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according to t"the new york times" and washington post, 26 states passed a total of 76 gun control laws. there hasn't been much movement on the national level although there was a movement of young people, youth voter registration surged. registration among voters younger than 30 went up 8% in florida, 2% nationally. those students today are being let away and a moment to remember the victims of the parkland school shooting. they are pausing to remember them and so are we. i'll turn it over to my colleague, craig melvin. >> good to see you. craig melvin here. msnbc headquarters, new york city. every day brings a new low. those words from andrew mccabe, the former deputy director of the fbi and a frequent target of president trump sounding off about the white house in a new
book. the gloves are off. also, pardon me? a judge says former campaign chairman paul manafort lied to robert mueller. is he playing for a pardon? we'll dig into that. and 2020. trump zeros in. a new report looking at who president trump fears most as a possible 2020 democratic opponent. we'll get to those stories in just a moment. but we start with that andrew mccabe memoir. president trump lashing out just a short time ago at the acting fbi director who was fired, quote, disgraced fbi acting director andrew mccabe pretends to be a poor little angel when in fact he was a big part of the crooked hillary scandal and the russia hoax. a puppet for leaking james comey. an insurance policy in case i won. mccabe's tell-all released next week, "60 minutes" released an excerpt from the first interview
with andrew mccabe, detailing the tumultuous weeks of the trump investigation and there was a question whether that investigation would survive president trump and his mafia-like attempts to safeguard his presidency. >> i wanted to make sure our case was on solid ground and if somebody came in behind me and closed it and tried to walk away from it, they would not be able to do that without creating a record of why they made that decision. >> the book's title tells you everything you need to know about mccabe's opinion of donald trump. "the threat: how the fbi protects america in the age of terror and trump." one exempt published this morning mccabe compares the president to a mobster, just as his former boss did, james comey. the president and his men were trying to work me the way a criminal brigade would operate. he also writes, every day brings a new low, with the president
exposing himself as a deliberate liar who will say whatever he pleases to get whatever he wants. if he were on the box, that's another name for a lie detector machine, at quantico, he would break the machine. i'm joined by pete williams, nbc's justice correspondent, glenn, msnbc legal analyst, former federal prosecutor, jake sherman with politico is with me and so is clint watts, msnbc national security analyst and a former fbi agent. pete, i'll start with you. the justice department has apparently responded to what mccabe has reportedly said. what's doj saying? >> well, first i have to -- i have to explain what they're responding to before i tell you what the response is. there's -- we have not seen the excerpts from the book about this. we have heard cds describe what mccabe says. according to that, mccabe repeats something that had been earlier reported, namely mccabe had a meeting with rod
rosenstein and according to mccain, rosenstein suggested someone from the fbi should wear a recording device, a wire, when they're around the president to secretly record the president and that mccabe also -- or, rather, that rosenstein also suggested invoking the 25th amendment which lays out a process for removing a president while in office. the justice department pushes back against that saying this, the deputy attorney general never authorized any recording that mr. mccabe references. and as the deputy has previously said, based on his personal dealings with the president, there was no basis to invoke the 25th amendment nor was the d.a.g., deputy attorney general, in the position to consider invoking the 25th amendment. let me show you what mccabe says. according to the excerpts that were in the atlantic, mccabe says that he and rosenstein talked together about whether a special counsel should be
appointed. here's what the justice department's statement says about that. the deputy attorney general never spoke to mr. comey about appointing a special counsel. the deputy attorney general, in fact, appointed special counsel mueller and directed that mr. mccabe be removed from any participation in that the russia investigation. now, that last thing, we believe this is the first time that that's ever been said. there's always been a question whether when mueller took over the investigation, whether that effectively took mccabe out of the role of supervising the investigation. that's always been our assumption. but here's the justice department saying on the record that, in fact, mccabe was removed from any participation in the russia investigation when mueller was appointed. >> pete, let's go back here for a moment to this -- this comment about being on the box. if the president were on the box at quantico, he would break the machine. what do we make of that?
