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from d.c. to los angeles, hundreds mobilized an opposition to sidestep congress and defer billions of federal funds on the border wall. the trump administration faces a wave of lawsuits. they include new mexico, oregon and minnesota and new jersey, hawaii and connecticut. >> the president admitted there is not a bases for the declaration and admitted there is no crisis at the border. he's trying to rob funds so that we are allocated by congress legally to the various states and people of our states. the separation of powers are being violated. we'll go out there and make sure that donald trump can't steal money from the state and ts ande who need them. since we pay our tax dollars to
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get those services. >> state protesters and now we have three texas landowners. the advocacy public citizens and aclu, says they'll challenge donald trump's emergency action in court. one of the president's frequent defenders suggested those taking trump to court, well, they could have a case. >> i think it is questionable. emergency generally means something that happens so quickly that there is not time for congress to act. i don't think an emergency includes a failure by the branch of government that's authorized to expand funds mainly to have a representative and congress to authorize funds that the president wants to see authorized and they refuse to do it. >> i don't think that's an emergen emergency. the big question we are asking today, will his legal challenge survive the challenges. joining me is kelly o'donell and immigration reporter, ali gomez.
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the white house is prepared for this. the president is singing a song about it in the rose garden last week talking about the process that he expects to play out when the courts start to look at the declaration, why are they so confident that they're going to win the supreme court as he claims on friday? >> katy, the argument you get from senior white house officials is that they believe the law provides wide latitude for a president even though these circumstances are different. when you are working are senior advisers, they'll site aspects of the legal code with the letters and numbers that correspond to show specifically where they believe have a legal bases to derive these funds that were appropriated by other purposes. it will be decided in the courts. the president resigns to that. he was writing lyrics to a song.
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as it winhines through the process. they believe taking in the action is in of itself supported boo by the law. even though those believing in an over reach will argue. the number of adversaries who are filing suit does not change the dynamic of how courts will decide even though there is a real crowd lining up now against this with knowledgeable people who are looking at the same set of facts and viewing it differently, javier from california, for example, the white house is saying they believe the log that goes back 40 years give the president the latitude and the interpretation they are using in this moment where they derived sources of funding that includes what the congress did actually pass, the $1.375 billion for a wall barrier and money confiscated through drug addiction so it is going back to u.s. treasury.
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well, they have not been willing to tell us so far is which pacific projects would be affected on the military side. they have said they would expect to back fill any money taken out of military construction project with the next round of appropriation through congress. it is a bit of show game of moving money around to justify what they want to do. you will see kelly o'donell in the presidential event and now both sides of your screen, you are watching the protest across the country. on the right side specifically, that's a protest in denver. there are signs that this is not a national emergency. there are signs that said, quote, the president himself y saying "i didn't have to do it," which was something he says and getting repeated over and over again in the rose garden. over the weekend, one of trump's adviser and his immigration hawk, stephen miller was on chris wallace.
