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sarah sanders answers questions from robert mueller. former trump campaign chair paul manafort also could spend the rest of his life in prison or maybe not. and what former acting fbi director andrew mccabe is now revealing about previous conversations inside of the department of justice on how to potentially re -- remove president trump from office. but first, we are at least 30 hours into a national emergency. nearly 4,000 active duty troops will be headed to the border very soon to join 2,300 already troops there on location. and president trump, well right now, he's at mar-a-lago enjoying this long holiday weekend while the rest of wash is in a tail spin. members of congress are lashing out after president trump declared a national emergency. allowing him to now amass $8 billion for border security. just a day prior congress approved roughly $1.4 billion in a funding deal that prevents another government shutdown. criticism of the move is
mounting including from fellow members of the gop, texas senator john cornyn for instance, the number two republican in the senate said it would, quote, not be a practical solution. but president trump maintains he wants to build the wall and he wants to build it soon. >> i went through congress. i made a deal. i got almost $1.4 billion when i wasn't supposed to get $1, not $1 but on the wall they skimped so i was successful in that sense but i want to do it faster. i could do the wall over a longer period of time. i didn't need to do this. but i'd rather do it much faster. >> not only is president trump facing political challenges for the national emergency, but he also can expect a slew of legal challenges along the way to arise as well. a few lawsuits are already in motion and it will probably be more. with me to discuss this, vice
president for the national security program mieke eoyang and elliot williams, jean guerrero from kppd, author of "crux" and former policy director to the mitt romney leehan chup chen. and want to start with this first, jean, being a reporter on the ground and looking at immigration, when we look at the idea of a national emergency, i started by saying we're at least 30 hours in. clearly to make a point that do we feel like we're going through a national emergency? >> right, so san diego has the busiest port of entry in the united states. and just yesterday i was there, i was talking to people who cross the border on a daily basis, there are tens ever thousan -- tens of thousands who cross to go to work and to go to school and go shopping and they cross every day.
so they are at the border every day and i ask what they think about the idea of an emergency at a border and all of them said they think there is absolutely no emergency. and they are there on a daily basis. they did say, though, that this talk of a emergency and the sort of panic that it is creating is creating a lot of concern for their ability to live their bi-national lives. they've seen slowdowns at the port of entry and concern about what this could mean for the ability of people who live on the border to live their normal lives. they say it is increasingly militaryized and people with guns and it gives them anxiety about just doing -- going about their normal day. >> let's stay on that wonderful theme of anxiety. mieke, you are not a certain of anxiety but putting on your old oversight hat have experienced what is coming in the next days and weeks and that is what will congress do as they look forward to trying to stop the
president's national emergency and there are several different options they have. many of which have been discussed prior to even yesterday's announcement. >> that is right. at first we saw congress reject the administration's request for the funding for the wall. so they were saying, we don't agree with this emergency. and then what we're going to see is that nancy pelosi is likely to sue the president. >> and after that does happen, if it were to happen, because clearly the speaker at the moment has been fairly careful, right, in terms of the words that she as used and kept her moves close to the vest here, leehan, as we look at the option she might employ, the criticism has been from republicans. mr. president, please don't do this because this knife cuts both ways. >> well it puts republicans, richard, in a difficult position. obviously you have a number of senior republicans, marco rubio,
john cornyn have come on record and said, look, this is not necessarily the best thing to be exercising executive power in this way. and they point back to the example of how they disagreed with president obama when he used executive authority to institute daca program. and this is essentially a different side of the same coin. so republicans are in a difficult position because they never wanted to take this vote that they're going to have to take here within a matter of weeks, which is to essentially say to the president, no, we don't agree with this exercise of power and no, we don't think it is the best thing for the constitutional balance of power between the congress and the executive. >> elliot, legally what might the president face in terms of the courts across the land, the ninth circuit has been brought up several times in the west. what are you watching? >> it is a tricky one. because the emergency gives the president such broad authority it is a challenging case to win.
