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committed the perfect murder. >> and who better to do that, than a police officer. >> a police officer. >> that's all for this edition of "dateline." i'm natalie morales. thanks for watching. good morning, and thanks so much for joining us. i'm morgan in new york. msnbc world headquarters, it's 6:00 in the east, 3:00 out west, and here's what is happening. telling all, the president's former fixer, spilling what he knows about the trump organization to new york prosecutors but is it too little, too late for michael cohen. plus, the waiting game. when we can expect to see what the special counsel has found, and what exactly happens after that report finally drops. >> and florida crackdown. a top secret operation lands one of the most powerful men in american football in hot water with the law.
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also -- >> something to the presidential race today, you said you are not a democratic socialist. >> i am not. >> what's the difference between a democrat and a democratic socialist in your mind. >> that's kamala harris in the hot seat, her answer to that question, and how she says she wants to overhaul health care in america. . new this morning, the special counsel's highly-anticipated and potentially revealing sentencing memo for trump's former campaign chief could be made public today. now, that filing against paul manafort wasn't revealed after a midnight deadline, so that means the judge could be redacting sensitive information. that memo is also expected to shed more light on how manafort fits into mueller's investigation on a russian interference. sources say new york prosecutors are preparing criminal charges against manafort, in connection with tax and bank fraud, which is meant to ensure that he faces prison time. and that's even if the president pardoned him.
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meanwhile, the political and legal worlds are on high alert over the mueller report. a justice department official telling nbc news, they are now not expecting it until after next week. so how much the public will see of that report depends on this man, attorney general bill barr. president trump again yesterday insisting the report will show no collusion. >> have you spoken -- >> i have not. >> do you expect to? >> at some point i guess i'll be talking about it. so i look forward to seeing the report. if it's an honest report, it will say that. if it is not an honest report, it won't. >> another political and legal battle brewing, the house speaker says they will vote tuesday on a resolution to stop president trump's emergency declaration to build a border wall. that wall triggering a vote in the senate. now nancy pelosi visited the border with mexico yesterday and sent this message to the president. >> we will be fighting him on
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this use of, usurping of power, of violating the constitution of the united states, in the congress, in the courts, and with the american people. so this is a path i would not recommend he go down. i don't expect him to sign it but i do expect us to send it. >> we get more details now from nbc news white house correspondent kelly o'donnell, good morning. >> good morning, morgan. a new twist in the battle over the president's border wall national emergency. as democrats move forward with a resolution to formally object to the president's plan, to divert military construction funds to build his border barrier, the president said friday he would veto the measure, if and when it reaches his desk. >> will i veto it? 100%. 100%. and i don't think it survives a veto. we have too many smart people that want border security. so i can't imagine it would survive the veto. >> the president made his comments during a wide-ranging
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oval office event. president trump was asked about the special counsel report. and he said he has not discussed with his new attorney general william barr any plan for public distribution of the findings, once it reaches the department of justice. several democratic house committee chairs wrote barr friday, insisting that they expect that he release the report to the fullest extent permitted by the law. under the special counsel rule, the report goes from robert mueller's team to the attorney general, with no further requirement that it be made public. late friday, the president also decided to move his current ambassador to canada to be the next u.n. ambassador this all comes before the president heads overseas monday to vietnam for his second summit with north korea. the president claims he has a good relationship with kim jong-un, but heading into the summit, it's unclear what specifics could be accomplished. as some u.s. officials say they are not convinced kim is prepared to give up his nuclear weapons program.