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let's listen on their exchange. >> can you name one case where a president had asked congress money and congress refused and the president invoke national policy. >> it is a yes or no sir. >> this current situation pertains to the milita militarmilitary - >> the meaning of the statute chris is cleared on its own terms. if you don't like the statue -- >> so your answer is no. >> so the answer is know, he could not answer that question. allan gomez, this is going to be a battle between the white house potentially congress, the courts, landowners in texas and voters who are out there protesting. >> yeah, i will tell you. i gave up on trying to find a president when it comes to covering this administration a
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long time ago. so it is going to be difficult to try to find a court case addresses what we are dealing with here. what i am looking for is instead of two things, obviously the president did not do himself any favors when he flat out said in the rose garden that he did not need to do this. you see it in signs and you are going to see some of that in lawsuits that's going to be filed in the days to come. on the other hand, the president's son mentions it is going to get to court. when looking at the supreme court, i looked back to the travel ban. you had a lot of federal judges across the country who struck it down in part based on his comments and tweets regard ing muslims and saying there is a racial -- behind that travel ban. in that ruling, justice roberts saying the justification that was put down on paper was far
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more important on anything that you could infer from what the president says. that's what they are relying on. no matter what happens in the lower court that when it gets to the supreme court, they'll look at the national emergency declaration and they'll look at the law and focus on that rather than what he says. >> they're not going to focus on the president's own war. we'll see what happens there. allan, that wnk you for that observation. >> joining me our cecelia wang. thank you both of you for being here. why do you think a lawsuit will eventually win out? >> well, thank you for having me, we'll be moving forward with litigations against the president. first and for most, this is no t the king's money. we have national security program in new mexico where the
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state invented the atomic bomb that are relying at department defense funding right now as we sfe speak. that on its face is unconstitutional. >> what do you make of what allan gomez just said of the lower federal courts all ruling against the president's travel ban during the supreme court ruling in favor of it. do you worry that that's going to be the similar outcome? >> well, first we all have to defend the constitution, i do think it will play on a couple of factors, the first is he's the commander in chief and ultimately he can't exaggerate that this is a 9/11 type of emergency. secondly, i do believe that this may hinge on the intention of the sourcing and so he has a duty to address immigration, he does not have a duty as a commander in chief of the type of threat that's required for
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him to act upon that declaration. i hope that the court will apply some facts and definitely apply the facts that he has a duty to the commander in chief to be loyal to the constitution first and not campaign slogans. >> cecilia, on what bases is the aclu filing a suit? >> to say that there is a necessity to use military construction funds already committed elsewhere in order to support the use of armed forces. there is no emergency there. many of us have been talking about the fact that the president said in announcing his declaration, i did not need to do this. in addition to that, if you take a look at the text of his declaration, he talks about a quote quote, "long standing problems with families seeking asylum." what the president is trying to do is declaring a fake emergency
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based on the fact along with his previous family separation and moms and dads and kids taking asylum on the united states. his declaration of asylum ban back in november that was joined and blocked by the court. this was part of his plan to block a asylum, contrary to the will of congress. it is a real key point here that congress decided they wanted to spend $1.375 million on a border wall and the president said no. no, i want to spend $8 billion, i want to do it faster than congress. this is unprecedented as an illegal power grab by the president and that's essentially the bases for our upcoming lawsuits. >> who do you believe are the victims here? is it those that are trying to claim asylum at the border who are facing a backlog or somebody else, cecilia? >> there is so many victims of the president's declaring a fake
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emergency. as you can see the attorney general of mexico and attorney general of california, and dozens of states have, our people are going to be hurt by the president's decisions. a lot of people are hurt by the president's misuse of funds to destroy our public land across the border. it is a senseless use of taxpayers money to destroy federal public hands and private lands. there are so many people being hurt by this. cecilia wang and our hector balderas, thank you both of you for joining us. >> thank you. >> still to come this hour, the
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interview in "60-minutes." the interview mccabe had with another fbi official. mccabe -- >> the president said he do not believe north koreans have the capabilities to hit us here with ballistic missiles in the united states. he did not believe that because vladimir putin told him they did not. that was not consistent with any of the intelligence our government possesses to which the president replied, i don't care. i believe putin. >> joining me now, our national security reporter and former assistant, kim whaley, a professor at the university of