now, the fight over wasn't this an emergency or was it not, because look, all of us on the panel could agree this isn't an emergency in the sense we think of one and the bigger fight as mieke said was congress' ability to set the purse and dictate how money is spent, that is the bigger question here. because, look, not 48 hours before the president made this declaration congress had decided and debated in a bipartisan fashion to decide what they would spend border security money on. they made a determination and rejected the president's plan. and as a number of republicans have found, this is just not what congress is embraced, so to some extent they do have the legal challenge there. but of the common sense argument that we wish we could get behind is that is this an emergency or not and that is a tough case to win. and one more point, we saw with the muslim ban case that consumed so much of last year, there is a supreme court
receptive to the note that the president has broad authority to dictate terms of policy and that is what hangs up the legal questions here. >> and i'm waiting and hoping that such a night would not happen. we were on air all night after that did come down across the country in the airport. so stand by my panel if you can just for a moment. i do want to bring a member of congress and that is congresswoman xochitl torres small of new mexico, along the border and sits on the homeland security committee and chair of the subcommittee on oversight and accountability and in short she knows a lot about what may be happening potentially when we look at congressional oversight. what do you way want to see happen here representative, when it comes to oversight? >> thank you, richard. i appreciate this opportunity to talk about the border as i see it having grown up on the border, working on the border. and knowing that we have a very different type of border. so there should be a mile by mile analysis of what the needs are there. a large portion of the border
that i represent is rural. it is remote. and so we have different needs and resources. and one of those large needs is personnel along the border. we have a hard time retaining border patrol agents for example and we don't have the resources that we need in terms of sufficient internet to process claims and transportation and even health care. so we need to make sure that we have have this -- this investment along our most remote stretches the border -- >> go ahead did. >> -- think i another opportunity for oversight is making sure we have an agency that is adapting to changing circumstances as we see different trends in immigration and migration and people presenting at the border as well as attempting to avoid detection. >> certainly in the possibilities that this administration has been looking for, more money, right? more money for more barrier/fence/steel slats. what is the amount of money you think is needed?
>> i think what we need to do is make sure we're making decisions based on that mile by mile analysis. >> yes, right. >> what is the right mix in the right places. and we have to remember that especially when it comes to appropriations, it is a series of trade-offs. so you have to find the most efficient and effective tool and when we want to stop the drugs coming into the country, investing in our ports is one of the most important places because the majority of drugs are coming in through the ports. >> do you support the national emergency? >> it is -- this is not a national emergency. there are real needs along the border. especially in the most remote places where we are seeing increasing numbers of people presenting voluntarily at the border. but that is not a national emergency. that means we need the right resources in the right places. >> has the president gone too far? >> this is -- declaring a national emergency is undermining a bipartisan agreement that was reached, which i think is a good thing in washington. when we could work together in a bipartisan way. so i think it is too far to then
undermine that and i think it sets a bad precedent for our checks and balances. >> do you think you could have the veto proof required vote there in the house? >> it is definitely what we're looking into and i think it is important to talk about real border security and how we fix this in a way that makes sense and instead of partisan rhetoric. >> thank you congress woman xochitl torres small. please go out and enjoy your weekend. i want to bring back the panel. leehan chen, this one of the debrises and now that this president has exercises yet another executive power, potentially understanding more of the toys in the play room, what will be the next >> well, this is the problem with the use of executive action and the way it has been used in this situation. is that there is no theoretical end to how one might interpret
the law. let's take this national emergency as an example. the president's relying on a statute 10 usc 2808 that said you can reallocate military construction funds if the military -- if the situation or emergency requires the military. well if you have that interpretation for this particular situation, you could imagine that interpretation going into a whole host of other situations and so the challenge is when the president -- and any president uses executive authority in such a wide way, in such a sweeping way, it creates some serious problems of precedence and it creates, frankly, some serious problems for the separation of powers between congress and the presidency. it usurps the authority that congress has to legislative to make the laws. >> mieke build on what leehan said there as well as the representative. >> what you see an emergency declarations is that most presidents have been very careful about declaring an
