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it raises an obvious question. dproo do vet voters have the appetite for that? if you're one of those that wants to see the debate, the first is on nbc and msnbc. both nights of it. "all in" with chris hayes starts right now. tonight on "wheth"all in". >> we're dpoing to be signing today and registering national emergency and it's a great thing to do. >> president undercuts his own emergence. >> i dud ridn't need to do it. >> the only national emergency is that our president is an idiot. >> today as he goes to golf,
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california takes him to court. plus inside the new files from roger stone and paul manafort. why was sarah sanders meeting with robert mueller. and making sense of amazon's decision to pull its head quarters from fwho quarters from new york. after failing to persuade congress to fund the border wall thrbs one he promised mx co would pay for, he did an end run, declaring a national emergency to repurpose federal funds for the wall. and in yet another unsettling performance in the rose garden, he admitted it has nothing to do with security. >> we could do the wall over a longer period of time.
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i didn't need to do this but i have to do it much faster. and i dont need to do it for the election. i've we've already done a lot of wall for the election, twnt twnt. and the on lareason we're talking about this is because of the elebz. because they want to try to win an election which it looks like they're not going to be able to do and this is one of the ways they think they can possibly win is by obstruction and a lot of other nonsense. i just want to get it done faster. >> in a sign of how serious lathe president talks the so-called emergency, he hopped a flight to spend the weekend at mar-a-lago. who's bulled inaccurately as a way to stop illegal drugs. they divert from the pentagon progroom combat drug trafficking. they have to fight the president's power grab with
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every means available, which could include forcing a vote on a mesher to over rule the president. that is not showdown menany republicans are eager to phase. rick scott, lindsey graham and mitch mcconnell voicing support for talking power from their own branch of government. still others dismiss it altogether as an empty gesture by a fundamentally weak president. one house republican saying republicans and me are good. he undoubtedly will be enjoyed from carrying it out and we move on. ann coulter whose advice the president has sought and took, took a somewhat less satisfied attitude saying the gol of the national emergency is for trump to sdham stupidest people in his base for more years.
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and the ashclu announced plans sue. live from an "all in" exclusive. what is your state going to do about the declaration today? >> i'm trying to process the fact that i'm agreeing with ann coulter for perhaps the first time in my lifetime. california's prepared to call this what this is, which is a theater of the absurd. california is prepared to continue reminding athe people this is manufactured crisis. the lowest number since 1971. the reality is ports of entrees is where most drugs are seized. we're willing to work with theed a mun stragz but not on a monumental wall.
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>> the troops have been deployed from their mission at the border. >> we don't want to participate this show anymore. and he said he wanted 3,750 additional mu addition military personnel on the border. maybes our national guard troops look trivial and insignificant. we don't want to be part of this theater, part of this political you know misdirection. california is better than that. american people i think deserve better and so california wants to stand tall. >> i want to askia a question i ask asked beto o'rourke in el paso. fencing didn't exist for a long time, only pursuant to the secure fencing act in 2006. much is fenced in the state of california. i want to play you what i asked him.
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this is what i had to ask o'rourke last night. take a listen. if you could would you take the wall down sneer >> absolutely. >> you think if there's a referendum in the city, that would pass? >> i do. >> would you take the wall down that is currently up in the california border? >> not prepared to saw that. it's appropriate in some areas and inappropriate in other areas. but at major ports of entree, i believe it's approp art. there are appropriate places for barriers. buts i do not believe we should be playing into the current discussion, particular lawith a president that couldn't even spend the money congress appropriated him last year. he can't even get that money inivisted. why are we even having the conversation about additional
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inivistment or even this notion of an emergency? >> zoom out for a question about the state you govern. there was long time where republicans were powerful. a conservative state for a long time. viewed widely as an anti-immigrant proposition made the republican party increasingly taubsic, led to democratic governorance to the fact that now it's unified andmany see that as a warning signal. as the governor of the state of california, is that your thesis as well? >> look, america in 2019 reminds me a lot of california in the 1980s and 1990s. xenophobia, and nativism. we had a governor that would make donald trump blush. proposition 227. we're advancing aggressive
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krierm measures like three strikes and you're out. but now here we are fast track to your point. we're not only the most diverse state and demoberacy, 27% of us are a minority state and we're living and advancing together quite well across every conceivable and imaginable difference. the only people not advancing is the republican party which is third part a status in california . that's not a causary tale, i think it should be. donald trump is walking them off the same cliff our former governor of california walked the republican party off in the 1990s. >> want to ask you a question about the presidential campaign of 20 twentd. kamala harris has resoovd prominent endorsements. lee, the legendary labor organizer.
