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coverage of cohen's testimony when it's public tomorrow east coast time. how does that factor into where he is and his mindset going into these talks? i'm curious to see that dinner, basically tomorrow night our time, a little bit longer your time, given the time change and how that goes given that so few people will be in the room. kristen welker, i want to thank you for holding it down in washington. much appreciated for all you guys. that wraps us up for this hour here in hanoi. we'll see you back here tomorrow and the rest of the week. craig melvin picks it up back in new york. >> good to see you. get a good nights sleep. criminal conduct? president trump's former attorney and fixer, michael cohen testifying behind closed doors right now on capitol hill. a source telling nbc news that he will tell congress that the president broke the law while in office. the white house firing back. that high stakes summit.
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president trump arriving in vietnam for his highly anticipated second face to face meeting with north korea's leader. what does success look like for this president? illegal contact? the owner of the new england patriots formally charged with soliciting a prostitute twice. the question now, what, if anything, will the nfl do? we start with michael cohen, whose three days of testimony may control the destiny of a president half a world away. just over a year ago, it was michael cohen who said he would take a bullet for president trump. today, at this very moment, though, cohen behind closed doors spilling secrets. cohen's testimony before that senate intelligence committee coming a day before his only public appearance tomorrow before the house oversight committee, which democrats control. that testimony promises to be as riveting as any we've seen thus
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far in the trump administration. a knowledgeable source telling nbc news to expect cohen to give eyewitness accounts of trump's past, including anecdotes of lying and racism. he's also expected to give evidence of criminal conduct since trump became president. for more than a decade it was michael cohen who was trump's inside man. handling hush money payoffs to two women prior to election day. trump trusted cohen enough to handle naeegotiations over trum tower moscow. we start with our reporters. kenny d, we'll start with you. what are we expecting to hear from michael cohen tomorrow? what is this criminal conduct he may be talking about? >> reporter: yesterday i told you the hearing promises to be
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riveting. today we're learning a little bit about. a source familiar with cohen's testimony is telling us he'll spill out criminal conduct by president trump while in office. he's leaving the details of that for the big reveal. not telling us exactly what that is. one thing that's clear, the source is saying cohen will bring documents. he's not just going to ask the public to take his word for it. after all, he's an admitted liar and republicans will spend a lot of time pointing that out. the source says that cohen will discuss lies, racism, and cheating by donald trump. and on the racism front, let's not forget that cohen told "vanity fair" last fall that trump during the 2016 campaign said that black people were too stupid to vote for me. i'm not sure whether trump's denied that, i imagine he will. the white house has issued a statement accusing cohen of being a liar. it's laughable that anyone would take him seriously. they're impugning richard burr who is taking michael cohen very
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seriously as are federal prosecutors in manhattan who cohen is cooperating with and rorb repo robert mueller's office. >> sarah huckabee sanders saying in part, michael cohen going to prison for lying to congress and making other false statements. sadly he'll go before congress this week and we can expect more of the same. it's laughable that anyone would take a convicted liar like cohen at his word. pathetic to see him giving yet another opportunity to spread his lies. michael cohen, safe to say, is going to have a bit of a credibility problem on the hill there in public tomorrow. i would imagine behind closed doors right now as well. >> reporter: that's right. i think you can look at that statement from sarah sanders as a cue card for republicans in how they'll treat cohen tomorrow in that oversight committee. i imagine the congressional
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republicans will use all their time to undercut cohen's testimon testimony, to remind the public he'll be going to jail. in private it's a little bit different. in this particular hearing happening today, they are going back over his previous statements to figure out what he lied about and why. he had upset richard burr, who had been running this committee. you could see the frustration this morning, take a listen. >> truth. s >> are you sure you can trust mr. cohen? >> has a track record of questionably doing that. >> reporter: you hear richard burr saying cohen's credibility is questionable at best. he'll spend many as much as ten hours with the committee talking
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about mainly the russian portion of this investigation. don't forget after that public hearing tomorrow, he'll have the house intel committee batting cleanup. they'll get cohen behind closed doors on thursday to tie up any loose ends after what comes out on wednesday, which should be an explosive hearing. >> all right. thank you. cynthia oxney, greg broward, he's a former u.s. attorney. a a big thanks to all of you. for michael cohen, the biggest risk tomorrow that he poses to president trump? >> it's the fact that he is someone who's a long time personal acquaintance of the president. he knows the president in and out. he has financial records of the president. he understands the dealings of