>> well, as you said, when he's saying on the box, he's talking about a lie detector. this is a consistent theme from the excerpts we've seen where he says the president doesn't tell the truth. >> clint mccabe fired for what the justice department calls a lack of candor, lying, basically, on four separate occasions. three of those occasions under oath. do you consider andrew mccabe trustworthy? >> i do. i think in terms of the circumstances and the way we see essentially every person that might challenge the administration, in public, through tweets, through firings, going after anyone tied to the investigation, i believe mccabe's account from the details that i know right now. what i do find interesting is the debates between rosenstein -- it sounds like between rosenstein and mccabe about what to do next. i can't trust people inside this building. rosenstein i've always felt just from the outside he must have gotten set up to be the fall guy
for the comey firing. how do you negotiate through this. there were other remarkable points in this. the president calling andrew mccabe on an unsecure phone. i mean, this, to me, you know, from counterintelligence perspective is like alarm bells. how many phone calls has the president made on unsecured lines that could have been intercepted from abroad? as far as the deliberations, i wonder about the 25th amendment discussion has been popping up and down. based on the rules, it doesn't seem like that's a likely way to go to remove the president, but what is it that keeps prompting them to think they need to go to maybe someone should wear a wire? maybe the 25th amendment should be invoked. we need a special counsel. is there something so serious that we just don't know about here in the public that created such alarm between these gentlemen that when they find ways to move forward they went to extreme measures. >> mccabe goes on the record for the first time talking about whether rosenstein was joking when he suggested wearing a
wire. this is how scott pelley at cbs, this is how scott characterizes mccabe's comments. >> it was also said at a previous time that the deputy attorney general, rod rosenstein, offered to wear a wire into the white house to record potentially incriminating conversations with the president. a statement was released after that that was never serious. it was sarcastic, et cetera. mccabe in our interview says, no, it came up more than once and it was so serious that he took it to the lawyers at the fbi to discuss it. >> sources have previously told nbc news that rosenstein was joking when he mentioned wearing a wire. whom do you believe, glenn? >> well, i believe pete williams reporting because what he just did is he told us what the president of justice official party line is in that press release. what did they say? they said deputy attorney
general rod rosenstein never authorized anyone to wear a recording device. what can we infer from that? that it was a topic that was debated probably long, hard and seriously, but it was never authorized. i think that's actually an important tell in the way the department of justice chose to word that president release. and, you know, the president has been shown over and over again to be prone to lying, so i was one of the people who wasn't at all surprised when we first began to learn that rod rosenstein and others in the department and the bureau were debating whether they should wear a wire to protect themselves when they were in one-on-one communications with the president because we know that the president's lawyers, the way they characterized the president's conversation with comey, sometimes they say the president told comey to lay off flynn, sometimes they say the president didn't tell comey to
lay off flynn. why wouldn't somebody want to protect themselves under those circumstances if they were going into a conversation with the president? >> clint, what do mccabe's comments mean for an obstruction of justice inquiry? >> yeah. it's fascinating. mccabe, i think that doj statement that mccabe was essentially removed from the investigation points to the obstruction of justice angle, because they want him -- he's essentially a witness in the obstruction of justice case. they're trying to move him out of that and they basically confirmed that, as pete said. i'm fascinated by what the incoming attorney general will do when he sees all of this evidence put forward. we've seen the attorney general -- incoming attorney general barr essentially say this isn't authorized, you can't have obstruction of justice. the president can do what he wants. but he's not seeing any of the evidence that has come forward to this case. what you see here is a consistent pattern from the president, whether it's comey, mccabe, struck, paige, anyone
that could be a challenge being either targeted or removed from that investigation or pursued in some way. i'm fascinating by how this sort of plays out on obstruction of justice. the collusion angle, which we saw with manafort yesterday is playing out, but we've heard very little in terms of how this will go. i think it will be decided between special counsel mueller and the new incoming attorney general. >> jake, one of the -- one of the items from the exsempt hacet continues to get a fair amount of attention, mccabe's comments on justice officials talking about the 25th amendment, basically a way to remove president trump. again, this is how scott pelley who interviewed mccabe, this is how he characterized those comments. >> there were meetings at the justice department in which it was discussed whether the vice president and a majority of the cabinet could be brought together to remove the president of the united states under the 25th amendment. >> there was a discussion under way about removing the president
