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>> is there an inappropriate relationship, a connection between this president and our most fearsome enemy, the government of russia? if the president fired the director of the fbi to negatively impact or to shutdown our investigation of russia's malign activity and possibly in support of his campaign as a counter intelligence investigator, you have to ask yourself, why would a president of the united states do that? the deputy attorney general offered to wear a wire into the white house. what was the true nature of the president's motivation in calling for the firing of jim comey? the discussion of the 25th amendment was simply rod raised the issue and discussed it with me in the context of thinking about how many other cabinet officials might support such an effort? rod was concerned by his
interactions with the president who seemed to be very focused on firing the director and saying things like, make sure you put russia in your memo. that concerned rod in the same way that it concerned me and the fbi investigators on the russia case. president putin had told him that the north koreans don't actually have those missiles. >> and u.s. intelligence was telling the president what? >> intelligence officials in the briefing responded that that was not consistent with any of the intelligence our government possesses. to which the president replied, i don't care. i believe putin. i believe i was fired because i opened a case against the president of the united states. >> you can't believe what andy mccabe says. this is probably the first time in the history of the country that you had top law enforcement officers in effect seeing how they could remove the president of the united states. >> we will have a hearing about who is telling the truth, what actually happened. we're a democracy.
people enforce the law can't take it into their own hands and was this an attempted bureaucratic coup. >> in a sunday night tweet storm that carried into this morning, the president called mccabe, quote, a disgrace to the fbi. >> you can see evidence in plain sight on the issue of collusion, pretty compelling evidence. now, there is a difference between seeing evidence of collusion and being able to prove a criminal conspiracy beyond a reasonable doubt. but the chairman must have a different word for it. all of this is evidence of collusion. you either have to look the other way to say it isn't or you have to have a different word for it. >> all right. for democracy in the united states to work, the constitution created checks and balances. our founding fathers built this into the constitution to ensure that no branch of government would ever gain too much power. so let's imagine for a second, given the context of what you just heard, that a man allegedly coordinated with russia to get elected to the highest office in the land. now, imagine that the fbi was so concerned about that coordination that they launched
an investigation into the campaign that lasted even beyond when that man was inaugurated president of the united states. the new president was upset about the investigation and fired the head of the fbi. the new acting fbi director was concerned, so concerned, that he advised the deputy attorney general to investigate the president for obstruction and coordination with russia. the deputy attorney general was so concerned that he offered to wear a wire into the white house to gather evidence. they even talked about the 25th amendment and removal from office of the president of the united states. but despite all of that, the investigations continue. special counsel bob mueller continues. that's where we are right now. this is actually democracy in action, but we are currently in uncharted territory because right now the executive branch is at war with the judicial branch. the judiciary. the men we're talking about, former director of the fbi, james comey, former acting director of the fbi andrew
mccabe, attorney rod rosenstein and mr. trump. mr. trump spent his day bashing andy mccabe and rosenstein of pursuing an illegal treasonous plolt against his presidency. an illegal and treasonous plot against his presidency. this came after mccabe appeared on "60 minutes" defending and opening a move against mr. trump which result ed in his ousting back in march. apparently he wasn't the only one who feared the backlash back then. >> rosenstein took a little bit of time deciding whether to appoint a special counsel in this case. what were some of the things he was thinking about? >> rod initially wasn't convinced that we needed one, and then initially wasn't convinced we needed one right away. i think one of his concerns that he mentioned to me was that he was concerned what would happen to him if he appointed a special counsel.
