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>> fascinating. >> well, you could not interphase a new family. >> no way. >> yeah, but you know so much, it could be fascinating. >> one big question i have with r. kelly and we'll talk about it in our show. we have other big news we want to get to first. what took this so long? th these allegations and rumors about r. kelly had been out there for decades and taken this long in a documentary to get to this point? >> maybe he's innocent? >> of course. >> looking into it and getting into the investigation and asking real questions about these allegations and what these girls have said about r. kelly and what's out there, it is taking a long time. >> stephanie ruhle, have a great show. >> everybody hold onto your hats. let's start right now. it is 11:00 a.m. out west, 2:00 p.m. washington.
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andrew mccabe is standing by to speak to us in just a moment. we begin with the white house bracing for the potential release of robert mueller's report as soon as next week. drop date predictions ranged from any moment now maybe one second to the next couple of weeks. we don't know what's in the report and presumably neither does the white house. press secretary sarah huckabee sanders says the president and the administration as a whole expects indicationvindication. >> we feel good of what we have said the last two years was clear, there was no collusion. t he was a better candidate and he out worked her. that's why he won. he had nothing to do with rush sug rush -- russia or any other country. >> rudy giuliani told "usa
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today" trump's legal team is putting a rebuttal to mueller's final report. if mueller clear the precedents then we walk away. the big question, what's left and what's next in the mueller investigation? joining me now is our pete williams, pete, that question to you, what's left and what is next? >> i don't know what's next. we never know what's next with mueller. it does seem like he's about finished of all the signs point to the fact that he's wrapping up and closing down his office and he'll be sending his final report as required by the special counsel regulations. a couple of things about that. there is a widespread public misconception of what's going to be in this report. we can't say for sure but we have been told by justice department officials that mueller intends to follow the rules closely and all they say is when he's done, he gives a report to the attorney general explaining his reasons for which
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cases he prosecuted or which cases he declined to prosecute. that's it. not a long recitation of how he spends his time. and then there is less of that gets reported to congress and made public. all regulations say that when special counsel work is done. the attorney general notifies the chairman of the house instead of judiciary committee that it is done and explains any time that the attorney general counter of anything that the special counsel wants to do. that's it. undoubtedly we'll get more that. that's thing one. thing two, when the report goes to mueller and the attorney general, don't expect for it to be made public at that point. we may not know when it go to the attorney general. it is not 100% clear that the justice department is going to tell us that.
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we repeatedly urge them to do so. they have not made a decision about that. the attorney general is going to have to decide how much it gets into the public and how much it goes into the congress. >> that's going to take a while. >> expect a long period of silence before anything else comes up. >> so what should we expect pete in terms of any more court filings indictment. i know manafort, there is something happening to him today. i am wondering if we are out there and think of this report comes in the next five minutes, does that mean all the indictment is over or does the case get sent off to various different u.s. attorney offices or the sdny or etcetera or is that just the end? >> so yes, to some of all of that. i don't think it is coming out today for various reasons that are sort of tedious. i don't think it is coming. it does not seem to -- it is going to the attorney general today. in terms of the possibility of