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the trump orbit. there's an idea he could be talking about the catch and release policies of the national enquirer. michael cohen is going to be reporting to jail for a crime that he says he did with the president. there's an idea that he could talk about those personal conversations he's had with the president. the idea that he has these -- harbors these what michael cohen says are racist ideals toward people. i think critically, the idea that he could be committing crimes while in office, there's the idea that people close to michael cohen are saying he's going to be revealing that the president while sitting in office is breaking the law. i think the president is going to be watching particularly for that conversation. >> cynthia, let's talk about this, this criminal conduct that cohen may reveal. it likely has to do with the hush money payments that cohen says he coordinated with the
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president. this is what manhattan federal prosecutors said about that in particular back in december. quote, as cohen himself has now admitted with respect to both payments he acted in coordination with and at the direction of individual one, who is believed to be donald trump. he's indicating he's got the receipts to prove it. what would that look like? >> it may look like the documentation from the trump organization. remember, also in that indictment, there is a listing of executive one and executive two. he's probably going to reveal who those people are. and that's a very important thing. the other thing that's interesting about this leak that he's going to talk about, the president committing illegal acts while president. remember stormy daniels spoke to 60 minutes in march of '18. he had dinner with the president the night before in mar-a-lago reportedly and he was at
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mar-a-lago one other time with the president in march. he may be talking about that. he'll have to have kwa corroboration. the white house is right about that. he did lie to congress. everything he says must have some form of corroboration, either in a paper, e-mail or a tape or an i saw this person go into this room at this time. i was in the room when this conversation happened. something like that. >> greg, let me play what both may have previously said about these hush money payments. >> sir, did you direct michael cohen to commit any violations of law? >> no. no. >> he directed me to make the payments. he directed me to become involved in these matters. >> who wins the battle of whom do you trust, greg? >> well, that's the question of the day. the problem michael cohen has of course, as has been alluded to earlier, he is a convicted
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felon. he's admitted to having lied about various things in the past. his goal needs to be to restore his credibility with these congressional committees and with the american public. is to be able to say i lied about those things but i'm now telling the absolute truth. this is not an unusual scenario. we oftentimes deal with cooperating witnesses who have checkered pasts who have toed a mitt to haviadmit about lying i. cohen's going to have to do that with congress. as i said with the american people if he's going to be believed. >> here's the thing, though. the reality is no matter what we hear from michael cohen tomorrow, if the past is any sort of predictor of the future, there's not a real chance that any sort of major revelation is
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going to have a substantive effect on this president politically. >> i think that that's a way to look at it. there's this idea that whatever michael cohen says has been out there if the sphe there in the sphere, that donald trump has behavior problematic that's professionally and politically and possibly financially. there's the idea that the president's base likely will not be moved. for the president himself to see his personal lawyer, someone he knew for more than a decade go out in public and talk about very personal dealings that he had, i think is going to be something that's going to shake the president and make him worry for looking down the line. this is someone who said they would take a bullet for the president, who said they were going to be loyal to the president. look, if the president is not going to be loyal to me, i'm going to spill the beans. the white house is saying michael cohen is a liar. they're saying he didn't have that many dealings in the
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president. michael cohen was in the inner circle. this could be a foreshadowing of what the president doesn't want to see in the future. michael cohen is an example of someone from the trump orbit turning around and giving the goods on the president and the president doesn't want to see other people do that. >> what if anything are we likely to learn about the non-russia investigation? there's the inaugural committee, payments from foreign governments, the trump foundation. how much are we likely to learn from cohen with regards to that? those things. >> i think we're going to have a mountain of information. he's testifying for ten hours today, he can certainly do that tomorrow and thursday. we should know a lot more about the trump organization, the ami payments and what they set up. we should know about the payments to stormy daniels and particularly his testimony to this senate committee when he lied. he said that he circulated that
