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openly autistic person to be admitted to the florida bar. she was sworn in last month and currently practices at a law firm in miami. i love that. you go, miss hallie. that wraps us up this hour. coming up right now, more news with hallie jackson. >> thank you. i'm hallie jackson in washington. breaking this morning, bernie is back. taking a second shot at the white house. but 2020 is not 2016. our team breaks down the top two challenges he faces in the second presidential run with a bigger field but for sanders, same swagger. >> i am going to run for president. that's correct. >> what's going to be different this time? >> i'm going to win. >> also happening this morning, andrew mccabe tells all. why he ordered a counterintelligence investigation into president trump. what he told congress about it and his response to being labeled a liar and a traitor. >> did you suspect the president might be working for russia? what were the facts that suggested the president may be a
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national security threat? why should anyone believe you when you were fired from the fbi for lying? >> we're also following the new federal lawsuit more than a dozen states suing to stop president trump's national emergency declaration. one of the attorneys general taking the president to court joins us live later on in the show. wee ha our team is set up and ready to go. let's start with bernie sanders making it official. the 77-year-old independent senator from vermont announcing he is running for president again. >> i am going to run for president. that's correct. >> what's going to be different this time? >> i'm going to win. >> bottom line for me is i think it is absolutely imperative that donald trump be defeated. we have a president who is a pathological liar. it gives me to no pleasure to say that, but it's true. we have a president who is a racist, a sexist, a zenophobe.
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he joins nine others who have officially jumped into the race. they're all looking to be the democrat who challenges trump in 2020. joining me is nira tannin, now the president and ceo of center for american progress. also here with me betsy woodruff, and sahil kapour reporter for bloomberg news. kasie, you're on the campaign trail bundled up. you knew bernie sanders round one in 2016. here we are now round two. how does this announcement -- what does this announcement mean for the race? you're also on the trail with kamala harris. >> reporter: that's right, hallie. yes, it is freezing here in new hampshire as per usual. but it's also great to be back. kamala harris doing the storied politics and eggs breakfast.
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bernie sanders jumping in to this race. there were some questions about whether or not he was going to do it. there were reports of him having meals with elizabeth warren as they both talked about what their plans were going to be. and i think the question is does he have that same energy this time around that he showed in 2016, or is that energy now spread out among too many other potential choices for democratic voters? i think when you talk to people who are working on some of these other campaigns, they're looking at bernie sanders and elizabeth warren and saying the two of them are going to cannibalize each other, essentially. they're both trying to appeal to the same set of voters and that's going to clear out some lanes for other candidates to find a path. now, bernie sanders is somebody who really kind of rose on the strength of his own personal authenticity. it's really clear, and i know you know this from having covered the republican side in
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2016 as well. that's what voters are looking for. bernie sanders resonated on that store. i think that that's another big question. if he's still coming across as the most authentic of the candidate in the race c that's going to work in his favor. and policy, they're talking about a lot of the things he first brought up. medicare for all. paying for four-year college. hillary clinton would say those are pipe dream plans. voters didn't want to hear that in 2016. the first question at this politics and eggs event i'm covering was about the national debt. i'm interested to see how that kind of conversation plays out here. and i'm also interested to see if sanders and his campaign learned any of the lessons from 2016. obviously he lost the primary, and the reason he lost was african american voters in those southern states that are so important to this primary process for democrats, and i'm interested to see where he decide he's going to go at first, if that sends a message
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about where he's going to try to stand to appeal to african american voters and if he can change his tone on that. >> kasie hunt there. thank you. we're looking forward to seeing your interview later today. nira, we booked you before you knew that bernie sanders was going to be running. glad to have you. >> absolutely. >> i want to get your reaction. you saw it from the other side back in 2016. here we are again with bernie sanders as kasie points out, in a field now that has largely in many ways adopted some of the more progressive policies. when you look at what sanders is running on, it's medicare, $15 minimum wage, tuition free public colleges, green new deal, lower prescription drug prices. >> i welcome him. i think it will be a good race on ideas. i think he has championed a lot of important ideas. i think things are considerable different from 2016. donald trump is in the white house right now. and i think a lot of people in the party are focussed on a
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unifying message. there was a lot of -- there was a lot of heated discussion in 2016. i think in 2019 and 2020 democrats are much more attune to a positive conversation about issues, and a discussion of which way is the best way to go forward. i'd say electability, i think it's a key concern. >> i want to read between the lines. are you saying bernie sanders might be two divisive this time around? >> i'm saying there is concern from the 2016 race. but look, 2019 is fresh. let's hope that we have a good debate on ideas, and backgrounds. i think a lot of hillary supporters think that hillary emerged weakened out of the primary process because of the level of attacks. and i think that that's react g people are defending others from attack, and i think that -- i'm hopeful that this primary will be a debate of ideas, and that he'll have a considering following for his ideas.