>> mccabe also described talks that he and rod rosenstein had after president trump fired comey, calling it a, quote, incredibly turbulent, incredibly stressful period. joining me now former fbi special agent manny gomez, former congresswoman who voted to impeach nixon, the author of the case for impeaching trump, and nbc news terrorism analyst malcolm nantz, author of the plot to destroy democracy. thanks to all three of you for being here. liz, let me start with you. mccabe says it was the president's actions that led them to investigate. this is tricky, including possibly invoking the 25th amendment because rosenstein and mccabe would have known at the time that the minute this gets out to the media, the minute it gets out in the public, it's going to feed into president trump's narrative of a deep state and, and an fbi that's crooked. so they thought about this a lot before having some of these discussions. what do you make of the fact that the fbi was acltually
looking into the president of the united states as quite possibly a traitor? >> we've never been there before. we've been in a situation before where the fbi was investigating people close to the president of the united states when that happened with nixon. we've never had a president before had to be investigated for possible treason or a conspiracy with a foreign country, or being the puppet of a foreign country. these are extremely dangerous situations. there's not -- there's no blueprint for that. i'm sure in the fbi headquarters you can answer that. there's no manual that said, the president may have committed treason, here's what you do. they're on uncharted grounds and it's scary and dangerous. they obviously are sensitive to some of the points that were raised. this is a democracy. we can't have law enforcement taking down the president. but in a democracy, the president can't be above the law. so how to do it? >> what luz says, malcolm, is
the heart of the question. you can't have law enforcement or anyone taking down the president. at the same time, the fbi thought they had a problem on its hands and these guys thought they were doing the right thing. >> well, these phrases, taking down an elected president, a bureaucratic coup, this is donald trump's characterization of what the patriots at the fbi and the department of justice who were defending the constitution of the united states, using their sworn positions to identify a threat to the united states and who were confronted by the fact that we had a candidate for president of the united states, now president of the united states, who may, in fact, have been an asset or an agent of a foreign power. you know, i had a discussion with boris epstein in september of 2016 where i was talking about all the activities we were seeing between donald trump and the russians. and he said, are you accusing donald trump of being a traitor?
that word is now being used publicly, openly, and the phrase treason, which technically it's not, but rhetorically, the president of the united states cannot go around tweeting about people who are investigating his activities as being treasonous because we may have that as a fact at the end of this. the president of the united states may have committed treason. >> manny, part of the issue here is that donald trump asked james comey for loyalty, or so that's the reporting. and that sort of becomes an issue. just like we're in uncharted territory when we're talking about treason and collusion and things like that with the president of the united states. we're also not in a world where we ask our, our fbi for loyalty when it comes to things that they're supposed to be investigating. >> that is absolutely correct. the director of the fbi is given a ten-year term. reason being, it's supposed to be an a political appointment. you're not working directly for the president of the united
states. you're working for the department of justice, and ultimately for the american people. that being said, for the president to ask on a one on one for loyalty from the director of the fbi, especially given the circumstances in which already at that time period there was talk about possible collusion or there was smoke. his son had been in a meeting with russians. that was already a fact, et cetera. that was totally -- at the very minimum, it's inappropriate. and it smacks of impropriety and, yes, the fbi is charged with doing counter intelligence investigations. and where there's smoke there's fire. and the american people deserve to have an investigation done. >> so, liz, you were not just a member of congress, you were a prosecutor, you were a d.a. criminals, particularly big criminals liked to often say this person has it in for me, investigators have it in for me. some republicans in congress, like lindsey graham, now want to
investigate mccabe and see whether he had it in -- had it out for president trump. it's coming in the way of an investigation because it's very quickly politicized. >> the republicans unfortunately failed to do a proper investigation before. they didn't turnover transcripts of people who may have lied to congress. i mean, it's very serious what the republicans did and they're continuing that. that's very shameful. the thing that's important to keep an eye on here, despite the brainstorming that went on in uncharted territory, the fbi knew the cia had determined, the intelligence agencies determined russia had intervened on behalf of donald trump. that's very serious and what ultimately happened -- >> that part is true. anybody proven donald trump had anything to do with it we know they interfered. eight what that led to was perfectly appropriate, and that was the appointment of a special counsel, someone independent of the president, independent of
his people to do an independent study. an independent research, independent investigation. and what we have as a result of mueller's investigation? we have one after another of the top people around president trump indicted, indicted, indicted, plus untold numbers of russians. the fact is the republicans -- and it's very sad because i was on the house judiciary committee. republicans worked with demtz to try to find the truth. they work with democrats on the senate watergate committee to try to find the truth. that's what we should be finding. whether it leads to the president or not, not to try to vilify another party, not to try to vilify those people who are looking for the truth. these were people, mccabe, comey, and others, they were doing their jobs and they were doing their jobs when they had no manual telling them -- >> the vilification of the fbi is interesting, malcolm. the president retweeted something rush limbaugh said, saying, these guys, the investigators, ought to be in