emergency. and they've only do it when we really have one. so courts have given them tremendous discretion in defining what an emergency is. but here, when the president is declaring this emergency and we have the situation that is very clearly not an emergency, for the first time you may see courts rolling back the president's authority to declare an emergency. >> and that is what a lot of people watching now -- jean, when you were listening to the represent speak specifically, because she knows given the district that she and the state that she is in, do you think that is what is going to be the palatable centrist message that is digestible as legislation and policy is trying to be evolved there in the beltway. >> i think absolutely. it is so important -- the whole notion of whether or not this is an emergency is important. even though when you see groups like the aclu and another groups that have stated their intent to
sue over this, they say that the main concern is the president bypassing the will of congress, using this emergency to bypass the will of congress. but it is important to specify whether or not this is a real emergency because some of the groups that i've spoken with, they talk about this slippery slope towards what they call authoritarianism, when you could make up emergencies for example, this idea of voter fraud during the election, you never know what the president might then use the power -- this type of power to do such as sending military forces to the polling places, that is one idea thrown out by one of the immigrant groups i spoke with. so, yeah, just taking the enter line approach seems like the most reasonable thing. >> staying on the political note very quickly leehan chen, several have come out against trump's decision. is this the crucible where moderate conservatives are now no longer in the discussion? is this really going to be what
we're going to see moving forward, having to make a decision based on the national emergency? >> well, i mean they're put in a difficult position but this is where the rubber does hit the road for cornyn and others who said the president should not have the authority and should not do that because it upsets their role in congress. >> okay. thank you, elliot williams stays with us and the rest of the panel, thank you so much for spending your time with us. coming up, the russia investigation, lots of new developments to dive into including paul manafort potentially lengthy prison sentence and a gag order for roger stone and sarah sanders sits down with robert mueller. oh, what a friday to saturday it has been. we have an excellent panel to weigh in on all of that. we have an excellent panel to weigh in on all of that. ♪ your grace. your majesty. your king.
well, it has been a wild day in the russia investigation. just some of the things that happened in the last 24 hours. just in case you decided to go to sleep. prosecutors in virginia delivered a harsh sentencing memo for paul manafort and saes admits to being interviewed by the special counsel and house dems lied about michael cohen hush money payments but first facing the possibility of spending the rest of his life in jail is paul manafort. the reality for the former campaign manager. just last night federal prosecutors in virginia filed a scathing sentencing memo reading in part, the sentence here
should reflect the seriousness of these crimes and serve to deter manafort and others from engaging in such conduct. in august he was convicted of multiple crimes related to his work in ukraine and last week he was found guilty of breaching a plea deal with prosecutors in that case. while there is no sentence demand, last night's memo agrees with problems guidelines to at least 19 and a half years in prison. as much as 24. let's bring in our panel kevin cirilli and katie phang legal contributor and elliot williams former attorney general under president obama and elliot has been lobbying for the center for a fair judiciary a group advocating for the mueller report. well kevin cirilli, as we say, every 24 hours -- it is an exciting time to be a journalist. so from that large menu that we've thrown out there to you of the four, which stands out, do you think? >> well, i mean, i think the bottom line is that this
investigation is just only intensifying. and if you look at past 24 hours in particular, you really get that sense. for paul manafort, i think sometimes we can't see the forest from the trees. paul manafort, the republican presidential nominee's co-campaign chairman is behind bars. and could face the rest of his life in prison for not disclosing foreign governments that he was representing as well as a host of other financial dealings. that to me -- every time this paul manafort -- every time there is a new legal court proceeding, i just don't think we can underscore that enough. >> and staying on manafort for a second, katie, he could spend the rest of his life in jail. that is the headline. let's take a step back, though. what does he know where he may be willing to go to jail for the rest of his life and why would he be willing to do so? >> it is more along the lines of what anybody would believe what
comes out of his mouth at this point in time. remember, he struck a cooperation deal to cooperate with mueller and forward prosecutors and give information that people would have to use for other prosecutions and he lied. so right now his word is not worth anything. he's 69 years old and you know that he's going to get anywhere between 19 to 24 years in federal prison. he's going out in a body bag. that is the bottom line. >> and that is just virginia. that is just the virginia case. when we look at this as well, elliot, to you on this, what stands out for you on manafort and the pages that were out there -- there was obviously the russian connection kilimnik, the redactions that were quite heavy in this report and what might that say? >> again, everybody is fixated on was there collusion or was there not, what can you prove about the trump campaign. when we know, in fact, there were attempts to coddle and deal