of the united states. >> they were counting noses. they were not asking cabinet members whether they would vote for or against removing the president, but they were speculating this person would be with us, that person would not be and they were counting noses in that effort. >> that's wild, jake sherman. what are trump's defenders on the hill likely to do with that kind of information? >> well, first of all, it's, of course, noteworthy that senior justice department officials were discussing removing the president. there's no doubt about that. it is a bit of fan fiction, though. i mean, there is virtually no chance that a majority of the president's cabinet would vote -- would be in favor of removing him from office under the current circumstances. so, yes, newsworthy. no, not realistic. number two, two things are going to happen i think in the coming days and weeks. i think you'll have republicans like lindsey graham who just came out and said, i might call
mccabe in front of the judiciary committee and there's almost no doubt in my mind and john dingell's funeral is ongoing in washington so things are paused at the moment. there's no doubt in my mind, democrats will call him in front of committees, get him under oath, on television. you'll see republicans on the senate side try to discredit in many ways mccabe and ask him about various complaints the trump administration has about him. in my estimation, that will be what happened. on this side, the house side of chamber where democrats are in control, there's almost no doubt they'll drag him in front under oath and talk about all of these things. why did you think the president was unfit for office? talk about the russia investigation. why did you feel it was necessary to have a paper trail? again, this is just part of the drum beat that happens when the democrats -- since the democrats have taken the majority will be wire-to-wire up until the 2020 election, investigations, hearings, under oath on live television and that's the dynamic in washington that the president will have to contend
with. by the way, once the shutdown is more -- or the government funding fight is over, there's more oxygen for things like that. so, that's the reality that the -- the political reality and the legislative reality the president will have to contend with. >> and the released excerpts, glenn, mccabe also talks about the president's attacks on his wife. again, according to the excerpts of the memoir released, quote, the president brought up the subject of my wife. jill had run unsuccessfully for the virginia state senate back in 2015. he said, president trump, how's your wife? i said, she's fine. he said, yeah, that must have been really tough. to lose. to be a loser. mccabe said that he took notes that very day so that he could have an accurate record of the conversations he had with the president. why would someone like andrew mccabe do that, glenn? >> to try to preserve in real time as best he could precisely
what was said by the president because we have all seen it in his tweets and public statements. there seems to be no level to which this president will not stoop. when you start to make comments like that, you know, at best they're smart alecy, at worst they begin to smell like the things that organized crime co-conspirators say, that's a lovely wife you have there. it would be a shame if something happened to her. i don't know how we have endured this for so long and it doesn't surprise me at all that thoughtful, career, department of justice and fbi officials were debating how they deal with somebody who may be a compromised president and the 25th amendment came up. that doesn't surprise me at all. given what we've come to learn. >> glenn, thank you. jake, thank you on the hill. and clint, thank you. andrew mccabe will, on the "today" show tuesday morning to talk about that book.
right now we want to take you to a solemn event. jake just mentioned it. this is the memorial service for former congressman john dingell in washington, d.c. ist happening right now. there's democratic leader steny hoyer speaking. some of the biggest names ever to serve in politics are there. bill clinton is there, hillary clinton, john boehner also there at that service, current congressional leaders. icon, congressman john lewis in attendance, a few minutes ago lewis called the famously tall dingell a giant of congress and lauded him for his support of the 1964 civil rights bill. >> john did not run from his decision or try to explain away his vote. he stood on the courage of his conviction and won that primary by 5,000 votes. people respect him when you
stand up for what you believe. >> john dingell holds the record as the longest serving congressman. he took office in 1955 when dwight eisenhower was president. he represented michigan until 2015. he spent 59 years in the lower chamber. pardon me, a judge just delivering a big win for robert mueller's team in its case against paul manafort. but could he have a pardon on his mind rather than a win in court? we'll look at that. plus, trump zeroing in. how the trump campaign plans to take on three democrats it sees as the top contenders in the 2020 primary. and power play? a new report that details accusations of emotional and psychological abuse from a big wig in the music industry. singer/songwriter ryan adams. singer/songwriter ryan adams health and fitness is a big part of my life.
