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that wraps up for me this hour here on msnbc. i'm richard lui. follow me an facebook, instagram, and twitter. for now, i turn it to reverend al sharpton and operations. al sharpton and "politicsnation." good evening and welcome to "politicsnation." tonight's lede, high alert in washington ahead of key developments in the mueller investigation into possible collusion between russia and the trump presidential campaign. while the white house insists that no shoes will drop, trump associates face dark eng legal pitches as just hours ago the mueller investigation filed a redacting sentencing memo for paul manafort, recommending not a specific sentence, but a range of 17 to 22 years in federal
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prison for the president's former campaign chair. in the memo, no illusion in any kind of conspiracy with russia, but meanwhile president trump's former lawyer michael cohen will testify three times in as many days next week. both before house and congress over his own dealings with russians while working for the president leading up to his election. all this as we just learned cohen has been providing more information to federal prosecutors, pertinent to the southern district of new york's investigation of the trump organization. joining me now, noelle nikpour, secretary of labor under president obama, and elliott williams, former deputy
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assistant attorney general under president obama and former counsel to the senate judiciary committee. we should disclose that elliott has been lobbying for law works, an organization advocating the importance of the special counsel. elliott, let me go to you first. what does the redacted memo that has been released by the mueller investigators, what significance does it have if it doesn't state any direct connection, collusion between russians and the campaign? >> it's another instance of criminality by an individual by the president of the united states. again, when we talk about collusion, that's not a word used in the criminal code. what we should be talking about is is there a conspiracy to violate campaign finance laws or national security laws or something like that. one of the first lines in the
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sentencing memorandum, one of the things he's committed is lying to judges and federal investigators. they refer to this as crimes that strike to the heart of our criminal justice system, crimes that strike to the heart of the integrity of our justice system. these are serious crimes, and one of the reasons they're sentencing him like you said, reverend, for 17 to 24 years, is to deter other acts to know they can't lie to federal investigators and judges. it's serious conduct. back to this collusion point. we don't know yet whether a conspiracy -- they do have evidence of a conspiracy. the crumbs seem to be leading there, but, again, the mere fact that that conspiracy indictment hasn't come yet doesn't mean one's not coming. look at what's already been seen
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between the indictment of several gru connected actors to the conduct of roger stone and all these things that could be heading toward conspiracy. so we'll wait and see. >> chris, we're looking at the redacted memo. and as just stated, it does not mean that that is over with. we're dealing with the question of his agreement, whether he violated it and other things that he has pled guilty at this stage. but what does this do to a public's confidence in government when you have the chair of the president, the sitting president's campaign really in essence conceding, pleading guilty, and then now being accused by the prosecutors he made the deal with of lying to them after she was being incorporated for issues similar to that that he pled guilty to? >> let's put this in context.
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it's not just the chairman of his campaign. it's the deputy kparm of his campaign, his national security adviser. we know of 100 separate contacts between people in the trump universe and russian officials. it begs the question, why were there all these contacts, and when these people were contacted by investigators, why did they all lie about it? let me give you a little context. i ran barack obama's 2008 presidential transition. i didn't have foreign contacts. not only today's filing we've seen today but the mueller report when it comes out, we'll start to paint a picture of this possible collusion, possible obstruction of justice. but what i would caution people is not to expect a smoking gun. as we saw in the manafort filing today, there were big redactions because of uncharged individuals of ongoing investigations. we know that a bucket of these things have been moved to u.s. attorney's offices around the country. so i think we'll start to see
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more in the next couple of weeks on top of the thousands of pages of filings we've already had over the last couple of months. but really, this is going to continue on and on, and eventually it really becomes a public relations battle, a political battle. because when the mueller report finally comes out t white house will try to spin everything short of a smoking gun as vindication >> he mentioned right there where i wanted to ask you as a republican. >> right. >> anything short of a smoking gun, trump people as well as the president himself is going to scream vindication. >> absolutely. >> will republicans stand by him if, in fact, a lot comes out of the people around him, but if nothing direct to him with a smoking gun comes out in these investigations? where do the republicans break or do they go loyal all the way down the road?