with and interact with russian actors that were seeking to interfere in our election system. this cigar bar meeting we just heard about a few days ago, that manafort is said to minimized his relationship to, where they literally exit through three different exits in the cigar bar. you hear about shady deals being cut in smoke-filled room and this is literally a smoke-filled room in a cigar bar and almost defies common sense and logic they are this careless and sloppy and as katie said so prone to lying. so the extent of manafort's connection to russian intelligence, so one of the things he's found to have lied to prosecutors about was the extent of his relationships with this individual kilimnik tied to russian intelligence. if that is not troubling -- it may not be something you can charge criminally but it is troubling that the chair of the president's campaign committee has these ties. and across a number of individuals with ties to the campaign we are seeing this
followed by attempts to cover it up and lie about it. so you ask an open-ended question but there is so much wrongdoing, it is hard to know what is the most significant point. >> the prosecutors notebook pick cigar bars with many exits. kevin cirilli, let's move on to roger stone. because according to what we're seeing, what we're reading, and what came out in the last 24 hours, there could be evidence here of him speaking and having contact, i should say, with wikileaks which he's consistently denied. this is a big point in this investigation at least in the public. >> absolutely. roger stone has made clear in his self defense that he said he do not have any communications with wikileaks and he was lying to reporters when he suggested that he did have as much. that said, if you read through the indictment, that 23-page indictment where he was charged
virtually with lying under oath to congressional committees, i mean, he's in a lot of -- facing a lot of legal pressure. i think the bottom line, though, is again the top line view here. take a step back. this now is someone who was candidate donald trump and private citizen donald trump closest confident ant in many ways prior to -- to him becoming president and so really at the birth of donald trump's political career, roger stone was there. and then someone like paul manafort, paul manafort was there. so all of this, as you know, richard, is truly going to only add to the speculation when bob mueller's team finally does conclude, and added pressure for it to be made public. >> and you said it earlier, kevin, it is showing that there are certainly more branches to the investigation. >> absolutely. >> and the gag order also on roger stone because he was talking too much. sarah sanders probably not
talking too much. >> at all. >> katie phang, or at all. and that was also what we learned. is that she has been -- or has spoken with the investigative team here. >> so late 2018 around the time that then chief of staff john kelly was speaking to the mueller team, sarah sanders was interviewed by the mule ea-- th mueller team and what did she say? we don't know. but what did he want to get out of the interview. to get her to say whether what the public heard from the white house, what the public heard from the trump administration actually met with the reality and that is the key to the mueller investigation. he has his hands on evidence that we don't know about. he has his hands on independent corroborating objective evidence where he could look at it and say, richard, you said this but this piece of paper said not but he won't confront her during the interview but we know the white house put up a lot of obstacles and didn't want her to sit down and speak to mueller, so why not. >> well what did she say? >> well maybe she asserted
executive privilege which doesn't belong to her, it belongs to trump. but because she works for the administration she could say that executive privilege is being aserlted and doesn't have to answer the question, but what does that mean? look out for the subpoena and the house and senate, they will serve you with a subpoena to come and talk. we don't know what value has. she's a serious trump surrogate and his mouth piece but did she know what she knows and who did she see and what happens on her watch. >> let's take from what katie said, look out for the house, elijah cummings putting out memos and in those memos he's saying, hey, some trump lawyers have lied in relationship to michael cohen and what has been said about their discussions with him. this is yet another -- and we know michael cohen is going to be going to jail for not telling the truth. >> yeah. this is what happens when a co-equal branch of government has subpoena authority and the ability to investigate. and in fact, some of these investigations -- like cohen's
testimony before congress probably has the capacity to do more to donald trump than even paul manafort because the house oversight committee could look into are all of the things going back 30 years, all of the -- the deals that michael cohen has struck, all of the conversations he's had and remember the rules of evidence and the rules that sort of apply in a courtroom don't apply in congress. so here say cou-- so hearsay co come in and if this were a trial would never be allowed to make it into the proceeding. so congress has a tremendous amount of authority and the segment we did earlier on congress versus the president, when you have a co-equal branch of government it is their job and th-- their duty and they ha a mandate to do what they want and we're going to see it coming up in the hearings. >> kevin cirilli and elliot wim equipment and katie phang. thank you.