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baltimore school of law. matt, how much credibility does andrew mccabe have when he's talking about a conversation that another fbi official had with the president. >> we'll add this time in, andrew mccabe was the acting director at the fbi. he's briefed on this. strange interaction with the president, they go into brief him on some totally unrelated issues. he often does brings up korea a believe on u.s. intelligence but he believes in putin. >> absolutely. i mean you know one of the things, one of the funny things about this is i feel like in any other administration, this would be so shocking to hear a behind the scene account of the president talking to the fbi and
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saying i believe putin, i believe russia over you, my own federal bureau investigation, this is consistent of what he said publicly. so i mean certainly it learns more credibility and kind of lessons the sort of blow of hearing than any other administration would feel like it is so shocking. >> they're talking about north korea and i see missiles that could reach the united states and to hear a story where the president is not taking it seriously only is more c significance and for shock values if it does turn out to be tru true. andrew mccabe had i in "60-minutes" but also of the reports that we have seen, listen to how mccabe describes rob rosenstein and wearing a
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wire. >> rod raised the issue and discussed it with me in the context of thinking about how many other cabinet officials may support such an effort. but, to be fair, it was an unbelievably stressful time. i can't describe for you how many things must have been coursing through the deputy's mind at that point. it was something he threw out in a frenzy chaotic conversation about where we were and what we needed to do next. >> rod rosenstein and the doj have said that was not a serious possibility. that rosenstein was saying that ingest. i was watching with cbs this morning, it is not consistent with what she knows about rod rosenstein either. as a prosecutor, how do you weigh these two statements? >> well, i think the response from the justice department has
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been carefully warded in terms of not taking action on the wire. i mean i also worked with rod rosenstein and i agree with that assessment. he's a professional and he believes in the rule of law and he's apolitical of how he executes his job in the political justice and personally and professionally i have complete confidence that this was not done in a silly manner. let's remember the 25th amendment is part of the united states constitution which is the law of the land. it is the law of all laws in this country. a suggestion of a discussion of the 25th amendment would be improper on behalf of department of justice officials who are seriously concerned not only the potential obstruction of justice committed at the highest but there were intelligence
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concerns. this was not the first time, reagan's administration also had this discussion and decided he was sound mind. we have a president that's not in position to rationally and in a measure thoughtful way execute the very profound duties of office. i think we have an avalanche of information of the public that supports what we are hearing in terms of some serious concerns among governmental officials that this presidency is problematic for the safety and integrity of our constitutional structure. >> regardless of that though, there are folks in the senate on the judiciary committee, specifically the chairman, lindsey graham, now wants to investigate this conversation never happened. >> we have two people in conflict here, we have mccabe who says rosenstein bringing up
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wearing a wire and the amendment. he says i go into the white house all the time, i can wear something in there and no one would notice. the 25th amendment sounds like more it is impassing but still the deputy attorney general would even bring it up however fleeting it was, it was remarkable. rosenstein kind of sort of disputes that. he disputes this he authorized any wiretap or he thinks now there is a bases to invoke the 25th amendment. we have not heard from rosenstein, we heard from mccabe and know his description of these conversations. i believe we have not heard in rosenstein's own mouth. well, what happened here? we got this dispute that the justice department put out. lindsey graham says he's going to get to the bottom of this. the reason republicans are so interested in this because they see this as a deep stake coup
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attempt. sort of talking to one another about removing the president, they see that as problematic though given the context of the time. it was pretty hectic. >> that's an under statement. matt and kim, thank you very much. on this presidents day, no r&r for the presidential hopeful. they're on the road trying to win voters. new report on what president obama has been doing lately. stay with us. obama has been doing lately. stay with us (client's voice) remember that degree you got in taxation?
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there is this perception that this is the least important of the early voting states for you. we are glad you are here. over a month ago that you have announced. >> no, it was three weeks ago. well in oak cliff. i am here because i believe this is a very important state and i intend to spend a lot of time here and compete for the votes here. i am going to pull out a lot of effort into doing that. it is an important state, it is the state of the people who have a lot of needs and need to be seen and heard. it is certainly a state of informed folks who care about the process and engaged in the process. i want to be here to answer the
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questions that are opposed apos listen. >> now kamala harris is in new hampshire trying to convince voters there. she's the candidate to choose, after all new hampshire is a big deal. it is the second state to vote and caucusing as voting. and generl generally going into caroliname carolina. a lot of the candidates are on the road today. they're taking advantage of the three-day weekend. as you come to expect, most of them are focusing on those again, those early primary states. almost everyone, booker and gillibrand and warren and waterloo and harris are in iowa.