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>> i think it depends on how smoking that gun is, so to speak. you know, this is a very slippery slope for a lot of republicans because you have two dynamics going on. you have the trump party, you have people that voted for trump, it's trump's base, and they will stand behind trump, reverend al, no matter what he does. and then you have the regular, the establishment gop that had to swallow the trump-style applications and the trump takeover of the gop. and those people i feel like if the smoking gun is that smoking, i think that that will ease some of these republicans to break away from donald trump. but if they do, my question is where do they go? there's no one really challenging donald trump in 2020. so the question is, where do they go if they're upset with what they find out in the report
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that's going to be coming out? >> the thing i think a lot of the nation will be watching is that michael cohen, the president's former attorney, is testifying three times in three days this week, one time publicly. is michael cohen something that may, in many ways, hurt the president as much or more than what the mueller investigators are coming with? >> let me put a fine point on it. michael cohen is the biggest threat to president trump that's out there right now, bigger than the mueller investigation. >> why? >> because he has information going back to all the uncharged conduct, conduct that the president hasn't been charged with, he hasn't been charged with, going back 20 or 30 years. for instance, when you look at the payments to stormy daniels and karen mcdougal, that came from a search of michael cohen's records of his e-mails and his files and so on. for an individual who had been the fixer and the lawyer and the
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con sillierry for the president going back 30 years, all of that is going to come out. he will have ties to the trump organization and the inaugural committee and just across all the president's businesses. so he can provide information going back. again, a lot of this, even if it's conduct that the president can't be charged with, it's certainly embarrassing to the president. that's part of it. the other thing is, look, these investigators in new york in the southern district, this prestigious prosecutor's office. they have the power to go after things mueller can't. remember, mueller is constrained to only investigate these questions of intrusion and collusion and conspiracy with respect to the campaign. he can look into the inaugural committee, he can look into the trump organization, he can look into the moscow deal and so on. and so when i say he, i mean the folks in new york, they. because of the breadth of their ability to investigate with the
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congressional testimony of cohen and cohen's cooperation in new york, he's an enormous threat to the president of the united states >> let's deal with the politics of that. can cohen say something this week that you had given us two sides to the republicans, one side being loyal to trump no matter what they're going to go with him no matter what he says, and the others that have had to swallow it but at some point may back up if there's a smoking gun. if michael cohen says something, because one of his testimonies is public. he's being called naming by the president and some of his allies, that was his lawyer, his man that was doing deals in the room. can he say something that will begin to shake the foundation of some of the gop establishment that have swallowed trump until
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now? >> that's interesting because michael cohen, unlike paul manafort, when he won, manafort, you didn't really see him around the rnc. you saw michael cohen around the rnc. you saw him with -- >> after the president won the election? >> yeah. people interacted with him. there were many dinners that the rnc would have meetings. everybody liked michael cohen. he was with steven wynn a lot with finance. so he interacted with donors and with people. and people really liked him, so they had a favorable impression of michael cohen. michael cohen, as much as he's on television, he episoappeared a bully, but he's really nice. when you met him around the rnc, you really liked him. so people developed relationships with him. so if comes out and says, look, i swear by this, this is what i did for trump, and he was a bad actor and whatnot, i think a lot
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of people are going to have a difficult time with that. manafort is more separated. he's like a foreign agent over here. but michael cohen really interacted with republicans and people really liked him, so it's going to be harder to swallow. >> you know, chris, full disclosure, i have known michael cohen and have had breakfast with him twice since auflsll ofs came up. he hasn't said anything to me, but he's an affable guy to most people that meet him. if he gets on that stand in front of the house oversight committee thursday and says things, will the public have a hard time? i asked noel about republicans, but will the republicans have a hard time discounting him, even if the president starts tweeting trying to discredit him, here's a guy that was right next to the president and in the room for a
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lot of these meetings >> that's one of the reasons why the president tried so hard to aggressively preempt this testimony. nobody knows more about donald trump's finances than michael cohen. when you look at the scope of what he's going to be testifying about, it's going to involve donald trump's business practices, the practices of his foundation, his compliance with tax laws. they're going to ask him about how donald trump's debt influenced the 2016 campaign. we know now from press accounts that he's talked to prosecutors about donald trump's insurance claims, and it raises this curious case from 2005 where donald trump collected a $17 million insurance claim damage that was supposedly caused to mar-a-lago. this is going to be fascinating tv on wednesday and it falls exactly at the same time when the president is in vietnam with kim jong-un.