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any more indictments, i suppose there is some indictments filed under sealed that have not been sealed yet. there seems to be the last weeks or months or so, little activities by the grand jury that mueller had been using. >> they owe the judge in the district of columbia paul manafort case. sentencing the memorandum. he'll be sentenced in both of those cases next month, a week apart in d.c. and virginia. and yes, parts of the case have already been spun off to local u.s. attorney's offices. the u.s. attorney here in washington is picking up the roger stone's case. all the signs point to this bottom of the ninth for the mueller's team. probably one outlet. >> pete williams, thank you very much. joining me now, former acting director of the fbi. andrew mccabe, the author of "the threat," how the fbi
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protects america in the age of terror and trump. mr. mccabe, thank you very much for being here. i do want to dive into manafort, a sentencing memo expected today, in the last hearing where manafort was present, the legal attorney and special counsel was talking about a meeting that paul manafort and rick gates and kilimnick, what happened during that meeting? whether or not manafort passed on potentially pulling to k kilimnick. this goes very much into the heart of the special counsel's office is investigating. there is an in person meeting at an unusual time for somebody that's the campaign chairman to be spending time and to be doing it in person. that meeting and what happened at that meeting is of
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significance to the special counsel. with us that me was that meeting on your radar at the fbi early on? >> no, katy, it was not. you recall that we are pretty early in the investigation at the point in may when special counsel mueller was appointed and at that point, all those investigative matters return over to his authority. most of the progress, dim indictments and charges and guilty plea, and sentencing memo that comes from that activity are all progress that we can attribute to the team that director mueller had been leading. >> was paul manafort's relationship with kilimnick known to you with the fbi at the time? >> i can't say of what specification we have during that time. we were concerned and interested in mr. manafort for his long history of questionable
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interactions, business engagements and political engagements with numerous figures and ukraine and in russia. >> i am not surprised that the special counsel team is very interested in that meeting. now, katy, you can think of it as almost these sort of investigations when you are looking for a connection of possible connection between a subject and a foreign intelligence service. you can try to build those from both sides. what are the individuals who are associated with that service. what are they doing and what is your subject doing and where are the communications going and where our meetings are taken place and you are constantly trying to connect those to individuals. you don't always connect them perfectly in the same place at the same time. this meeting is a remarkable set of facts and it is one that i am not surprised the special counsel is very interested in. >> was donald trump's campaign aware of the concern that
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federal officials had with paul manafort? >> i can't speak for the campaign and what they may or may not been aware of. >> were they alerted. >> well, mr. manafort's activity in ukraine had connections to russia were widely known. it is hard to imagine that they did not know that. >> were they alerted to the fbi potential being concerned or u.s. officials being concerned of paul manafort's relationship. >> i won't be able to discuss with you specific things may or may not have happened on the course of the ongoing case. >> there are a lot of instances that have happened in the past three years that have -- that raised a lot of questions and confused a lot of people. it started early on in 2016 but actually the end of 2015 when it came to donald trump and his affinity for vladimir putin. there was one instance in particular july of 2016 and you
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know it well and i know it well, i was there for it when donald trump went and asked russia to find hillary clinton's e-mail. i want to play that for a moment. >> i would be breastiinterestin see. russia, if you are listening, i hope you are able to find the 30,000 e-mails that are missing. i think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press. let's see that happens. that'll be next. >> that's july 27th, 2016, the middle of the campaign. i know what i was thinking when i was in that room. what were you thinking when you saw that? >> i was shocked. a candidate for the presidency is openfully exhorting one of o informal adversary to conduct legal activities on his political competitor. it is something i have never seen in electoral process before.