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do you have someone you're endorsing? >> i'm very enthusiastic about kamala harris. i'll be endorsing her candidacy for president. i've known her for decades, not only as district attorney where she did an extraordinary job with a progressive record and she served as attorney general and i've had the privilege of working with her as a u.s. senator. i think the american people could not do better. >> that is news, correct? >> i have not said that public la, no. >> well come on anytime you want to make news, governor. thank you very much. >> thank you, chris. for more on the congressional response i'm joined by democratic congresswoman maxine waters of california. what are the discussions among democratic leadership unresponse to what the president announced today? >> let me just tell you there are discozes going on. about a resolution of disapproval.
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that resolution of disapproval can be taken up by any house and voted on even if it's not by committee and we ecan let this president know what we think about this fake emergency that he's creating. >> the resolution of disapproval, which my understanding on this is because of the national emergencies act, right? it gives congress a check and both houses would end up picking it up. there's an opportunity to force the senate's hand. is that right? >> if we take it up, they must take it up. >> what do you think the politics of this are on -- in the country and on capitol hill? the president, many thought today looked rather weak. like he was trueing tox plain a failure. >> i think that this president is literally being pushed by the right wing conservatives that he listens to avr day when he's
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taking so-called executive time and they're saying if you don't get this wall you're not going to boo reelected. so he's up against a wall by trying to make sure he does everything he can to make it look as though he's fighting real a hard to get this wall because he believes as they are advise him that if hhe doesn't it, he'll not be reelected. he told us he was going to build a big, beautiful wall and make mexico pay for it. have the american citizens forgotten what he said? and now he's trueing to maybe the american citizens pay for this wall. we've done a good job in negotiating bipartisan legislation by saying you're not getting 5.7 billion and now he's going to try to go to other ageances where money is approp
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arated and take that money from them to makeup for this 5 pout 7 that he dud not get. soyeah, hooprobabe probably loo uncomfortable because he is. he can on lalie for so much and for so long. >> both politicians and writers concerned about a democratic president using a similar gambit for something like climate change. both in the majority and minority, what do you think precedent is? >> i think that's what some of them are frightened of. and that's why i real ax pect we're gohaving to a growing number of republicans that there going to join with us in this disapproval. yes, they're concerned if a democratic president gets elected then they can use emergency powers to do a lot of the things they don't like and they don't believe in climate change.
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they don't want us to talk about medicare for all or any of those subjects they think we'll spend too much government money, even though they've created the largest debt we've seen in government for men ea, many years. >> one of your colleagues, the wisconsin said something last night i thought was interesting. she said if trump circumvents congress to declare a national emergency, it would be grounds for umpeachment. this is a lawless president making the mockery of the separation of powers upon which our democracy built. >> you know i've bun talking about impeachment for a long time. i'm stunned and amauzzed that t american people have taben so much off of this president. this president has lied, i thin it's been documented 800 times in the last two years. and if we could ever get
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manafort to tell the truth,en the we will find they conspired to gt trump elected so sanz sanctions could be lifted off of russia. president obama created sanctions, placed them on russia because of their invasion, basically in crimea and they can't drill into the arctic and do some of these in thes they want to do. they don't have the equipment. our allies are working with us to honor the sanctions and that's what this is all about. the americans have taken too much off of this president. he is dishonorable. he does not deserve to be president of the united states. as a matter of fact he loves putin, dictators loves kim jong-un, talking bout they're in love now. all hands on deck to refuse this president these fake emergency powers that he would like the have and i'm urging everybody
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rally in every community across this country all this weekend, send a message to washington d.c., no, mr. president, we're not going allow you to do this. >> all right. congresswoman, maxine waters, thank you very much. >> you're soualcome. the president said there's no national emergency while declaring a nationalmergency which could be a problem for him in court. wll which could be a problem for him in court in court wl burning of diabetic nerve pain bear my diabetic nerve pain any longer. in court wl burning of diabetic nerve pain so i talked to my doctor and he prescribed lyrica. lyrica may cause serious allergic reactions, suicidal thoughts or actions. tell your doctor right away if you have these, new or worse depression, unusual changes in mood or behavior, swelling, trouble breathing, rash, hives, blisters, muscle pain with fever, tired feeling, or blurry vision. common side effects: dizziness, sleepiness, weight gain, swelling of hands, legs, and feet. don't drink alcohol while taking lyrica.