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. well, a little less than a year away from the first presidential primary but democrats are in full campaign mode. you've seen it. they're criss-crossing the key battleground states speaking to potential voters and meanwhile president trump might have one more thing to worry about. a possible republican challenger. former massachusetts governor bill weld launched his exploratory committee on friday urging the gop to return to being the party of abraham lincoln. >> they say the president has captured the republican party in washington. i see himself might tweet sad. it is even sadder that republicans in washington, many of them, exhibit all of the symptoms of stockholm syndrome, identifying with their captor. >> so far the president has not weighed in but one person he's talking about former congressman
beto o'rourke. they held duelling rallies in el paso. >> you have the people that nobody ever heard of that are running for office. i said who is that? that person was a mayor of a city that was defeated. well how about beto? beto was defeated too, right. >> here with us now for their picks for this week, looking forward to the 2020 election, political power player of the week is susan del percio and basil smikle. the dynamic duo as i like to call them. susan, let's start with you, who is your power player of the week? >> well it would be amy klobuchar looking at 2020. because she had a great kickoff speech in the snow and it was grit and she raised more -- she raised a million dollars in 48 hours. i will also give honorable mention to bill weld only because it will drive donald trump crazy that he will have to share some of his coverage with
him. >> so you pick sort of bill weld, a poke in the side of donald trump. you the republican to the republican probable nominee. >> correct. >> who is your power player of the week? >> i have to big joe biden. even though he's not official yet, i picked him because i agree amy klobuchar had a great sort of announcement. i've always talked about her having really great energy from the midwest and really good senator. i don't like the fact that we've been spernding a lot of time talking about her temperament. i think that is a little misogynistic, but all right. and even kamala harris talking about sort of the dispelling the rumors about the memes on the internet. so i think they've had good weeks and sort of being able to craft their own narrative but the thing about joe biden is he's edging closer to making a decision and i get the sense he has sort of frozen a lot of people in place, donors before they come fully with policy that he is the one that everybody is waiting on to make that decision. once he does, it sort of frees
up everybody to do what they want to do. >> where does the money go? you brought that up a second ago with clob char. what about the right. those who are republican and independent and they have millions and billion dollars to be put out there. and where will they go with bill weld there? >> i don't think they'll go with bill weld that much on the money but they won't go too far with donald trump. but they are not going to -- they will hedge their bets. in 2016 one of the reasons his inauguration committee was -- so many people gave was because they never gave to him in 2016 for the election because they never thought he would get elected. so they doubled down on the inaugural committee. i think you will see some people spending that money. it is just where it has to go. i think you'll see other people spending dollars not necessarily pro-bill weld but rather to soften the ground perhaps to make it more viable and also for
maybe another candidate to get in. but also on the senate and the house. >> i want to get your thought on this basil because you've been part of this before, tom perez came out and the head of dnc said these are the rules we don't want to repeat what didn't work well with the republicans the year before moving into the debate season because it is right in front of us. msnbc and nbc news being the first one to have one out there. >> yeah, i think that is important. because we've seen some changes in the dnc sort of operations earlier -- >> you're welcome by the way. >> right. with the superdelegates so this is a direct result of the bernie and hillary debated in that cycle so i think it is a good thing and i think -- >> tonight's not an upper class and lower class, none of that sort of division. >> i hope we don't have the happy hour debates, i don't want that. but it goes back to something sha susan said, bill weld being in the race is good for us because it keeps donald trump
occupied and what i don't want to see if the two or 20 people in the race is donald trump due to the democrats what he did to the republicans on the debate stage, use his platform to create a narrative for our candidates before they have an opportunity to create one for themselves. so by the time they get to the general it is already -- >> there is a lot of executive time on that schedule. i think he could do both basil, sorry to say. >> the concern is not that he can't do both, but that he frames the narrative for our candidates before they have an opportunity to do it for themselves so when they get to the general, we've sort of got the -- the jeb or the whatever little marco, those types of sort of sentiments directed toward our candidates before -- >> isn't that 2016 now, the worry for democrats they have too many narrative all going strong. >> and i think actually dish know we talk about who won the cycle this week but i think two people that got hurt very badly were cory booker and kristen
gillibrand on the democratic side because -- neither one of them are in the top three names you hear. because typically in the news they list the two or three names. neither one of them are in it and those are donors, just going back to your money question, those are people who have base northeast donors used to giving in big clips and come from real estate and industries that are deemed taboo on the left. >> and those are the folks to watch. because they've never had so many candidates to figure out who to put their money down on. >> they're keeping their -- >> that is a new game on the left, certainly. thank you so much susan del percio and basil smikle. love you both. coming up, the trump versus the truth. we fact check the announcement of a national emergency and tell you how many false or misleading claims he made. and now that the president declared a national emergency, what is actually going on at our southern border. we'll take you live to the planet's busiest border crossing.
