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beta o'rourke will join chris hayes, among other guests. he's at the border, an important time to be there. "the beat with ari melber" next. valentine's day is always an emergency for some people who are behind on their gifts, right? >> hey, man, i'll find out in a few min if i was on time. >> national or personal emergency, great to see you, chuck. a lot going on tonight. thank you. we have, i will tell you on "the beat" a wild show tonight. let me tell you what i mean. donald trump pulling the emergency rip cord, caving on his wall. what you need to know tonight about this latest gambit. some of it matters, some of it doesn't. we have you covered. major mueller action. the ramifications of his victory over paul manafort in court and new sound we're hearing for the first time tonight from one of the most key witnesses mueller has, former james comey deputy andy mccabe. and later, hmm, what is that sound? it is the sound you hear in
washington of another nancy pelosi victory over donald trump. we'll get into that. the politics inform the policy and how her hardball explains what trump is trying to do at the border. for the first time ever tonight the trump white house officially says president trump will declare a, quote, national emergency regarding the border and we are putting, let me be clear tonight, national emergency in quotes not only to quote what the trump administration is technically saying but also as, yes, scare quotes. legally donald trump does not have the last week if this is, indeed, a national emergency that grants him special powers. the courts will decide that. donald trump's rhetorical explanation comes with that context in this one. live pictures here as we keep an eye on capitol hill tonight. lawmakers will move forward on the spending compromise. this is the end game of the cave you've heard so much. a bill that doesn't include the wall money trump wanted, talk about a national emergency.
he is yet to formally declare this hour. cannot diminish the action in d.c. where speaker pelosi has scored another victory keeping government open and cautions against trump's illusions in a statement today. >> today we will keep government open. we will also, as we do so, protect our borders and protect our values. i know republicans have some unease it no matter what they say. an emergency on something he has created as an emergency. an illusion that he wants to convey, just think of what a president with different values can present to the american people. >> just think about it, that's what the speaker is asking everyone to do. let me be clear, this is one of those nights in america where the realities and the illusions are clashing. it is real and important congress has this budget deal and trump is caving in to sign it. it's real that trump is losing on his claims on the wall, first
that mexico would fund it or the u.s., or no budget deal without funding it. that all ends tonight. it ends as a new fight begins with the president of the united states vaguely planning a national emergency. we have special reporting to separate fact from fiction tonight. former prosecutor joey sevance on the law, barry pk calfry on the national security, alicia menendez on the immigration politics and i'll be joined by a u.s. senator on what the congress is doing tonight as trump caves on the wall. let me begin like this. i want to bring in the general and our former federal prosecutor. general, first of all, what does it mean when donald trump claims this will be a national emergency? >> i've been sort of surprised that the pushback hasn't been stronger out of congress in both political parties. obviously there's no national security emergency at the border. we do grant -- congress has
activated two laws under national security and disaster assistance where we give the president huge latitude. the u.s. armed forces has delivered the mail, we go to hurricane relief. we've intervened in major american cities. whenever that happens the president has to actually have a justification. there is none. this doesn't seem like in the future another president might do this. this is currently congress surrendering their authority under the constitution, the power of the purse, if they allow this rogue action to take place. >> what do you mean allow it? the congress has what they want which is a budget with no more shutdown and no major wall funding. if the president then declares something or says he has something and starts doing something else with it, as pelosi just warned it could go to the courts. congress can't do any magic
stick to stop him from claiming something, right? >> oh, yeah, of course they can. they can negate the presidential action in a heart beat if they came up with veto proof which they should do, both political parties. look, in the past we've had presidents overreach roosevelt using national security emergency powers. we had truman in the youngstown steel case. at the end of the day it seems if you defy the will of congress who refuses to fund something and allow the president to get away with this, you're ending up neutering the principle responsibility of congress. >> i think your point is very well made there. if there's one precedent that would unite our two guests harry truman saying he could seize the steel mills, right? people think the military should have all sorts of support within the country. i don't think that's a