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i think i was shocked in the same way like you and everybody else likely was. >> was the fbi shocked? in a deeper way rather than i wonder why he would say that? >> there were a number of moments that caused that concerconcern of what may happen in that campaign of strange and unprecedented things that the candidate was saying. that was one of those moments. i think it is significant that the investigators on direct mueller's team followed that lead and concern. and look, at the other side of the equation, right? look at what they know the russian and foreign intelligence officers were doing at that time. they now come pretty close to showing us that there may have been a direct response by the russian hackers to do exactly what the president publicly
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asked them to do. we can't be sure of that. i certainly don't have a smoking gun that shows the connection of the request and response between the two. we have and told forensic evidence of russian computer hacking activity shortly after the statement by candidate trump's activity that was perfectly aligned or seems to be aligned of what he was asking for. that was unbelievable concerning. >> i am sorry, can you repeat the investigation? >> was there opening investigation into donald trump because of that statement? >> we had a lot of conversations at that time about that exact issue. we already investigated the campaign as the leader of his campaign. his own activity and speedome r responsibility was coming within the purview of our
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investigation. it was not until may of 2017 that we decided that the facts are overwhelming and evidence we have clearly indicated in a bases that a crime committed or a threat to national kpexistenc. it is time to focus on the president himself. >> let me play another moment, may of 2017, part of that infamous eight days in may where donald trump sat down with lester holt here on nbc news and said that russia played apart of his decision to fire james comey. >> regardless of recommendations, i wrecommenda,s i was going to fire james comey. this russia thing with trump and russia was a made-up story. again, i know what i was thinking, what were you thinking? >> it was incredible. i had to set the context for you a little bit. this was immediately two days after the firing of james comey,
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very shortly after i directed the team to go back and reevaluate what we were doing and come to me with a recommendation for additional steps to take, cases to close or cases to open. i was testifying in front of the senate intelligence committee that day. already being publicly pressed about whether or not there had been any effort to impede russia investigation. that was the exact question we were thinking about at that time. we were concerned of the step that is the president had taken to fire director comey after of course we refused to follow his request and dropping the case on mike flynn. when we heard that statement and of course the later comments that the president made in the oval office, we knew we had no choice but to start to investigate in earnest of the president of the united states. >> the question of collusion still have not been answered by any of the filings by the mueller team. we'll find out if that answer,
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if that question gets answered and when mueller's final report goes to bill barr and if bill barr releases that to congress and that gets to the public. that's an unknown right now. what we do have and seen a lot of over the past three years or two years is donald trump pushing back on this investigation. the charge of obstruction had been raised multiple times in multiple different ways. we have a short list of all the wa ways. everything from asking james comey for loyalty, asking don mcgahn from recusing himself and twice ordered robert mueller to be fired and writing don jr. statement of the trump tower meetings all the ways that he potentially tampered with witnesses and intimidate witnesses online. the lawyers for donald trump
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enroached in the idea pardoning flynn. would you have enough to get that prosecution? >> well, here is what i will tell you katy. obstruction is always a fascinating investigation. once you have an actual act that you think may have been the act of obstruction, the question then becomes what was the intent behind that act. that's something that could be hard to prove. in this case as you just recited so many statements, so many additional acts, clear desire, i could not possibly count how many times. clearly indicated his take for this investigation. he demeans it consistently and he attacks the investigators themselves personally. he does not want this case to go forward.
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from my estimation based on the experience i had as an investigator for many years, there is clear indication of his intent, desire to make this investigation stop and go away. you combine that with an act like firing the director of the fbi and many other things that we have seen taken place. it is hard to imagine that were he a regular citizens condu con the same sort of activity, it is hard to imagine that you would be in a position to go forward with an indictment or charge. he's not a regular citizen. he's the president of the united states, the justice department state has a long policy. >> it is a memo. do you believe that would holdup in court that you can't indict a sitting president. >> well, i don't know. i know the justice department is pretty resolute and in that belief that a sitting president can't be indicted. i guess we'll have to see how it plays out. >> one final question, we have been talking about this
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investigation for multiple years, the public has formed a lot of opinions on it on both sides. there is a lot of information, there has been a big effort by the president's team to call this one big witch hunt to raise the bar very high on this. what do you expect or what do you want the public to take away once this comes to an end? if robert mueller makes a decision something that the public does not agree with, would you urge us to trust him? >> i think people should take seriously of whatever conclusions the mueller team brings to the table. whether they support your own political preferences for or against the president or any of his associates, i am confident that director mueller and his team have pushed this investigation in an aggressive forward leaning way, they gone
