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on here. you make each other tongue tied. is there a drinking going on during the commercial break? >> you are high on life. >> getting consensus. a ali realtime fact-check. >> i can't throw any shades with that because i can't read it through half the time. we are all special. >> we are all flawed beings. >> thanks guys, it is 2:00 p.m. in the east. the most controversial day of donald trump's presidency. following the firing of james comey, for the first time we are hearing how worried the most senior law enforcement officials in our country were about donald trump and russia. former acting director of the fbi and the man who took over after comey left, andrew mccabe
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sat down to preview his new book, "the threat," he describes the extreme measure he took to make sure the russia investigation would not disappear. >> i wanted to make sure that our case was on solid ground and if somebody came in behind me and closed it and tried to walk away from it, they would not be able to do that without creating a record of why they make that decision. >> you want a documentary record. >> that's right. >> that those investigations begun because you feared that they would be made to go away? >> yes, that's exactly right. >> mccabe added details to a timeline reporters have been piecing together for nearly new years. >> comey was fired on may 9th, the next day, the president called mccabe from an unsecured line while mccabe was meeting with a senior staff. mccabe says the president
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bragged how many he claims were happy with the firing. this is what it is like, you can go to any floor and you will see small groups gathering hallway. some people even crying. the integrity of his conduct and now we are laboreriing the same shadow creeping over washington during the few months donald trump had been in office. mccabe came on describing two days later. mccabe -- rosenstein asked my thoughts about whether we needed a special counsel to oversees the russia case. i thought it would help the russian investigation. later that day, rosenstein again, this is the gist of what i said. >> i feel strongly that the investigation will be best served by having a special counsel. i have been thinking about the
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clinton e-mail case and how we got twisted in knots about how to announce the results. had we appointed a special counsel in the clinton's case, we may not be in the present situation. robert mueller, high level meeting at the fbi and doj. this may be the most explosive part of the book about removing the president using the 25th amendment. >> there were meetings at the justice department in which it was discussed whether the vice president and a majority of the cabinet could be brought together to remove the president of the united states. th these were the eight days of comey firing to the point of robert mueller was appointed special counsel. the highest level of american law enforcement were trying to figure out what to do with the
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president. >> they were counting notes. they were not asking cabinet members whether they would vote for or against or removing the president but they were speculating this person would be with us or that person would not be. both rosenstein and the president pushing back on mccabe tells all. who's telling the truth about those eight days in may? joining me now is our national security reporter, ken dilanian. white house reporter and msnbc political analyst, jonathan lemire and assistant attorney general, harry littman. again, ken, we have been talking about this and reporters have been piecing together this timeline including yourself now for two years, mccabe, is adding interesting details and talking about the 25th amouendment, tha
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was reported from "the new york time." the doj is pushing back on that. mccabe is standing firm, no, rosenstein was not joking about wearing a wire to meet with the president of the united states. >> yes, the doj is pushing back and they never authorized anyone to wear a wire. they did not say it was discussed. it was well confirmed. this is an absolutely fascinating account. what's particularly interesting to me and what's new is mccabe make a decision to open an obstruction of justice investigation in addition to counter intelligence investigations reported a few weeks ago. all of this he was doing to make sure these investigations could not be made to go away. it would be interesting to know why he felt there was a risk of that happening. i find it fascinating about his comments for the need of special counsel because they did not want to be in a position that comey is in announcing a result where charges were not filed
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against clinton. we may be entering a similar phase. mueller does not end up charging a conspiracy case. the rule says he has to file a confidential report. it is not clear how mueller or the attorney general would communicate to the public if they found negligent or misconduct or wrong doing or people around him that did not rise to the level of the crime. we are facing similar situation. >> let's put it up on our screen. the timeline of that eight days in may and what we know. we have james comeyfi's firing may 9th. after that president trump tells reporters that comey was not doing a good job on may 10th. that same day during an oval office meeting, donald trump told officials that comey was a nut job and firing him had taken great pressure off of him.