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border waum wall. the list of states considering suing the president keeps growing and growing. i believe we have one that's ready been filed. all right. a lot of criticism for this legally. what is your contngz was the aclu's contention of the legality of the emergency declaration? >> president trump's declaration is a bogus emergency and patently illegal. it flies in the face of the rule of law,chucks and balances that congress has imposed on the president and that's why we'll be in court next week to challenge it. he's invoking powers under a law congress passed saying in the case of anmergence he can use funds for military construction
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for the use of the armed forces. he, as you said earlier before the break said at the very moment he's declaring this bogus emergency i didn't need to do this. by definition that's not anmergency and what he's doing is illegal. >> we've seen before in cases, lawsuits against presidential actions, the president's own words boo sited in court, particularly with regard to the travel ban, which was his muslim ban and courts not that inclined to point to that have used presidential speech to say look, this is -- this goes to the nature of intent. did he hurt himself loogally with his admission? >> he total a dud. what you don't want is a client that will give a press conference and add three separasep paragrams to the complaint. number one i didn't need to and number two i wanted to do it fast and free because it's politics.
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most certain laehis words with will be considered by the courts and in determining whether this was an emergence or not context was important. we've b we've been hearing for weeks this is an emergency. this is a fake emergency. a violation of the rule of law and frankly what i'm excited to see is not just organize ays like the aclu or we see states, suties and lukely see private property land owners because even if the courts were to find he had this power, who's sawing eminent domain is going to be used on the border. 1/3 is owned by the government. the rest is private property, states and native american land and you can't just take this kind of property on a whim for some fake wall because of a fake emergency. >> the president did this very
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weird rift where he did a little fid federal procedure 101 and it will go to the district ocourt and up to the supreme court where he had confidence. i mean there seems to be a sns sense among this administration they have the votes on the supreme court. >> i think president trump and his sing song refrain is recognize what he's doing is illegal. he is on thin ice or no ice at all and falling to the abyss. we've got members of congress from right to left. you've got the national review join maxine waters in sawing this is possibly an impeachable action and we're not going to comment on that. but it's certainly true that president has repeatedly said that the supreme court is going to come to his rescue. he claimed it during his government shutdown when he claimed that the cort was going
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to intervene on daub.a.c.a. and they did not do so. he's wrong on the wall and the facts and hurting americans in the process. >> from a kaungs tuesdayconstit perspective, it does seem different from utter national emergencies. >> and congress has the power of the purse. and yun thing that is imper missibly is to get fund from other sources when congress has expr presley not given that authority. and with respect to private property and eminent domain and i think the 3rd piece is there are states that will argue they're being harmed by these particular actions. we think are going to be raised
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in a variety of different questions. they got it wrong on japanese internment under national emergencies and hoohas the mentality of nixon and the power grab of dick cheney and whether ornot the supreme koicocourt ge it right, this is a problem. >> the disastrous rambleing in the rose garden is what happens when the president spends too much time watching his stories. much time watching his stori es our grandparents checked their smartphones
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mr. president, can you tell us to what degree some of the outside conservative voices helped to shape your view on this national emrnlancy. >> sean hannity has been a terrific, terrific supporter of what i do. rush limbaugh, i think he's a great guy. i could speak for three hours without a fon call. try doing that some time. tucker carlson's been great. >> it's true it is hard to talk for three hours without taking calls. and potential legal challenges to his national emergency declaration. >> i'll sign the final papers as soon as i get into the oval
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office and woo will have a nationalmergency and thaw will sue us in the ninth circuit, even though it shouldn't be there and possibly bad ruling and another bad ruling anden the wool end up in the supreme court and hopefully we'll get a fair shake and we'll win in the supreme court. >> did his brain break there? that was weird. the president's words always sound familiar. >> i'll sign the final papers as soon as i get in to the oval office and woo will have a national emergency. >> the national emergency would be challenged as we always see with the democrats. >> and we will then be sued. >> get to the ninth circuit. >> and sue in the ninth circuit and possibly a bad ruling. >> hool rr lose the second round. >> and then we'll end up in the
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supreme court. >> and the supreme court, the president is on solid legal ground. >> and we'll win in the supreme court. >> i believe when it gets to the supreme court, he's going to win. >> look, sean hannity has been a terrific, terrific supporter of what i do. >> i'm joined by op-ed columnist from the "new york times" and this is your vocation, your area of study. i guess my question is who is -- who is listening to whom? does he take the marching orders from hannity? does hannity run the interference for him? >> i get this a lot. fox news in particular and hannity, it's the lens which he sees the world. imagine i had the power to make you think a baseball is coming