jail. i think that's kind of remarkable. the president of the united states retweeting somebody who says, investigators, fbi investigating what most people thought was a legitimate line of inquiry, should be in jail for doing the things they thought they were doing in the interest of protecting the united states. >> you are watching a fundamental attack on the constitution of the united states. these people on the far-right, rush limbaugh, the ann coulters, the sean hannitys, everyone that is giving donald trump his ideas that he should become a fascist dictator, that he should become king george iv, you know, and he should declare, you know, separation from the american experiment and just start acting like a third world potentate, they do not represent what the
nation is. they are asking him to destroy the fabric of the united states. donald trump can't handle the truth, to paraphrase a movie. none of the republicans appear to be able to want to find the truth because the truth will be so damaging -- listen, ali, simply put, this is the single-most serious investigation in the history of the united states and it could either rip the fabric of this country apart. but to do it we're going to have to take a good long look to find out where the facts lie. a manny, the fbi which, you know, keeps people safe in ways they don't even know, has been vilified since this president was running for office. what does this do to the fbi? >> it demoralizes them. i won't say it paralyzes them because the men and women of the fbi are still doing the good work that they have been and will continue doing so. but just the fact that there's a counter intelligence investigation -- these investigations are super sensitive, super classified. just the fact that we're talking
about it and that it's out in public that there is a counter intelligence investigation against the president of the united states and his inner circle is really, really disturbing to me because that's not the way it's supposed to work and not the way it has worked. the leaks are continuous. they are coming from sources that are vilifying the good work that the fbi is doing. and, listen, this is very easy. if there's no collusion, then there's no collusion. but if there is, there is. the fbi is objective. it's a political. yes, i'm sure there are people there that have their own views towards the president of the united states, et cetera. they get a right to vote and they get a right to say that privately it should not and it does not affect the good work that they do day in and day out to conduct these very sensitive highly classified investigations. and it certainly shouldn't be put out in the media each time that something new comes out and try to get a public opinion as
to which way the investigation should go. >> manny, thank you. liz holtz man, thank you as well. malcolm nantz, thanks all three of you for working through this with us. the border wall still isn't a national emergency. we're seeing demonstrations and mass lawsuits. even the pentagon is taking a stand on this. we'll dig into this crisis of power on the other side. but first abc news said house democrats are probing alleged ties of the nra to the kremlin. ted lou of california and kathleen rice are leading the move. they want a december 2015 trip by nra leaders to moscow and russia funneled money to the trump campaign via the gun lobby. you're watching "velshi & ruhle" on msnbc. new cardmembers earn at the end of their first year, automatically. whoo! i got my money! hard to contain yourself, isn't it? uh huh! let it go! whoo!
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welcome back. protests are erupting across the country today because the president declared a national emergency at the u.s./mexico border, an emergency that does not exist. the president trump insists on getting funding for his border wall one way or the other. he will veto any disapproval of a national emergency and that will be a first for his presidency. >> if they pass a resolution of disapproval, will the president veto that, which would be the first veto of his presidency? >> obviously the president is going to protect his national emergency declaration, chris.
>> yes, he's going to veto? >> he's going to protect his national emergency guaranteed. >> that is stephen miller, immigration advisor. hans nichols joins me from an aclu protest in d.c. hans, what's going on there? >> well, it's quite loud, ali. i think you asked me what's going on here. we are at a spirited rally across the street from the white house. it is being sponsored, as you mentioned, by the aclu. it is an indictment of trump's immigration policies, deportation policies. speakers here are very critical of i.c.e. i would say just looking around we have had a couple hundred, certainly in the hundreds here. and they're trying to send the message to the white house of what is to come, and that is a lot of legal challenges, legal challenges to what the president is talking about and that is declaring that national emergency. we don't know when it's going to go to the courts, but there is a up swell of anger at this rally and they're trying to draw
attention to what they think are the president's unconstitutional behavior. ali? >> hans, i want to ask you about the defense department, acting defense shanahan said he'll make a final call on $3.6 billion donald trump wants for the wall, from the military. his answer was ambiguous. what do you make of it? >> reporter: you can take it two ways what shanahan said. one, he's being deliberate about this. whatever he does end up doing will have the p/e tipetina to i. it is clear they are still reviewing this. the key with shanahan, though, ali, there is an acting in front of wasn't doing the president's bidding. >> we were listening to stephen miller telling chris wallace the president would move to disapprove of the national emergency. congress would need a two-thirds majority to override the veto.