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in every direction they could o go. they are professionals of the highest integrity. they'll deliver the results, the competent results that they have come to. i think we should pay that great ease. >> one final question, i am going to give you one more. would you be surprise if robert mueller did not find any evidence of conspiracy? >> i would not be surprise by anything at this point. whatever mueller comes forward with, i will take his conclusions to hard and give them the respect that he deserves. >> former acting fbi director andrew mccabe, thank you very much for joining us. >> thank you, katy. breaking news, former r. kelly is facing criminal charges. the singer whose real name is robert kelley charged with 10-count aggravated sexual abuse. he denies any wrong doing. he's been under scrutiny after a documentary aired earlier this year detailing the musician's
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behavior. joining me now rahema ellis. >> what's going on? >> to your point of these ten counts of aggravated sexual abuse against this grammy award winning singer is out today. there had been allegations, that the charges would be filed against r. kelly. there was documentary earlier this year that pointed to suspicion of him abusing young women who were miners and teenagers and as young as 13 years old and suspecting that he may be engaged in what is called a sex cult. we should point out in 2009, he
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was brought up on charges of having child pornography, he was not found guilty of those charges. he continues to maintain his innocence now. >> what was revealed in his documentary? >> it was luring details of how he was engaging with again, minors, holding women against their will about having his will over women. any facts and families have come forward, one family think their daughter had been under a spell by r. kelly so they're doing all they could to get her out of what they considered to be his clutches. the young woman is denied she's being held against her will and she's doing what she wants to do. >> we have these charges coming out of chicago saying that r. kelly and not just saying but charging him with improper sexual behavior, particularly
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involving minors as young as 13 years old. >> how many? >> there could be four victims, we are staying clear from that right now. this is breaking and we don't have all the details. i have not yet seen the indictment so i don't want to go into the particulars of it at this point. these are serious charges with ten counts of aggravated sexual abuse. a man that's been under fire for almost 20 years. >> i am told we are unclear of the number of victims. we are waiting for confirmation on that. katie, what is this process going to look like and what do we expect what's going to happen next? >> each one is a class 2 felony in the state of illinois. he's looking at 3-7 years of prison for each of the ten counts. the charge is aggravated and sexual criminal abuse, we do know that the victims have to run from ages 13 to 17 years
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old. that would be consistent of what had been alleged to be the m.o. for somebody like r. kelly. he'll have to be arraigned and enter a plea of not guilty. back in 2008, r. kelly was acquitted for child pornography charges. he had been sued several times and he settled aull of those cases outside of the court. this is the second round for somebody like r. kelly. the victims have been around for years, it is a day of reckoning for r. kelly. we know he has a powerful defense team behind him and he'll put up a huge fight if this thing goes to trial. >> what had taken so long? these allegations have been out there for a long time and there are people out there who'll say that race played a role in this. what do you make of that?
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how can you address that? >> well, i don't think race plays a role in this. unfortunately, any sexual assault victims, they're loathe to come forward or manipulated by r. kelly allegedly or scared to come forward. michael avenatti is the lawyer of stormy daniels represents who we are calling a whistle blower, a man who worked for several years and who's able to take a 42-minute tape that avenatti tru produced to the office. he was able to identify r. kelly of all people that was committing sex act in that video with a 14 years old girl. because of that, i think the cook county d.a.'s office finally have what we call corroborating evidence of r. kelly committing sexual act with a girl between the ages of 13 or 17 which is given rise to these
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charges. katie phang and rahema ellis. robert kraft was one of the people charged of human trafficking ring that reportedly stretched from china to florida. again, kraft is charged with solicitation. we got a statement from the nfl, quote, "the nfl is aware of the ongoing law enforcement manner and will continue to monitor developments." joining me now is kerry sanders outside of jupiter, florida, what's going on there? >> reporter: katy, this is an investigation that spans down the east coast of florida. it all began with the complaint with the health department. somebody gone into one of these store fronts allegedly a massage parlor and once the health department looked into it, they
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contacted the police. this is a human trafficking operation bringing young girls from china to new york and depositing them at various massage parlors in florida and basically trapping them there. the authorities say they did not speak english and they did not have anywhere to live so they essentially live in the same places where they worked. it is alleged while they were working there, they had to service some where from six to ag m eight men a day paying $60 to $100 and a tip on top of that. of course, they say it was all up front and it was not a massage parlor but prostitution was taken place. among the evidence they collected here would be the fluids from some of the locations out of the trash and while report kraft is sayikraft human trafficking, he's one of those went in looking for services, it would be a
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misdemeanor in florida, punished of 60 days in jail or a $500 fine. a big picture of those handling this investigation, it takes the clients to lead the criminal conspiracy to bring people all the way from china and turn them into sex slaves. >> nbc kerry sanders. >> next we'll debrief of what we heard from andrew mccabe. plus, we are still waiting for special counsel to file a sentencing memo in the case against manafort. it is a busy, busy day, again, we'll be right back with much, much more.
