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but i disagreed with many presidents. but i have never seen one that i did not think did not reach the bar of presidential behavior the way you have. spend presidents' day to grow into being presidential that does it for me. thanks for watching. see you back here next friday, 5:00 p.m. eastern. up next, "meet the press" with chuck todd. this sunday, national emergency. president trump makes that declaration to build a wall after congress refuses him the money. >> we're talking about an invasion of our country with drugs, with human traffickers and with all types of criminals and gangs. >> the move unites democrats. >> this declaration of an emergency is completely unnecessary. >> there's no rational reason to do this. >> and splits republicans. some for. >> trump's only sin is that
he's enforcing the law. >> and some against. >> the real concern that i have is the precedent that this sets. >> what will republicans who say they're opposed do when it comes to vote? i'll talk too republican senator rob johnson of wisconsin. >> amazon ditches its new york city plans after protests by progressives. >> everyday americans still have the power to organize and fight for their communities. >> but amazon's decision exposes a split among progressive democrats. >> i'll take on any progressive anywhere that thinks it's a good idea to lose jobs and revenue because i think that's out of touch with what working people want. >> that progressive versus centrist rift can play a big role in 2020. my guests are bill de blasio and the head of the democratic committee tom perez. joining me for insight and analysis are amy walter, eliana
johnson and eddie glaude jr. jonah goldberg. senior editor at national review. welcome to sunday. it's "meet the press." >> from nbc news in washington, the longest running show in television history. this is "meet the press" with chuck todd. good sunday morning. when president trump declared a national emergency on friday it revealed another emergency for the president much closer to home. his own. it's a political emergency and one of his own making. mr. trump has united democrats against him and divided republicans against him and he set up a court battle even he suggests he could lose. mr. trump seemed to admit that the emergency is more about protecting his base when he said he didn't need it to declare his emergency. he just wanted to build his wall faster. at the same time, our two parties are facing national emergencies of their own. you have a democratic party that outpolled republicans in six of the last seven presidential elections by winning back centrist voters. it now finds itself though, challenged by an emerging
progressive wing that is eager to push the party sharply to the left and the republican party once defined by free trade, strict constitutional principles an at least the appearance of caring about the national debt has now tethered itself to a president who mocks all of those traditional conservative norms. mr. trump meanwhile has tethered himself to his base which he sees as critical to any re-election chances, but what is emerging is a picture of a president who refuses to even lead his base and instead is admitting he is being lead by it. >> we will have a national emergency and we will then be sued. >> president trump after the biggest legislative defeat of his presidency announcing he will bypass congress and divert billions of dollars from projects and build his wall. >> they will sue us in the ninth circuit even though it shouldn't be there and then we will possibly get another bad ruling and another bad ruling and then we'll end up in the supreme court and hopefully we'll get a fair shake and we'll win in the supreme court.
>> with illegal border apprehensions down 76% from a high in 2000 the president appeared to undercut the urgency of his own argument. >> i could build the wall a long time, but i didn't want to do this. but i want to do it much faster. >> he railed against president obama for subverting the constitution of the u.s. for his own benefit and unable to negotiate with congress. >> it's not the way the country is supposed to be run and you're supposed to go through congress and make a deal. >> some senate republicans are call the move extra constitutional, unwise, a bad idea, a rabbit hole and a mistake. >> this is not what the national emergency act was intended to be used for. >> what about if somebody else thinks climate change is a national emergency. what will they do and how far will they go? >> it is not clear how many republicans will actually vote to disapprove of the emergency
declaration. just two weeks ago -- >> national emergencies that have been issued in the past have not been contentious. i'm pretty sure that this one would be. >> but now -- >> i'm going to support the national emergency declaration. >> you are watching mitch mcconnell eat a manure sandwich in this whole process. >> democrats have their own challenges as the center of graph graphty shifts left ward. republicans dust off an old line of attack. >> that's called socialism. socialism is on trial. >> on thursday amazon announced it was abandoning plans to build a new corporate campus in new york city after protests from progressives. >> i think it's incredible. i think it shows that everyday americans still have the power to organize and fight for their communities and they can have more say in this country than the richest man in the world. >> new york city mayor bill de blasio is calling amazon's
decision disrespectful. he's also taking on the other democrats. >> i'll take on any democrat anywhere that thinks it's a good idea to lose jobs and revenue because i think that's out of touch with what working people want. >> earlier, i caught up with republican senator ron johnson of wisconsin, the chairman of the homeland security committee. he's attending the annual gathering of world leaders at the munich security congress. let me start with the declaration of a national emergency. i'm aware there have been dozens of them since the law was passed in 1976, but by our research and reading and our understanding this is the first national emergency that has attempted to spend money that congress specifically said no to. how is that not presidential overreach? >> well, i think your research is probably correct. i think many of us are concerned about this. i think past congresses have given them -- given the administration way too much power and this is an expansion of that power. that's why we're concerned about this.