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at your face. it's a reflex. and it's less direct instruction and moraboe about shaping the wd trump sees. they're more consistent with what he's sooing. it's not so much that they're the grand puppeteers and in some ways scarier that they're shaping his entire world view because that's the lens through which he sees it all. >> i was with in an airport during this press conference or whatever it was and it was on and there were some people watching, most ignoring it, scrolling through twitter and at theened of the daw i guess we say the president said this and made news on this but the entire performance was jaw dropping and worrisome. that if a friend or loved one talked luke that, you would be real a concerned. >> it showed how inered we are to the catastrophic horror of this presidency.
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if you said in the days after trump was inaugurated when there was mass protests that within two years he would be out there declaring a national emergency and also going on a bizarre rant about the advisability of summasu summa summary execution for drug deal rbz. which didn't make headlines because woor arer soused to fascist rants from this man and unour numness we can't react appropriately. >> people need to call him on his lies and they did it today at the press conference. there's no shame and him say i'm caught. heicize i have better statistics than you when he's called out. >> the other side of that coin or the foundation for that is has a real a deep propaganda
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operati operation will reinforce that to the people who matter the most. if you're a politician, the people with the most power is your supporters. and if he thinks his base is shored up and with imhad, he can get away with anything. that's why you're going to see rush limbaugh on the sunday shows this sunday because he's going to get out and make sure the base is seeing it the same way that trump is. >> think the president over estimates his hold on people and part is what has backed him into this corner. >> he was back to this language that i haven't heard him use in a while about real americans. real americans support this. so in some sense he's incapable of conceptualusing the broad part of the country that has rejkted him. and because and it's why he
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hasn't taken on the rebukes he suffered in the 2018 midterms, because even though most americans reject what he's doing, to him they stop be real americans at all. >> again giving ann coulter attention but she figures prominently in the president's thinning and he's sited her as the basis for the immigration policy. and take a listen. >> more than any other presidential mandate the history of the nation, his mandate was to build a wall. nobody thought he was the governor of the biggest state of the union, regan's vice president. you know he was fdr's -- no. it was one thing. the promise he made every single
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day at every single speech. so forget the fact that he's digging his own grave. this is just look, the only national emergency is that our president is an idiot. >> i can't help but note she omitted the promise thmexico wod pay for it. >> initially it meant they were going to physically pay for it with money but now it could mean he's dpoing to make them pay for it. as long as they feel he's sticking it to them, that's enough. and that's because unlike hannity and limbaugh, shoo doesn't have a platform. she geets borrow a few minutes of other people's platforms. >> which is why she's liberated enough to go against him, interestingly enough. the special counsel's team
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to see proof in action. new tonight the ongoing political cases, plural against president trump's former campaign manager. their sentence recommendation in the eastern district of virginia last year. they're asking the judge for a jail sentence of approximately 19 to 24 years and a fine ranging from 15 to $24 million. the sentencing request came as william barr started his first day as the brand new attorney general. he's in charge of over seeing the mueller vez. and also served as a superior court judge in san diego. carol,let me start with you. the government saying
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essentially these are the guidelines and we agree with those guidelines. what do you think of the fuelling in the manafort case? >> it's not a surprise that they're going for a very high sentence here. what what's shocking to me is paul manafort has done the worst job one can do in terms of defending one's self against serious charnels. he took the government to test, they prevailed in that trial on eight counts. he said he would with cooperate. he lie special prosecutor and 24 judge has found that he lied and his attorneys made the special prosecutor's team angry by continuing to brief the president's lawyer while he perporting to operate. they feel they owe paul manafort nothing and they are going for a
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heavy sentence and a lot of money. >> we got transcripts on wednesday, paul and this is what the judge found, which i thought was interesting because it goes to the crucial issue of this meeting. i find by preponderance of the evidence that manafort made intentional false statements with refaring to particularly his contact with kilmni krbs. >> the stakes are high. manafort is getting not book thrown at hum. who's getting the whole library thrown at him and the question whether mueller is real ea that mad at manafort's failure to cooperate or on the other hand is mueller still hoping that manafort will come pleaing about this crucial aspect of things have.