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morgan? >> thanks so much. that's kelly o'donnell from the white house. and joining me now, senior reporter with business insider, and daniel litman, report wer "politico." good morning. let's start with the highly anticipated mueller report. is it possible that the report is being delayed because the president's meeting with north korea? >> it is possible that is why it is delayed but it is also more likely that the report isn't ready yet, because it is very, the chances are pretty slim that the special counsel robert mueller will be ready to turn in his findings by next week. as i reported earlier this week, there are over a dozen continuing investigative threads and court cases that will still be going on, even after the release of the report. so if the attorney general is trying to speed up its release, it doesn't mean the investigation is anywhere close to over at that point. >> you mentioned it possibly not being close to over, but daniel, what's your take on the delay? >> i think we've been expecting
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this report for a long time. remember, rudy giuliani and other of trump's lawyers, would say, well, mueller is about to wrap up, you knows, he's going to be done by thanksgiving and he's going to be done by x date and mueller continued to work, because he has so much to look at. and you know, as my colleagues said, there is just a lot of outstanding threads that they were investigating, and there's hundreds of thousands of documents and pages that they were going through, and so mueller wants to be comprehensive and he also wants the greatest possible stage for his report. and so if he released it, when the president is overseas, that might provide a split screen, and so i'm sure he keeps that at the top of his head as well. >> you both have mentioned the threads of those various charges. i know this is something that you have reported on earlier. sources say the new york d.a. is ready to file an array of tax
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and other type of charges against manafort in the case of the president decides to pardon him, but really, can you do that, without violating double jeopardy laws? >> absolutely. this is exactly why, when i spoke to a former d.o.j. official yesterday who used to work with mueller, he put it bluntly, he said manafort is probably regretting violating his plea deal with the special counsel right about now because this is exactly what legal experts have been warning about the entire time. manafort got potentially the best deal that he could have got when he struck the cooperation deal and looking at a drastically reduced sentence if he cooperated fully given his position at the top of the trump position and his ties to people close to the president so it was really shocking when he decided to breach that plea deal and people said it was specifically because, even if he was pardoned, given the nature of his crimes, he was potentially facing state charges as well and now we're seeing that playing out. >> and speaking of watching that
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play out, let's talk about sticking to the party line, because the president is nominating the u.s. ambassador to canada as ambassador to the united nations. she was asked in 2017 whether or not she believed in climate change. let's take a listen to her answer. >> i believe there are signs on both sides that are accurate. both sides have, they have their own results from their studies, and i appreciate and i respect both sides of the science. >> daniel, help us understand the trump agenda here, and the people he's working with. do you expect kelly craft to follow more closely than nikki haley, the administration's positions on issues like climate change? >> so i think kelly craft is joigt be someone who plays a very -- going to be someone who plays a very important role in setting, in being the american face to the world, and the u.n. has played a top key role in
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also, you know, working on climate change. and so if a person who waffles on whether she believes in it, when 99% of the world scientists say that this is a big danger to the world, and we're already seeing billions of dollars of impacts and more storms, and heat waves, it's kind of interesting, i would note, that kelly craft's husband, is the top, is the owner and top person at a top, at a major kentucky coal producer. one of the biggest. he's a billionaire. and so obviously, she has a financial interest in kind of disputing the science of climate change. >> and could that financial interest be problematic for craft, especially given her husband's profession? >> absolutely it can. craft is kind of walking a thin line, as daniel mentioned, falling in line with what the u.n. is doing and combatting
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climate change and the effect on the planet, while also maintaining what president trump finds to be the most important thing for his, for people he nominates to any position, which is loyalty. and loyalty to president trump's position on climate change, loyalty of course to what her husband believe, they were both major political donors to his campaign, so it is certainly, it is certainly possible that it will create a conflict of interest for her when she starts this new role. >> i want to switch gears for a moment and i want to talk 2020. "the new york times" reporting new allegations that senator amy klobuchar mistreated her staff. one of these allegations is that she required staffers who took parental leave to remain with her office for three times as many weeks as they had been gone. and to pay back money earned during the weeks that they were actually on leave. now, sonam, what is your tame on these allegation, and the sexism that women are facing on the campaign trail? >> this story is clearly not going away any time fast for senator klobuchar.