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on may 11th, donald trump told nbc news that russia played a role in a decision of firing comey. everybody was happy of firing james holmes james comey. we did not know quite as much details and it is according to mccabe about how the special counsel came to be and how mccabe and senior staff was about the president of the united states, at least in firsthand account. >> mccabe is describing the situation where he saw james comey fired. you are right, we knew some of this. we heard the president and members of his staff talked about how comey was unpopular of
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the fbi, they would make that claim and people telling him they were happy and the counsels in the building suggested that was not the case. comey was well-liked and respected in there. the 25th amendment was significant to say the least. there has been some reporting that members of the cabinet cig macig signalled they would go along with it. john kelly, later became the chief of staff. that's remarkable as well. the white house is pushing strongly back against this and part of what they are doing is attacking mccabe's credibility. >> he led the inspector general and that was referred to a criminal probe. they're raising questions about mccabe and whether he's a trust worthy narrater about this. >> it is interesting of we have seen come out of the white house verses the doj.
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it has been a series of firings at top officials there. each one of them, the president -- each one of them have had something to do with this investigation and the president's unhappiness. >> even sessions was unhappy because he recused himself from the russia probe. they all come back to the president's idea of what the law enforcement agency should be doing. he believes it should be protecting him. he believes it should be his personal lawyer, he gave an interview for a bob by kenned kennedy -- that's not their job. it is reflective of how he views the fbi and the justice department and led to a series of these. >> is this just a saturday night mi massacre halving in slow motion so it does not seem as jarring
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harry? >> i know there is some sniping of some of the details in mccabe's account. the general account overall, what it is like in the hallway, the kind of complete flabbergasted feeling that everyone there has. the actual sitting down. this is mind blowning whether jo whether -- mind blowing and whether wearing a wire. this is when they first becoming accustomed to them. it is harrowing as he says. this is a slow motion saturday night massacre. that's what they were worried about at the time. in some way it is worst. in some way as mccabe says a fall off and standard of presidential accountability such as they never had before. this is the stuff of greecase a
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turkey. do we have to elect the president of the united states? it is stunning. >> it is used as an opening on someone on the right, here is nunes talking on fox before how it started. >> we tried the bring rosenstein can be under oath to answer these questions. you got a she said, she said in this case. any talk of the amendment is outrageous. what is mueller looking at? if he's looking at information that's based on that dossier, we have not seen what mueller is looking at, it is a big problem. >> ken, what do you make of that? t >> the right is going to seize on the fact that mccabe opened on both investigations.
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they view mccabe as an an anti-trumper. is this consistent with the behavior of donald trump that we know and mccabe's conduct in terms of this investigation have never been questioned. i think in terms of what we make of this today and what it means for us today, we don't have answers to the key questions of why they were so suspicious of the president that they had to open an intelligent investigation. what did he say in the oval office to the russian foreign minister during those eight days. what other behaviors don't we know about? we have to whale for the mueller's findings. >> as you said we may never find out what muellers's fi's findin. what william barr who'll be the new attorney general will be required to disclose the
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congress. so there is all sorts of variables here. harry, what do you make of that? william barr is now in charge. he's now the one overseeing all of these investigations and not just robert mueller but also sdny. >> yeah, he's in charge and as ken says, the regulatory scheme as you look closely provides for the only bare bone reports of congress. that's what it requires. he has said that he's going to earn as much as possible on the side of transparency and i think we can believe that. i think there will be practical forces, almost overwhelming practical forces to push out whatever the mueller report is. with this major exception, the grand jury information and the classified information both of which are very big chunks of this investigation may in fact be shielded from viewers at least for the short term. the requirements of the scheme,
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you will see bar goes further and figure out a way to do it without violating the rags. that's my best guess. >> is the white house preparing for what they'll do when this report is given to william barr? >> they're taking a few steps here. barr obviously was just confirmed today. the president's legal team is handling this led by rudy giuliani. they prepared their own report. they have no right to perceive. they're ready to go to bat and fight it. they're ready if needed, they feel like they can win it in court. it is also the politics of it. and certainly the west wing, they staff up lawyers, the house not criminaled ontrolled by dem. it is something that's going to be a defining moment for this presidency.