the better way to have this solved would be for the democrats to support when they supported in the past and give this president funding for better barriers which we need. we need to secure our border and we need to fix our horribly broken legal and illegal immigration system and hopefully after this impasse now is over in terms of funding the government we can sit down on a bipartisan basis and start solving these problems and fix our systems. >> isn't this an issue then for the president, and i say this because, senator, congress, this is the way it works, right? it's city ride issed government. you came to a compromise. they gave some money. the president himself admitted he could go back and ask for more which is the way how things work between the executive and the legislative, but he decided he didn't want to wait. is that an emergency? >> well, again, my question is how much can we actually spend in the remaining eight months of this fiscal year? my preference would have been, let's not shut down the government and let's do this through the legislative process
and let's sit down in the brp bipartisan basis and start fixing the problems. i know my staff gave you a chart -- >> yeah. >> of unaccompanied family and children in this country. this is not a manufactured crisis, chuck. 120,000 unaccompanied children and families came in 2013 and president obama called that a humanitarian crisis. last year 150,000 unaccompanied children and family, in this fiscal year we're at 120,000 people. we're at 2014 levels just in the first four months of this year. so it's a problem. it has to be solved. it will have to be solved on a bipartisan basis. divided government is when you sometimes can do big things and hopefully we can do big things and fix this. >> is the president's move unconstitutional in your view? >> i don't think so. it's certainly an expansion of authority congress has given past presidents. this president has the same authority. i wish he wouldn't use it in this case. but again i understand his frustration. >> where does he have the
authority on this? where do you believe he has the authority and the constitution on this? >> from what i can see it comes from a number of different pieces of legislation. the national emergency act. there are other pockets of money that give him the authority for example the department of defense to fight drugs. i mean, obviously putting up better barriers is part of the effort to combat that flow of heroin, for example, that's poisoning our cities. so, no, listen, this is a real problem. it's way more than just a policy crisis. it is a humanitarian crisis. president obama called that a humanitarian crisis in 2014. we're at that level just a third into the year. >> so you believe his use of the national emergency act, i want to clarify this, is constitutional. you believe it will be upheld in the courts? do you want the courts to uphold this power? >> listen, i regret that past congresses have given the president, any president a lot -- the congress' constitutional authority.
it's done in tariffs. it's done in many cases. we should have three co-equal branches. right now the presidency is the most powerful and then the courts. congress is really diminished and we should start taking back the congressional authority and return the balance, but that's the way it is and again, particularly when congress has given the president's authority it's when the president's authority is even stronger than what's written in the constitution. >> are you going to vote to disapprove of the president's use of this -- of the national emergency act when it comes to the senate? the house is likely to vote on a resolution of disapproval that will come to the senate. where would you vote on that? >> i'm going to take a look at the case the president makes, and i'm also going to take a look at how quickly this money will be spent versus where he's going to use. if he's not going to spend it this fiscal year or very early in this fiscal year, then i'll have my doubts. and i'll take a look at it when i actually have to vote on it.