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one stacandidate will be in california tonight, elizabeth warren is going to be in glendale. usually california is the last state to vote which maneans thi could have a huge impact. joining me from congress, our political reporter, ali vitali. the big focus is new hampshire. you got to get out there with a big "w" to have any momentum in south carolina. >> reporter: it is true, south carolina is a state for kamala harris. she was introducing herself here and we are in a bookstore right now. she's doing what we call retail meeting. we got to ask her some questions. i asked her about her reaction of andrew mccabe's interview on
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last night, she said she had not seen it but seen the headline. she's troubled of the idea president trump trusted putin's analysis of north korea's nuclear weapon more than his own intelligence. >> we also asked of smjussie smollett, she says the facts are still being investigated and she was asked for medical for all, that's one for all americans having access to affordable healthcare. that's a question she's been getting from voters as well as reporters. how is that policy would shape out once she wins the presidency if he wins in november. cory booker is here, we spent the morning with him at a house in new hampshire. there is something interesting of the way he's talking about how democrats have to run in 2020. take a listen.
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>> the ambition just to beat one man out of office. we are being defined by what we are against and not w we are for or who we are for and a vision we are making a big mistake as a party. >> cory booker is doing something others have not done. he wants to talk about policies and progressivism and we'll see if that's something that democrats can do as we go forward in this election. >> ali vitali. thank you very much. joining me right now is our msnbc contributor and our political analyst. gentlemen, carlos curbelo. gentlemen, thank you for being here. they are fanning out and focusing on those oeearly state. new hampshire and iowa have always been a target for south
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carolina. elizabeth warren is going to be in california tonight. california is a massive state. how is that going to change the field? >> well, she has to make it clear that she's really playing in all areas. california can have a serious impact as you know, katy on who'll become the democratic nominee. at the end of the day, i think it all depends on something cory booker says. the candidate has to have a bold and creative vision. they can't just oppose donald trump, they have to be willing to fight donald trump. they have to put forward a vision for the country to move forward. they have to in some significant way, ka katy, that this is was changed election. 2016 was a changed election. that intensity will carry over to 2020.
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the candidates have to do that no matter they're in california or anywhere. >> to be fair, incumbent would not be called of a change election. i understand, eddie, of you saying they need to have a bold plan, they can't just run against donald trump for the sake of running against him. i wonder what it looks like beyond that pretty language. listen to cory booker on saturday night talking about healthcare. >> i support a lot of bills because i believe there is a lot of pathways to get to our values. how do you sell it to a country and what can you do practically? that's the right question to ask. i can sit here and preach rainbows and sunshine for a long time but if i don't have a plan or can't get what i want and your question is how i will sell
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it, i will make the moral call to this country to sell in advance of those ideals. if we don't get more than 50 vote in ts in the senate side, have to find a way to advance. >> that's not plain out specifics of what he plans to do with healthcare. we are still early on and all candidates will presumably have a plan. eddie, is that going to be enough talking about it in a realistic way or voters are going to be demanding bullet points, an actual plan of action for the second candidate in office. >> you are absolutely right. it is not enough to talk about the process. you need to lay out what you balance. you need to lay out a balance of what you think healthcare is right for all. you need to lay out what public education for all and serious
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public education for all. you need to lay out an agenda for climate change and drive that agenda forcefully. part of the challenge that the democratic candidate will face is they're going to get this question over and over again about how will you pay for it or how can you do it? that question is a red hair, you have to state the value. this is what we are committed to and we are going to make it happen. you are going to have to talk about certain budgetary priorities. you can't allow the questions to derail you from stating the value. >> you are not going to sound like you are committed at all. >> carli do want to get into president obama who's advising but not endorsing any candidates. let's read this. mr. obama is taking a vow of neutrality. shaping the mindset and strategy of democratic presidential
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candidates. do you think mr. obama, the former president, carlos, is going to be a game changer for 2020? will his voice matter for the 2020 candidate? >> we are seeing two distinct types of candidates. those relying on the dem eocrat base or those rebuilding the blue wall that democrats used to have. i think someone like president obama is going to want candidates to go back to his coalition, the coalition that can build that blue wall. the only kind of wall that democrats will support these days. i think cory booker is a verbia verbiage, you are hearing someone who tries and wants that energy base. he's going back to his route