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they are concerned. they're going to be on an attack. sarah sanders released a ska scaviing statement about mccabe. >> quickly to you ken, i know we were talking about february being the time when mueller would wrap up the investigation, are we still working on that timeline according to your reporting? >> everybody in the governme everything in the government slips. we are being told the next few weeks. that's the impression that the people at the investigation and the justice have. that this report is on its way and sent to the judge. >> don't bet on it. >> william barr will be sworn in today in the oval office at 4:45 p.m. it will be administered by chief justice john roberts. william barr will be the next attorney general.
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ken dilanian and harry littman and john lemire, thank you very much. the trump campaign is preparing who the president have to run against in 2020, they chosen their top three contender os on the democrat side. >> right after the break, democrats are praying the president will sign the border fund bill. rder fund bill. at fidelity, we make sure you have a clear plan
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sign the bill so the government does not shut down. >> we got to pass it and i will pray that the president will sign it. >> republicans are working with a prayer, literally a prayer. which the president has said he is reviewing today. even without assurances, he'll sign it, both chambers do hope to vote some time today ahead of what is another government shutdown tomorrow night. why are republicans taking to actually praying. the president has burnt them before and a lot in the bill that the president may not like. he's not getting the cash that he wanted. it will not be a wall and instead will be fencing. it will be exclude new wall construction in california and arizona and new mexico which complicates his 2020. finish the wall slogan. as the new york time puts it in pursue of a wall, president trump ran into one.
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garret haake and kelly o'donell is joining me now. so who's the problem here? who's the president potentially listening to garret? who on capitol hill might have his ear telling him this is not a good deal? >> some of his most conservative allies in the house have been saying they don't think it is a good deal. even among that group they don't see a shutdown, largely his outside adviser who's been leaning on him to reject this deal. the republican senate lunch broke up over last half hour and talking to half a dozen or so republicans. earlier today, we thought the senate may vote on this bill as early as the 2:00 hour. that continues to slide back. there is one group of republican senators who say we have done our jobs, let's vote. another group are still waiting to see if president trump will signal one way or if he's going
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to sign this bill. the republicans in the senate feel incredibly burnt from how the shutdown played last time. they cannot seem to move it forward. they're still looking over their shoulders for what the president is going to do. here is a piece from the new york times today about what the president had been doing. he made one call to lou dobbs. t and another is sean hannity. kelly, is that where the true power in this government lies, sean hannity and lou dobbs? >> reporter: the president listens to outside conservative voices because they have such
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sway for people who supports the president. there is concerns there that he does not want to draw any fire from those friendly allies. the place holder tweet that you referenced about him reviewing the bill may buy some time. the concerns that garret outlined are war leranted becau we see the president did not follow through so far. certainly far more broadly than that that no one feels there is a stomach for another government shutdown. does the president allow more time to sip away and dissipate before the deadline then once it is signed, it becomes law. there is no funding lapse. if there is a critic, he can defend he's keeping the government open. is it simply a buying time move where he knows he'll ultimately sign it or are there still some deliberations going on would he in some form not sign it or sign it with extras like looking for
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ways to draw funding that's been appropriated, the term in washington is called reprogramming and pulling bittinbits of funding where there is excess and ability within the law use money differently to bulk it up and be able to sign it with a statement saying he's getting more than at face value the legislation would suggest. those are some options. this option of a firm yes from the white house could be conservatives and time for some work to be done and looking a way to sweep it without congressional work. >> i am not lou dobbs or sean hannity but i am a cable news host. i don't know if the president is watching this show but i will tell the president that his supporters trusted him more than they trusted anybody else and that does include shaean hannit
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as the field of 2020 democrats continue to grow, the president's reelection campaign have started to prepare and run against a few of them. donald trump politico adviser have began opposition research on three candidates that are the most viable. kamala harris, elizabeth warren and cory booker. joining me now brett stevens and former dnc adviser, doug