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before he testified. who did he circulate it to? did he have conversation with the president about changing his story either before hie testifid or regarding the stormy daniels testimony. there's going to be so much we're going to be diving into it to try to figure out what's relevant and what isn't. >> we heard a few of the questions that cynthia might ask if she were on that committee tomorrow. what would you ask michael cohen? >> i think fundamentally, there are two lines of questions that the committee should focus on at a minimum. one is to get an understanding from cohen about why he's lied in the past and why they should believe he's telling the truth now. that is important to establish his credibility. and secondly, and more substantively, it's the intent question. he's likely to face questions about the president's intent with respect to what he's talking about in terms of
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potentially illegal activity. it's one thing for the president to had apparently done certain things or said certain things according to cohen. but in order to establish potential criminal liability, cohen needs to be able to convince the committee and the public that the president actually had a criminal intent when he did certain things. >> greg, thank you. cynthia, thank you. always good to have you, thank you all. high stakes summit. what is president trump willing to do to get north korea to really denuclearize this time . cracks in the wall, it's about a lot more than just the president's border wall. stranded. nearly 200 people stuck on an amtrak train in oregon since sunday night. we'll hear from one of them. we'll hear from one of them. i knew about the tremors.
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president trump arrived in hanoi, vietnam, this morning where he'll be meet ing with north korean leader kim jong-un for what will make the second summit between the two. kim got his own red carpet treatment as he arrived in hanoi late last night after a 65 hour train ride in a bulletproof train. joining me now, kelly o'donnell on the ground in hanoi. kelly, what's happening right
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now? >> reporter: well, as president trump is getting some rest time, i can tell you that here in hanoi, this city is really excited about its roll to play in trying to bring about a next stage of progress in the denuclearization talks. we see the flags of the united states, vietnam, and north korea displayed on poles, light poles and signs all across the city. lots of sort of welcoming signage. so vietnam is excited about the way it can showcase its own city and its own history. because, of course, vietnam and the united states had a very adversarial relationship two generations ago but now have a good relationship. that's in some ways a metaphor for what the united states hopes it can create with north korea. decades of tension between the u.s. and north korea, the brutal regime. is there way to imagine
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something that would have been unthinkable today, just as it was with the vietnam era. that's the backdrop and something that's active right now. and the host city and host country will be the first part of president trump's visit here as well. he'll do the formal meetings with the president and prime minister of vietnam before he meets with chairman kim again. they'll have a dinner and then the real heart of the discussions, which will happen over the course of the following day. and there will be intense debate, of course, about something that has in many ways been the stubborn heart of these negotiations. how to define denuclearization of the korean peninsula. what would that look like as the united states would like to see it, which would mean no north korean weapons and weapons systems in the nuclear area. north korea has its own definition of not wanting the nuclear umbrella the united
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states provides for south korea and japan in this part of the world. getting to a definition the two countries can agree to is one of the stumbling blocks. you'd think that would have been resolved the first time president trump and chairman kim met in singapore. that didn't happen. vietnam is a second opportunity to build on the relationship and see if any tangible progress can be made. president trump often says there aren't rockets going off, the hostility in terms of the verbal back and forth has certainly died down. there's a friendfriendlier tone >> success in hanoi for this president, what does that look like? >> i don't know if you saw the oscars, craig, remember the duet between lady gaga and bradley cooper? we have a president and president kim, chairman kim, who are just drawing close together. president trump says they're in
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love. let's start with the personal atmospherics. i hope it continues. i hope there continues to be an amicable relationship between these two extremely mercurial leaders. here's what we need, we need an inventory of north korean nuclear weapons. and the sooner that kim shows us that, the sooner we can begin to think he's serious about eventually getting rid of his weapons. what's interesting is the president seems to have fallen off the previous rhetoric of immediate complete verifiable denuclearization. now, he's got, quote, all the time in the world. that's okay. let's be patient. let's recognize that kim giving up those nuclear weapons immediately is about the same chance as the mexicans paying for the wall. it's going to take time to get us there. this summit could lay out a track and get it in the hands of professional diplomats,