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we saw this when it first came out a couple of weeks ago. and despite all of her denials, she hasn't addressed even the specific allegations that have come out against her, and given how competitive the 2020 field is going to be, also given the fact that she is a female candidate who has championed a lot of progress ive causes, i don't see this going away any time soon and she will have to come out one way or another and address specifically these allegations that have come out against her. >> daniel, are these allegations enough to derail her? >> it is such a competitive field that even without these allegation, she probably didn't have the best shot of being the nominee. but it's very tough when you announce for president, and then you have these three major stories from huffington post, buzzfeed, "new york times," telling readers about how bad a boss you were, and also in a party where you can be a tough leader as a politician, you can be demanding of your staff, but
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that doesn't mean that you should go on a jet where you forgot utensils and then you have to give a comb to the senator to eat her salad, for klobuchar, and then klobuchar hands it back to the staffer and says clean it. like that is, that just sticks in your head as saying, no boss has ever told me to do that. >> nor me, daniel. i hope that is never told to me. we look forward to seeing you later. thank you so much, thanks for joining us this morning. >> thank you. and an nfl stunner. a powerful friend of the president, billionaire owner of the new england patriots, robert kraft, charged in a day spa prostitution sting. we'll have the latest and what we know about the case. stay with us. stay with us
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the next battle, 2020. it's a busy day of campaigning for some democratic candidates and their focus is those early battleground states. kamala harris making several events in iowa, and julian castro with two stops in the hawk eye stop, and elizabeth warren focussed on new hampshire and former vice president joe biden leads with 30% and bernie sanders, 21%, and harris, 11%. one of the most powerful
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voices in the nfl caught up in a prostitution scandal. florida authorities say robert kraft the billionaire owner of new england patriots, has been charged with misdemeanor counts of soliciting sex. the alleged acts took place at a jupiter florida day spa. one of nearly a dozen spas where investigators think that young female workers were actually trafficking victims. nbc news correspondent kerry sanders has the latest. >> reporter: police here in jupiter florida say they were even surprised when they discovered the identity of one of the alleged clients at the massage parlor. police in florida identified 77-year-old robert kraft, as one of more than two dozen men who allegedly frequented this massage parlor, a front, say investigators, for prostitution. >> we are as equally stunned as everybody else. notoriety. >> this is one of ten spas closed after a six-month investigation of massage parlors across the state.
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several alleged conspirators were taken into custody. and hundreds of arrest warrants issued. for the men investigators say visited the establishments. the coordinated takedowns were the result of round the clock surveillance with cameras outside and hidden cameras inside. >> the video that we obtained, it shows the act that took place. on every gentleman that you have a list of, the acts that took place is recorded on that video. >> investigators say kraft who has a home in florida, visited twice. one of those trips they say was just two weeks before the super bowl. a spokesman for kraft says we categorically deny that mr. kraft engaged in any illegal activity. because it is a judicial matter, we will not be commenting further. the case was launched after a complaint to the health department and quickly became a multi-agency investigation into both sex and human trafficking. women from china, some as young as 24 years old, tricked say
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police to thinking they were coming to new york for legitimate jobs and instead shut to some of the shuttered florida massage parlors whose owners did not respond to nbc's requests for comment. police arrested these two women this week, accused of luring some of the unsuspecting victims. >> detectives say many of the women from china who did not speak english were forced to eat and live where they worked. as for why they didn't leave -- >> fear, intimidation. debt. shame. the whole nine yards. when you get here. and they're stuck. and they're truly victims. >> in addition to a jail sentence, if convicted, there could be a fine of up to $500. morgan? >> that's nbc's kerry sanders. and joining me now, live, is msnbc legal analyst danny savalos. good morning. thank you for being with us. i have to get right into robert kraft. he is facing a number of charges here, so can you explain those
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charges for us, and what are the odds that he goes to jail? >> florida has several different statutes that address prostitution. there is solicitation of prostitution, there is another solicitation, but that is essentially holding out the business of prostitution, as you saw, two suspects there arrested. the crime of solicitation of prostitution, in other words, visiting a prostitute, is a serious crime in florida. but a maximum of about a year in jail. depending on the exact charges. so it's possible this could be a probation only sentence. there's no mandatory minimum. but of course, very serious charges. no matter what. >> speaking of charges, let's switch gears to manafort, the filing of paul manafort's sentencing memo from the special counsel, it was not publicly released yesterday, as expected by midnight. so what could be behind this delay? is this really about waiting for those approved redactions? >> it absolutely could be.