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. declaring a national emergency, avoiding a government shutdown, and hosting a campaign rally in a border city that overwhelmingly voted against him in 2016. president trump had a lot to say about all of those things this week. according to numbers from the toronto star, the president may along the way 25 false claims in just the last week. that brings his total if you are counting to 4,350 since taking
office. now while declaring that national emergency along the southern border, the president added to the tally when he said this -- >> the numbers that come out of homeland security, kirstjen, for the cost we spend and money we lose because of illegal immigration, billions and billion dollars a month. >> so let's look at that. well nbc news fact checkers found that department of homeland security does not release data on how much illegal immigration costs the country. president claimed the u.s. loses between 250 and $275 billion a year on illegal immigration. numbers that experts across the political spectrum say were probably an exaggeration. and there was the continued claim that drugs are pouring into the country in pun protected areas. take a listen. >> when you look and listen to politicians, in particular certain democrats, they say it
all comes through the port of entry. it's wrong. it is just a lie. >> well according to nbc fact checkers, government reports have shown that illegal drugs enter through ports of entry. and you've heard that before. it is not just democrats who have publicly acknowledged that information. meanwhile, an overwhelming majority of people disapprove of the president declaring a national emergency. 65% are not on board compared to 32% of people who support the president, rather. let as go to scott cohn along the border at port of entry in san ysidro and tijuana known as the place to go. scott, how are people reacting? as i started the show by saying we are 30 hours at least into this national emergency with thousands of more troops aimed at going to the border to join about 2,000 that are there already. how does it feel and what are people saying?
>> reporter: well, it doesn't feel like there is any emergency going on here at this -- the most -- the busiest port of entry anywhere in the world. last year alone, some more government statistics from bureau of transportation, 25 million crossings, people coming over back and forth, whether by bus, by car, on foot, a lot of them and tijuana residents who work here and some of them cross over daily and they work and go to school and they come here to go shopping and of those we talked to, they don't see a crisis. >> what threat? he needs to come and stand here and really see what the threat is. and then go from there. >> to be honest, i don't see any emergency. this morning when i woke up, i said i heard about it. but coming in, five minutes and we were in and it is no problem. >> reporter: now to be clear, this is probably the most fortified part of the bodder. there is not only a wall but a fence and wire and cameras and
everywhere else. this is one of those ports of entry where the statistics say that the -- the vast majority of illegal drugs come over and this will get some funding under that compromised spending bill. the president, though, down playing that part of the crisis saying that he's getting more money than he knows what to do with here. for now, richard, it is pretty much business as usual here in san ysidro. >> it is a massive port of entry, as a young californians i went up and down the state many time, my friend. scott cohn there in san ysidro and on the other side tijuana. coming up, a victim of gun violence and just 17 years old is not waiting on politicians or lawmakers to make real change when it comes to gun control. marcel mcclinton is going to run for city council in the nation's fourth largest city and we'll talk to him to find out what inspired him to run and what he's going to do. but first, as we go to break, a check of the weather. it is cold out there.