>> yeah, and it's difficult to see how you get to two-thirds, but that would be better septembsent for our hill team. when you look at the number of senate republicans, they hinted they would be opposed. you might get a majority of the two-thirds vote. the two-thirds you only need that because of 1983 supreme court decision on this emergencies act. whether or not there can be two-thirds in both chambers, that is going to be a difficult, difficult challenge. >> hans nichols, thanks. always good to see you, my friend. an exciting interview with nasa administrator jim bride enstein. talking about climate change, humans on mars and. first to celebrate black history month, they are rocking black women providing leadership to launched in 2017 to bring more diversity to the fashion industry. last year daniel and a team of black female designers created a
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all right. welcome back. we may not look back on the decade that we're in as a renaissance in space achievements. in 2012, voyager one left our solar system. the first time any human object made that 11 billion mile trip. in 2015, the new horizons pro beamed back the most detailed pictures on pluto to date. two years later the same thing for jupiter, giving us stunning new images and deeper understanding of the gas giant. in 2018 nasa successfully landed
the insight probe on mars, tasked with looking at the interior of the red planet and just days into the new year, china's space agency landed its own probe on the little examined dark side of the moon. joining me now, the agency grabbing so many headlines lately. administer bride enstein, thank you for being with us. >> it's good to be here. >> we are space geeks on this show. there's a lot i want to talk about space, but nasa is one of the government agencies sounding the alarm and more frequently now on climate change. nasa's earth sciences program is particularly good at measuring and tracking how the world is warming. we really rely on groups like nasa to figure this out and bring it to the fore, and treat it, you know, very seriously. have you been able to speak to the president about this and about the steps we sort of need to think about to mitigate the effects of climate change?
>> so, yes, the president and i, we've had conversations about everything related to nasa. but in this particular case, nasa -- we are sensing the earth in every part of the electromagnetic spectrum and then we're making all of that data available to the public. data and information, that's what nasa does. now, i want to be clear because this is something important for me as a nasa administrator to make people aware of. nasa does not get involved in making policy prescriptions. what we do is we do science and exploration, discovery, we use our assets to study the data, and we make everything available to the public so that other people, policy makers, can make decisions. but that's really not what nasa does. but we will continue absolutely to study the earth. it's important to note also that the presidents budget request for nasa has been very, very strong. he is for studying the earth.
it's important to note last week nasa got its largest earth science budget in history. that is with strong bipartisan support. so it's really a good news story from this budget experience. >> all right. you think nasa's commitment to studying earth science is going to be study steady, the funding for it will remain? >> absolutely. i see strong bipartisan support for it. this company demonstrated it in a big way. >> in your legislative days, you have been a strong supporter of the commercialization of space, understanding the role nasa would have in commercial space. where do you think we are in that continuum? >> it's a great question. so, what we're interested in anywhere there is a robust commercial place, nasa wants to be one customer of many customers. lower earth orbit is important.
in other words, this will drive down our costs for access to space and increase access to space. and so right now we are re-supplying the international space station with what we call commercial resupply, and we have, this year we're going to be launching american rockets with american astronauts from american soil with what we call commercial crew to send out astronauts to the international space station. when we do this, then we can use the taxpayer resources to do things for which there is no commercial market place. for example, going to the moon and studying mars and studying jupiter and pluto -- >> which is a great use of nasa. what commercial enterprises do, let them handle that and nasa can take us to the frontier. landing the insight on probe was a big moment for everyone at nasa. what are you learning from insight and how is it laying the groundwork for the possibility of a human mission to mars?
>> a wonderful question. what we're trying to understand is the history of mars and its geology with insight. so, between the insight lander and the mars opportunity rover and the curiosity rover which is currently operating on the surface of mars, we know a whole lot about mars we didn't know 10 or 15 years ago. number one, mars used to have a strong magnita sphere that protected it from radiation. radiation from the sun. two-thirds of the northern hemisphere of mars was covered in an ocean, and it had a thick atmosphere. in other words, mars was habitable. i'm not saying it was inhabited, but it was habitable. as of right now because of recent discoveries on mars, we now know there are complex organic compounds on the surface of mars.