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thornel. these are some of the progressive democrats. why would donald trump team point them out? >> well, look i think actually i spoke to a number of representatives in each of these campaigns that were name checked. they love this article because it makes the case for them that they could be the toughest people to take on trump. they can fund raise off of it. i think cory booker sent an e-mail to his supporters. the reality is this field is going to grow. there are a number of democrats beyond these three who'll be able to beat trump. he's right now very weak and unpopular and looks like he's ceiling right now is about 44% of about 37%. if you look at battleground district, florida, michigan and wisconsin and he already dropped 20 points in approval rating since 2017. you know they're struggling and they don't have a real positive
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message, they're pursuing this as they're going to have to disqualify democrats from the start. >> i talked to a number of senior level advisers and the campaign we are talking about here. the general consensus that donald trump was pretty weak and the general election won't be the hard part for democrats. they believe the majority of the people that earned the field, you can see we have a ton of them on the screen right over here that they can probably all beat donald trump for the most part. >> i think it is foolish to think that way and it is foolish period. i am saying this as someone votvot voted against the president in 2016 and would love to see him go. it is a mistake to see donald trump based on his whole number
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is weak. if the economy continues to grow, those are arguments in his favor. the reason that the white house is looking at senator warren, harris and booker, they pthink they are the ones likely to win the democratic nomination. the guy they really feared is joe biden. >> that's also from this politico piece. let's read that. >> trump told allies he sees biden remains undecided as the most potential general election rival. there is widespread doubt that biden can survive a primary. >> sure, biden has a 40-year record in politics. he started out in the 1970s, he ran for president a number of times and embarrassed himself
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each one of those times. the view is there is so much there in terms of his behavior and the thomas clancy's hearing. he's a very successful, widely respected vice president, he suffered a great deal in his life. donald trump won the area around skr scranton. joe biden is ideally in a position to pick up that vote especially if he's smart of choosing a young dynamic runn g running-mate. >> could biden not make it through the primaries? >> well, i mean look -- i think each of these candidates have vulnerabilities they have to address. if biden gets in, he'll start out as a front runner. that's a blessing. he's going to have a record that points to vp. i think he can make it through a primary absolutely. just to brett's point earlier, it is not just polling.
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it is what the president talked about. he did not talk about the economy or any of that stuff. he talked about the message that he's planning on running in 2020 and that was this divisive socialism. he has not shown any interest in talking about it. >> he and the republican ran a stupid idiotic midterm campaign. you have to expect that they're going to learn from it. >> i hear you on that. they did worse, their poll numbers went down. that may be something to look
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into. but, he was not effective at messaging and there is a ton of reporting out there brett, about the counties that got him into the oval office. and the softening of support that people are seeing among donald trump supporters. >> that's absolutely true. please don't make mistake. i am not doubting. it is a deeply vulnerable candidate because he's a terrible president with all of the flaws we discussed on a routine bases. the president retains this core support and can't turn it around and can't change the messaging and can't take advantage of the fact that we do have a reasonably strong economy. >> i think she's the one to watch, klobachar. >> if i were biden, i would fear of her everyone mon more.
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>> amy klobachar had a good roll out on sunday. i think it spotlighted her grittness and appeal. i think he's going to be able to make a strong case for her particularly in a state like iowa. i think she got to be looked at and seriously you know there is some real concerns there by the trump folks. >> let's not look into this polling from february 4th which has her at 2%. it is so early. they just started campaigning. name recognitions is not all there yet. >> that's all name id. that's what this campaign is about. i am not sugigesting any of thee democrats can beat trump, what i am saying he's very weak. taking protection from people's preexisting conditions away and going from crisis to crisis and
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oversees one of the most unethical and corrupt administration. i this i a lnk a lot of democra going to be to -- >> is there too much in there is so many variables, we can keep on talking about this. brett and doug, thank you so much. >> thank you. >> it has been a year since parkland. if you are looking for action on gun safety, look local. local ♪ wake up sweetie. ♪ doctor dave. see ya. ♪ here's your order. ♪ hey. applebee's to go. now that's eatin' good in the neighborhood.
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we are going to do strong background checks. >> after the school shooting at parkland yesterday, president trump promised gun safety but then nothing happened. on the state level though, it has been an historic year for ju gun safety advocate. joining me now, the author of "gunfight." adam, winkler.