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the courts and the government taking very seriously redacting information, and even a run-of-the-mill case. in a case like this, maybe one of the largest or most significant white collar investigations of our time, they're going to be extra careful. they're not just running spell check on this one. they're going over it with a fine tooth comb. not that comb that you talked about before, but a real, i mean they are really going over these documents. >> not a klobuchar comb. >> yes. >> and speaking of charges in prison, a "new york times" report says that michael cohen met with new york prosecutors and offered quote possible irregularities within the president's family business, and about a donor to the inaugural committee. nbc news has confirmed this report. what does this tell you about the new york's investigation, and could this information be enough to get his sentence reduced? >> it could be. michael cohen is a very interesting case. you will recall that a few months ago, the government said michael cohen is not exactly a cooperator, and michael cohen's
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attorney shouldn't be saying that he is. because apparently michael cohen was willing to cooperate somewhat, maybe 80%, maybe 70%, but not 100%. and nothing less than 100% cooperation is cooperation to the government. but now, it appears that michael cohen is going for another form of cooperation. the rules of criminal procedure allow for a reduction in sentence after sentencing if the defendant cooperates substantially. so it looks like michael cohen is going for that second bite of the apple. and he can get that prison sentence reduced. however, it is entirely within the discretion of the government to file that rule 35 motion. >> but danny, give us a sense of scale here. is this probe, by the southern district of new york, proving to be the president's biggest issue right now? the one with the most potential to prove legally dangerous for him? >> i've said from the beginning that the southern district probe is the most threatening to the president, and i think the simplest answer to that is
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several months ago, there was an open question, as to whether or not the government really thought that campaign finance laws such as that which cohen was convicted of, is really a crime, and i mean in the wake of the john edwards prosecution, maybe the government thought it is a crime but it's very hard to prove, maybe we will use our discretion and not charge it. well, that all changed the day michael cohen stood up in court and admitted in open court to committing the crime of campaign finance violations by payoffs to various women. and it directly im kated in that crime, was then, implicated, in that crime, was then candidate, then not president, trump. to date, that is the closest to a direct allegation of a crime against mr. trump. so from the beginning that coupled with michael cohen knowing all the dark secrets about the trump organization, the southern district of new york arguably presents a greater threat to trump and his circle than even the mueller investigation. >> well, we will wait and see, and we will be waiting on that
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memo. danny, thanks so much for joining us this morning. and coming up, the timing of that mueller report release. what a delay might have to do with the president's meeting with kim jong-un next week. stay tuned. meeting with kim jong-un next week stay tuned when i kept finding myself smoking in my attic. dad!
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is drawing down u.s. troops a consideration in your meeting with kim jong-un? >> no, it is not. that is not a consideration. that is not one of the things on the table. >> what is on the table? >> you really want me to discuss that now? >> i do. >> everything is on the table. >> that is president trump who is set to travel to vietnam this coming week to meet with none other than north korean leader kim jong-un. despite the president's optimism for a successful trip, those around him are not so sure. a political article headlined trump aides worry he'll get outfoxed in north korea talks. notes some express trepidation that not only the summit may not yield big results, they worry too, that trump, eager to declare victim oy victory on the world stage could accept empty promises. >> joining me msnbc contributor christopher dicky.