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to jail for a very, very long time. the ranking democrat on the senate intelligent committee talked about manafort bad day in court wednesday. they say manafort's lies about connections with russia are not an isolated event. >> there's never been a campaign in american history that has had this many contacts with a foreign government and foreign activities. >> nbc investigative reporter tom winter joins me.
for folks who haven't been following this closely, how did manafort lose out on his plea deal? >> he broke one of the central parts of his plea agreement, which is he needed to provide honest and truthful testimony to the fbi, to any prosecutor in the department of justice. didn't just have to be the special counsel. if there was another investigation, he needed to speak truthfully to them. and, of course, if he provided the grand jury any testimony, that he needed to speak to the grand jury truthfully. the judge says he didn't do any of those three things. basically she's saying, hey, as it relates to the special counsel investigators, as it relates to the fbi, even as it relates to the grand jury, paul manafort in certain circumstances was not truthful. at that point the government is totally, and paul manafort signed this agreement, is totally within their rights to tear the whole thing up and say, okay, we'll bring in the fact that you pleaded guilty. we're bring in the fact that in the separate virginia case you admitted to doing all these things. and we don't have to give you a reduction on your sentence anymore because you blew the agreement. so, it's really damaging for
him. >> how are they able to prove that manafort was lying? >> so, basically they needed to go to the judge, which they did. they said, your honor, here is the 302 statement, the fbi summaries of interviews they did with other people, including his former business partner, rick gates, e-mail messages, text messages, here are things he should have known. then they hammered home the point saying, while he's been sitting in jail, leading up to the trial this past summer, we shared all this information with him and we know he read it. they say he should have been fully briefed. his attorney says he was going through a horrible period in his life, there was a real pressure to plead guilty as they were on essentially on the eve of trial. he couldn't have known all of these things and some of these things date back several years. the special counsel's office says we shared this with him already and he should have known. the judge found based on the preponderance of evidence that in three of the five
circumstances the special counsel's office cited that he did, in fact, lie. >> some have suggested the only possible explanation for why paul manafort would screw this up so badly, why he would lie and sacrifice his plea deal is because he expects he will get some sort of pardon. what's your sense of that? >> so, i've really avoided using the "p" word, the pardon word, leading up to this because i think it had been something -- totally analysts are totally within their rights to bring up that that could be a possibility. it's simply from a reporting aspect i've been hesitant to bring up because it hasn't been mentioned in any official proceeding or something mentioned by paul manafort's side until last week, when we were able to get a copy of a sealed hearing that occurred between manafort, his attorneys and prosecutors for robert mueller, where they raised the question of whether or not one of reasons why paul manafort may have been untruthful about things he said to rick gates, and unfortunately this is one of
the most heavily redacted sections of that transcript so we don't really have the full context of everything that paul manafort was talking about and what the government says he lied about, but we do know that federal prosecutors did bring up this idea that the only reason or maybe one of the reasons why he was not truthful is because he's seeking a pardon. so, i think that was an important step forward as far as raising that as a potential possibility. so, is he signaling, is manafort not cooperating in a certain area because he thinks he's going to get a pardon or is he signaling, i'm not giving up certain pieces of information so he might get a pardon? it raises some interesting questions. we continue to be behind because we're not involved in the investigation exactly where the special counsel stands on this. it's interesting they're raising this as a possibility. >> tom winter, thank you. during your reporting, breaking news coming in. the senate majority leader mitch mcconnell announcing there will be a vote taken an hour from now
on the nomination of william barr to attorney general. again, that vote expected to happen an hour from now. william barr could very well become the attorney general just a few hours from now. president trump taking on the 2020 democrats. his plan to go after three specific candidates and a democrat he sees as his biggest threat in this election. come here, babe.