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with somebody making name for himself by working with chris christie. he knows democrats have to do more than just attacking donald trump's character. that's what hillary clinton's campaign ended up being about, why donald trump was not qualified to be president and clearly it was not enough. >> do you think donald trump wuis in a strong position or weak? >> the most dangerous type of candidate for the trump's team is someone like joe biden, the types of candidates that could regain mid western voters and even a lot of suburban voters here. although it has gone republican now for a few cycles. so, i think that his will depend on the nature of the democratic candidate. do democrats go for someone who's extremely exciting or do
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they go for someone who's electable. i think the trump team would probably prefer someone getting that liberal base excited but that mid western voters and voters in swing states like florida will be more suspicious of. >> we should talk about this more in the future, how to win a campaign, we go back to the same voters over and over again, the same pocket of voters in the upper midwest and it seems like, you are leaving out 50% of the country who just does not go out and vote. where are all these voters who are not voting? how do you get them to the polls and turn out to increase in this country from its numbers that we have now? what's the plan of action for democrats or republicans to find new voters to get them interested in politics and get them invested in our electoral system. that's a conversation we'll have to to havhave in a future. eddie and carlos, thank you as
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the munich security conference is an annual meeting for leaders to meet. this year's theme was picking up the pieces.
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the conference the chairman wrote in the memo, the whole literal world order appears to be falling apart. donald trump questions free trade just like he questions the western set of values or nato. this is has consequences for us europeans. that move was notable when the vice president brought up the president. >> i want to thank all of you for leading this meeting. and to that, i am a great champion of freedom and strong national defense, we have worked with members in congress to strengthen american military mind and the free world of our 45th president of the united
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states of america, president trump. >> joining me, nbc news national security kourtney kubi and steve clemons. kourtney, have you heard anything like that? >> it happened twice when pence brought up donald trump's name and the audience did not respond. president trump, o-- sorry, vic president pence, he doubled down on european leaders. he called them to withdraw from the iranian nuclear deal and something he did earlier on his trip in warsaw, he talked about the importance of nato and allies. what was fascinating was he was bookmarked between angela merkel
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and former president joe biden, both of whom talked about the importance of multilateralism and alliances and they received strong reaction from the crowd. both of them getting a standing ovation, katy. >> let's listen to joe biden of the reaction he got. >> the america i see values basic human decency. and not snatching children from their parents or turning our backs on refugees on our border. america knows that's not right. the american people understand please because it makes us embarrassing. the american people know overwhelmingly that's not right. that's not who we are. i promise you -- i promise you as my mother would say this too shall pass. we'll be back. >> joe biden is really trying to make the distinction between the american public and the
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president. steve clemons, is that working? does that work overseas or is the american public being lumped together with the president of the united states? >> okay, i think everybody in the world that listens to these two speeches know that the american public is not the pugnacious nationalist that donald trump is. but, that being said, the real issue of munich of what's happening there is not about the american people, it is about allies trusting one another in their dark days and knowing when any of us have problems that there is an unbreakable bond between all of us. we heard a roar of disapproval of donald trump and what he stands for in the world and the damage he done over the relationship. that was as loud as one could imagine being in that silence. i thisnk now we see america's first means america's alone and we are alone in the world right now. the world is not going to trust
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us for a long time >> how much do american americans -- america, america put donald trump in office. is this something, is this something those voters going to look back god, i don't like that at all and nobody respects us anymore and look at president obama did not get the right staircase when he descended years ago to china. are they going to see this that wow, donald trump is not respected or he's giving it to the europeans. >> i think americans are going to wake up one day, wow, we are not treated the same way when we are traveling abroad or oh americans don't have that special premiums because of all the things we have done to help secure and save the world. that quick proquo between americans being engaged in the world and getting the privileges that we have.
