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>> that is for sure. miguel alma goes to work we look forward to your report. jonathan, gabby, barbara, danny, ron, appreciate you all being with us. craig melvin picks up our coverage in new york. >> good morning to you. craig melvin here at msnbc headquarters in no. all the president's men, big controversy surrounding two men with close ties to president trump, roger stone in court today facing the same judge he post add controversial picture of on instagram last week. and the president's former fixer, michael cohen, set to testify before the house next week. what cohen could reveal that could prove problematic for president trump. russia report, any day now robert mueller could finally finish his report on the russia investigation. but it could be sometime after that before the public knows anything about what's in that report. will new attorney general bill barr release it to the public? one on one, i sat down with
secretary of state mike pompeo. hear what he had to say about russia, north korea, and whether he's seriously considering a senate run. we start with today's major developments in the legal drama surrounding president trump. roger stone arriving in washington this morning to face a federal judge over an instagram post from a last week which many felt threatened that judge. stone with just a few words for reporters. >> you guys have a great day. thank you. >> stone's appearance set for 2:30 this afternoon. meanwhile, former trump attorney michael cohen will testify in an open session before a house committee next week. all of this taking place as we anticipate the mueller investigation ending any day now. several officials have told nbc news, the special counsel is winding up his investigation and
preparing to submit a report to the new attorney general. what happens next? not really clear. but this is what trump had to say. >> should the mueller report be released while you're abroad next week. >> that will be totally up to the new attorney general. he's a tremendous man, a tremendous person who really respects this country and respects the justice department. so that'll be totally up to him, the new attorney general, yes. from what i understand, that will be totally up to the attorney general. >> we get those details from national security reporter ken dilanian, phil rucker, white house bureau chief for "the washington post," paul butler, and mimi roker, all msnbc contributors. paul, i'll start with you. let's start with roger stone. what kind of reception can he expect from judge amy berman
jackson this afternoon? >> good question, craig. the average defendant who threatens a judge sitting on his case would be locked up immediately. mr. stone had the gag order and then to do this act that could easily be interpreted as threatening a judicial officer, a federal crime, it's very serious. the question is whether the judge will just scold mr. stone very strictly and tell him he better not mess up again, or whether she'll do what she did to paul manafort, which is to lock him up for violating the terms of his bail and violating the terms of the gag order. >> mimi, roger stone apologies for the post, that strange picture. his attorneys file an apology with the court. and then roger stone this morning decides to hop back on social media, this time soliciting help for his, quote,
epic fight against the anti-trump deep state. what's the logic here? is there a strategy perhaps? >> i'm not going to be able to explain the logic of roger stone, that's for sure. but, look, i think in some ways roger stone, he's clearly an impulsive person, he's a person who, you know, can't quite control himself in many ways. but that's not an excuse, and it's not going to be an excuse for the judge because that's exactly the kind of person who is, in fact, a danger to the community. i just want to go back fraelor second. at the time he was arrested, there were so many people and right wing media that were saying how dare the fbi show up and arrest stone in that way. and yet we now have this man
having essentially threatened a federal judge. that is the kind of person that should be arrested in that way. i wouldn't be surprised if the judge remands him, i also wouldn't be surprised if the judge gave him a stricter gag order because she actually really made it quite broad. he was not limited in many ways. and so she could decide to impose more restrictions on him and give him one more chance. she gave paul manafort one chance before she remanded him. she sort of consolidated him and told him he couldn't keep violating the terms of his bail. judges do do that. i don't think she'll be putting him in jail today, though i think she will not be wrong to do so. >> if she doesn't allow roger stone to talk to reporters, that would be like a prison of sorts of for him. >> true. >> ken dilanian, michael cohen's appearance set for next