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we are just 628 days away from the 2020 presidential election. while democrats have been gearing up, so too has trump re-election campaign. politico reporting the president's campaign is collecting opposition research on kamal lahair ris, elizabeth warren and cory booker while mr. trump himself has his eye on joe biden. let's bring in the two donnas. donna brazile, former chair of the democratic national committee and donna edwards, former democratic congresswoman from maryland, also contributing columnist for "the washington post." what a novel concept, the two donnas. this might be the beginning of something. >> it's called diva day, valentine's day. hey, i hope you got your wife
something special. don't get nothing stale off cvs, get something special. don't be cheap. don't be cheap. >> it's going to be that kind of segment here. >> yeah. >> first of all, before we get to my gift giving, i want to run through some of the comments president trump has made about those four democrats. president trump on elizabeth warren. i do think elizabeth warren has been hurt very badly with the po pocahontus. cory booker, i say no chance because i know him. on joe biden, you know, i'd like to see him run. i'd like to see him run. the president would be kamala harris. i think she had a little better opening act than the others. donna brazile, no harsh words for dam achharris, why not? >> i'm sure he'll try to figure
out a nickname but she hails from the same state as nancy pelosi so i would be careful trying to pin her in any hole. once again the president is majoring in the minors. i think the most important thing he can do is go back and look at previous presidents who have had to run be in a very crowded field and on the democratic side, our candidates are getting prepared to not just reach out to democrats but independents. the president's majoring in the minors. he should focus less on crowd sizes and focus on some of the substance that these democrats are talking about because he's going to have a hard time explaining the economy where you see a large significant of americans unable to have more than $400 at a time in their bank account. i think the president is going to wake up in 2020 and be surprised not just by the talent but also by the substance that he will hear from democratic candidates. >> donna edwards, before engaging in combat against
president trump, one of the contenders has to first secure the nomination. this is nbc's jane timm all the democrats, at least right now, seem to be getting along with each other. does it make sense with nearly a year to go for the iowa caucuses for the candidates to play so well together and to focus on the party's message, whatever that may be? >> i think each one of these candidates over the course of the 628 days is going to begin to distinguish themselves on policy. when it comes to health care, they'll put some meat on the bones of what they would do to transform our health care system, to bring low-cost prescription drugs to the american people. what does a green new deal mean? so many have embraced that, but solidly putting meat on the bones of what it will mean to tackle climate change. i think there's plenty of time
for that. you know, president trump is going to play by his same playbook. he is not going to change. sure, he'll come up with a nickname and a jab here or there. i don't think that has to be the lane democrats travel in but they have to distinguish themselves from each other and they can't do that on the low ground. they have to do it on the high ground. donna brazile, the green new deal that donna edwards just mentioned, we already heard the president ridicule it, criticize it. do we think the idea of a green new deal is something that will be galvanizing in a primary that could, perhaps, be divisive in a general? >> oh, absolutely. look, the american people, they are concerned about climate change. they're concerned about the impact it will have, not just on our health but our economy. while democrats are coming up with ideas to improve the lives of all americans, donald trump, as i keep saying, he's majoring in the minors. so i think this is a great issue to talk about during the primary but donna edwards also mentioned health care. that's going to be a key driver
of the conversation in 2020. look, i'm so excited by the number of women, the number of minorities who are running and the number of experienced candidates. we have a lot to choose from. on this valentine's day i'm sending everybody love. >> donna edwards, donna brazile, a big thanks to both of you. and my love to you as well. >> my love to you. >> happy valentine's day. >> yes, i got a gift and i didn't go to cvs. >> you're going to pay for that. >> yes. >> lawmakers, by the way, have just hours to pass a massive spending bill to avoid a second government shutdown. the current bill gives the president $1.4 billion for border fencing. by the way, that's close to the same amount offered to him by democrats in december before the shutdown. that's also a quarter of the $5.7 billion president trump originally demanded. republicans close to the process say president trump is likely to sign the bill and keep the government open, but perhaps declaring national emergency or redirect money to get the wall.