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>> senator sanders talked about the debate of his ideas that have come back up. here's what he said. >> all of those ideas, people, oh, bernie, they're radical. all of those ideas and many more are now part of the political mainstream. >> you're saying the party came your way? >> well, i don't want to say that. i think most people would say that. >> many people say -- >> look, i think -- i would say the democratic primary and the democratic platform in 2016 was the most progressive it's been. i think he's right, there are a lot of ideas that are -- there are a lot of broad goals he's talked about at the heart of the party. there will be a debate. it's not that everyone agr agreedinagreeds the bernie sanders. >> klobuchar made it clear she doesn't agree. >> i think it will be a uniform view to have universal health care as a goal own to have plans to get to universal health care,
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but there will be a lot of different options. some don't eliminate private insurance. some are single payer systems. i think that debate will be a very rich one. >> sahil and betsy, when you look at the conversation that we've had at this table about the field of 2020 candidates and what voters are looking for, bernie sanders is a 77-year-old straight white man in a diverse field of democrats. he was asked about it. he said i want to tell vermont this morning before he made his run. he says we have got to look at candidates not by the color of their skin, not by their sexual orientation or their gender and not by their age. i think we've got to try to move us toward a monodiscriminatory society that looks at people based on what they stand for. does bernie sanders represent the face of the democratic party? >> he does not look like the rising democratic voter. but he is also trying to play catchup on the issues that hurt him the last time around. he's talking about racial
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justice. >> visited south carolina already. >> exactly. he's talking about gun control. these issues hurt him, especially on the issue of racial justice with african american voters. he fell behind. . in a field that's this diverse with this many candidates and other african americans, can he make that up? it's very doubtful. >> one thing he can do well is raise money. he's got a huge donor base. 2.1 million online donors. that's above beto o'roarke and elizabeth warren. >> in most ways, this primary is likely to be significantly more challenging for bernie sanders than the last primary was. in part because there are so many candidates. last cycle bernie was basically the only nonhillary option. if you didn't want clinton, he was the only game in town. except for perhaps a few others who were less than serious. now he has to run against a variety of candidates who are very close to him on a lot of
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these issues. >> are you glad bernie sanders is in the race? >> i am glad he's in the race versus outside of the race. i'll say one quick thing. he cornered the market among mo millennials last time. now there are next generation candidates who may well lay acclaim to those voters. >> thank you so much. we want to get to the other big story we're following this morning. former acting fbi director andrew mccabe describing his conversation with leaders on capitol hill about that counterintelligence investigation he opened against president trump. listen to this. >> i know you and other members of your team briefed the so-called gang of eight. these are the leaders of congress in the days after comey was fired about the russia investigation. did you tell them that you had opened a counterintelligence investigation into president trump? >> the purpose of the briefing was to let our congressional
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leadership know exactly what we'd been doing. opening a case of this nature, not something that an fbi director, not something an acting fbi director does by themselves. this was a recommendation from my team. i reviewed it with lawyers. >> did you tell congress? >> and i told congress what we had done. >> did anyone object somebody. >> that's the important part here. no one objected. not on legal grounds. not on constitutional grounds and not based on the facts. >> my colleague geoff bennett is at the white house. also with us gregg brower who worked with andrew mccabe. geoff, a lot of reaction to that sound bite that you just heard. the idea that nobody including the republicans on the so-called gang of eight according to andrew mccabe pushed back on this opening of an investigation into president trump. >> it's stunning. in andrew mccabe's book he's laying out his version of events after president trump fired his old boss, former fbi director james comey. one of the things he says is he was so unnerved, so unsettled by president trump's behavior and