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the american economy can behave unlike any economy in the world. that may be coming to an end. they may begin to feel r repercussions of another 9/11? what if we need friends to help us? that'll not be the next time around and people will feel it and see it and wreck this moment. >> kourtney, the only time that nato article 5 was invoked, what happened? >> after 9/11, of course, you know i have to say on the importance of whether americans really understand how important strong alliances are especially this time of these trans atlantic that we are not used to see. is the moenormous congressional delegation that showed up, more than 50 bipartisan members are
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there working to make sure there are americans in politics who still understand the importance of the e there is news coming out of andrew mccabe's book, a conversation that he said where he said i believe jupt over o our -- i might be mixing up my time line, but have you gotten any reaction from diplomats overseas, what about for a statement like that? >> we are not hearing a lot about north korea. for instance, the big military
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instances, at this point we don't know the status of them officially. we're not hearing about that. one thing that didn't get a lot of attention in president mike pence's speech is he didn't talk much about russia. that is one of the big issues at the moounich security conferenc. court any, thank you so much, steve clemmons, thank you, we appreciate it. democrats voted for a number of options to challenge president trump's emergency declaration to build his wall, but senior white house advisor said the president is ready for a fight as well. >> the resolution disapproval, will the president veto that which will be the first veto of his presidency. >> yes levee snow. >> he will proetect his nationa
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emergency declaration guaranteed. so lawsuits are being prepped in a number of states, there is also the aclu that will be suing the president, what will congressional democrats be doing. migration has dropped 80% and we doubled the enforcement efforts. so we winced a drop. >> we talk about the facts, the statistics, the numbers, and the president is not listening. what are you going to do to assert your authority? >> i think we will pass that resolution. they should be concerned about
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the president's attempt to insert the power that is in the constitution for us. i think declaring a national emergency goes way beyond border security and the president's extraordinary pours. >> he has to report periodically and stick specifically with some of the powers he will use. this is not a willy nilly action. it gives the president broad and extraordinary powers. >> i think he bifurcated an emergency crisis at the border, why do we think that he would not. a broader range of powers to impact the american people. >> a number of people have said
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on the record they don't believe the president should do this. do you believe they should not only vote for this resolution, but vote to overturn the president's veto that will come as well. >> i'm sure that republicans inth senate --. these are powers that are helping the constitution to have a power. and we should all be concerned about these actions. >> when you say that democrats could use the same u power to say there is a national emergency on gun control. there is a number of workers a the a folk tire murdered, what happened in parkland, look what is happening in chicago on the streets every day.
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did she gun control and guns specifically to put the fear in the boots of republicans, was she trying to scare them on something they are refusing to vote on? >> i don't think she -- i don't think she goes around threatening people. guns, right? the violence in guns and in general, in our nation, it is a deeper emergency that is far beyond a border -- >> would you support a democratic president declaring an emergency on guns? >> i will support a balance and account account in government. >> what about a national emergency in climate change. >> that is a very serious problem that i'm very concerned
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about. don't think we should violate the constitution, we interpret it just to take advantage by us a or the other side of the aisle. >> if the president resorts to an emergency on the border that is fabricated by him, then we will oppose it. >> but if it is just held, would you say in the future we're not going to hold the same authority? >> if they uphold it and it is constitution that, the doors will be open for any future president to use that as well. >> thank you so much for coming in, we appreciate it, we will be right back. in, we appreciate it, we will be right back helps keep me feeling dry,
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