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investigatoror for many years, there is clear indication of his intent and desire to make this investigation stop and go away. you combine that with an act like firing the director of the fbi or many other things we have seen taken place. it is hard to imagine that were he a regular citizen conducted the same sort of activity, it is hard to imagine that you would not be in a position to go forward with an indictment or charge. >> joining me now to break down what we heard from andrew mccabe is our tom winter, the reporter covering the mueller probe for the l.a. times, chris mcgarren. tom, what do you think? he says he has a clear case for obstruction and you can clearly prove donald trump intent. >> it is not typical for the justice department to bring obstruction of charges if it is not an under lining crime. presumably if you are committing obstruction of justice, you are obstructing another crime for being investigated.
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it would be unusual in a very unusual circumstances, the president of the united states where he would bring forward charges where it does not involve an under line crime. that's the first thing. the second thing is, as far as the president's statements, one thing we struggled from the beginning and we may lost here in the sea of all the information that comes up, you have somebody that's attacking the investigation and very much attacking witnesses that a. if you look at this as an organized crime case. is any other crime by any other person and you would say what does this person try to hide? >> it is not normal behavior. >> you can speak to this better than anybody else. you know how donald trump is. is this him acting out because the president does not want his victory and the 2016 election to be challenged in any way or to
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make it seen like he had any artificial help. >> that's potential case. i think what we have seen if that's the case is that i guess the president is digging his hole deeper and deeper and not being able to climb out of it. i start to wonder if that's just a gaslighting version of what we have been seeing. does that make total sense. yes, the president is erratic. does that make total sense. that's going to be a big question. i do not want to be a federal prosecutor based on prosecutors that i have spoken to about this. well, is is within the president's right to say that he did not have any collusion? is it within the president's right to say that you know nothing about paul manafort had been charge with to date had noig to anything to do with it.
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it is not only criminal because he pleaded guilty to it. when you look at that, the president is not wrong when he says there is no immediate indication or nothing that paul manafort pleaded guilty to. it is a give and take there. >> what still does not make sense is how friendly the president had been to vladimir putin and friendly he was back in 2016 during the campaign and long before this investigation got started and long before anybody got the investigation after did start. chris mcgarren. the other thing i found interesting when i asked him about kilimnick that happened at the cigar down the street, he clenched up. he was not able to answer those questions and was not able to answer whether manafort and kilimnick were under investigation by the faib early
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early -- fbi early on. >> yes, i noticed that. when investigators and prosecutors learn about this meeting, it is also still in clear. also, unclear of is there anything to charge relating the relationship between paul manafort and kilimnick. prosecutors have not said if the data that's related to the election. so it is kind of vague right now what really is the connection relates to the campaign. all we know right now is that allegedly paul manafort lied about it. >> we do have andrew weissman saying at that hearing that meeting goes to the heart of the russia investigation. >> i would interpret that in two ways. one is something happens at that meeting that makes it the heart of the investigation.