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so it's going to be a lot of split screen watching on tv wednesday. >> let me go back to you quickly, elliott. if this witness, michael cohen, says at a public hearing televised on thursday things like insurance fraud. "the new york times" i believe broke that yesterday. and things like getting $17 million on mar-a-lago when there wasn't that much damage, these kinds of things, do they also expose the president to some kind of legal problem? maybe not with mueller, but at other levels because we know the manhattan d.a. is looking in new york, at manafort. does this open the door to other law enforcement prosecutors? >> absolutely for a number of reasons. congress itself is an investigative body. congress is investigate the charges and make a referral to a u.s. attorney's office or department of justice or whatever. everything that's said can be used as evidence. it's testimony, right?
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so the prosecutors in new york can get access to that information there. three, it's just out in the public and if the folks in new york aren't already investigating the things that cohen might talk about, which they are, but if they're not, they're going to hear about it there and they can start pursuing those leads as they wish >> all right. thank you noelle nikpour, elliott williams. congress is planning to vote on tuesday to begin the process to terminate president trump's emergency declaration. do they have enough votes? we'll be right back. ve enough v? we'll be right back. we put oury and vast expertise to work. ( ♪ ) the united states postal service makes more e-commerce deliveries to homes than anyone else in the country.
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in just three days, congress plans to vote on a resolution to begin the process to terminate president trump's emergency declaration on border security. joining me now is one of the original cosponsors of the bill, michigan democratic congressman dan kildee. congressman kildee, what is the rationale that the lay-voters around the country can understand as to why this resolution is going to forward to stop the president from something that many are saying he has the constitutional right to do? >> well, there's a couple of reasons. one, we don't believe that this
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situation constitutes an emergency the way the law contemplates an emergency being understood. and that's important. congress is expected to weigh in in these situations if they believe that the president is exceeding the bounds of the law. but i think it goes further than that, reverend. this is a violation of the constitution. there's a clear separation of powers. this is not the president using emergency authority. this is the president himself having a political emergency as the circle is tightening around him. the president is acting in an extraconstitutional fashion in order to get something that the legislative process already debated, already considered, that he shut the government down to try to achieve and we delivered a product to his desk, which he signed. and now he says, despite with the constitution says, now he says i actually have more power than congress, i have more power
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than the constitution grants me, i can do whatever i want. so we have to stop that. this is a constitutional question that ought to be settled. it ought not to have gotten to this point. the president is exceeding his power. >> now, let's go into what you just said because that's where i think some of us are really having trouble with the president's side of this, and that is that congress actually voted on the monies for the wall and came back with a bipartisan agreement that they voted on, and the president signed it. are we now saying that a sitting president can then use an emergency action to overrule with the legislative branch already voted on? this is not something where we're just trying to argue whether there's an emergency. the congress has addressed this. wouldn't his being able to proceed with this violate whether we have a balance of
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power between legislative, executive and judicial branches? >> that's really the question. it's a question that an 8th grade civics student would be able to to answer in the first semester of the their education. we have a separation of powers in this country. it has survived for two centuries and has kept us from having the concentrate of power in any one of the branches of government. and this president is going way past just being unconventional. he will violate the constitution. i find it interesting. we spent two months debating this. we had a give or take. there are some things, reverend, in that legislation that i didn't like, but i was willing to accept them because that's the way the process works. there's a compromise that we arrived upon. we provided the president $1.35 billion for additional