that doesn't guarantee there is life on mars. those building blocks don't exist on the moon and they don't exist on mars. they exist on the earth. we're learning whether there is or was at one time life on mars. we now know there is liquid water under the surface of mars. anywhere there is water there is life. what we're trying to discover is life on a planet that's not our own. here's the other thing i think is critically important for everybody to know. over a billion years ago, mars lost its magnetosphere. by studying mars, we can get insight into how earth's atmosphere is changing and ultimately make, i think, better determinations as to the direction earth is going by studying the history of mars. >> do you see -- is there a time line you guys talk about over at nasa about when we might see a
human mission to mars? >> yes, we're looking to target the mid 2030s. there is a lot to be done between now and then. what we're doing is we're going to the moon under the president's space policy directive 1. we're going to the move, and what he said is we're going to go sustainably. in other words, we're not going to leave flags and footprints and not go back in 50 years. we're going to take international partners, we're going to take commercial partners. we're going to go sustainably with humans, and landers and robots. ultimately we're going to retire risk capability, and as much as possible, develop the technologies that can be reusable at mars. the difference between the moon and mars is that the moon is a three-day journey home. when we go to mars, there is only once out of every 26 months when the earth and mars are on the same signed of the sun. when we go to mars, we're going to stay a period of two years. between now and then we have to prove all these tech no, ma'am
jazz at the moon and we're doing it with a coalition of international that are joining us in this effort. >> we have a lunar project going. google has lunar work going. you're talking about permanent moon bases or earth to moon infrastructure. >> that's right. what do we get out of that? one of the exciting things about space is all the stuff that happens we end up using in our daily lives we don't think about. are we talking about resources on the moon we can use on earth? >> absolutely. in 2009, nasa made the discovery there's tons of water ice on the surface of the moon. it represents air to breathe, oxygen, it also represents hydrogen and oxygen, water to drink for life support. and it represents fuel. when it's put into cryogenetic
form. it is under development at nasa now looking for a first launch in the year 2020. we have a lot under development now to go back to the moon sustainably with international and commercial partners. jim bridenstein, i think you have one of the best jobs in the world. >> thank you. >> let's make it a regular thing. coming up next, the race for 2020, news reports say president obama is quietly giving advice to democratic candidates. we're live in iowa as candidates hit the trail. we are getting more information on how the biggest companies are faring. guess how much it's going to pay in taxes? zero. netflix racked up its largest profit ever, $854 million. its tax bill? zero. we're going to keep watching stories like these in the coming months. you're watching "velshi & ruhle" live on msnbc. ♪
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are citizens who joined isis. others including germany have allowed repatriation with immediate imprisonment. president obama is not expected endorse any of the 2020 contenders, but "the new york times" reveals obama has been quietly advising several democratic candidates and potential candidates. they're not wasting time fanning out across the country as campaigning kicks into full gear. on the agenda, senators cory book irma, amy cloklobuchar are holding campaigns in new hampshire. iowa is the first state to hold a presidential caucus. vaughn hillyard is on the ground for us. vaughn, good morning. the number much candidates holding events today, what's the sentiment on the ground? are voters look to be warming up to anybody? >> reporter: good afternoon, ali. there is not a shortage of candidates that are here and unannounced candidates like eric
swalwell. he has an event in a few minutes, the congressman out of california will be joining him. kiersten gillibrand has events in cedar rapids and iowa city we'll join her there. you have the likes of the colorado governor who will be here and amy klobuchar, kamala harris. one year from the caucus is getting the full visit and folks had the opportunity to hear. are folks warming up to any of these candidates? we are hearing from iowa residents they are not committing one way or the other. the question, ali, question of joe biden and bernie sanders over each of the last three events i've been toe, i ask the voters should they jump into the race? almost 100% of the response there's rens i haveness. there is affinity for both men. with the likes of amy klobuchar, they've been exposed to other
candidates they haven't been exposed to to. >> amy klobuchar has gone off to new hampshire. how is she setting herself apart? >> well, if she sets herself up as the neighbor next door. in this case the senator next door. her first event was in mason city just 35 minutes south of the minnesota border and she's making the play that a democratic nominee has to be able to ultimate political win a point where donald trump won by 10 percentage points. this is one of her events this weekend. >> i am the senator next door. so i have made my last ten years about reaching out to rural areas and suburban areas and really looking at my state as one minnesota. that's what we need to do in the country. and when i talk about heart land economics, i'm talking about the bread and butter issues that are affecting us in our daily lives.