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the other thing that when you read what the special counsel appointed. any contact between the campaign and russians. if paul manafort lied about that. that goes to the heart of it whether or not something that happens at that meeting. that's the core of the investigation. those kinds of contact. >> carol, what about you? one thing to remember is the high burden of proof that attaches to a criminal investigation. borrowing an actual recording of a meeting or an untrue witness which we have of manafort. the prosecution's hands are a little bit tied in terms of proving what was said at that meeting. with respect to the special counsel's report coming up, there is a bigger difference between a report and a criminal conviction. so there is a lot of ground that has to be covered and to bring an obstruction count even if the
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president were to be indicted during his term as president, you know there are a lot of things that makes the president not a normal citizen. he has pardon authority, he is the president of the united states. he is in charge of the department of justice in a sense and so there are things that makes it not a normal citizen. those give him powers but also give him some defenses were an obstruction case to be brought against him. >> the other news is michael cohen on the hill yesterday, tom winter, back on the hill to the next week. what can we expect there? >> we'll hear more of his conduct that he said he did and the president is aware of. he implicated to the president and as well as we'll get a little bit more details as far as some of those trump tower discussions that he said continued past when he told
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congress, they continued and continued well into the 2016 campaign. i would suspect that we'll hear more information about that. maybe a little bit more as far as the president's conduct between the two and what how he operates and what he's like within the confine of the trump organization. i would expect to hear those three things next week. a little risky for cohen, not a lot he can get out of it. he does run the risk if he makes some misstatement there facing some additional lying to congress and false statements to congress. i would suspect that michael cohen is doing a lot of prep pag pa participatio preparations right now. >> he can't answer in a public setting. that's something that he does not feel comfortable disclosing publicly. >> what if he's asked of the dossier or potential trip to prague? >> i think those things are all
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fair game at this point. unless it is something that's still under investigation and we are going to see in the report. i would suspect at this point michael cohen to be sworn and in front of congress to say whether or not he's in prague or not. >> he told reporters, he was not. >> we have seen this investigation, there is no meaning of him telling the truth. >> thank you guys very much. ballot fraud will lead to a new election in north carolina, the ninth congressional district. a big story going on in north carolina. don't expect to see a new member of congress any time soon. stay with us. ♪ hoo
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>> he'll run again in the upcoming special election and he struck a defiant tone against harris. >> when you see this kind of cheating, this kind of fraud, when you see a culture of corruption built by someone else's campaign. this is bigger than one race. this is bigger than one election, this is about what it means to live in a democracy and what it means to be an american. we'll keep fighting. >> joining me now leanne. this was happening as we were talking yesterday when harris made that statement that he wanted a new election. tell me what happened after that. >> it was an incredible moment, of this months' long journey to get here. we know there is going to be a new election, of course, this is really big, really precedented.
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this is the first time of a redo of the federal election because of election fraud. it is a really big moment as far as all the characters who are involved in this. mccready dallas and mark harrison and others. there is still a criminal investigation is going on. as far as the race is concerned, we know that dan mccready is energized and he's ready to hit the ground and start running. the big question mark is who's going to be the republican candidate. it is unloo i cikely is going t mark harris, he's quite tainted after this process. >> we hear the term voter fraud a lot. the voters was not doing anything fraudulent, it was the person handling the ballots. we hear that a lot from republicans, election fraud, there is fraud and all these elections are tainted. that's when we need voter id
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laws and that's why we need whatever -- suppression. you can call it suppression. why are we not hearing from a lot of republicans from this? >> this is a situation where republicans were hoping to hold onto the seats for obvious reasons they thought they had in the bag and these allegations emerge and this whole controversy emerged. we have not heard people talked about it. republicans talk about this. democrats pointed out exact point that you make, republicans talk about fraud all the time. one of the fascinating things about this too is fox news has not talked about this. in december, fox news was silent by this. it is kind of burying it under the rug. carolina is targeting people who