wednesday, going to be open as we understand it. will there be certain topics off limits to lawmakers? >> craig, this promises to be a fascinating hearing. michael cohen will appear before a closed session of the house intelligence committee the day after he appears in open session for house oversight, but everything else will be on the table. michael cohen has implicated president trump in a crime, a felon, a campaign finance felony involving hush money payments to women. they're also going to talk about potential fraud of the trump foundation and president trump's states, about the president trump organization's business practices, about potential tax issues. so this is a bit of a sleeper hearing as we're digesting this news, but michael cohen is the john dean of this investigation. he was president trump's lawyer and fixer for ten years. he knows a lot of secrets and
he's prepares to go in public and talk about them. >> cohen tweeting yesterday the schedule has now been set, looking forward to the american people hearing my story in my voice. cohen may be looking forward to it. phil rucker, i can't imagine that's the sentiment at the white house. that are they saying about michael cohen's testimony if anything? >> this is certainly going to be a cause of concern for the president and for white house advisers and it promises to be an extraordinary split-screen moment because wednesday next week when cohen is testifying on congress, president trump is set to be in hanoi, vietnam, for the first of a two-day summit can kim jong-un, the north korean dictator. he's going to be overseas trying to solve the nuclear issue with north korea, making what he thinks is going to be a bid for history and possibly a nobel peace prize, at the same time his lawyer is going to be getting into a lot of pretty
humiliating and criminal, potentially, details regarding the president's behavior, and that will be happening simultaneously. >> the po"post" reporting todayn advisory to president trump said there is palpable concern among the president's inner circle that the report might contain information about trump and his team that is politically damaging but not criminal conduct. phil rucker, what are the biggest concerns at 1600 pennsylvania over what might be in that report? >> the concerns according to the advisers i've talked to is the report could document a sort of pattern of bad behavior by president trump that may not cross the line into criminal activity, but could be politically damaging, that could make him look suspicious, look bad, document all the ways in which he's tried to stymie these probes, tried to influence aides
and that could create fodder that could stick with him for a long time and could be a point of attack, frankly, from democrats as the 2020 campaign gears up. there's a concern that the report could be more damaging and veer into the criminal space, perhaps provide a reason for house democrats to begin impeachment proceedings. but that, according to white house advisers, is a worst case scenario. they are prepared more for the political damage. >> president will be overseas in vietnam next week at the second summit with kim jong-un. the timing of the release of the report, is there any reason to think the special counsel's office might say, you know what, the president's not in the country, this is a good time to put this out or a bad time to put this out? we'll wail for the president to return? >> mueller in the past actually when he's brought the significant indictments were when trump was on his way to meetings abroad, one with putin.
i don't know. the release of the report is different than an indictment in that there probably is more control over it and we now know bill barr may have input as to when exactly it gets released. he may take that into consideration more than mueller otherwise one. one point on this idea that the white house is putting out there that the report will have politically damaging but not criminal conduct. these are the same people who have repeatedly come out and said it isn't criminal to pay money to women to silence them. these are the same people, rudy giuliani came out and said the only way the president can be involved in a conspiracy is if he knew about the hacking. those things are not true, their legal theories are purposely very narrow. so i just want to caution on people accepting that what we see is, quote, not criminal. >> paul, we've seen guilty pleas
and convictions and indictments as a result of the mueller probe. what happens to the cases that are currently being handled by the special counsel if the investigation is wrapped? will they get reassigned to existing offices? >> absolutely. it's not the best way to express that the investigation is ending. it's more like it's being handed over. so roger stone, for example, was indicted by people from mueller's office, but also people from the u.s. attorney's office for the district of columbia. so the many investigations and entities related to donald trump, his campaign organization, his charity foundation, his business organization, all have those investigations will continue. just to underscore what mimi said, yeah, so the spin is that the mueller report is not going to contain evidence of crimes by donald trump, but that's just then.