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are trump's aides right, is trump at risk of getting outfoxed by north korea? >> i think they have every reason to fear that. he certainly has got outfoxed in singapore last year. when the two of them met. and there's a general feeling that kim jong-un only will deal with president trump because kim jong-un thinks that he is a lot smarter about these issues than trump is. and he can manage trump much more effectively than his underlings can manage the real negotiators, the people who actually know the ins and outs of denuclearization. so there is a lot of fear that trump will give the ball game away, trying to claim credit for some great victory as he did in the singapore summit. and while in fact handing a huge victory to kim jong-un. >> you mentioned giving the ball away, and it is concerning because no one seems to think that this is going to go well. except for the president himself. mike pompeo is doubtful that any meaningful progress will be
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made. so why is the summit happening? is this all for show? >> well, i think that negotiators came to realize if there was really going to be no movement at all, unless there was a new summit, that was made clear again and again by the north koreans. and they wouldn't talk, basically wouldn't deal with the actual negotiators, so over the last couple of months, they have been dealing with the negotiators but about what? whether and when and how there could be a new summit with trump. that's where it all goes. again and again. and the feeling is that, you know, there's not going to be any denuclearization, there are not going to be any of the promises that seem to have been made in sing more. we're going to have to get used to the idea that north korea is a nuclear power, it is never going to give up that deterrent power facing the united states and the rest of the world, and so what is trump going to come away with? probably nothing.
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but in order to seem to come away with something, he may adopt the idea of a peace treaty, an end of the formal war, that began in the 1950s, in the korean peninsula, which would mean very quickly, a withdrawal of american troops. >> but given this trip, give us a sense of timing here, there were reports that the mueller report won't be out until after next week. so is it possible that the special counsel would delay the release of the report to avoid making the president look bad while at the summit with kim jong-un in vietnam? >> well, i think it works two ways. on the one hand, probably mueller does not want to make the president look bad just gratuitously at a moment when he is engaged in what is obviously sensitive diplomacy. but on the other hand, if mueller is going to release this report, if it is going to finally make it into the public sphere, which isn't certain at all, but if that is going to happen, you don't want it to happen when trump is trying to make headlines out of hanoi. you want to release the report
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at a time when it will have maximum impact. and not divide that impact with a diplomatic initiative. >> which makes it sound like this is a lot about optic, and speaking of optics, president trump's national security adviser john bolton canceled plans to travel to south korea ahead of next week's summit. his spokesman says he decided to do so to focus on venezuela instead. do you buy that, christopher? >> i think he wants to focus on venezuela. but i don't buy that about south korea. it is pretty clear that bolton doesn't agree with trump. and is one of the ones who is most concerned that trump is going to look like a chump in dealing with kim jong-un. >> we will find out. christopher dicky, thank you so much for joining us live this morning. it has been a pleasure having you. 2020 democrats are already competing to make their mark in a jam-packed field. kasie hunt talks to kamala harris about how she plans to stand out. >> first, a quick programming note. we want to remind you that msnbc
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are 200% beneath the poverty line. now, she will pay for it by her proposed tamp on those with $50 million or more in wealth. this comes as she made this claim on twitter, and it's not the first time she's made this argument. >> when i was a kid, a minimum wage job would support a family of three. it would cover a mortgage. it would cover utilities. and it would still get basic food on the table. >> okay, so here is some perspective. when warren was around 12 years old back in 1961, the minimum wage was up to $1.15. so with that income, her family was just under the positive ty line. so speaking of warren, how do democratic candidates plan to stand out in a crowded 2020 presidential field? msnbc kasie hunt sat down with senator kamala harris about that and to also ask which policies
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could pull their party further to the left. here is a part of her sfwlu bernie sanders jumped into the presidential race today. you said you are not a democratic socialist. >> i am not. >> what's the difference between a democrat, and a democratic socialist in your mind? >> well, i can talk about who i am. i believe that we have got to have a system that recognizes that it has not been working for everyone equally. so i support capitalism. it in theory is something that requires competition, that will allow us to be better and evolve, but there are assumptions also that are wrong, that it applies equally to all people, that all people can compete equally, that's just not the case in america today. so i also say that we have to correct course. we have to recognize that the rules over the last many decades have been written in a way that have excluded working middle class families. and that's why i propose, for
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example, that we change the tax code in a way that those making less than $100,000 a year will get a tax credit to collect up to $500 a month because a majority of american families today cannot afford an unexpected $400 expense. we have to correct course. >> let me ask you about health care. you had said at one point that you thought it would be okay to eliminate private insurance. now i realize that you are on several bills that would not go that far. do you think eliminating private insurance would be a socialist idea? >> no, okay, so my, i strongly believe that we need to have medicare for all. and within that system -- >> do you think that is socialist or not? >> no, it is about providing health care to all people, it is about understanding that access to affordable health care should not be a privilege, it should be a right. it's been understanding that in a democracy, and the way we have constructed our democracy, we at least in concept have said that your access to public education,
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in power, politics, and paychecks, it's been more than a decade since the last recession, but there are growing worries of another one. and possibly soon.