i'm joined now by msnbc mariana atencio she's at the border in mexico as tensions are high as migrants wait in a temporary shelter. what are you seeing at the border? >> reporter: craig, this is the rio sector of the border. there is no wall behind me. the rio grande acts as a natural barrier. on the u.s. side they're on high alert. check out the border patrol vehicles behind me. why? because here in mexico over 1800 members of the last migrant caravan arrived over a week ago with hopes of seeking asylum in the united states. but mexico isn't letting them roam freely here. these people are fenced in this factory-turn shelter. keep in mind, there's almost 300 children in there. yesterday tensions hit a breaking point. there was a riot that broke out inside. we were there as mexican
officials clamped down on this altercation. i was able to speak with a mom holding her 1-year-old baby boy as she told me she is desperate, she feels anguish and she feels like she's basically in jail while she waits to seek asylum. let's listen. to people who are watching this in the united states, what would you tell them about who you are and what you want? [ speaking foreign language ] >> reporter: she says they are humble people that just want an opportunity to get their children away from the violence. that, yes, there may be some bad apples in this caravan, but it's not everyone. mothers like her, craig, again she can't leave that shelter until she gets these papers in mexico, but all she wants is to
cross the international bridge behind me and seek refuge and asylum in the united states, but because of donald trump's remain in mexico policy, she's having to wait it out and wait it out behind a fence. craig? >> one more question here really quickly. the political uncertainty surrounding the wall, is it affecting people there along the border? >> reporter: yes, it is. in eagle pass, texas, we've been speaking to residents, to officials, and it's a mixed bag. a lot of people are concerned about this migrant caravan that showed up here. a lot of people also say this is part of the fluidity of this part of the border. a lot of folks have families on both sides of the border. but mainly i have to say, almost everyone here agrees that there is no real need for a wall because you have this river behind us that acts as a natural barrier. craig? >> mayor anna tonight chris hayes will be live from el paso, texas, joined
by correspondents along the southern border to take an unprecedented look at what's really happening there. watch tonight at 8:00 eastern only on msnbc. a bombshell new report about a prolific songwriter and singer. here's "the new york times" headline. ryan adams dangled success. women say they paid a price. i'll talk to the reporter who broke that story about the accusations of emotional and verbal abuse. for your heart...
a bombshell "new york times" report is accusing grammy-nominated singer/songwriter ryan adams of sexual misconduct. "the times" talked to several women, including mandy moore, and a dozen associates who described, quote, a pattern of manipulative behavior in which adams dangled career opportunities while simultaneously pursuing female artists for sex. in some cases, they said he would turn domineering and vengeful, jerking away his offers of support when spurned and subjecting women to emotional and verbal abuse and a-ha r that hasment in texts and social media. one of his accusers, a woman who was just 14 years old when she began explicit conversations with adams. in a statement to nbc news, adams says in part, i am not a
perfect man and i have made many mistakes. to anyone i have ever hurt, however unintentionally, i apologize deeply and unreservedly. but the that this article paints is upsettingly inaccurate. "new york times" writer melana ryzik joins us now. i know it took you about five months to work on this. how did you learn first of the allegations against mr. adams? >> this story has a lot of this kind of reporting for us started as an anonymous tip. we have a tips line and people use it. and as we started working on it, talking to folks in my music industry, my co-writer, joe coscarelli, it was clear there was a story there, a pattern of behavior, which is what we do when we do this kind of reporting. >> the response we've gotten from mr. adams here, in part, some of the claims exaggerated, some are outright false.