there's enough information in the public record about trump's efforts at witness intimidation, obstruction of justice, that mueller could easily write a report that goes right to congress and that kind of clicks off the buttons about high crimes and misdemeanors standard for impeachment. he doesn't think a sitting president can be indicted under those doj policy guidelines, but that doesn't mean there won't be in this report considerable evidence of criminality by the president of the united states. >> paul butler, thank you. mimi rocah, thank you as well. mr. rucker, thank you. some breaking news on this thursday. facing a felony, "empire" star jussie smollett in custody facing charges after prosecutors say he made the whole thing up. in the last hour, the chicago police department delivering a scathing statement. we are live in chicago with the latest as the actor prepares for court roughly three hours from
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now facing a felon charge after police say he made up the attack that sparked national outrage back in january. smollett told chicago police two men shouted homophobic and racial slurs at him. he said those men also assaulted him. police say now the whole thing was a hoax. smollett faces a judge in a few hours. we heard from the chicago police department, this is part of what the superintendent had to say. >> smollett paid $3,500 to stage this attack and drag's chicago reputation through the mud in the process. and why? this stunt was orchestrated by smollett because he was dissatisfied with his salary >> nbc's ron not is in chicago. do we expect to hear from smollett in court this afternoon? >> probably not, craig. this is expected to be a pretty
short hearing where the judge will essentially hear from the state and a little bit from the defense and then set bail in this case, which we do expect given the nature of the alleged crime here is going to be within his reach. so we are expecting him to leave the courthouse at some point this afternoon just off camera left position here. but what a stunning turn of events in this investigation, craig. 23 days ago, jussie smollett was an actor who had claimed to have been beaten just outside his apartment building, garnered a lot of support online, from presidential candidates. president trump even expressing some concern for his safety as well. and then this morning he turned himself in to police at 5:00. in just a few hours time expected to go in front of a judge to get bail set in this case. it's just remarkable how police say they detailed what happened here all the way until last wednesday, craig, when those two men who were seen on that very grainy surveillance camera just
outside of jussie smollett's apartment building, they landed back here at o'hare airport wednesday. they were met by investigators, taken into custody on a 48-hour hold. and the police superintendent said it took them until the 37th hour before they turned and changed their story and were going to cooperate with authorities. here's a bit of the what the very frustrated police superintendent had to say about that twist in the case. >> from the beginning we had some questions about it, but, as i said, we gave mr. smollett the benefit of the doubt all the way up until that 47th hour of the 48 hours we could hold those two individuals because we just didn't have the total package to support that it was a hoax. so when you heard me coming out saying we are treating him like a victim, that was the truth because at that time that's what he was. and i think anybody that reports a crime deserves the chicago police department to treat them in that fashion until we have
solid evidence to prove otherwise. >> reporter: filing a false police report and being convicted of that crime is a serious crime, a class 4 felony with the crime punishable by up to three years in prison. also a monetary fine. at the end of this inference today, perhaps the police superintendent was giving some of the parameters of what likely could be a plea deal if that happens, apologize to the city of chicago, admit that was a concocted story and what smollett could give for them investigating this case to the detriment perhaps of other cases that he could have been working on. so it's a stunning day here in chicago, a stunning last few weeks, a lot of very frustrated people in this city, the good name of this city has been
maligned by the allegations made by jussie smollett. >> a chicago guy himself, ron. also, in just a few hours a coast guard superintendent is accused of living a secret life as a domestic terrorist. this is according to federal prosecutors. right now christopher paul hasson faces only gun and drunk charges. prosecutors say he intended to murder innocent people on, quote, a scale rarely seen in this country, including democrats and a few of our colleagues here at msnbc. nbc's hans nichols joins me from greenbelt, maryland. what do we expect to happen in court this afternoon? >> reporter: at 1:00 this afternoon we'll see chris has n
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less than a week away from president trump's second summit with north korean leader kim jong-un. i sat down with secretary of state mike pompeo for an interview. we also talked about his expectations for the summit, the alabama woman now barred from returning to the united states after joining isis, and the end of the speculation surrounding a possible senate run in 2020. >> this time next week you will be in vietnam with the president for the second summit with kim jong-un. after the first summit in singapore, president trump tweets that north korea no longer poses a nuclear threat. we know now thanks to preponderance of the evidence that's not necessarily true. some of that evidence coming from the cia, the agency you used to run. how would you capitalize the
threat. >> the good news is they haven't conducted missile or nuclear tests in over a year. that's better than the place we found it when he came into office. but as the president said, this is a long and difficult task. we've been negotiating hard. i have a team on the ground in vietnam even today continuing to lay the groundwork for the summit next week in hanoi. and i'm very hopeful that chairman kim will fulfill the promises he made in singapore last year. >> complete denuclearization, is that still the goal, the expectation. >> yes, sir, that's the goal. >> any compromises on that? >> that's what we need to get for the american people, to keep the american people safe we have to reduce the threat from a nuclear-armed north korea and in turn we can work on peace on the peninsula. >> south korea's president moon jae-in suggested one way to achieve that might be to officially declare an end to the korean war, even reducing the number of troops in we have