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public comments that he opened an investigation to determine whether or not the president was a national security threat. whether or not the president of the united states was, rather, knowingly or unknowingly working on behalf of russia. take a look at what he told savannah. >> did you order a counterintelligence investigation into the president? >> i did. >> is that tantamount to saying you felt there was reason to suspect that he was a national security threat? is that what that means? >> it is saying that we had information that led us to believe that there might be a threat to national security. in this case that the president himself might, in fact, be a threat to the united states' national security. >> when you're opening this particular kind of investigation, counterintelligence, did you suspect the president might be working for russia? >> we thought that might be possible, yes. we thought it might be possible. >> reporter: so mccabe is laying bare the same concerns that comey laid bare in his own
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memoir. both these men at the highest levels of law enforcement so disturbed about whether or not president trump posed as an existential threat to the rule of law. >> geoff, thank you. i'll see you at our work space later today. gregg, let me bring you in. this has been a remarkable sort of last five days or so ever since mccabe, somebody you know well, has come out and spoken publicly about the counterintelligence investigation. i want to play one more piece of what he told savannah. watch. >> what takes it to this next level where there's a suspicion he's working for a foreign government? this is extraordinary. >> you have to ask yourself if you believe that the president might have obstructed justice for the purpose of ending our investigation into russia, you have to ask yourself why. why would any president of the united states not want the fbi to get to the bottom of russian interveerns in oference in our ? >> a sobering series of events to say the least that mccabe is
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describing. i think what the american people should take away from this essentially is that the fbi was confronted with certain evidence and intelligence that it acted upon in a way it thought was appropriate at the time, and i think frankly that's what the american people would expect. the fbi doesn't charge anybody. it doesn't inside who is charged. it doesn't arrest anybody without other people like judges approving that. but again, investigates confidentially. i they that's the take away. >> it's interesting you say investigating confidentially. much of what the fbi does is behind closed doors. we have a contributor with a piece where he writes essentially that no fbi agent wants to do this. he says no agent wants to have to appear on national television to share what are typically guarded and private processes. we're all secretive and private about our work by nature and protocol. this is a step outside of that
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lane for mccabe. >> the reason why the fbi conducts investigations that way is for fundamental fairness. people are the targets and subjects of investigation all the time that don't lead to charges. it would be unfair to publicize the fact that hallie jackson is being invest gaigate first downe did nothing wrong. >> i'm not being investigated for clarity. but you know mccabe. why is he writing about this and going on national television to talk about this? >> his critics are going to say that he's written a book and is trying to sell a book. his critics may also say he's reportedly the subject of an ongoing grand jury investigation. >> he was fired for misleading the fbi about his interactions with the media. something he addressed and said he does, i want to get the quote right. he says he's never seen an oig report like that. it's not like anything he's ever read before. he plans to sue. >> there's a lot of back and forth. we're going to hear a lot of back and forth about that report. it's a damaging report.