controversial statement. and yet, joyce, that case is an example of the limits of the power even in that situation which many would say is far greater than trump is saying of the border crisis. let me play speaker pelosi alluding to the fact congress may step up and take him to court if he goes too far. take a look. >> do you still plan to file a legal challenge if and when he does that, and how quickly? >> did i say i was filing a legal challenge? i may. that's an option. we'll review our options. but it's important to note that when the president declares this emergency, first of all, it's not an emergency. we will review our options. we'll be prepared to respond appropriately to it. >> joyce, we don't know exactly what this will be, but the white house has confirmed, again, for the first time ever, they're going to do a national emergency regarding the border. let me put it to you like this. if they do that and try to spend significant money, say $5 billion, on the wall that wasn't
appropriated by congress, do you think they would lose in court? >> i think they will lose in court. for starters, executive power, what the president is exerting here is in its broadest areas congress hasn't acted or can't act. here congress has considered this notion of funding a border wall and they've rejected it. it's very much like the youngstown steel case we like to talk about where congress rejected the notion of seizing steel factories to prevent workers from striking and the court said you can't do that. congress has already made a decision. so here we have the president manufacturing an emergency. there's no crisis on the border. immigration down, crime down, and i think the court will be very careful about not authorizing over broad action if for no other reason than the precedent it would set for, for instance, a future democratic president to go much further. >> both of you please stay with me as i've warned guests we are
going to be waiting to get to the senator and folks at the border. we turn now, as promised, to someone in the center of the action from the judiciary committee on a very busy night and on a valentine's day. >> yes, i am wearing red. >> you look great in the red, if i can say so. thank you for jing oining us, senator. >> sure. >> let me start with this, i would like you and i to go into a time machine. if we went into a time machine and went back to day one of the shutdown, and we looked ahead to this day and found out that after all this trump administration noise he would sign not one but two deals to reopen the government with no real wall money and be unhappy about it, that would look like a big victory, quite frankly, for the democrats, for your party, for speaker pelosi. and yet tonight that comes amidst all this drama about the president claiming a vague national emergency. how do you make sense of that if we go in and out of that time
machine? >> it makes no sense. that's plain and simple. the whole thing doesn't make sense. i hope the people in our country are getting it, this is a president who doesn't think through a lot of things and he harmed so many people not to mention our economy with the unnecessary shutdown. now we're keeping the government running which should be the normal sate of affairs. with this president nothing is normal. >> do you view the senate's activity today and what the house will send as a positive, so the bill itself coming out of congress deals well with these budget issues? walk us through what is happening. >> what it does, it keeps government running until the end of the fiscal year which is what should have happened back in december when the president all of a sudden basically because he got yelled at by whoever it was on fox news that he changed his mind leading to a totally unnecessary, very, very harmful shutdown.
so this is where we are, and he's getting less today than what he got, what he would have gotten way back when. but, nonetheless, he is so fixated on getting his wall that he is now going to manufacture a crisis. usually when the president exercises executive powers and calls an emergency, the emergencies are usually really open and obvious such as major natural disaster. there's nothing open or obvious about this. it's only in his own mind and this is a president who tests his constitutional powers to the limit this is why there are a couple things that will likely happen. there will be lawsuits and the house and senate can pass a joint resolution to terminate the so-called national emergency. he could veto the termination but we can also override the veto that would require the congress to start acting like the separate branch of government that i have been urging it to act like from the very beginning of the last shutdown. >> interesting you raise that