stationed in south korea. are either of those an option? >> good question. remember the goal is denuclearization and a bright future. i don't want to get in the negotiations what we might give up, but the american people should know we have the toughest economic sanctions that have ever been placed on north korea, and we won't release that pressure until such time as we're confident that we've substantially reduced those risk. >> sounds like those are options next week in vietnam? >> we're going to engage in negotiations. the president will go there and i hope they will make a truly historic step forward. >> let's talk about the alabama woman who left four years ago to join isis. she has a son. she said she wants to come home now. she was radicalized and made a big mistakes, she says. the president ordered you not to allow her to return. her attorney says she was born
in new jersey in 1984. why would we not want to bring her back to question her, perhaps even to try her? >> you have to remember the context. we've now taken down all but the last square inch of the caliphate in syria and iraq. millions of people liberated by president trump and our administration, the great work our soldiers have done on the ground. there are now over 800 terrorists that are being held, foreign terrorists fighters being held in syria today. she's just one of them. she is a terrorist. she's not a u.s. citizen. she ought not return to this country. >> so she wasn't born here? >> she may have been born here. she is not a u.s. citizen nor is she entitled to u.s. citizens. >> because she was the daughter of a diplomat when she was born here? >> that's right. >> let's talk about andrew mccabe. perhaps you heard he wrote a new book. he was here just a few days ago talking about the book. in that book there are several startling assertions. one of them, and he told this to savannah, he said he's the one
who ordered this counterintelligence investigation into the president. he was the acting fbi director at the time. you are the acting cia director at the time. andrew mccabe also said that congressional leads knew about this. did you know about the counterintelligence investigation into the president? >> i've watched a little bit of it. i probably haven't followed this as closely as you have. i've been busy. i find it sad andrew mccabe had him declare that he wasn't credible. i don't put a lot of stock into things mr. mccabe said. my work at the cia was aimed at keeping america safe. i don't talk about investigations that we did or didn't do. i did see remarks about the 25th amendment. >> no knowledge of that? >> i've been in the cabinet since opening day for the trump administration. that's ludicrous. i've never heard any discussions of it by anyone, any of my fellow cabinet members or anyone else that's serving in the
executive branch. >> so you weren't aware of the counterintelligence investigation? >> i don't talk about ongoing investigations or the absence of ongoing investigations. for two years i've protected that and i'll protect it again today. but know this. this administration has been tougher on russia than the previous administration by far. the only person you really need to ask about that is vladimir putin. >> let's talk about venezuela. this weekend the deadline, we're trying to get aid into this country. president maduro said he's going to close the borders. he said it's a pretext for a u.s. invasion. what was your national interest in venezuela and what do we expect to happen this weekend? >> so this weekend we will attempt to deliver what are now hundreds of tons of humanitarian assistance that the american people, our taxpayers, have generously paid for, now have moved into the region. we hope we can get it across the
border. there have been three million refugees who had to leave the country. the humanitarian crisis is enormous. that's always an american interest to make sure we feed those that in this case the government cause is a wholly man-made catastrophe in venezuela. we have security interests too. this is in our region. we don't want this to be a cuban puppet state in venezuela. president trump is determined to protect the american people and provide humanitarian assistance in this true crisis. >> while i have you here quickly, 2020 is just around the corner. there has been some talk that perhaps a mike pompeo might return to kansas to run for an open senate seat? no interest in being a senator? >> i love doing what i'm doing, and i have 75,000 warriors around the world trying to deliver for the american people. it's ruled out. i'm here.
i'm loving it. >> i've invited two of the smartest people i can think of to talk about this. steve clemmons, washington editor at large at the "atlantic." steve, let's start with north korea. seems like the goal of this summit according to pompeo is to get north korea to actually implement the changes that it promised at the last summit. what's the best case zmscenario? >> the best-case scenario would be that kim jong-un says you're right, i'm going to denuclearize everything, take down the facilities i've been building since your last summit, which has been in violation both in spirit and the letter of what he was agreed to before. so if you ask what the realistic scenario is, i think we probably have a situation where this
weird stalemate of smiles and attempted good will between north korea and the united states continues, but kim jong-un continues to build nuclear facilities and nuclear weapons. he may not be testing them, but he's certainly building them. >> ann, how much of this is about the definition of denuclearization? >> well, craig, that has always been a problem. north korea is purposely vague about what denuclearization would mean, and the united states' definition of it has shifted over the years. but clearly would include the dismantling the existing nuclear weapons and the considerable infrastructure that north korea has built and continues to expand that could be restarted any time that they wanted to. mike pompeo is right that the north koreans have put a big pause on nuclear tests and
that's all to the good. what they haven't put a pause on as he was alerting to is the continued development of the pickup truck behind that, which the moment this goes wrong for them, they could decide to ramp up. that's what's on the table here, do they actually pull back, take significant steps to dismantle and reveal what they have or not. >> i asked pompeo about the alabama woman who left four years to join isis, has a son now, wants to come home, admits she was radicalized. pompeo insists she's not a u.s. citizen. her family, family's attorney insists she is a u.s. citizen. how does this get revolved. >> i know countless numbers of diplomats whose children were born in the united states and are considered u.s. citizen from japan, from all over the world.