>> do you share the concern that other conservatives have if this is allowed to become precedent where a president is thwarted by a congress that he disagreed with that he can end run congress and declare a national emergency to take appropriated money and spend it anywhere, climate change, gun, you name it. >> absolutely, i share those concerns which is why we'll take a careful look at what he's doing here in this instance, but again, i have to stress, this president has been thwarted in his attempt to keep this nation safe and secure, to secure our borders. let's face it, if this president can claim a mandate on anything he ran on it's on exactly this issue, better barriers and securing our borders and democrats and congress have supported this in the past and they won't support it now because it's president trump. it's an easy solution and just have them stop being hypocrites. >> i understand that you want to blame the democrats.
let me ask you this. republicans controlled the house and senate for the first two years of this presidency. your fellow home state republican paul ryan was speaker of the house. is this not on congressional republicans and the president that were in this situation in the first place? >> you said we controlled both chambers. we didn't. we had a majority in the senate. you don't control it. we need democrats to support us and they've been unified in trying to thwart this president's number one issue in the campaign to secure the border. we didn't have any control. we never had cooperation from democrats which is regrettable. >> you're in munich. it's an important security conference, and i also know there was a big moment that honored john mccain during this conference. i want to play something that the late senator mccain said to me the last time he was in munich two years ago. here it is. >> they are puzzled and they are concerned. they realize that the lynchpin of the western alliance is the united states of america and they worry particularly when they see increased testings of this union that's being
conducted by vladimir putin as we speak. >> my understanding is there are still concerns from european leaders that they're nervous the united states isn't as solid with nato, isn't as solid with europe when it comes to putin as it once was. this is an important, i know you chair an important subcommittee on this issue. are those concerns still being expressed by our european alli allies? >> let me first say john mccain is missed. his presence is missed, but there are a record number of house senators and members here over 50 and we're making that point that we value nato. we realize nato has been crucial keeping europe whole, free and at peace for over 70 years and it's crucial now in its support in afghanistan and iraq for our foreign presence and really trying to thwart president putin's aggression into eastern ukraine so, no, we are here supporting nato, and i think our european partners and nato allies are hearing that loud and clear. >> senator ron johnson, i
appreciate you. i know it's an outdoor street out there in munich. i appreciate you giving me a few minutes of your time. >> have a good day. >> redefining what it means to be a conservative these days, progressives, their scuttling of amazon's plans for the major expansion in new york city and the 25 to 40,000 jobs and a larger tax base it would have brought with them. senator elizabeth warren among others cheered the news. she tweeted that amazon walked away all because some elected officials in new york aren't sucking up to them enough and a majority of new yorkers and a majority of democrats supported the amazon deal in new york state. the episode exposed a growing rift between the democratic progressives and the traditional centrists and joining me now is the mayor of new york city, bill de blasio, who i guess would argue he's caught in the middle. >> i'm a progressive and proud to be progressive and are about jobs and working people.