point. general mccaffrey was also referring to that. there's a couple ways this can go down. the courts can stop a false national emergency with special powers. that's happened before. or the congress can get more involved at the parliamentary level. before i let you go, what if donald trump does a kind of a fake national emergency that doesn't create the kind of test for court? he says it's a national emergency but doesn't try to swipe any money or do anything big. what is your view of that? is that worth fighting or let him have it because it's hype and you move on? >> the whole point of having a national emergency is for him to get some money for his border wall. so then if he declares a national emergency, there's usually some resources that go with the national emergency. it would just compound the kind of chaotic thinking from this president. >> understood. senator, thank you very much for joining our special coverage on the big night. i want to broaden out to our entire panel as mentioned. federal prosecutor vance still
with me, lee at the border, general mccaffrey, and alicia menendez. we've talked a lot about the border. you're down there. what are you seeing and what does it mean on the ground? [ no audio ] >> i believe we're having audio trouble. tremaine is trying to talk to us. as he works on that, alicia, given your knowledge of the issue, a lot of talk about a so-called national emergency. what do we actually know about what's going on at the border to that point? >> we know that there is not the emergency that we're being told there is. there is not the need for the wall that we're being told there is. and in all of this conversation about a national emergency we're taking our eye off the legislation that is actually before congress. and let's be honest about the fact that progressive democrats feel this is an okay deal at best, close to $3 billion
towards all types of border security. there's actually an increase in detention, which was something they were hoping to see decreased. and so democrats feel that they had come in good faith and made the type of compromise that a divided government is supposed to make. and so for the president now at this hour to say, fine, i'll sign it but i'm also going to declare a national emergency really complicates what were good faith negotiations up until this point. >> understood. tremaine lee, who is heroically down there working with us in our tech i believe can hear me now. tell us what you're seeing. >> reporter: clearly i'm in no man's land, quite honestly. i've traveled the length of the border, almost 200 miles from the east to the west. you're finding a tale of two cities. when you talk to folks on the border, there are deep, historical, familiar routes between mexico and the united states. but you talk to ranchers, mostly
white ranchers, they say there is fear because migrants are coming through their land, and they say time and time again they're a different kind of my grant. where in years past they were hard working and humble. a woman last night said they're doing work no self-respecting white man would do. it's that kind of dynamic, and that's changed. you hear a lot about this idea of a crisis. i went to a school where 70% of the students actually live in mexico but they're u.s. citizens. they come every day. there's love in that space. you talk to the mayor of sunland park who says there's a fence and it just stops because there's a mountain and a gap where mexico is literally a stone's throw away and they want a transfer of economic energy. so even though we hear political talk of a crisis on the ground it's much different. even when you talk to the ranchers, it's hard to separate what is real and what is kind of that fear and the rumor mill churning. certainly with my own eyes it's just desolate. there's not much here.
>> right. it's very interesting hearing you say that and watching what you're calling the desolate landscape behind you. alicia, this is the issue that makes immigration so bizarre. again, i want to be clear about what's happening tonight. this is the breakthrough that people wanted. the senator says, okay, we're finally getting it, and it comes with the president doing what is a rhetorical version of the wall, which is a michael jackson, which connotes all different things. in a recent appearance down by the border where he claims the wall is being built. >> today we started a big, beautiful wall right on the rio grande. now you really mean finish that wall because we've built a lot of it. >> alicia? >> as you said that is a lie. those walls are not being built.
so we can expect the president to continue to repeat that lie. but, listen, this is something he's been saying since his campaign. it's a wall he not only promised but promised mexico would pay for and why images are so important. we would see the images of migrants coming up to the wall, part of the reason was to stoke these fears to create a sense there were people and let's be honest, while there's not the crisis the president is saying there is, there is a humanitarian crisis on the other side of the border being created by the metering system set up by the trump administration. it's incredibly complicated. we should not act as though a wall all authorities said would be wildly ineffective. we can't act as though that's the answer. >> really important stuff. we have so much news happening tonight. i want to fit in a break. thanks to each of you. coming up bob mueller has a new