so for the executive branch of this government to decide under what terms are people u.s. citizens is something that's going to be challenged. i sat in a conversation between then-general pa tray esand dianne feinstein. and the question was whether a citizenship could be stripped. and dianne feinstein said this would be an incredibly slippery slope. so we're in that, not in a public discussion or the intelligence committee, but just out open. mike pompeo in a conversation with you saying this person is not a u.s. citizen by fiat. so it's a remarkable moment, and i think that we will find people not wanting to align with her, but rather raising fundamental questions about who gets to determine the constitutional basis for united states citizenship. >> pompeo there saying he has
ruled out running for this open senate seat in 2020. senate majority leader mitch mcconnell has been pressing him to do it, others have approached him. him ruling it out, did that surprise you at all? >> it did. first of all, craig, congratulations. you got a little news out of mike pompeo who's extremely good at not making it when he wants to. he did rule it out. and he has implied that he's not interested, but he ruled it out with you, which is news, which will be a disappointment to mitch mcconnell and senate republicans who very much wanted him to run. he is saying no to that and it sounded pretty firm and final >> he also, steve, addressed the andrew mccabe claims about opening this counterintelligence investigation himself into president trump. pompeo said there that he wasn't aware. he seemed to dodge it a bit. >> well, you know, i take the
man at his word instead of saying what was rex tillerson in or not in on, what were other frustrated members of the cabinet no longer there in on? it's not hard to imagine that he was not included in those conversations. but we don't know is the answer, and i think it would be tough to speculate when you have individuals like andrew mccabe coming forward and not only mccabe, but rosenstein and others saying that engaged in conversations with people, you know, maybe from pompeo's perspective this never ran across his desk but it's clearly something others are asserting and there has discussion that has taken place among the cabinet >> we have exclusive new reporting from the pentagon about the u.s. conducting surveillance flights over russia right now. as part of the open skies treaty, these are the first flights since november of 2017. mr. clemmons, how significant is
this? >> i think it's significant. despite the close relationship between putin and trump, the united states and russia are having a tough time with it. inf, we have had trouble with the russians on certifying the of any kind planes that would take part in this agreement, which was set up after the fall of the soviet union as a trust-building operation with allies and other former adversaries to help create trust and transparency in national security issues. we haven't had that in recent times, while it's in our right, this seems more like a prod than a thing contributing to trust. >> steve clemson and ann, thank you so much. brand-new reporting going into joe biden's chief concern over a possible white house bid, and who his advisers are eyeing as a running mate.