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not legally allowed to own a gun, that's what authorities are saying about the organism in yesterday's mass shooting in aurora, illinois. there were five that were killed there, six police officers were injured. now the aurora police chief stace gunman opened fire at a meeting during which he was being terminated from his job. people personally affected by gun violence tend to respond in a variety of ways. some take to the streets in protest, some call the politicians, and a select few decide to get up and take political office themselves and try to win. freshmen congresswoman lucy mcbath was inspired to run after losing her teenage son jordan in a 2012 shooting. and then there's this young man,
marcel mcclinton, the 17-year-old is a shooting survivor, a coorganizer of march for cower lives in houston and a nonpartisan candidate running for houston city council. marcel, thank you for joining us. very quickly, what was the situation that inspired you to run? >> first of all, thank you for having me tonight. yeah, what inspired me to run is, i mean, 2016 i survived a shooting along with the entire west houston memorial area. i was teaching sunday school and a shooter went on a rampage and terrorized the community and a lot of folks that were in the church. didn't know if he would come in the building or not. mytism on this issue, gun violence and trying to prevent it in every city across country, especially those impacted is minorities. i've heard the stories and it's broken you. >> like you said, personally affected and the church, always a shock to so many folks. glad you made it out of there.
what do you hope to do differently when it comes to being a city council member and dealing with the issue of guns? >> yeah. so the issue of guns and gun violence prevention in the city is top priority. public safety. i have served on the mayor's commission and we've explored new ways to tackle the issue at the local level and how we can pressure the state of texas to do more on this issue and save lives. but there's also human trafficking and flooding and growing metra to reach katy and galveston. there's gun violence, public safety, but so many issues that we're highlighting in the campaign. >> let's look at the annual gun law scorecard. when you look at the states across the country, specifically illinois, it gets a "b." texas gets an "f." >> i mean, yeah.
texas is failing. texas is not doing enough on the issue. just this past week i was in austin for a lobby day. we were fighting for gun rien violence laws. we are getting traction. i think texas is definitely next. if texas can do it and lead on this issue, there's no excuse for any other state not to be able to. >> how much money have you raised my friend? >> we have phrased, i got to take another look. we're definitely i think $7,000 now. we have a fundraiser coming up. >> on your website we have here is where you are raising money and you have a very clear view in terms of what you would like done on several issues. as you look forward here, who do you think would be the sort of candidate, the sort of politician you would like to be? i know beto o'rourke is part of what you're doing
>> beto o'rourke ran a great campaign. i've considered him a great friend. he's transformed the state of texas and texas is now a state that can lean either way, it's left or right. i'm not going to bring that into my campaign. it's not trying to copy other lawmakers or elected officials. i want to be my own person and stay true to the people. >> we cannot forget how important houston is to the country, sixth largest in the country, is that right? it's a very important melting pot >> and we're on track to be third. >> there you go. maybe my numbers are way off at the moment. who inspired you and your family to do this? >> my mom. my mom is a fighter, a hard worker. she's been pooifighting. she's from germany, came here not speaking a lick of english, left a marriage and then fought every day to upper right-hand side my sister and i would turn out better, have more in life.
so she's inspired me. >> marcel mcclinton, candidate for houston city council, 17 years old. thank you so much and best of luck to you, my friend. thank you. >> absolutely, thank you so much. good night. >> good evening. before we go, a quick programming note. tomorrow as jeff bezos fights back against "the national enquirer," msnbc looks at the ceo. who is the billionaire behind the empire? watch it 9:00 p.m. eastern on msnbc. ♪ ♪ and everywhere i go ♪ there's always something to remind me ♪ ♪ of another place and time ♪ ♪ ♪ of another place and time ♪
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that does it for me this hour. thanks for sticking around on msnbc. i'm richard lui, you can follow me on facebook and twitter. for now i turn it to reverend al sharpton and "politicsnation." good evening and welcome to "politicsnation." tonight's lead, national emergency, unable to sell democrats in congress on the need for plonz billions of dollr his border wall, president trump signs a compromised spending bill and decides he'll just soak the taxpayers directly by declaring an emergency to get it. >> i'm going to be signing a national emergency, and i