like the cost of prescription drugs, like what's happening with equality. >> reporter: ali, i think amy klobuchar is somebody we're going to have to pay close attention to in iowa. i was talking to the bernie sanders caucus goer in 2016 amy klobuchar is on top of her list. also an understanding of issues across the midwest that the democrats need in order to beat donald trump. again, the one thing at the top of the minds of iowa voters. we have consistently heard over the last month, how do we win wisconsin? how do we win iowa? amy klobuchar came in and was directly talking about issues and at least making the appeal for voters who voted nor democrat two years ago to come into the democratic camp. >> always good to see you. up next, the real fake news, it
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all right. there's been new scrutiny of artificial intelligence or a.i. in recent months as the technology advances into uncharted territory. take this, for example. research nonprofit open a.i. developed a text generating algorithm. an algorithm is a digital set of instructions. it is to summarize large text quickly, like research papers or legislation or answer questions. pretty easy. the algorithm learns by taking in millions of web pages, scientific articles, other data, it analyzes the text. it learns the language patterns that allow it to improve its own output. but here's the concern. researchers realize the algorithm to abuse. if someone who want to duper up,
they could make the process by feeding one false sentence into the algorithm resulting a fake article far faster than any humans can write one. researchers tested this by giving the algorithm the sentence, russia declared war on the united states after donald trump accidentally and here is the results. the result was a short article on a factitious war between the united states and russia. one that can fool people referencing the legitimate news like russian range of ballistic missile and crimea. researchers were so concerned that they decided only a simplified version of the algorithm would be released publicly. hey, i said it properly. even though a full version still exist, the potential is too high since the program could make the
fake news process and then kick it into over drive. nbc news jacob ward is joining me now. i want to talk about the implications of this. obviously if artificial intelligence is made to be like human intelligence or emphasize the things that human brains can do but faster. it is important to understand, it is a non-profit organization, trying to create some sort of standard and free work and governing the responsible development of artificial intelligence in the future. they looked at many problems of a.i., the big one of which it is essential lily amplification. so one reason you would want to
do that for ethical reasons is that you want to teach a piece of a.i. human values, what are some things that we consider no go territory as human beings. it does not have to sit there and program all of it in, you would feed in children's stories or fairy tales that teaches us the way to behave. perhaps you can get a program to figure it out and understand the values much moresier than having somebody sitting there and coding it all in. >> in this example that i stated where it fed a sentence in and a fake news story came out. was the algorithm designed to create a fake news story or it did that? >> it does incredible things we never saw it coming. what it was only trying to do was correctly put the next word into a sentence. >> right. >> it is literally that simple
programming objective. so you just so happens when it is picking up 8 million websites worth of information, it regurgitate all this stuff like you said crimea and ballistic missile tv and the rest of it sounds convincing. all it is trying to do is fool you as to what the next word of the sentence would be. >> is that an ethical problem or a computing problem or is that just a programming issue? >> it is a programming issue in a sense but what it really is it is a reflection of us. this is fundamentally the problem as humans and regulators and everything else having such trouble understanding. we think of this as a society problem. we tend to believe stuff if it is written right. that kind of human problems is not something our regulatory framework has thought about it yet. >> i guess my question is and you are so good on these analogies, i can put it on you
and not feeling so stupid. >> it is like a combustion engine, right? it can be used for many things, too. you can run many people with your car. what are we looking at in terms of trying to regulate this stuff. ethically, i think we are creating artificial intelligence, some intelligence is just bad. >> right. i think there are two things going on. one, is yes, it is like a combustion engine. it is a tool to help us. combustion engines did not learn us and replicate our patterns, you know what i am saying? it makes it a powerful thing. the second part is we don't think about our frailties and our cognitive difficulties and understanding truth from falsehood. >> they're still actually doing it as opposed to artificial intelligence. >> same topic though because social media for a lot of people is the best thing that ever happened.
i want to shift to facebook. the british parliament released a report saying the company should not be allowed to behave digital gangster considering themselves to be beyond the law. that's an interesting statement. what does that mean to you and what impact does it have on facebook? >> here is an important that i think is an important thing. there is legal battles going on around facebook right now, the aclu, one thing they say a lot, facebook has been arguing that individuals should not have the right to sue facebook for violations because they simply violated privacies. we as individuals should not have to prove it did harm to us individually. that's a really complicated and high legal standards to me. what it shows us is that
facebook is scared that 2.3 billion users are going to come back at a class and that's the real danger that i think this kind of report sets off. >> jacob ward, thank you in san francisco. >> coming up next, organizers say more than 200 protests planned today to fight president trump's national emergency declaration. can his strategy to build the wall survive the push back. you are watching "velsh "velshi & ruhle" on msnbc. n msn. so you only pay for what you need. over to you, logo. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ about medicare and supplemental insurance. medicare is great, but it doesn't cover everything - only about 80% of your part b medicare costs, which means you may have to pay for the rest. that's where medicare supplement insurance comes in: to help pay for some of what medicare doesn't.
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