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may not be allowed to vote. there is a process moving forward of north carolina, very floes focused on that. >> what does this do to the argument of voter id laws? >> eit has been known for a whie that absentee ballot -- the sort of thing you heard of never happens. absentee ballot fraud -- there does need to be some added security measures in place for that but that's not what republicans want to talk about because there is that suppressive effect of making it so you need to have an extra step. >> we talked about voter suppression and how hard it is to vote for voter id laws. what if a student looks at it and says god, it is so messed up
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and what's the point? >> it is a good question. anything that undermines conference and t confidence and integrity of our election, -- part of what we saw of what the russians done, they understand that cast into questions of broadly how the democratic works. this is covering two counties in north carolina, broadly speaking, it is a reminder that we have to take steps to make sure elections are safe. >> thank you very much. >> leanne caldwell, thank you as well. >> coming up, she left america to join isis and now she wants to come home. richard engel's interview is next. w is next oints... or your digestion... so why wouldn't you take something for the most important part of you... your brain. with an ingredient originally discovered in jellyfish,
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she left the u.s. in 2014 to join isis, but now she wants back in, but it has been made clear that she is not allowed to return. >> she is a terrorist, she is not a u.s. citizen. >> she was not born here? >> she may have been born here, she is not a u.s. citizen and is not entitled to a citizenship. >> she said she believes something different. >> i was a citizenship, and when
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i tried to file for a passport, it was easy, it came in ten days. i'm sure there is no problem, and i know my lawyer hopefully is working on it and he will win the case. >> do you think you will be able to go back to the united states? what do you think will happy enf you're allowed to go back? >> of course i will be given jail time. >> richard engle, there is talk that she abdicated on twitter for the death of americans, that american blood should be spilled. it gets more complicated than that, i believe, when the prospect of gasing legal ramifications what would come up
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if she comes back to the u.s. >> there are hundreds of foreign isis families that came over to be part of the islamic state. we were at a camp earlier today and in just this camp there was 1600 women and children that were foreign isis brides, and a lot of countries don't want them back. they're effectively stateless and they're being held in this detention facility, but the kurds can't hold them and they can't tame them back. these are people that came back
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here, in some cases they advocated violence, sometimes they didn't, she says if she could change she would. >> the only regret i have is my son. if i could erase everything and have my son i would have preferred that. >> on that issue of her social media, there is numerous reports that she appears to have confirmed that her twitter account was to advocate for attacks. she said to rent a truck and drive other people on memorial day and veteran's day. when i asked her about that today she got quite nervous and said that her lawyer has advised
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her to no longer comment about her social media use. so she hoping her lauren can work something out with her state department. >> does she expect sympathy. >> she would face american justice, would probably go to jail, but she doesn't know what else to do because right now her a alternatives are to stay in this camp. these canvas tents, it is very cold and wet here tonight, for an indefinite period of time. she presents herself as a victim but a victim willing to come and
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face the music. >> richard, thank you very much. one more thing before we go, the white house says they're aware and looking into the labor secretary's secret plea deal involving a wealthy financier. the judge ruled that the agreement broke the law because epstein's victims were not notified about it. it was areaed in 2008 when he was an attorney in miami. he oversaw this arrangement that kept epstein from facing charges. and yesterday's 33 page ruling u.s. district judge, he says he finds it particularly problematic that the victims were miss lead to believe that the federal prosecution --
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secretary sanders. sanders said she is not aware of any changes to the president's opinion. >> that was a whiplash hour. the 3:00 p.m. i bet will be the same. >> it is we have a few things going on in the 3:00 hour. i'm chris jansing. this afternoon we're looking at charges against one of the most stefl owners in nfl history.
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the rnbx in history. a warrant is in and out out for the arrest of r. kelly. what do we know about these charges and what do they stem from. >> now we know there is ten counts of aggravated sexual abuse charges against r. kelly. from the start of this, one of the things we should say is his attorney is saying there is nothing to all of this. these charges are coming one week after attorney michael avanati, and you recognize that name, after he turned over to prosecutors in chicago a videotape alleging that r. kelly was having sex with an under age girl. whether or not these charges that have been filed against r. kelly today have anything to do with that tap

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