that's the central progressive value. >> i read your op ed in "the new york times" and you seem to -- you seem to blame amazon for walking away. but let me ask you this. you also argue that it was a fair deal. why did fellow progressives not trust you that you had come up with a good, fair deal and you called it on solid foundation. >> chuck, it's a democracy. i have no problem with my fellow progressives critiquing a deal or wanting more from amazon. i wanted more from amazon, too, but the bottom line this is an example of an abuse of corporate power. they had an agreement with the new york earns. the majority of new yorkers believed in it. they wanted the jobs and the revenue that would help us to create more affordable housing and better mass transit and there was a consensus in new york city. there were some people that stood apart, that's fine, and that's democracy and i respect them. amazon just took their ball and went home and what they did was confirm people's worst fears about corporate america. here is the 1% dictating to everyone else even though we gave them a fair deal, and i think it will frustrate people
all over this country to see a company treat a neighborhood and a city like that. >> well, if you're in amazon's shoe, the deal that was offered to them they take it and now you want to change the deal. is that -- if you're in their shoes, that's what it might have looked like to them, did it not? how did it look like oh, it looks like they want to change the deal, how long do you want to do that and at some point i have 20 other cities in america. >> no. you have to be a good corporate neighbor. i think things are changing in this country. i think working people are rightfully are demanding their fair share and they look at a situation where health and power are concentrated in the hands of the 1% and they don't like what they see and they're demanding more back. we said to amazon, this is a fair deal. bring us 24,000 jobs. >> and they took it. >> ultimately when you give us the revenue and the bargain, you'll get some incentives. but we need to work together on behalf of this community and they said they wanted a
partnership and there were criticisms and they walked away. what does that say to working people that a company would leave them high and dry simply because they raised criticism and they had a clear majority on their side. they were more concerned about their corporate image. >> do you think they were afraid of new york politics and the pr? >> that sure looks like that way. they couldn't handle the heat in the kitchen is what it looked like and they let a lot of working people down in the bargain. >> i want to play you something from congresswoman ocasio-cortez because i'm curious do see if that's a factual divide on how this worked. take a listen. >> if we were willing to give amazon -- if we were willing to give away $3 billion for this deal, we could invest those $3 billion in our district ourselves if we wanted to. we could hire out more teachers. we can fix our subways. we could put a lot of people to work with that money if we wanted to. >> if seems when you give out a tax incentive that somehow that's money you had over here and it was going over there. this is money that didn't exist
this $3 billion. >> correct. >> do you feel as if this is a problem in trying to explain how this deal worked? >> this was a deal that was going to bring $27 billion in revenue to the state and city for things like public education, mass transit and affordable housing and that was going back in tax incentives only after we were getting the jobs. >> it's not getting $3 billion. >> exactly. >> it doesn't exist anywhere. >> exactly. here is the bottom line. i think people were looking for fairness here. they were looking for a positive outcome for everyday people. that meant jobs and that meant revenue to improve their lives. we saw amazon make that deal and then walk away. in the terms of the progressive movement, i'm a proud progressive. we have a city that's working we have the most jobs that we have and we're the safest big city in america. progressives can govern and also give back to working people. that's why we have paid sick leave and that's why we announced a plan for two weeks paid vacation for everyone that works in new york city because
working people deserve more. we can do that in the context of a thriving economy. that's where progressives need to go. >> what would you have done differently about this deal if you could now? now that you know they've walked away? anything you would have done differently? would you not have endorsed it in hindsight? >> i think you can't do hindsight because it's so particular. the powerful people and the ultimate members of the 1% got together in boardroom in seattle and made an arbitrary decision and we couldn't see that coming. i'm a proud progressive and what progressives need to do is show working people that we need more for them, that we will stop this horrible reality of concentration of power in the hands of the 1%. we had a chance to do something very positive for our city and working people and by the way, not minimum wage jobs which we all believe in $15 minimum wage. these will be higher paying jobs, that folks who went to our public schools could get and it would have been transcendent. the progressive movement needs to be about equality, but also
opportunity for working people. >> who are you speaking for here? it sounded like you were trying to explain to the progressive movement how economics works? it does seem like that's the disconnect. >> i am representing 8.6 million people and those people believe we need more fairness in our economy and of course we need jobs, we need growth and revenue. progressives can do both. we're doing it in new york city up every day and it can be done and this is where we will resonate with the american people if we make clear we are on their side and we'll produce for them. >> barack obama once quoted ronald reagan as saying progressives sometimes argue too much over how to divide the pie and not how to expand it. do you think that is still the case now with the progressive movement? >> i think the challenge is to show we can do both and in new york city we are doing both. we have 4.5 million jobs, we are raising wages, raising benefits and giving people universal healthcare. we're proving that progressives can achieve those things. >> amazon is not one of these companies that has been thought of as a total, you know, they