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decision. what happens when president trump tries to make his family an issue because clearly nothing is off limits. mike has been following this story. mike, what's holding joe biden back? >> craig, in the course of my reporting, one thing is clear. we're reaching a critical stage in terms of the former vice president and his deliberations about the 2020 race. he's asking some of the same questions any potential candidate would ask, do i have an argument to make to the public that's unique in the field? he believes he does. can i beat donald trump? biden says he thinks he's the most qualified and the best candidate among democrats to beat donald trump. can he wayin a primary? he's going to have to work hard for it, especially in had a crowded field. and then there's the issue of the family. craig, i know you know this, you had that great interview with the have the and dr. jill biden. any candidate is going to
consider the effect the campaign will have on his family. they have lived in the public eye and endured tragedy in the public eye. as he looks at a potential race against donald trump, some of the conversations he's having, he's been interested in the perspective of others about what happens when you have a potential opponent in donald trump for whom nothing is sacred? it's clear even if donald trump is not doing what he did to some of his former republican opponents in the 2016 race think about ted cruz and his father being behind the kennedy assassination, the attacks on jeb bush and his family. it's going to be an issue on its own. that's sort of where they are in running what biden calls these final traps. he wants to have final gut check conversations with his children and grand children >> there are also reports that some of biden's people have reached out to beto o'rourke to discuss the possibility of being
number two on a ticket. who do we know about those reports? >> craig, one thing i think people should know about biden's political operation is that his inner circle is as small as his outer circle is big. there are a lot of people who might say they're affiliated with him. i've gotten flat denials that they've been approached. i should mention from my time covering congress when beto o'rourke was in congress and my time covering the vice president, there is a friendship there. they worked together when rourke was one of the few democrats in congress supporting the trans-pacific partnership. not yet, but that doesn't mean it's not something we might hear about if and when the vice president enters the race. >> how likely is it that you think he runs, mike? >> the vice president is telling people 80%, 90% he's likely to run. if we learned anything about the vice president to getting to
100% the make all the difference. for me i think we're as close to 50/50 right now, but expect potentially in the next two weeks to have clearer guidance on that. >> mike, thank you. thank you for your solid reporting as always, sir. >> thanks, craig. a north carolina congressional race is still undecided and shrouded in controversy. now the republican candidate's son has shaken up the investigation into the race with some surprise testimony. we're live in raleigh, north carolina. so, we re-imagined the razor with the new gillette skinguard. it has a unique guard between the blades. that's designed to reduce irritation during the shave. because we believe all men deserve a razor just for them. the best a man can get. gillette.
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now to the ongoing battle for the last uncalled seat in the 2018 midterms. right now republican candidate mark harris is on the stand. this is a live look. he's testifying before the north carolina state board of elections as part of an ongoing investigation. he's going to have a chance to respond to the emotional testimony from his son, john harris, who told the board wednesday that he warned his father about illegal tactics used by one of his political operatives. nbc's leanne caldwell joins us from raleigh.
she's been closely monitoring this story. leann leanne, give us some background. >> reporter: craig, let me back up a little bit. this entire thing is about fraudulent absentee ballots at the hands of mccrae dowless. mark harris, the congressional republican candidate, has been saying he was unaware of the illegal ack particulatactics do increase the output of these absentee ballots. but his son, john harris, surprisingly testified against him yesterday. here is what he had to say. >> i love my dad. i love my mom. okay? i certainly have no vendetta against them, no family scores to settle, okay? i think that they made mistakes in this process and they
certainly did things differently than i would have done them. but in thinking about all of this and engaging in this process and watching it all unfold, i've thought more probably about my own little ones than my parents, and the world we're building for them. >> reporter: craig, it was a really riveting and emotional testimony yesterday by john harris. and now we're hearing from the father, mark harris, the candidate, who is saying that was his son's opinion, that he warned him of the challenges that dowless could bring to the campaign, but that he was assured by dowless that dowless worked within the confines of the law and trusted the friends and confidants who recommended dowless to him. this hearing is continuing on the fourth day and at the end we'll find out if they're going to certify this election or call for a new one. >> leanne caldwell for us in
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right now. and good day, i'm andrea mitchell in washington. we're at the end of special counsel robert mueller's two-year-long investigation. the probe has cast a dark cloud over the white house and engulfed many members of president trump's inner circle, several of whom have already been indicted. several government officials tell nbc's pete williams that mueller's work is nearly done and he will likely submit his report to attorney general william barr in the next week or so. that report will be confidential. federal guidelines say nothing about sending it to congress or making it public. joining me now is the man who started the investigations into the president and russia, former fbi deputy director andrew mccabe. his new book is called "the threat: how the fbi protects america in the age of terror and trump." andrew mccabe, thank you so much for being here. i want to play for you what the president had to say about you yesterday. >> okay. >> andrew mccabe has made a fool out of himself over the last
couple of days. and he really looks to me like sort of a poor man's j. edgar hoover. i think he's a disaster. and what he was trying to do is terrible. and he was caught. i'm very proud to say we caught him. so we'll see what happens. but he is a disgraced man. >> your reaction? >> it's not the first time, andrea, as you know, that i've had to sit and listen to the president of the united states lie about me. he's lied about my wife in the past. he then denies that, which he did just a few days ago. it's always a head-spinning and confounding moment when you listen to, unfortunately, the things that this president says. once again, he's completely wrong. i strongly disagree with his sentiments. but i was struck by something else in this press conference yesterday. it was interesting to me as he began to speak about my departure from the bureau, my firing from government work.