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sowe know that the judge found that manafort lied about his contact with kilminik. and we know there's a mysterious meeting. he comes all the way from russia to meet with manafort at the time he's a campaign chairman. so why is the chairman of trump's campaign giving private polling data to a guy with ties to russian intelligence and why is me lying about that when the lie is likely to send him to prison for therist of his life? >> there's an interesting ruling where a government response. roger stone basically saying i have the same judge as the case of the indicted russians who allegedly committed the hack. we want a different judge and special counsel sawing no, these are luns.
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some of the documents they stole includi including democratic national committee also interacted directly with ston. concerning other stolen materials posted online and it appears thaw have already issued search warrants for stone coming out of the case. >> first oall of it would be unlikely a judge would send the case somewhere else for reasons such as those and we're getting bread crumbes and unfortunately that's all you're getting is bread crumbs that indicate the spells counsel's office is not looking lat this and sawing gee, we don't know what to make of this. they're putting the story together. >> paul, stone got a gag order he's got to stop making statement thoo
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statements to the media. he's throwing up the nixon victory sign, fund raising. what are the legal issues in whether or not there's a gag order? >> there's first amendment concern of people having the right to freely express themselves and defend themselves in the best way they know how. and she's the judge is saying everything you say on tv can be used against you if you take a stand in the court of law. you're also pausossibly trying tamper with the jury pool. so you're putting your own right to a fair trial at risk. the other thing stone has in common with manafort is neither one of them really has a defense and both looking at possibly dying in prison but they steam be willing to do this on behalf of donald trump. the question is do they have a
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so the order is signed. and i'll sign the final papers as soon as i get in to the oval office and we will have a national emergency and we will then be sued and thaw will sue us in t 9th serbt, even though it shouldn't be there and we'll possibly get a bad ruling and another bad ruling and then we'llened up in the supreme court and hopefully we'll get a fair shake and we'll win in the supreme court.
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>> aside from being bizarre and somewhat disturbing, that rift was actually a tell about his administration's strategy with the courts. they want their cases to go straight to the stream court because they believe they have five conservative votes to win with on oeverything. legal observers have noted this for a while. they keep appealing rulings they don't like from district court bypassing the appellate courts. it is highly irregular. they did with d.a.c.a., a travel ban, a lawsuit over climate change to name a few and today they gave the trump administration what they want a green to leap frog the appeals court citizenship to the next census. they argued they needed this expedited review. the census bureau itself says they could push it back to september.
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opponents of the decision say the citizenship question could make undocumented andile eagle in federal spending. and the plaintiffs in this case won in district court last month. the judge blocked administration from adding the question saying that commerce secretary wilber ross cherry picked facts but administration will get a chance to dismiss the defeat in front of the supreme court where thanks to the justices appointed by president trump, they have a conservative majority. it's a fascinating and enraging case. we've actually done two episodes with one of the aclu lawyers working on it on why is this happening, the podcast. check them out where you get your podcasts. where you get your podcasts.