just race through laws and they raised minimum wage and they raised voluntarily to $15. if you chased away an amazon, are you worried it will chase away -- >> no, no, let's be clear. no one chased away. this was amazon's arbitrary decision. we had an agreement and if i had an agreement with you and there were issues that came up and you wouldn't call me in the dead of night and say we're taking our marbles and going home. let's be clear about who made the decision. this is the problem. when you have so much wealth and power in the hands of very few it does not work for working people. i say there is plenty of money in this world and plenty of money in this country, but it's in the wrong hands. and amazon is making my point for me. what they did was arbitrary and unfair to working people. >> are you taking this message nationally and run for president? >> i have not ruled it out, and this is an urgent moment and there is an inequality in this country that is threatening to tear us apart. i feel an urgency. look at what's happening. people do not feel they're getting rewarded for their labor so when i say something like we'll mandate new york city two
weeks and paid time off for every working person. we have to do that locally because our country doesn't do it. we're the only industrialized country on earth that does not grant paid time off for working people. what does that say to working people? the 1% get all the work despite the fact that the working people produce it. that's what i want to talk about. >> does the amazon decision make it harder for you to run for president? >> i don't think the amazon decision affects the debate that if we don't address the income inequality our country's security and stability is threatened and i'll talk about this all over the nation. >> mr. mayor, i'm running out of time. good to see you. >> president trump's national emergency declaration, why he may feel like a winner. what if he loses in court? the panel is next. aaaaaahhhhhhhh! ballooned your car. call meeeee! (burke) a fly-by ballooning. seen it, covered it. we know a thing or two because we've seen a thing or two. ♪ we are farmers. bum-pa-dum, bum-bum-bum-bum ♪
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african-american stud owes from princeton. amy walters the national ed it to or the cook reporter. and eliana johnson. and jonah goldberg, senior editor at national review. welcome to you all. happy sunday. let me start with president trump's national emergency declaration and let me give you a financial breakdown. according to the white house, here's the money from where the proposed wall would come from. he gets $1.37 from the homeland security appropriations bill and from the military construction account. that's from the national emergency. 2.5 billion from the drug interdiction program and $6 million from the department. and the last two buckets not technically from part of the national emergency act. jonah goldberg, i'll start with you. from the small government conservative view, this seems to be anything but, but i found ron johnson twisting himself into a pretzel in trying to figure out
how to both show concern and support the president. >> yeah, he's passionately concerned about something he doesn't want to be committal on. >> yeah. >> and look, i think it's an atrocity. i don't like these enabling acts which is what these national emergency laws are. i didn't like it when barack obama acted on it unilaterally, but this is a next level thing. there's never been a national emergency invoked as an excuse to dlib rattly do an end run around congress. congress has spoken here and if you listen to the pro-trump caucus, what congress passed is outrageous because it's going to make illegal immigration worse in some ways, but he signed it. >> right. >> and then he said i'm going to do all of this other stop. that is monarchial and it's exactly against the spirit of the constitution. i don't care if the courts ultimately approve this. it is still terrible because it's simply a violation of how the system is supposed to work. >> he is hoping for court
approval he may have harmed himself at the rose garden press conference and it is with this sound bite in particular. >> i could do the wall over a longer period of time, i didn't need to do this but i'd rather do it much faster. i don't have to do it for the election. i've already done a lot of wall for the election, 2020 and the only reason we're up here talking about this is because of the election. >> this is the lead of the aclu press release. >> absolutely. he obviously doesn't understand the meaning of the word emergency because he didn't have to do it, right? an emergency needs urgency to it, and this takes me to a basic point that all of this is predicated on a lie, and what i'm interested in is how the machinery of government is being moved to act on a lie. everything that he's saying, senator johnson became complicit in it. this is a manufactured crisis. if there is a crisis at the border and it has something to do in the way that the trump administration has in some ways
enforced immigration law, the way the trump administration has separated families, the way the trump administration has lost babies, right? so the fact that the -- that we're moving and responding to what is at root a lie is unconscionable to me. the second real quick point is that this is an absolute break of constitutional rules. we've been talking about the constitutional crisis on the horizon with the trump administration. it's here. it's just small, but it's here. >> politically, eliana and amy, it seems as if the president decided it's better to lose in the courts and rail against and have a foil than work with congress. >> that's absolutely true. you know, i think that in the courts what this is going to come down to is what they defer to the president on what the definition of an emergency is. we all know what it is colloquially speaking and he