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it is good to have you back. tell me what happens over the past year? >> since parkland, as you said 76 new laws restrictions on high capacity magazines and bans on bump stocks. these are laws that have been passed in 14 states that allowed law enforcement to take away guns from someone who's troubled just on a temporary bases. these laws have becoming increasingly popular in the prevention movement. they're taken off since the parkland event. >> how many times have they been used? >> florida is an interesting example. florida is one of the states that's been the most protective of gun rights over the years. since parkland, -- including raising the gun age and one of these flag laws. those have been used over a thousand time in florida according to reports.
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>> where do we see the majority of these new gun laws? are they across the country or specific to the bluer states? >> well, traditionally we see much more activity in terms of restricting guns in the blue states. one thing that happens with the red flag law since parkland and domestic violence on restrictions, these laws have been catching on even in red state, too. florida is really one of the leader in the gun right movement and they pushed some new retr s restrictions which are really important turning point on the gun debate. >> when asked if guns should be stricter. today a year later, that's just 51%. why do you think -- is it just the time that allow popular
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opinion to settle back into what it was before parkland? is it out of site and mind? >> when this incident happens, we focus our attention on these issues. as it becomes more clear that congress is not going to pass new gun legislations, you may get something through the house or the house judiciary committee but not through the white house then people have to feel we have to think of other way to curve gun violence. the commitment to curve gun violence is higher than ever. >> let's talk about the federal government. i think many of our viewers saw this. it is worth revisiting, this was a moment in a hearing about gun violence and this is a florida congressman matt gates confronting or trying to get removed a couple of parkland fathers. >> it was the fact that we have
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an immigration system that allows people to come here violently, we engaged -- is there a process in the committee where by the very same people are repeatedly interrupting the time of the members that those people will be asked to the parkland committee in. >> those are two parkland fathers that you recognize them from all the appearances they have done talking about losing their children. they were objecting to matt gate saying the problem lies with immigration and after all, their kids were not killed by an immigra immigrant. their kids were killed by a former student of the school. what has been happening in washington and is it just -- why can't the federal government get on the same page? >> well, i think it is straightforward. the republican party has really associated itself with the nra, the nra is a really important part of the coalition that leads to republican success on election day. the republican party where as it once was opened to gun control
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law is completely closed off to that possibility. there is no new federal legislations because republicans have controlled the senate for many years now and without possibility of getting something through the senate. it does not make a lot of sense. >> how is the nra doing right now? >> the nra is struggling. it has seen its revenue declined significantly as best as we can tell and membership seems to be down and the nra is caught up with this russia, trump scandal in an embarrassing way. the nra is really having a tough year no doubt. at the same time we should remember that donald trump is given the nra two supreme court justices who'll be the next 30 years of solid pro-gun votes on second amendment cases. adam winkler. >> after the break, men and children crossing the rio grande. nbc's cal perry is there, he was
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cal perry joins us now from a gap in a border fence near brownsville, texas. cal, what do you have? >> you described it perfectly. these migrants just come over the rio grande, this sector is the busiest sector along that border with mexico. in groups of hundreds they come across, the smugglers don't care that cpb is there, they don't care the media is there. they're just trying to make money and get people across and i want to stress we're talking about family units, people coming for asylum, we're not longer talking about what we saw in the '80s and '90s with single males. we saw them talking to customs and border protection. we asked skd what thwhat they n >> what do you need in this sector? >> tools that protect the board
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thaerks wi er, that will include technology, fencing, roads similar to what we had in arizona. but then you need the personnel. a fence and technology don't make a hexes and seizures. they detect but ultimately it's going to be the agents to get out there and respond. >> let's talk about that appropriations bill. look at this hole in this wall. the u.s. government doesn't move quickly at all. things are appropriated financially and then they're built years later. this wall went in in 2008 but this giant hole is supposed to be a gate that people are going to be able to cross in and out of. it was supposed to be built ten years ago but because of both funding and property laws in texaswith the appropriations bill going in now, you'll have giant gaps in
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this wall all across texas. >> cal, i was taken aback by something you posted on twitter, men, women, and children coming across, some families coming across the border only to be met by border security. tell me what happened. >> so they're met by border security. they're taken to a holding facility that customs and border protection runs, we were able to visit this facility. we are the first journalists to see it. we couldn't film in there. 30 people in cages meant to hold 15. people laying shoulder to shoulder. the cages are divided for different groups of people, you have women, you have children. the thing that struck us is the girls were crying, a lot of them were shaking, they were praying, as they're moved and shuffled from these cages, they're given what the customs and border protection folks have to give but the people paying the human price for the bebait around washington are families coming
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from latin america. they don't care who they run into across the border. they're looking for anyone to surrender to. there was a mother who was overheated. she hadn't had water. she almost collapse when she saw customs and border protection our cameraman came across a migrant outside of big bend looking for anyone surrender to. the cameraman said "if i flag someone down, you'll be sent home." he said "i don't care, i'm dying in this spot." >> it's interesting none of the people you've seen have run from border patrol or tried to hide. they're actively trying to get caught. >> we asked everybody, did you know if you could go to a port of entry you could turn yourself over asylum? 100% of the people we talked to as they were collapsing on the side of this road said they didn't know that. >> cal, thank you so much.