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border security, some of which i'm not sure we would have done had it not be a compromise. so the president accepted the result of that compromise, said i'll take that money, but what you did doesn't matter. i just have the power to spend money at will, willy-nilly, and that's not something the framers ever anticipated. most americans need to understand, this is a bigger question about the specific policy. this is a serious question as to whether or not we're going to let the president of the united states run rampant over the constitution of the united states. >> at some point we also need to deal with -- i know this resolution is on this specific emergency action. but at some point don't we need to really look at what we can say qualifies to be an emergency? because many are saying what he's talking about at the border, and i think you said it here, is not an emergency. the number of people coming
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across the border has actually gone down. you are a congressman in michigan. you represent, among other areas, flint, michigan. regarding emergencies, presidential candidate cory booker, for example, has said -- he's tweeted the water crisis in fingerprinted is not an anomaly, there are hundreds of jurisdictions across our country where our kids have higher elevated lead levels. so if we are ignoring high-lead levels in areas around the country, certainly ignored it in flint where you represent, why is that not some area that we're seeing emergency action? shouldn't we also after this resolution define what is an emergency and how the president
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and the congress should be responding to those kinds of emergencies if they reached a bar of where the congress decides to move forward on this? >> well, we may have to, reverend, because until now we've never seen a president use an emergency declaration to exceed their constitutional authority. president obama declared an emergency in flint, but also made it clear that he was limited in terms of what he was able to do with that emergency declaration. and so congress had to act, and we did. it took ten months, but we got help for the people of flint. president obama declared an emergency, but within that he knew there were constraints. he could only use the money that had been appropriated for specific purposes within the budget of the united states. this president believes that the emergency declaration gives him the authority to also appropriate money that was
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already appropriated for a completely different purpose. so it may be that we need to define what an emergency is, but in this case i'm not sure my definition we put in place. >> congressman kildee. >> thank you, reverend. coming up, rather than trying to tamp down hate, president trump elevates it. my memo to the president, next. i felt i couldn't be at my best wifor my family. c, in only 8 weeks with mavyret, i was cured and left those doubts behind. i faced reminders of my hep c every day. but in only 8 weeks with mavyret, i was cured. even hanging with friends i worried about my hep c.
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and now for my weekly memo to president trump, who i hope saw, as we did this week, that a white supremacist coast guard officer was planning an armed murder spree against several democratic politicians and journalists, including some of my colleagues here at msnbc. his internet browser history suggests he was at least synthet synthetic to you, mr. president. while the sheer depth of that plot was winning revealed in court this week, the southern poverty law center released its
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annual year in hate report for 2018. and it validated what we in the civil rights community, religious, minorities, and the fbi have been screaming since you took office, there are now more than 1,000 active hate groups in the united states, president trump, a 30% increase over the last four years that dove tails with our ascension, election, and administration thus far. it's a surge that could not just spring forth out of a vacuum. as most of these terror groups came into being under your watch, with a 7% increase from 2017 to 2018 alone. you know what else has increased in that time? the murder rate. in 2017 white supremacists killed 17 people in the u.s. and canada.
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that was considered an alarming jump just two years ago. well, last year that number jumped to an estimated 40 according to the splc. it's a jagged, bloody line that goes straight through the tragedy in charlottesville, to when an another unhinged sympathieser terrorized your critics with explosives. a racist shot elderly people dead at a kentucky grocery store, and a man brutal murdered worshippers in a pittsburgh synagogue, all of this in the space of a few weeks. i have to agree, the reports prediction says this climate is not apt to improve as long as you are there to be a spirit
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animal for white supremacists. but be warned, mr. president, there is no barrier against the future, and bigots you degenerate in your rallies will find this out, ems if your wall doesn't get buildt. even you might not think they are very fine people that day. we'll be right back. 'll be righ. ♪ 44, 45, 46... how many of these did they order? ooh, that's hot. ♪ you know, we could sell these. nah. ♪ we don't bake. ♪ opportunity. what we deliver by delivering. when heartburn hits, fight back fast with tums smoothies. it neutralizes stomach acid at the source. ♪tum tum tum tum smoothies.