decided to do this early on in his administration to do it with the wall. we have had dozens of national emergencies declared, but they all have to do with two things, either international crises, jimmy carter declared one ten days into the iran hostage crisis or natural disasters. this one is neither. so the courts can say you know what, the president has the power to do this. we're not going to interfere with what an emergency is or isn't or they can get involved in this which they really haven't done at this point. braking up of president trump and accounting on the fact that congress won't override this with the two-thirds court which they can do or the courts will not get involved in this. >> it is also the central reality of the trump administration and trump focus which is it's all about this base, right? the wall, unilaterally is unpopular. the emergency declaration is more unpopular than the wall. the moving funds around from doing projects that people like will be very unpopular. that's not a concern of the president. this has been at no point a
concern about growing his base. it's about keeping that base that he already has happy, and so he worries much more about subtraction than he does about addition and to win in 2020. he said this isn't about 2020. it is absolutely about 2020 because this isn't an issue that's going to get any other voters who aren't currently in his coalition to vote for him. >> i have to tell you the logic thing. i have to put this up for you. and jonah you'll appreciate it more. mick mulvaney, his quote from friday talking about the emergency. it creates zero precedent. this is authority give on the the president in law already. it's not as if he didn't get what he wanted and he's waving a magic wand and taking a bunch of money. i thought that was exactly what this is. >> precisely. one of the things i find frustrating is if you look at the people who are the most jubilant about drum about doing this, it is from a perceived
political victory for the president. rather than dealing with this emergency somewhere. right? there's no one saying finally we'll deal with this emergency, and they're saying trump got another one over on them and that is the real, real problem. >> that defines the new right, eddie. it's just sort of, like, you're unhappy. eddie's unhappy, therefore, congratulations. this a victory for america. because you're unhappy. >> we are in bizarro world for d.c. comic fans. everything has been turned upside down. this is the imperial presidency gone amok. we have been debating this since nixon and we debated it all of the way back from lincoln and how we executed after the war. >> fdr. >> fdr. so this is the imperial presidency gone amok and we have a presidency with no regard with no constitutional norms that is some ways occupying an executive branch that has no limit or constraints. >> for the record lincoln was the only one who had a good excuse. >> okay. we will leave it there. up next, the democratic party is becoming increasingly
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first democratic debates will be on the family of nbc networks, msnbc, msnbc and telemundo in english and in spanish. tom perez is the dnc chairman and he joins me now. welcome back. >> always great to be with you, chuck. >> let me start with this. you're obviously organizing the debates and explain what you view your role is. are you a referee? what is your role for the 2020 presidential primary? what do you see it as? >> our role is to make sure that every candidate who runs gets a fair shake. i welcome a large field because i've had the privilege of working with almost all of them and they are great candidates and so our job at the dnc is to make sure we give them that opportunity and the debate will do this to show who they are and that we also build an infrastructure that enables whoever wins to hit the ground running. that's why we've spent so much time focusing on rebuilding data
infrastructure and rebuilding the organizing infrastructure. and the debate process i'm excited about it. because again, we're not going to be talking about hand size. we're going to be talking about health care. the debate will be focused on issues. >> i am curious, when you are trying to figure out when to step in -- reince priebus when he was chair of the rnc, donald trump, if he insulted john mccain he put out a release. where do you feel as if the role you have to play in policing the candidates' statements? at what point do you feel you have to step in in the name of the democratic party to say "x"? >> i'm frankly not concerned about this for the following reason. all of our candidates understand that we have to defeat donald trump. it's not about them. it's about something bigger than them. it's about making sure we come together as a nation. if we have 15 candidates in the race, 14 aren't going to make it to the mountaintop and our job at the dnc is to make sure that all of the candidates and their
followers feel like they have a fair shake and i am confident that every single candidate understands that we have to focus on the task at hand and building a positive vision of inclusion and talking about how we'll tackle health care and talking about how we'll build a jobs that pay a good middle class wage. that's what we'll talk about and i feel that we'll come out of the primary process with the wind at our back. >> joe biden this weekend is essentially holding off on announcing and then said he was speaking to a european audience. we start our election process too early. he wishes this process hadn't started this early. >> it started in the past. we looked back 30, 40 years and there were debates that started in february of the year before the election. we are kind of in the middle of the pack. and what we learned from the last cycle is people have a real thirst for learning what our candidates are thinking about.