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lots of developments in the russia probe amidst all the other news tonight. bob mueller now has a new boss. it's official. the senate confirming bill barr today. this is your new attorney general. he has direct oversight of everything in the doj and he will oversee bob mueller in this critical new phase. mueller scores a big legal victory against paul manafort and another witness is speaking out about the origins of this probe. this is a man who ran the fbi after james comey's chaotic firing. so the manafort news is clearly a big deal. mueller had convinced a judge that manafort was lying about a secret meeting with a key russian at the cigar club a few blocks away and this was a few weeks after the secret russia
meeting at, yes, trump tower. manafort at both of them and was in charge of the trump campaign. you can see how bad that looks. you don't need google maps for it. look at this. manafort is the fourth trump aide mueller says has lied to the feds about contact with the russians. top dems want to know why. >> the motivation here is if he told the truth about his relationship with someone affiliated with russian intelligence while he was the campaign chairman, that would be so damaging effectively to trump that it would negate his chance of a pardon. that, to me, is quite telling. >> pardons and lies about russia, looks like the heart of it. and then there's this news i mentioned that in any other year would be a top story in the nation tonight. we are hearing from the man who ran the russia probe between the firing of james comey and the appointment of bob mueller. let's take a listen to his new interview with "60 minutes" where he discusses a whole lot of the stuff that has apparently
made the white house upset. >> i wanted to make sure that our case was on solid ground, and if somebody came in behind me and closed it and tried to walk away from it, they would not be able to do that without creating a record of why they made that decision. >> you wanted a documentary record -- >> that's right. >> -- that those investigations had begun because you feared that they would be made to go away? >> that's exactly right. >> i'm joined by watergate special prosecutor and joyce vance is back with me. he literally took over after the firing, the removal of james comey. he was ousted in unusual circumstances. what do you make of that quote? >> i think it's stunning. it's not just what he says but keep in mind in march of last year "the new york times" reported that people in the obama administration were doing the same thing. everybody was concerned about
preserving the evidence of what they had, the intelligence showing that the russian government and the trump campaign had conspired together. they were looking for all kinds of ways to put this into reports to make sure that nobody could actually destroy it and erase it. and what mccabe has said is pretty much the entire feeling that you get from the people who really know, that are involved with national security, have seen the intelligence reports. these are people that are so concerned that they are taking extreme efforts to try and maintain all of this evidence so that people around trump can't just come in and destroy it. >> let's hash this out a little bit because that's an interpretation that makes trump look bad and i think a lot of people can understand that because he's taken so many other obstructive acts calling people rats, not to cooperate. it looks bad, right? but, wait, i want to push you on this, nick. the other interpretation on that alone is it's only what's going on in andy mccabe's mind.
he says he's worried that someone may stifle. he says he had to do this because of his view of the president. and the president's lawyers and their team are saying, yeah, doesn't that go to show that rather than being an investigator, they're not the prosecutors, they don't decide. he was making negative assumptions about donald trump. >> well, on a good basis because he was dealing with a president he viewed as a mob boss. andy mccabe is an fbi agent. he's investigated the mob. he knows what criminals are like. and in his judgment he felt that trump was acting as a mob boss when he went in to see him, when he tried to get him to actually come to the fbi. trump was trying to force himself on mccabe to go to the fbi after comey had been fired. and on top of it all, it's not just mccabe. it was president obama. it was people around president obama. it was people in the intelligence committee who felt the same way about maintaining the integrity of the evidence that they had gathered, taking
the intelligence information, making sure that it was all put into reports so that somebody couldn't just come in and destroy everything. and they distributed that around the government. the fact there is this feeling -- >> again, it's a feeling. >> it's not a feeling. it's based on intelligence that people were reading. >> you said it was a feeling. >> it's based on intelligence. >> joyce, as always, look, these are quotes. we're going to see his whole book. i suspect the day will come we might see andy mccabe testify in public. he was the soup, in the middle of the core of the alleged obstruction. he's seen a lot. but here he was also talking about feelings and views and moods a little bit in the "60 minutes" interview about russia. take a look. >> i was speaking to the man who had just run for the presidency and won the election for the