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first, there's the new s&p global report raising the chances of a recession to between 20 and 25% this year. and that's up from 15 to 20% just three months ago. then, in the latest cnbc survey monkey survey, 53% of small business owners say they expect a recession in the next year. >> it defies category. a massive 7.3 inch infinity flex display that transforms the fold into a tablet. >> plus, samsung unveiling the first-ever foldable smartphone. but of course, that computer wizardry comes with a huge price tag for all of you hoping to get your hands on it any time soon. it hits the market in april for about two grand a pop. and a cash hog in philadelphia, the city council passing a bill requiring most merchants to accept cash. new york city and washington, d.c. are considering similar measures. more and more retailers are now
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accepting only credit card or debit card payments which critics say discriminates against the disadvantaged. now, to more money news, if your tax refund is smaller than anticipated, this year, or you're paying the irs the first time in a long time, you're not alone. nbc's tom costello has more on why this is happening. >> in portland, oregon, andy craft, and amy elias, are still recovering from a refund whiplash. >> i still just assumed he made a mistake. >> i assumed i did as well. >> a cpa confirmed their turbo tax results were no mistake. after averaging refunds of several hun dollars in years past, this year, they owe -- 10,000. what happened? amy got promoted last year. andy got a new job. they paid a lower tax rate. but they never adjusted their paycheck withholdings. >> it makes me sick to my stomach when i consider all of the other things that money could have gone towards. >> 90% of middle class americans had less tax money withheld from their pay checks in 2018. saving an average of $48 every two weeks. so the average refund is $186
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thoughts. >> i think it is a very sad thing. when a thing like that happens. and i've expressed that. but i'm actually getting a very complete briefing in about two hours. >> do you think you bear responsibility for moderating your language? >> no, i don't. i think my language is very nice. >> joining me this morning, democratic strategist kriv hahn, former communications director for blue dog democrats and kevin, cirilli, chief washington koesht for bloomberg news. let's start with you. prosecutors say the officer accused of plotting that terror attack wanted to murder ynt civilians on a scale rarely seen in this country, and two days later, the president called it a shame and a very sad thing and leaves it there. what's your reaction? >> it's shameful that he would wait two days to say something. can you imagine if this individual, this is domestic terrorism, can you imagine if this person had been central or
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south american, individual, or somebody who is muslim, he would be tweeting about it, he would be talking about it. it's just, it's unfortunate, it's sad that the president wouldn't say something and make a bigger deal of this, because it is domestic terrorism. it is something that, you know, we need to talk about and now debate in this country. >> kevin, what did you think of the two-day delay, and what did you think of the president's remarks when he did make them? >> look, i was at the white house yesterday, covering the u.s./china trade talks, and during those comments by president trump, where he was asked about a host of different other things inside of the oval office, i think this is a really good example, and the question really captured this, it really captured just the rhetoric in this country right now is so incredibly divisive, and the horrendous, horrific tragedy that occurred, senseless, really, is, you know, unfortunately just becoming all too more routine.
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now, the president for his part, tried to distance himself from this. but i think what you're noticing is that this is a president who does not speak in more of tradi presidential terms that we, as americans, are used to in times of the senseless tragedies. >> kevin, you call them traditional terms and you mentioned hallie's question. i want to turn to press secretary sarah sanders's remarks yesterday. here she is. >> i certainly don't think the president at any point has done anything but condemn violence against journalists or anyone else. >> okay. here is a clip from this past october that tells a different story. >> greg is smart. by the way, never wrestle him. you understand that? never. any guy that can do a body slam, he's my kind of guy.