you stand by your reporting? >> absolutely. you know, he also denied the allegations within the story, most vociferously about the young woman who we call to her ava. we refer to her by her middle name because she was a minor. he said he did not recall any of the conversations but we have actually seen copious correspondence between them, including 3200 text messages. >> 3200? >> yes. >> i did the math. he would have been married to mandy moore at the same time this was going on. >> that's right. >> mandy moore, musician, of course, one of the stores of nbc's hit show "this is us," she said she paid a price, lashed out in ways that moore came to consider psychologically abusive. he would always tell me, you're not a real musician because you don't play an instrument. what more did you learn about
their rocky relationship? >> i think what's interesting about this story is it really talks about how, you know, abuse doesn't have to be physical and doesn't have to necessarily even be sexual to be harmful to people's career, which she experienced was emotional manipulation and controlling behavior that she felt damaged her ability to make music, in part, because ryan offered to work with her and then never did, never carried through on those promises. in the same way, you know, he jerked those opportunities away from other women. but also because he demeaned her. he demeaned her talent and that kind of thing gets under people's skin, it messes with their self-confidence and it becomes hard, you know, that kind of undermining, especially from someone you care about is hard to shake. >> it would seem as accusations in this me too era have not really hit the music world as hard as it's hit the movie industry or television specifically. why do you think that is? or do we know? >> i think that, you know, the music world is not as centralized a field, you know,
in terms of the forces of power as hollywood or tv or other media. but i think a lot of it has to do with the fact that it's a culture where, you know, sex, drugs and rock 'n' roll, that ethos has been normalized, that bounder-pushing behavior has been part of the industry. what's interesting about this story is, you know, ryan's behavior is an example of what a lot of women are saying is pervasive in the music industry. and until now people didn't think they could speak out about it. >> melana, it's a solid piece of reporting in "the new york times." thank you for coming in to debrief us on it. a day of remembrance in parkland, florida, one year after a gunman killed 17 people. i'll talk to one of the leaders of a florida teachers union about solutions he thinks are still needed to keep our schools safer. make us better people. with audible, you get more. two audible originals- exclusive titles you can't find anywhere else. plus a credit good for any audiobook and exclusive fitness and wellness programs.
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douglas high school in parkland, florida. 17 students and faculty members were killed. i'm joined now by frederick ingram, president of the florida education association. this is a bill that would expand an existing program that allows staff members who work outside the classroom to be armed. what are your thoughts on the initial bill? >> well, today -- and first of all, thank you for having me. but today should be a day about courage, conviction, and compassion. but it should also be about solutions. what we know is that arming teachers in the state of florida is not a real solution. it is the absolute wrong conversation that we should be having. we should be talking about mental health, about school counselors, about psychiatrists, and about the funding that it takes to make our schools safer. >> after the parkland shooting last year, as you know, the governor there in florida, governor scott, did take some action aimed at curbing gun
violence. legislation was passed in the sunshine state that would raise the minimum age to purchase a long gun from 18 to 21. to buy a gun, you would have to wait three days or until a background check is completed, whichever is longer. also bans bump stocks, those contraptions that attach to rifles that make it easier to fire a weapon faster. superintendents and sheriffs can train non-classroom school staff to carry guns on campus. did they go far enough in florida? >> we don't think so. what we need is a bigger, broader conversation. unfortunately the msd commission did some great work but unfortunately they did not have a teacher, a teacher's voice on that commission. so what is needed is still to talk to students, talk to teachers, and talk to parents about what they really want and what really needs to happen inside of our schools. so no, they haven't gone far
enough in terms of the overall funding. the legislatures is having the wrong conversation. they want to arm teachers or remove the prohibition for teachers to have guns on campus. that's the wrong conversation. we need to be talking about those things that are going to be interventions before a child or a young adult gets into a situation that they believe is going to be solved by bringing a gun to school and committing such a tragedy. >> on the point of teachers being armed in classrooms, to those that would say, frederick, that a good guy with a gun is the only defense against a bad guy with a gun, you would say what? >> there are so many unintended consequences as it relates to having a gun around kids. think about a kindergarten teacher in a play center at recess. there are things that happen in those classes, the unintended consequences of dropping a gun,
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that wraps up this hour of "msnbc live." i'll see you tomorrow morning on "today." "andrea mitchell reports" starts right now with my friend kristen welker. >> hi, craig. it's another busy one. on "andrea mitchell reports," the former director of the fbi says he was so concerned with the president after he fired james comey that top officials seriously discussed using the 25th amendment to remove president donald trump from office. >> i was very concerned that i was able to put the russia case on absolutely solid ground in an indelible fashion, that were i removed quickly or reassigned or fired, that the case could not be closed or vanish in the night without a trace. >> coming up, the first reaction from the vice president in an exclusive interview with andrea mitchell. saber-rattling.