lives were lost in parkland, florida. we're marking the one-year anniversary for one of the country's deadliest school shootings, and a look back at the day that shook the country. some footage is disturbing but on this day, of all days, it's important to reflect on exactly what happened one year ago. >> we have breaking news. bear with us because we don't have much information at this time but there are reports of a school shooting in parkland, florida. >> [ bleep ]! oh, my god! >> kids and teachers hiding in horror under desks. inside closets. parents rushing to find their children. >> she was sending us texts, like saying, i love you, i'm sorry and all that because she
didn't think she was going to make it. >> 17 people are confirmed dead in a mass shooting at a high school in south florida. >> i saw two girls dead next to each other holding hands. >> fear turns to anger as another american community is forced to come to grips with another shooting. >> i know your best friend was shot right next to you. >> yeah. >> do you know how she's doing? >> yeah. unfortunately, she didn't make it. >> i just spent the last two hours putting the burial arrangements for my daughter, who's 14. >> are you okay, honey? >> i'm okay. thank you. >> we're failing our children. we're not keeping them safe and congress is failing us and the government is failing us. >> we don't need ideas. we need action. we need actions from our public officials and civic public because without that this is going to happen again. >> so, let's talk about action.
what action has happened in the last year? according to t"the new york times" and washington post, 26 states passed a total of 76 gun control laws. there hasn't been much movement on the national level although there was a movement of young people, youth voter registration surged. registration among voters younger than 30 went up 8% in florida, 2% nationally. those students today are being let away and a moment to remember the victims of the parkland school shooting. they are pausing to remember them and so are we. i'll turn it over to my colleague, craig melvin. >> good to see you. craig melvin here. msnbc headquarters, new york city. every day brings a new low. those words from andrew mccabe, the former deputy director of the fbi and a frequent target of president trump sounding off