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in a stunning development, a new election is being called in
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north carolina's 9th congressional constrict after the state board of elections voted unanimously for a do-over following an investigation into ballot tampering, and a dramatic ending when republican mark harris conceded his 900-vote victory was tainted. harris insists he didn't know what his political operatives were up to and still not said whether he will run again. the democrat in the race, dan mcgreedy says he's definitely running, already starting to raise money. it is the first time in the history of a new election is being called for federal office because of actual election fraud. joining me now, patrisse cullors, cofounder of black lives matter. patrice, one of the things that
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you dealt with during 2006 is you talked about policy was more important than politicians, among them, was voter fraud. here is a classic example of where now in north carolina they're saying you weren't just talking about and those of us that were talking about this, they ruled a new elections for the first time of a federal officer in this country. >> this is huge. this is actually a victory for so many groups, especially black communities that have been fighting against voter fraud for decades. we've seen it throughout the south, unfortunately. we've seen it throughout the country. elected officials being voted in, but only because of voter suppression of black votes in particular. >> let me ask you, do you at this point feel that this will give impetus to more legal challenges and confidence to people? because we saw what happened in georgia, in florida, and other things during the midterm
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elections. will this encourage people to come out, you can win? >> i think it's a precedent for groups that have been doing the grassroots organizing to not stop. i think about latocha brown of black voters matter who took black voters across the south. >> great job. >> amazing job. and challenging voter suppression and saying we are going to have our voices heard, we're going to make sure that all of you know that we did show up to vote and, in fact, they either dismissed us or they told us we couldn't vote or they threw out our right to vote. >> the last time you were on the show, you were campaigning for 21 savage. >> yes. >> and the rapper who was being held by i.c.e. he has since been released. give us an update on where that is and the overall meaning of that, because the issue still lingers? >> yes, the free 21 savage campaign, we got almost half a million signatures from people across the country. we brought those signatures to an i.c.e. detention center in atlanta. and on that very same day, he
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was released. he is home now with his family. but he may still be deported. so we're still campaigning for him and we're also campaigning for many other black undocumented immigrants who are sitting in i.c.e. detention. >> now, the 2020 election is already heating up. as many groups, including you, including those trying to find out where the candidates are, you probably know i had lunch this week with senator kamala harris. a lot of our conversation was on criminal justice, questioning her about things that she did or had to go along with in her term, an explanation to me as she was attorney general of california and district attorney of san francisco. but i think all of the candidates, because some of the progressives that are running voted for the crime bill in '94,
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that some of us marched on. you were too young. the o.g.s marched on that. what do you want to hear the candidates discuss, particularly in the racial inequity. >> one million black folks are in jail or prison right now. why would like to hear is how are they going to decarson rate our jails and prisons but what kind of investment are they going to make into black communities. so many black communities have been divested from. i grew up in a neighborhood that did not have parks or playgrounds. we need to hear from candidates who are going to talk to issues of racial injustice, and how the criminal justice system has been
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set up to literally push us into jails and prisons. >> one of the things i think is also important is defining progressives. a lot of progressives do not deal with the race issue and it's almost like william lloyd garrison's fight with frederick douglas. some of them feel like they can speak for blacks or browns better than we can speak for ourselves. >> absolutely. >> and select their own people. >> yes. and i think we have to intervene on this conversation, that it's either only about class or only about race. we have to have a more nuanced conversation around the impact race and class has on all folks, and that historically the democratic party have been the party that black people have voted for, and we need that party to show up in this moment courageously in ways we haven't seen before >> show up and stand up. >> yes. >> thank you, patrisse cullors. coming up, the fashion industry, is it doing enough to
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cannon have been calling for a boycott of high-end fashion labels for using offensive and racist images on their clothing. gucci recently took this sweater off store shelves after people on social media said is design resembled blackface. and burberry is the latest addition to the do not buy list for featuring this hoodie with a noose around the neck during a show at a london fashion week. burberry says it was inspired by, quote, marine theme. all these brands have since apologized for their offensively fashions and gucci went even further by launching new diversity and inclusion plan and pledging to hire more diverse.
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joining me is steven colb. steve, i wanted to talk to you because it's interesting. last summer i had a conversation with ana wintour talking about what was being done in the industry that we didn't know about that led toward more inclusion. she was telling me the sensitivity of making sure you intentionally bring people in that understand things, and, of course, she talked about what you do every day. in fact, your report insider outsider gives a report on that. tell us what has been the efforts in the industry by people like you to really deal with the question of inclusion, because obviously a lot of the fashion designer companies don't have people in the room that say this is offensive. >> absolutely, which is totally not acceptable.