presidency. and who might have done so with the aid of the government of russia, our most formidable adversary on the world stage. and that was something that troubled me greatly. >> how do you read him there and in the earlier quote? >> you know, the fbi is not an organization that leans liberal. it's a law enforcement agency people tend to be fairly conservative. and i don't mean that necessarily politically. i mean as a law enforcement community we like stability. we like people who follow the rule of law. in large part the fbi looked forward to a trump presidency. they were concerned that clinton might do things to undercut the agency's authority. so what's so remarkable to me is this shift in viewpoint. and although i know we're talking about feelings, but i think andy mccabe, who wasn't a street agent, wasn't a special agent in charge of the field office, but was running the shop after jim comey was fired by the president, was in the position
to see both fisa covered intelligence as well as evidence being compiled, and something gave this man, who had made a career out of doing mob cases, a significant concern. the circumstances surrounding his departure from the fbi are muddy. there's concerns about his veracity. even with that we have to listen to what he says and see how it stacks up with the available evidence. >> i think you make that case, which overlaps with nick's argument. i think you make it better than nick. what i'm saying is you're a better prosecutor, joyce. >> not true. >> i think you both make very interesting points. but as joyce refers to, nick, there's a lot we don't know. joyce is talking about the secret sauce, the stuff he's not allowed to discuss even to this day in an interview that may have informed his view. the other thing i have to ask you about, again, i don't like being a cliche. i don't like repeating my stories. it makes me feel older. it was only 24 hours ago to the
hour that you picked up a phone calling in to our control room to say what it means that the person who ran donald trump's campaign could spend the rest of his life in prison because he blew up his own plea deal. a day later there's a million things going on. it's valentine's day. happy valentine's day. i think it's more than a day's coverage when you look at the significance of that. walk us through a day later paul manafort facing this jail time. what does it mean that manafort won that? >> you have a judge making a finding that relates to the two conspiracies that have been charged against russian intelligence operatives. you have a finding with respect to him lying about the ukrainian peace plan as a quid pro quo and you have him lying about giving the polling data to kilimnik, the russian operative, who most likely used that to micro target
voters. so that's ex teamly significant. this is the first time we've had a judge make a finding on two elements of the conspiracies that have already been charged against the russians. in addition we've got man a forth now in an absolute vice. he is going to be hammered with what will amount to a life sentence for him and his only out at this point -- he can hope for a pardon, but the only other possibility is to come clean. >> i'm over on time. the other question i've been dying to ask, could manafort ultimately get a heavier sentence than any of nixon's aides from watergate? >> most definitely. i think it will definitely get a heavier sentence. >> you're a watergate prosecutor. all this other stuff is going on. you're telling us tonight what's different tonight than 25 hours ago is bob mueller just secured a longer sentence against a top trump aide than anyone in watergate. >> except the burglars -- >> trump people.
>> right. exactly. >> you get to the burglars and we're back to the judge dropping the hammer on them. >> and it may happen here again, too. >> if we had more time we would do a watergate podcast. we just don't have that kind of time. >> that would be fine. >> nick, we learned so much from you. joyce, we learned from you. i was only kidding about the prosecutorial rivalry. we need both of you as experts. thank you. >> thanks. >> thank you, joyce. >> thank you. >> thanks, nick. fox news hosts have claimed publicly on their tv shows that kamala harris lied in this big radio interview. we have a person who actually interviewed the senator and tonight says fox got it wrong. the power of speaker pelosi on the verge of crushing trump on the budget.
two big toristories out of washington, donald trump saying he will declare a national emergency. we're now looking at live pictures here from the house floor. lawmakers beginning debate on the spending bill that has the exact same amount of wall barrier money trump would have gotten from the very first deal. he says he's unhappy because it's not a real wall. "the times" says it's the most punishing defeat trump has experienced as president. here is pelosi today. >> welcome to the democratic party. we are not a rubber stamp for anybody.