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damaging to his credibility. and he is the subject reportedly of an ongoing jury investigation wrapt to those alleged misstatements. his critics are going to say there are a lot of reasons he's saying this stuff. i think on the whole, the sobering series of events that have to be taken seriously. >> gregg. thank you. if president trump wanted a fight, he's getting it. more than a dozen states are taking him to court over the national emergency declaration. we're talking to one of the state ags who signed on to the lawsuit. plus more of the interview with andrew mccabe. what he's saying about the claim that department ag rod rosenstein offered to wear a wire into the white house. the w. it offers a lot of great technology inside. oh, this is fancy. yeah, that's the available hd surround vision camera. the top of your car? it helps you see dangers around the vehicle. what is that? what the? wait wait wait... what is that? oh my god.
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the supreme court is back in session this morning for the first time in a couple weeks. somebody showed up to whab absent for a little bit. pete williams has more. pete, we're talking about justice ginsburg. right? >> reporter: is that who we're talking about? yes, back on the bench today. the court has been in the long mid winter break. didn't come back on the bench until today. there she was walking in under her own power in her usual way. if you didn't know what she'd been through for the past month or so, having part of her lung remove when doctors discover cancerous lumps in december, you'd never know. she took her seat next to the
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chief, her usual spot. she was the first questioner. she asked the first question during oral argument. it's something that often happens. she's fully functioning. she did participate in the other cases during the previous two-week session where she was not here by reading the transcripts and briefs. she was here last friday. we didn't see her. she was in the closed door conference with the justices, the usual friday conference, but she's back fully participating. also today the supreme court said it would hear a case from hawaii next term that could make it harder to sue for violations of the clean water act. and the court today also turned away an appeal from a women who claimed she was defamed by the lawyers for bill cosby. she claimed the improper sexual advance by cosby. she claimed he was liabled. the lower court said you injected yourself into the public sphere.
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for that reason, the supreme court also declined to hear the case. justice thomas, clarence thomas said you know what? it's time we revisit this law that this rule, this court law that says that a public figure can't sue unless he can prove malice. that's the finding of the famous new york times versus sullivan case, and thomas thinks that have wrongly decided. we'll get decisions here tomorrow and this is sort of a light workload week for the court. they're only hearing two cases this week, and then they're back again for more oral argument next week. >> i'm sure you'll be back there as well. pete williams, thank you. we want to turn to something that may end up making it way to the supreme court. protesters from denver to d.c. demonstrating against president trump's emergency declaration at the southern border. 16 states are suing to block the president, arguing the plan to redirect billions of dollars
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from the pentagon to pay for the border wall is a, quote, flagrant disregard of fundamental separation of powers principles. the suit accuses the president of using a manufacturered crisis blasting it as an unconstitutional and unlawful scheme. the president fired back on twitter calling them open border democrats and the radical left. i'm joined by the attorney general from connecticut. connecticut is joining this lawsuit. thank you for being with us. >> great to be with you. >> let me get your reaction to what we just heard from president trump there in the series of tweets this morning. every state that's suing except for maryland has a democratic governor. does politics play a part in this? >> no. i mean, we're focussed on the fact that the president poses an existential threat to the rule of law, someone in your last segment said that he's breaking the law, shredding the constitution. he's turning the national emergency act on the head. to declare a national emergency
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where none exists. the states have to be the fire wall to stop the president from blowing past congress and running rough shot over way of life and creating constitutional crisis. >> the central question is going to be who has standing to sue? who is going to be harmed by the president's action here? it's obviously not a border state, connecticut. why do you believe you have standing to join this lawsuit, that your state will be harmed by the declaration? >> we're being harmed now. the president said he's started building his wall, and he's saying quite clearly he's going to take money that's already been appropriated for military construction for drug interdiction, and drug forfe forfeiting funds. these are millions of dollars that states like connecticut rely on. there are several projects in connecticut at risk because of this president. this poses very serious risks