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tonight you can catch him and our correspondents nationed along the border during a special we're airing, all in america, live at the border. chris hayes will host live from el paso, texas at 8:00 p.m. eastern only here on msnbc. tune in. one of the president's close allies defended saudi arabia after the brutal murder of journalist jamal khashoggi. "one more thing" is next. "one more thing" is next as well as all the things you want to do. because when you're ready for what comes next, the only direction is forward. - want to take your next vacation to new heights? tripadvisor now lets you book over 100,000 tours,
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one more thing before we go. billionaire tom barrick, a close friend and informal adviser to the president, also chaired the president's inaugural committee, you know who he is, during a speech in abu dhabi the "washington post" reports he defind it had saudi government's brutal murder of "washington post's" columns any jamal khashoggi. here's what he said "whatever happened in saudi arabia the atrocities in america are equal or worse than the atrocities in saudi arabia." you heard the right. equal or worse than the
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atrocities in saudi arabia. "for us to dictate what we think is the moral code there, i think a mistake." barri barrack has since apologized for not making clear that khashoggi's murder was atrocious and inexcusable but he maintains the west is confused. u.s. intelligence officials including gina haspel are not confused. that i've said without pause that khashoggi's murder was ordered by saudi officials. multiple reports implicate the saudi crown prince of green lighting the murder. let's be clear, khashoggi wasn't just a journalist, he was a u.s. resident, he lived in virginia, he was a vocal critic of his home country, he was murdered in turkey not in saudi arabia in the saudi consulate in turkey. assassins were waiting for him inside. they strangled him, they dismembered him with a bone saw while his fiance waited outside.
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his remains have not been found. as dana milbank writes, worse than his failure to condemn the saudis for murdering jamal khashoggi was barrack's claim that the u.s. commits atrocities that are equal or worse than saudi arabia. please remember, because i'm sure that language sounds familiar to you, that tom barrack has the ear of the president of the united states and this is what he believes and this is what the president told bill o'reilly in 2017. >> putin's a killer. >> there are a lot of killers. a lot of killers. you think our country so innocent? you think our country so innocent. >> i don't know of any government leaders that are killers. >> well, take a look at what we've done, too. >> well, you wonder where he got that from. again, i don't know of a journalist who was killed by a government here in this country, let's hope it never comes to that. i just don't understand what tom barrack was talking about. ali velshi, take it from me, i'm
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not happy. >> you can accept the fact that other countries have different ways of doing things but this is the saudi arabia di government that countenance it had murder of a journalist who was a critic. a guy who wasn't trying to take down the saudi government, he was a guy who said this is how we have to change to be better. >> this doesn't even include what the saudis do to their own people on a daily basis, as if that's somehow okay. as if we don't understand how things work there. >> right. right. >> come on. >> tom barrack comes by this honestly. good to see you, my friend. have a good afternoon. >> you, too. this is going to be a busy hour for congress as it prepares to vote on the compromise security bill aimed at preventing another government shutdown. we'll monitor that and bring it to you as it happens. first, you have got to be tough to make in the new york city. that from the city's mayor after amazon's stunning decision to cancel its planned headquarters in new york. you may remember, amazon went all out, they put on quite the show when it announced its nationwide search for its new
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