what their vision for america is. i think we have found a sweet spot. and the fact that these debates in june will be on consecutive nights and that we will be drawing the names through random selection. i think what the american people are going to see and i think we're going to have a robust audience and probably the largest ever and what they're going to see are candidates who are focused on their issues and that's what it's about. >> i want to put out some headlines and recent headlines that get in this new divide in the democratic party and and "usa today" will increasingly progressive democratic party become more anti-semitic with omar's comments. the new yorker with the green new deal, democrats present a radical problem for climate change. and amazon scraps the new york plans. are you concerned the perception of the democratic party is going to move too far to the left in order to scare away those swing voters that you've won over to win control of the house? >> listen, i think we must never
confuse unity and unanimity. we have unity on the fact that health care is a right for all and not a privilege for a view. thanks to democrats, we have 90% coverage. we have a conversation to get from 90% to 100%. they're talking on the republican side how to eliminate coverage for pre-existing conditions. we believe climate change is real and not a hoax. we're having a discussion on how we build this clean energy economy. the other side denies that climate change exists. so we're having a discussion about the means but our values -- are the values that command the respect of the vast number of american people. >> and you've expressed your values. you've expressed your values of someone to say hey to the governor of virginia that these folks have to go. what happens if they don't respect the values that congresswoman omar seemed to accept criticism and apologized. but if she does it again, what happens when the democrats sort of don't accept punishment, don't accept the fact that they're not representative of
the democratic values you espouse and they don't leave and they still want to represent the democratic party, what do you do? >> again, i'm heartened that congresswoman omar apologized because what she said was wrong and it was divisive. >> are you worried that she is anti-semitic? >> no. what she said was wrong and what she said was divisive and speaker pelosi and others including us, i think appropriately called her out, and what we have to do. the difference between democrats and republicans is when we see people within our own ranks do things or say things that are antithetical to our values we are not reluctant to call them out. on the other side, unfortunately, they are enablers. look at senator johnson with this national emergency calisthenics that he just did. he understands it is unconstitutional, but god forbid he says something against donald trump. >> i'll go back to the amazon deal, are you worried that
there's a perception, progressive democrats are not pro-business. they'll be antithetical to the business that it scares business away? >> you will hear from so many democrats in this campaign that have an unbelievable record of job creation. barack obama inherited the worse mess of our lifetime and we left with the biggest streak. what the democrats are fighting for is prosperity and that it's shared. a moral capitalism that understands when we all succeed we all succeed. when the middle class is succeeding, when people striving to get into the middle class succeed, then everybody succeeds. >> can you be a democratic socialist and be for moral capitalism or -- >> don't forget, when ronald reagan was railing against medicaid -- medicare in 1963 he said medicare, this is a quote,
will lead to socialized medicine and will lead to socialism in america. this socialism thing, medicare has led to security for our seniors and so some people want to try to use labels and misuse labels. here's what democrats are about. we're about results and we are about making sure you have a right to health care if you work a full-time job you ought to be able to feed your family and ought to be able to reduce gun violence. we have people across the country who will be marching tomorrow because they'll be talking about this fake emergency and making us focus on the real emergency and people who are diabetic who don't have access to health care. >> tom perez, i have to leave it there. chairman of the dnc, we will see you on forward and see how much you have to play referee in your presidential primary. when we come back, few things succeed in a presidential year than a strong economy. it's been strong this year. that's been good news for president trump, but what about next year? that's coming up. that's coming up