we are not a monolith. we never have been. and who would want to lead a party that would be described that way? >> breaking this hour, members of trump's own party saying he'll do a, quote, national emergency. senator rubio says a bad idea. senator collins says it's of dubious constitutionality. i am joined by the president and ceo of voter latino which works on latino voter engagement in the united states, and alicia menendez back with me. the obvious question, is this, and i put my bunny ears up, is this a national emergency or not? >> absolutely not. the american people know it. this is a third strike you're out for the president. 3 million americans voted against him when he was up in 2016 when it came to the midterm elections he got a shellacking by the members coming in that
were first time arounds and you had a wall that basically said, no, we are not going to basically support the government shutdown for a wall for you. three strikes you're out. >> is pelosi getting him where she needs him to be other than he's talking about an emergency? >> the beauty about nancy pelosi, she understands how to use every single arrow in her quiver. she understands the legislative process. she says, you can try to file a national emergency but i'm going to provide a resolution that will be voted by the house, that will be passed, and then the republicans are going to be faced to say which side of the country are you on and that is not a small feat by her. >> you break it down quite clearly. alicia, this is about immigration. it's about politics. it's also very clearly about in a field -- and i think we have to be clear. a lot of democrats have been outmaneuvered by donald trump at various points. they were out messaged though people say he fights and plays
dirty. this is a person who doesn't seem to be on the short end of any big issue since she's taken the gavel. let's take a look at their exchanges. this was donald trump and nancy pelosi talking about immigration and other issues. take a look. >> nancy is in a situation where it's not easy for her to talk right now. >> mr. president, please don't characterize the strength that i bring to this meeting as the leader of the house democrats who just won a big victory. >> alicia, how much of this is speaker pelosi teaching donald trump how it works when she has the power? >> it's all about that and i think she has taught that in very short order. i think there's another lesson to be learned especially as we go into a 2020 cycle where there will be multiple women contending for their party as nomination for president which we often get caught in this inane question about a theme of
a candidate's likability. if there's anything we can learn, that is a dated question. when you can express just incredible competence, that's at the end of the day, what wins. >> the fact 2020, if we start talking about it, is all eyes through 2020. if this goes to the court, which more than likely if he declares a national emergency will get caught up in the courts, it will not be declared a winner until the middle of the 2020 elections. the last thing republicans want is to have this thing hanging over them whether or not what the president did, a member of their party, leading their party, did was constitutional or not in a very visible stage. >> you make a great point, his agenda, right, is week by week or even night by night. oh, talk about an emergency on the night when you're caving on the wall. >> exactly. a lot of our viewers see through that. it doesn't mean our viewers
don't know, oops, alicia, he caved on the one thing he said was his thing. >> you can see that speaker closy is seeing the bigger picture and the longer arc when she warns republicans the same emergency authority could be used by a democratic president for anything she used the example of gun control legislation. others have used the example of climate change. this sets a very arguably dangerous precedent that can be used by presidents for years to come. >> and you brought up, alicia, some of what you call dated ways to look at women candidates. i wish i could hold you over. we're about to get into that about kamala harris taking on fox news and a lot of people saying she's winning on that issue. thanks to both of you. >> thank you. >> thank you. up ahead, that's the story we're going to get into. a lot of attacks on kamala harris about a specific thing she said in a radio interview. the host of that very show "the breakfast club" speaking out rebutting fox news' claim next.
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the 2020 fight is getting very real. democrats jumping in, speaking out, and some of the media stops on this presidential campaign trail are expected and traditional. >> the first heavyweight to announce that you are going to go ahead with this exploratory committee. why are you going first? >> well, look, i want to be in this fight. >> you have an announcement you'd like to make? >> i'm running for president of the united states. >> what do you bring to the table? >> i have a very unique political path. >> that is the usual way that candidates come out in this early season. a staple for candidates for years is going and talking on television. there is a very new stop that is undeniably right now important in this 2020 race. and if you haven't heard of it, here you go. >> a lot of black people feel they don't trust you because you
mispronounced beyonce's name. have you learned to say it correctly yet? >> you just said it correctly, beyonce, right? >> are you going to stand with african-american people? >> i'm going to stand against racism. >> you did announce you were running on the first day of black history month. >> folks are start to go loing faith. >> you're a candidate. why did you do that to yourself? >> we have seen american values under attack. we have seen the american dream under attack. >> you've been looking at "the breakfast club" and joining me all three hosts of that very shower, syndicated across the nation. good morning. it's "the breakfast club." it is hard to get people as busy as the three of you together. thank you for coming on "the beat." why are these 2020 candidates who aren't even getting through all the new stops yet coming to talk to the three of you?