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he's my guy. >> okay. we talk about violence. we heard him use words like stupid to describe people. can you see why some are concerned about the possible effects of president trump's rhetoric? kevin. >> i think there's no question many people are concerned with the impacts of political rhetoric right now. look, i covered the presidential campaign. virtually travelled with donald trump's every rally and his rhetorical approach, morgan, is something we covered as being incredibly d incredibly divisive. when you play that clip, i'm taken back to roger stone this week who was issued a gag order for placing a judge's picture with crosshairs on instagram. like it object alr lump it, thi
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the administration has chosen to communicate. when i say it is not traditional terms, i'm saying this president communicated differently, morgan, than president obama and president bush to put it mildly. >> you are right. it is a new territory with a new landscape. krist kristen, what do you find? >> i think it is not just not traditional, but dangerous. when a hostile foreign government is using fake news. it is dangerous. it is not something we should accept. i have friends that actually work for the trump campaign and have told me off the record that their job was to go into the crowd and get people riled up and start yelling lock her up. this is a tactic that is used by the president. he divides people and doesn't unite people. it sis a dangerous thing.
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>> chris, i want to turn to former chairman michael steele. >> why are we surprised he would not speak out against a self proclaimed white nationalist? why are we acting this is a space that donald trump is going in on behalf of the american ideal? he is not. these are his people. all right? he will not thank law enforcement because he is probably not happy about what law enforcement did. >> kevin, i want your thoughts on this. i think mr. steele is raising an interesting question with nationalists and putting another adjective before that. what is your reaction? >> as a reporter, i think that, you know, the former rnc chair is making clear his positions known on this. i think that, you know, racial intolerance of any kind should not be accepted. i think the larger 30,000 foot
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view here is that, you know, these are criticisms that have dogged this administration well back to the campaign as well as during his first years in office. obviously the administration as pushed back on that. >> kristen, i want to turn now to congress. we have a big week ahead had. the house vote for resolution that aims to block president trump's national emergency declarati declaration. "the new york times" has the look at the upcoming decision. critical principles are at stake. the congress's power of the purse, separation of powers that transcend any one declaration or leader. the president who fails to persuade congress cannot pursue them by fiat. do you feel that is how republicans is looking at the
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vote? does it come down to the constitution or the donald? >> that's an interesting way of looking at it. i think if you look back at republicans senator john cornyn said from my home state of texas, said it is a bad idea to declare an emergency. it is a decision the republicans members need to make whether it is constitutional for them or not. it is a vote that matters. it doesn't matter. it will not override the veto in the senate. >> i have to jump in here. >> i'm saying it is important because the members are going to be on the record. they will be on the record. they women haill have to vote o and talk about where they are one way or another. that's something that is important. >> kristen, we have to wrap up here. chris. >> republicans in the senate have been dreading to go on the
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record on this vote. i agree. >> kristen hawn and chris cirilli, thank you so much. an office visit getting a lot of attention on social media. what to make of senator dianne feinstein's talk with the kids about the new green deal. stay with us. you want to take a look at this. o . we're working together to do just that. bringing you more great tasting beverages with less sugar or no sugar at all. smaller portion sizes, clear calorie labels and reminders to think balance. because we know mom wants what's best. more beverage choices, smaller portions, less sugar. balanceus.org
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wraps up this hour of msnbc. i'm morgan radford. now it's time for "weekends with alex witt." >> it was great to wake up with you and have you start us off. have a great saturday. good morning to all of you from msnbc world headquarters in new york. it is 7:00 a.m. in the east. welcome to "weekends with alex witt." judgment day delay. mueller report not released. it may have something to do with the event half a world away. >> you know the nice part? no collusion. there was no obstruction. there was no anything. that's the nice part. >> the only people still hung up on it are democrats and the media. >> new scrutiny for the trump family business days ahead of his testimony on capitol hill, michael cohen talks to prosecutors. plus. folks i talk to who exist in the political world who feel frustrated by your lack of loyalty to the p o

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