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progressive, conservative, centrist might not actually map on to what's happening on the ground. it's much more complicated and much more fluid. i think the idea of expanding the pie and dividing the pie that you used in -- in earlier segment, most of the time, most progressives, quote, unquote are thinking the expang of the pie is the top 1% taking all of the expansion. so we have to address fundamentally that the economy is not working for everyday ordinary folks in the way that it should and so markets don't determine when we value. the markets reflect what we value and so it's not about rejecting capitalism as such. it's about building a society that reflects the value of everyday, ordinary people of our society and i think that argument has to be had, right? so quickly, the age of reagan is collapsing. what will take its place? that's the question that we're grappling with now. >> that does seem to be the fight. that's a fair way of putting it. >> the divide on the right
preceded trump. it began with the tea party in 2010 with the obama era and the democrats have been getting their own tea party. is that going to happen to the democrats and now we're seeing an all-out battle between leftist and left-wing centrist and centrist democrats and socialists. >> we have to come up with a different lane and everyone is trying to figure it out. there's more diversity on the left. >> and this amazon battle certainly put it into release. what i found interesting is alexandria ocasio-cortez won her fight by saying the incumbent in the district joe crowley was neglecting his constituents and she called this a victory for ordinary people when ordinary constituents in her district supported the amazon headquarters by extraordinary margins. 56% of voters and 60% of those in queens where this would have been located and meanwhile, the new york times piece which she
has yet to set up a district office. if other socialists fall on her foot steps and place more emphasis on building a national profile rather than constituent services and how that will play in the long run. >> right. her ability to move the discussion from presidential candidates has been re, maable. the christian science monitor had a breakfast with with senator brown, and the most contentious answer was the green new deal. >> after being asked this question 73 times, 73 different ways, i don't need to respond to every bill that somebody drops on the floor, right? >> there will be a lot. >> that's exactly, it's exactly like that which is, i'm a senator? i'm running for president of the united states and i have to react to something that a freshman member of congress is talking about, but you're seeing that already. we're having this discussion about medicare for all, green
new deal and not based on necessarily what the grassroots are saying, but it's really about what the elites are saying and that's what's fascinating about that poll in new york city. the only group that didn't like it were liberals and they were evenly divided and moderates supported it. >> those are the people that african-americans and hispanics are the majority of the district -- >> and i think that's in terms of the questions that were asked. >> it's also not just reflective of political reality. >> it's not reflective of facts. aoc, alexandria ocasio-cortez doesn't do her homework. she thinks we now have this $3 billion to spend on something else which is just wrong. it's just fake math. and what i find fascinating about this is i don't like these crony capitalist race to the bottom, sweetheart deals for
stadiums or any of this stuff, but they're a fact of political life and do we have tim ryan on your cable show the other day and he was, like, look, i think these are the problems here, but i would love for them to come to ohio and if you think that the green new deal wouldn't look like the amazon deal on steroids with the government leaning in and giving away subsidies to steer the company you're kidding yourself. >> thank you. this is a debate that is obviously going to continue. that is all we have for today. thank you for watching. we'll be back next week, i promise, because if it's sunday it's "meet the press." (mom) is that for me?
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welcome to "kasie dc." i'm kasie hunt. we're live every sunday from washington from 7:00 to 9:00 p.m. eastern. tonight, states plan to sue as the president readies for a legal battle over his declaration of a national emergency. plus, accused of lack of candor by federal officials, andrew mccabe has a lot to say on national television. and my interview with democrat julian castro on his campaign for president. we start with good news,