>> they're democrats and we're the breakfast club. a large majority is african-american, black and brown people. democrats like to talk to black and brown people. they know that every black and brown person isn't necessarily saying this year, hey, we're voting democrat just because. we've been loyal for a long time. a lot of people feel we've been loyal for a long time for no reason. they're ensuring they get the black and brown vote. >> you're saying your power is because of your audience? >> 100%. they're not coming to talk to us three just because. it's because of our large audience. >> they all want to get that vote from the millennials, the younger audience. that's important. >> you guys are very direct often in your questions, even different than some traditional news questions. this exchange with kamala harris on, quote, blackness. >> what do you say to people questioning the legitimacy of your blackness? >> i think they don't understand who black people are. because if you do, if you walked
on hampton's campus or howard's campus or moore house or spelman orifice bei fisk you would have appreciation for the diversity, for the beauty in the diversity of who we are as black people. so i'm not going to spend my time trying to educate people about who black people are. >> right answer? >> yeah. and you know what, the beauty about that question is that only i could ask that question. only a black person could ask that question. she couldn't go on this show or kolber or "good morning america." how can a white person ask a black person about their blackness? >> and how does that work for the white candidates you want to interview? >> we're going to ask them about what their agenda is for black people. absolutely. >> we want an agenda for black people t. seems like all of these other groups are always being represented. they have agendas for all these other groups.
when it comes to african-americans everybody gets so quiet. a rising tide, lift our boats. it's about all americans. no. what are you specifically going to do for african-americans. >> i appreciate you keeping the tradition going of black radio. >> you've never come before, though, mr. booker. >> donald trump told "face the nation" you don't stand a chance. why doesn't he believe in you? does cory booker have a specific agenda for black people? and if so, what is it? do you have a specific agenda for these black people? >> i have a specific agenda for the american people, which -- >> includes uplifting black people. >> inseparable. >> we don't see that in our communities. >> are you deliberately pushing them in a different way than they get in, say, news interviews? >> i'm not even paying attention to the news interviews. i'm not a journalist. i don't consider myself an expert in anything. i'm a person that's trying to figure out who i'm going to vote for in 2020. i feel like a regular person having a conversation with a
potential presidential candidate. >> do you think it's a risk for candidates coming on the show? >> i think we look at what they've done in the past and hold them accountable. i think it could be beneficial this they're prepared for it. a lot of politics are very polished and they give generic answers because they know what questions are typically asked. when you have a conversation and they're not used to it, that's when you get the candid answers. >> you are blowing up right now because of an exchange with kamala harris that people have, i'll say it, have been lying about. we're a news show here, so we'll do the truth of it. you could call it watergate, you could call it snoop dogg gate. >> they've been calling it refer gate. >> you can call it deejay gate. >> it's not my fault. >> this is something that, again, there's different conversations going on this is a big conversation on the internet, on what's called black twitter, but others may not have caught it yet. you had a long, i would say, policy oriented exchange with
kamala harris about all kinds of stuff, prosecution, racism and the law, marijuana which has been decriminalized. and fox news came out and they lied about one part of the exchange. >> what does kamala harris listen to? what were you listening to when you were high? what was on? what song? >> oh, my goodness, definitely snoop, tupac for sure. >> what's your favorite hip-hop artist now? >> you know who i really love is cardi b. >> that was the appearance on the so-called world's most dangerous morning show, "the breakfast club." >> seven years after she graduated from undergrad snup dog's debut album was released and five years tupac's album. >> so she doesn't remember what she was listening to when she was smoking. >> did fox news lie on your interview? >> absolutely positively lied. we wanted to humanize her not talk about politics what she likes, what she does. i asked what she listens to, and she said she listens to snoop
dogg and tupac. at the same time my co-host was still talking about the marijuana. and it was just a funny exchange, but she was actually answering me, and people took it she was answering charlemagne and said she was lying. >> i wasn't there that day so, oh, my god, i can't believe she said that. after you see everything on social media, i wasn't there. wow, she totally lied. >> i want everybody to know they're doing the work of fox news. the black twitter people going in on kamala, you're doing the work of fox news. fox news got you all. they got you all. >> listen to things yourself. i had to go and listen to it myself to hear what really happened. >> i think that is something that radio and the news have in common which is learn with your own ears before you make up your mind, which is why, again, we're seeing 21 candidates stop by "the breakfast club." thank you. >> thank you. >> and up next, the house will be beginning debate on the spending bill. no money for the border wall. a lot more on that when we return. rn
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