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reaction to the amazon decision. >> i think it's incredible. i mean, it shows that everyday americans still have the power to organize and fight for their communities and they can have more say in this country than the richest man in the world. >> joining me, stacy mitchell for the institute for local self-reliance and new york magazine. you've been a long-time critic of amazon, particularly the h.q. process. were you surprised? do you think happened? >> it really backfired for amazon in new york. they expected to come in and use the same strong arm tactics they have been using in business and to get government subsides and really ran into opposition and as it became increasingly clear, those sup die subsay diidies we
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jeopardy, the company decided to pull out rather than having to face that negotiation. >> you know, josh, what i found interesting here is building stuff in new york is a hassle and pain, whatever you're doing is a hassle and pain. you got to fight with people, just the way things go and it was interesting to me they didn't seem to have the heart for it. if they wanted to, they could have kept going and had their meetings but they were just like no, we're out. >> if they really needed to be in new york, they would have done that but the thing was amazon have gotten so big that the talent they want to attract, they basically can't be all in seattle, they want to spread out their campuses and settled on new york and washington and when there was a generous incentive package and thought the mayor and governor cleared the way and it wouldn't be a pain for them as it is a lot of people, they were excited about that. when it became clear the ensentiensen ti -- incentive package wouldn't manifest, they don't need a campus with 25,000 employees in
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queens. new york didn't owe amazon $3 billion. amazon did not owe new york. it made sense the deal fell apart. i think it's weird people are acting like amazon had an obligation to come back to the disable. they can go elsewhere. >> i totally agree with that. here is one thing i did find interesting, stacy, this is a reporter who says one factor that concerned amazon executives was how activists in new york city broadened their attacks from the specifics of the deal of the practices far beyond the five burroughs on working with ice with two people familiar with the decision. what do you think of that, stacy? >> what i found really striking in looking what the people on the ground were saying and what elected officials were saying in new york was that they consistently talked about the notion of who sets the rules. you know, this idea that amazon was going to come into this city and set the terms, they were going to set the rules and there was going to be no public process. i thought that message really
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resonated and began to tie into broader concerns shared across the country about amazon's growing structural power in the economy is increasing influence over government, i mean, this is unfolding not just in new york but we're seeing growing opposition to amazon's expansion in virginia skprirg nashvilland. i think amazon really started to feel as though this spotlight in new york and what this conversation was kicking off was a deeper conversation about the nature of amazon's role. >> although, i should note this is something i've seen you note in your writing about this, we have polling on this. all new yorkers supported it 56% but there is an interesting racial breakdown here of sort of 50/50, white new yorkers. 81% latino and today there was a letter at the housing projects near this would have happened expressing frustration and dismay. if there was not unified public opinion on this. >> no, this was not an unpopular
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proposal. there were two polls that i'm aware of. one that had it about tied a little more. one that had support more than 20 points ahead of opposition for the $3 billion package for amazo amazon. there were a lot of people that wanted this and divides constituencies on the left. the mayor is a nationally known progressive and an architect of the deal and a number of unions, some critical of amazon and others that were going to get a piece of this in construction, building workers really wanted this deal to get done. so i think, you know, this are definitely strong criticisms of the deal. i think new york was going to be over paying for amazon but there were a lot of people who had reasons to feel good about this deal and i think when you're sort of celebrating the defeat of it as congresswoman occortez said, there are a lot of people saying hey, i would have liked to see that happen. maybe don't dance for joy we'll have 25,000 jobs not come here with amazon. >> i think it will be interesting to see what the next
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chapter of that conversation is for the political representatives. thanks for joining us. >> thank you. >> that is "all in" for this evening. "the rachel maddow show" starts now. good evening. >> good evening, chris. i'm filing at my desk. there is lots of paper. i got exhibits. i've got some other filings. i've got -- >> well, i'm confused. i'm going to watch "the rachel maddow show" to get a better sense of what happened. i do this for a living but i'm confused what got filed. >> the cliff notes version is that one really important thing intriguing but something important with roger stone. nothing to do with the gag order. >> right, with the warrant. what we learned with the warrant. >> right, and the thing in the michael cohen case today that came out of congress is a big deal. this is a real triple whammy. >> i think it would be funny if i got a private version of the


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