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and potential damage to the people of our state. again, because the president has declared a national emergency that even he admit the doesn't exist. the president himself said that he didn't have to do this, and then went off to play golf. it's pretty clear there's no emergency that requires him to do this. >> devil's advocate. doesn't the federal government have the right to spend money the way it sees fit? >> the federal government does with the consent of congress and according to the constitution. article one, vest the power to appropriate money in congress. and the national emergencies act was passed specifically i think in 1974 to limit presidential power and make sure that presidents don't make up crises to take money congress has not appropriated or in this case congress said no, you cannot spend money on a border wall. but the president decided to blow past congress and again,
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the states stand there as a fire wall to stop the president as really the first and the last line of defense in his attempt to shred the constitution. >> connecticut attorney general william, thank you for coming on the show. we appreciate it. up next, andrew mccabe making another stop on his book tour on the "today show" this morning. one stop so far not on his list? capitol hill. some members of congress hope that changes. >> some republican lawmakers are saying they'd like to subpoena you. they'd like to see you under oath saying some of the things you say in this book. would you be willing to do that? after months of wearing only a tiger costume,
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some republican lawmakers are saying they'd like to subpoena you. they'd like to see you under oath saying some of the things you say in this book. would you be willing to do that? >> of course. i look forward to cooperating with the committee. we haven't received a request yet. i'll take a hard look at that and talk to the committee when the time comes. >> put a popcorn emoji on that one. andrew mccabe telling savannah guthrie he's willing to testify under oath about the claims he's making on camera and in his book that he had reason to believe the president might be a security threat to this country and there were conversations at high levels about invoking the
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25th amendment to remove him from office. with us is joyce vance, betsy and sahil are back as well. joyce, talk through a little bit the pros and cons of what happens if and when andrew mccabe does end up testifying under oath to these lawmakers. particularly if he sues the justice department. >>. >> the situation is complex. he had a very storied career. had a great reputation, but near the end, he ran into trouble over allegations that he had misled his supervisor, then director jim comey and been untruthful about directing a subordinate to leak to the press. when he was dismissed it was over an allegation that he failed in something that was important to the fbi.
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everything in that confuses what could have been a straight trajectory for mccabe. everything he says has to be viewed through the filter of lack of candor. that will cause issues for him on the hill. despite the allegations of lack of candor in that one instance, much of what he says has the ring of truth. it's backed up by other information going on at the time. so his testimony, i think, will be highly anticipated, but people will have to judge it for themselves, given his history. >> i thought it was a little amusing that mccabe talked about the committee singular as if there's only one congressional committee that's going to want to talk to him. he's going to get requests from lots of them. the point about lack of candor is important. in the fbi if an agent is viewed as not always telling the truth, that agent is practically useless. you can't put the agent on the stand. they can't testify to a jury about the information they find about someone they're investigating. this particular phrase, lack of
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candor outside the fbi is not common vernacular. in the bureau, it's massively important. for him to have failed, allegedly on that front, is extraordinarily significant to his legacy in the bureau. >> what are you hearing, sahil, from your sources about the idea that mccabe is going to be pulled in front of lawmakers? people on both sides want to hear from him. >> right. and republicans are going to go after his credibility and they have a weapon to do that. president trump likes foils. he likes going after mccabe because of that. it imploszglossed over the fact mccabe was a leader in 2015 that oversaw the bureau when it concealed the investigation into president trump while disclosing and discussing the e-mail investigation in clinton clinton -- hillary clinton that hurt her. the picture is more complicated in reality than some of the narratives. once you go to capitol hill,