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we managed to put that briefing together and released it in the beginning of the year after a meeting we had with 50 top people in the fashion industry. we really looked at the dynamics of "insider outsider." often we don't look outside our circle to see what would contribute to ideas. we have this unconscious bias we deal with every single day, so we're not clicked to include people that aren't like ourselves. so with that briefing we've done a lot. and that was done in partnership with pbh who owns calvin klein and tom hill figurer. m hill figr >> it has to start with us and we are holding the industry accountable, but we're also creating program and action steps so that there's movement in the industry so there is an inclusive and diverse industry.
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>> now, that is important because after the headlines fade away, if there's not institutional, real change working with someone in the community, this will just go away this will go away and people will say that issue we dealt with and it s gone. you're committed to real change. >> for sure, i think when you spoke to anna and you came to an event we had up there. >> and this is before the controversies, and if you recall the fashion fund is a program that supports young talent. and our winner this year was a young man named kirby who has a line, the "new york times" -- >> a fascinating story. >> yeah, he is incredible, probably the most talked about designer right now in new york, and maybe even globally.
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he has partnership with reebok. we didn't in vest in him because he was black, but because he was a tented. we ha-- talented. we have to put ourselves in groups and settings where there are people we can bring into the organization like kirby. the year before we had a young guy named telfar that grew up in queens, family from haiti, they're really driving the energy for fashion right now. >> and they're young african-americans that said they could not breakthrough if it was not for efforts from groups in your governing body insisting on this and going and supporting this, and i think these major designers need to catch up with or they will continue to feel the wrath of us that say this is unacceptable.
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>> yeah, and gucci had a meeting with dapper dan, and it was interesting to hear the different ideas and perspectives, next week, or in two weeks, we're having a show room, we met in our conference room, we're turning that into a show room and we're going to have a dozen or so african-american designers with racks of clothes and we're inviting designers and media to come in. they're working withtists and someone that has been in our industry a long time. there is a group called fashion for all. this is a group that connects inner city kids to fashion programming. i was able to help these kids sit in front of tommy hilfigure, here his story, they would not have access and we have to create access for communities so they have a seat at the table and a voice at the table.
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>> and that is important, none are asking for favors, or saying take bad stuff, these are very talented and gifted people that just need access so they can compete on an even playing field. and the meetings and things that we talked about predated it, there was a lot of demands, there was a gathering from my organization on friday from this, and i think it is important that we see real institutions tied to the community. it is about companies building businesses. with fashion fund, we're investing into those granbrands don't have any equity into them. kirby's mentor is machine from ca -- karen from the company that
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owns gu havcci we have a busine called launch pad. we have two young women with a bagline and we're helping finance them and their ideas so they can achieve success. >> thank you, steve, we're going sty on this and hopefully see real concrete change. thank you for having me on the show. >> up next, my final thoughts, stay with us. p next, my final t, stay with us ♪
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just two hours ago in ole miss, a confederate rally was held. i talked earlier in my memo to president trump about the increase in actual hate groups. so when we see people that are committing hate crimes on the increase, when we see gatherings that may not be hate crime gatherings, but salutiing and backing the confederates is all of the more reason we need the moral courage to say wrong is wrong and we need to condemn it. that is why i said about jussie smollett i support any effort to find the truth. some have charged him with a hoax. if that is proving he should
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face whatever accountability the courts daem. if it is not we need to know what happened and why. and why do so many people don't trust the chicago police department. maybe look at the lequon mcdonald case. look at a department that kept the video of him being shot, six shots in the back, and they hid it until after the mayor's related. and the related case of r kelly. bad behavior should not have the available of our civil rights community or community as a whole trying to make excuses. we want it, and if people are wrong we want it to be treated as wrong and not use efforts to stop this rising hate for anything that is incorrect. i learned one thing over 30
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years you can't even help indirectly undoe it if you're going to stand up for what is right. the moral courage of our cause is what has been our most effective weapon. thank you, that does it for me. i'll see you back here at 5:00 p.m. eastern for a new edition of politics nation. up next, "deadline white house" with my friend nicolle wallace. hi, everyone, it is 4:00 in washington dc where today robert muellers prosecutors are expected to lay out the most detailed kripgs yconspiracy yet paul manafort engaged in. the scope of his crimes, defrauding the government,

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