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it's propaganda. >> he responded to questions when he was asked by interviewers on his book tour. and savannah pressed him on that point. i want to play a piece when she asked about when the president accused him of trying to stoke a coup, if you will. >> i think the important part of that comment that rod made and the comment about the 25th amendment is not -- there was no effort underway. nobody wore a wire into the white house. nobody was plotting to stage a coup or remove the president. the point is the stress and the complexity of the issues that we were discussing at the time. >> what do you make of that, joyce? >> i think it makes a lot of sense, because if you're in this situation with the president, it's completely an unprecedented situation where there are clear concerns about the president's conduct and his allegiances, you have to examine the entire array
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of potential tools that are available to you for dealing with the situation. some of those on the lower end of the spectrum involve investigations, questioning, looking into what's going on. and on the other end of the spectrum, you reach impeachment or the 25th amendment. you think through the tools. that's not to say there was serious contemplation of using the 25th amendment. rosenstein could have never started it, carried it off. it would have required a overwhelming majority in the senate. it was simply under consideration. >> joyce, i got a note from a colleague here, tom winter. he's reporting on something else i want to get your legal perspective on. roger stone and that instagram post that stone put up showing the judge, the judge who is overseeing his case, with a picture of a cross hairs next to her. that was removed. right? he issued an apology. he reposted a different post on
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instagram. now there is a hearing for this afternoon scheduled by the judge about why the order entered in this case, she says, and his conditions of release should not be modified or revoked in light of the posts on his instagram account. roger stone, if i'm understanding this, made a mess of this on instagram. now this could have serious legal implications for him in court. do i understand that right? >> i think you do. stone was trying to be cute. i think he was trying to force the judge into a situation where she would do something that he could use to argue that she needed to be recused and needed to step down from the case, but the government only has to establish one of two things to revoke a defendant's release pretrial. either that they're a flight risk or they're a danger to the community. this afternoon the government will discuss with judge berman whether or not stone's actions mean he is a danger to the community. they can look at all the other evidence available surrounding his situation, and she'll
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consider whether he gets to remain upon release pending trial. >> let me correct myself. i think i might have said today. i meant thursday. sorry, it feels like thursday. thursday afternoon is when stone is hauled back into court to talk about this. >> the question is whether or not roger stone is going to go to jail or be put under house arrest. when she talks about modifying the condition of his release, that's what they're looking at. does roger stone, is roger stone going to be allowed to be on instagram, on twitter, traveling within the united states at will in the leadup to his trial or is he going to get the paul manafort treatment and go to jail. >> and stone is a dirty trickster. this is up his allie. >> i'm not sure agree. this is a stupid thing to post. anything with two brain cells would say don't do this. >> you are a hot fire on that one. >> stone did apologize in a
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post. he wrote a letter to the court. his attorneys did, calling the post improper. he said he humbly apologized for this. what he wrote in the initial post was about judge jackson, that she's an obama-appointed judge who dismissed the benghazi charges against clinton. he posted a plea for people to post money for his defense as well. how does he defend himself on thursday? >> the statement of apology, i've never seen a defendant do something like that before. it's unprecedented. i think the defense that he'll use in court is he'll say i didn't see the cross hairs. i didn't intend to threaten you, and he'll have that plausible deniability because of the nature of the post, but it fits in too neatly with the type of tricks that this particular defendant is known for using. and i think it's very unlikely that this was something that he did casually. this really is his effort to put the judge into a position where
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she'll rule on something, and he can then use it to argue that she needs to step down from the case. she's tough. she's hard nosed. she's seen a lot of other evidence in this matter. he does not want her to be the judge. >> you're making the point i was going to ask you about. judge jones is known for being somebody who doesn't mess around. >> federal judges see an awful out of things from defendants. they've used to dismissing them out of hand. i don't think she'll have any trouble on thursday in her courtroom. >> joyce vance, thank you for your perspective. for rolling with that developing news. betty and sahil stick around longer. we should know you can also see more of andrew mccabe here on msnbc tonight on "the last word" and tomorrow morning on "morning joe." up next, senator amy klobuchar is taking a different approach saying no to some of the big ticket items on the progressive agenda. we'll talk about that. plus the new fund raising numbers in from sanders.
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>> we're on a college campus. >> i know that. i know. but i've got to tell the truth. we have this mounting -- >> 2020 hopefully amy klobuchar last night not getting a ton of applause telling the audience what they might not want to hear in manchester, new hampshire. and with bernie sanders jumping into a crowded progressive team, klobuchar finds herself in a less crowded one. the pragmatic middle. i'm joined by a democrat from florida and member of the house foreign affairs judiciary and ethics committees. congressman, thank you for coming back on the show. >> it's great to be with you. thanks. >> let me start with a little bit on the democratic race come 2020. dave waggle at "the washington post" reports bernie sanders in the last three hours since it launched the campaign raised more than $1 million. there is clearly a lane for bernie sanders for progressive democrats. which way do you think the party should go come 2020 in propgres
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iveor moderate? >> at this point we're at the start of the campaign. here's what i can tell you about every single candidate running. they want to restore american leadership when donald trump retreated. they want to restore american values like integrity and honesty and truth that donald trump has trampled. they want to deal with real emergencies like climate change and gun violence and economic insecurity of millions of americans rather than fake national emergencies. we're going to have a long, important debate about how to do all of these things, but the difference between every single democrat who is running and the president who has thrown these values out the window is stark and that's why we're also optimistic about the 2020 election. >> one thing bernie sanders, senator sanders did not talk about when he was asked was this explosive claim by andrew mccabe. somebody else making headlines today regarding the 25th amendment and conversations apparently had on the level of rod rosenstein to remove trump
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from office. sanders did he didn't want to talk about it. what do you make of the climb and what do you make of the reaction so far to mccabe? >> no. i absolutely -- i appreciate the question. of course when the acting director faced a moment where there was such concern by him and among his team that they chose to launch a counterintelligence investigation into the president of the united states, there are a million questions that follow from that. we have to look at the president's actions from disclosing highly classified information to the russian foreign minister in the oval office to the secret meeting that the off record without anyone in attendance meeting with vladimir putin in helsinki. we have to ask the questions about what is it exactly that the president has been doing, and to the extent that the
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acting director can shed some light into what they were thinking at the time, it helps prove why the mueller investigation is so important. remember how i make this point. the mueller investigation is important not because it's going to produce a report. we're interested in seeing him finish his work, but what we're ultimately interested in is getting to the truth for the american people. that is going to come in part from what mueller produces and it's going to come in part from what congress is now underway in investigating. >> given what you laid out about the idea that andrew mccabe is talking about some of this and answering some of the questions, do you want him to come back in front of as a member of the judiciary committee. do you want to see him come in front of your committee? what questions do you have? should he be subpoenaed if he doesn't do it voluntarily? >> i would like to ask the kinds of questions that i just laid out. the decision to launch a counterintelligence investigation into the president is a remarkable -- it's
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distressing, and certainly we'd like to understand better what the thinking was even beyond what was already public at that time. we're at this moment now where the president, every day, tweets about the mueller report, the director of national intelligence was on capitol hill. the president continues to try to undermine the intelligence community, makes climbs about russia and this investigation being a hoax when the director of national intelligence tells us that the intelligence community is so worried about russia's attempts to interfere with the 2020 election. all of this, there's a whole pattern that's developed over the course of this presidency that needs to be the focus not just of the mueller investigation, but i want to hear what the acting director has to say just as we listen to the fbi director before him. >> you mentioned the dni. i have a question for you on that. yes or no. would you support a subpoena for
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andrew mccabe if he didn't come on his own accord? >> i don't know a subpoena is going to be necessary. i'd like to ask him to come in. by all indications, it sounds like he's going to. >> on dan coats, somebody who interacts with him in florida said the president is not happy with coats for publicly disagreeing on north korea's nuclear capabilities. there was that moment, i want to show it here quickly between andrea mitchel and dan coats last year which seemed to show the disconnect. you remember this. right? >> we have breaking news. the white house announced on twitter that vladimir putin is coming to the white house in the fall. >> say that again? >> vladimir putin coming -- >> did i hear you? >> yeah. yeah. >> okay. that's going to be special.
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>> what happens if the president does, in fact, get rid of dan coats? >> right. remember, now, the president sending out one of his friends to talk about his displeasure d have anything to do with that, it has to do with the job that the director of national intelligence is doing. the fact that dan coats came to capitol hill and says when the president says he's defeated isis, the national intelligence director points out in fact isis has thousands of soldiers who are looking to carry out attacks. the president says that north korea has no nuclear weapons. on russia, we've already talked about that. the president is supervisupset t of what the president says on these issues is dead wrong. >> thank you for coming on the show. much appreciated.
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happening right now in north carolina, you can see it there. day two of a hearing to find out what went wrong in the ninth congressional district in november. take a walk with me down memory lane. the house race there was never certified over accusations of election fraud. mark harris usually leads democrat dan mccreedy by 905 votes. state investigators say they found a coordinated and substantially resourced plot to mess with absentee plots. they say the plot was pulled off by this guy. one witness who happens to be dallas' step daughter. she said she was sending a few at a time from different
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locations. >> what i would be would vote whoever was a republican. >> and who would have directed you to do that? >> we were directed by mr. dallas. >> nbc's leann caldwell is there for us. talk us through what we've learned so far and any evidence that the republican candidate in this race knew about the operation that was being run. >> reporter: what we've learned so far is there are significant election fraud regarding these absentee ballots in the ninth congressional district. the man at the center of all this refused to testify. but it didn't matter because state investigators and his own step daughter clearly implicated him in conducting this illegal ballot harvesting scheme, including collecting people's ballots and sometimes tampering with them before he would turn
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them into the state board of elections. they're currently in the second day of hearing, talking to poll workers at the election board to determine if there was any corroboration between them and dallas. as far as the republican candidate is concerned, mark harris, there's been testimony that they clearly knew each other. harris and dallas. but there's been nothing connecting harris to this operation yet. people have testified that he is innocent and that he didn't know that the way that dallas conducted his operation, despite hiring dallas to do this and to do a get out the vote effort on his behalf. >> what's next then? when does this wrap up? how does it end? >> reporter: it could go into tomorrow, we're not totally sure. what we're looking for is a final decision at the end of this. there's a five member board, three democrats, two republicans. they could either decide to hold
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a new election or to certify this race in favor of mark harris. in order to certify the race, they just need the support of three board members to hold a new election they need the support of four. >> thank you much. time to get a check of what our sources are saying. you've got new reporting on something going down potentially at the state department? >> yes, officials there have been seriously discussing extending tps, or temporary protective status, which shields immigrants from being deported to venezuelans who live in the united states. this would be in stark contrast to the administration's broader policy on these deportation shields. trump has withdrawn his protection from immigrants from another of other countries. >> that's created a firestorm on that end as well. >> without a doubt. we expect conservatives to push back pretty hard against that
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prospect. >> what you got? >> congress is going to try to rescind president trump's emergency declaration. what i'm hear is they likely have the votes in the house and senate to do the simple majority that passes the -- >> the white house has said he's going to veto it. >> my sources expect a number of the republicans who have come out and said they're concerned about this to be with the president in the end if he needs them. >> always a pleasure to have you on. thank you guys, much. we end with today's big picture. this one comes to us from a moment in history. you know this photo. clutching a nurse, thousands of people swarming times square. the man in that photograph on sunday. the photograph symbolized the
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end of the war. we'd love to hear your thoughts as always, we'll see you tonight on nightly news, covering all the news that's fit to air coming out of the white house. craig melvin you're up next. >> or chris jansing. good morning, craig melvin is on assignment. all the president's men. as we wait for the special counsel's report we have breaking news. a new investigation into one of the president's closest and first allies. michael flynn. and a new hearing for another trump ally, roger stone. the judge just this morning has some big questions about something he posted on instagram. plus, no objections. frequent trump target and former acting head of the fbi andrew mccabe just made a bold new claim to our savannah guthrie. the stunning reaction from republican leaders in congress when he told them about the counterintelligence investig i


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