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military, intelligence officers. we could then start to talk about lifting sanctions. we've got a long way to go. let's see something tangible. i'm looking for an inventory from the north koreans to start. we could maybe do a little bit of sanction relief following that. that would be a start. >> one of the compromises that has been floated is the idea that the president might officially declare an end to the korean war. i asked secretary of state mike pum p pompeo last week, he didn't rule it out. how significant would that be? >> let's think of successions the u.s. could do. the worst thing we could do is withdraw all our troops from the korean peninsula. we could stop our exercises. i don't think we should do any of that. i think it's worth considering declaring an end to the war in
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north korea. it's a plausible step. it's kind of -- is the fact base we're working from. i don't think we should rule that out. i would not want to go much further in that until we saw something tangible from the north koreans, which we have not thus far. >> admiral, thank you and thank you, also, so much for that wonderful analogy there at the beginning. you did not say which one the president would be, would president trump be bradley cooper or lady gaga? >> i'll let you make that decision. let's hope there's not a piano in the room when the summit unfolds. >> thank you, sir. the house set to reverse the president's national emergency delati declaration over the border wall. declaration over the border wall
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more beverage choices, smaller portions, less sugar. balanceus.org the battle between the white house and congress far from over, and president trump could be on the losing end. the white house is likely going to vote later today to overturn president trump's declaration of a national emergency to fund the border wall. there's mounting republican
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opposition. three republican senators so far have indicated they'll be voting against the president. they're on your screen right there. if a fourth republican defects, it could force a presidential veto. kasie hunt is on the hill for us this morning. walk us through what's going to happen today in the house. and is there a fourth republican who is lined up to defect? >> reporter: there's a couple people that we're watching. i will start with what we're going to see here in the house. that's going to play out first. nancy pelosi is going to put this resolution on the floor. we'll see procedural votes. we expect it to pass in the house, obviously. what we're looking for is the number of republican defections. republican leaders have been pushing their members to stick with the president on this. saying he has the legal authority. that is, of course, at odds with what a lot of republican senators have been saying for the last few months as this crisis has unfolded. so we are watching to see if there is that fourth senator.
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there are still a couple people, or at least one i can identify that's cory gardner of colorado who is facing a tough reelection who still has not told us which way to our knowledge he's going to vote on this resolution. but republican leaders in the senate are urging their colleagues to stick with the president. mitch mcconnell essentially promised the president he'd try to help him declare this national emergency if he was willing to sign off and avoid a government shutdown. there's a lot of uneasiness. here's what john cornen, he captured the dilemma they're facing rather well, take a look. >> congress has overdelegated authority to the executive branch too much for many years now. and so this isn't really about a
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constitutional crisis, this is about whether congress has voluntarily relinquished authority to the president to reprogram money under certain circumstances. and so that's a conversation worth having. but i intend to vote against the resolution of disapproval. >> reporter: so there you have him saying he's going to vote with the president, but acknowledging they really have given a lot of authority to the president. the fact is, that this use of the national emergency authority is much broader than what we've seen before. that's why we expect such an intense court battle. that's why democrats and, you know, previously some republicans warning, what's going to happen if there's a democrat in the oval office and they want to declare gun violence or climate change to be a national emergency? that could bring some of these republicans supporting president trump right now back to haunt them. >> precedent. precedent. a major concern. kasie hunt on the hill for us, thank you. i want to bring back a
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research fellow at harvard business school. he's also the author of indispensab indispensable. when leaders really matter. they've got to be concerned about losing a fourth gop senator. what are you hearing from your sources there at the white house? what would a defeat mean for the president's clout within his own party? >> well, the white house is really trying to tell republicans to hold strong. their idea with this national emergency was that they were going to have the backing of republican senators and republicans across congress. so the idea is that they are really making the calls and lobbying congress and trying to mo make sure no one else defects. if there's one more republican senator, basically the ball is going to be in congress' court. i should say when this was first announced, minutes before the president made the speech in the rose garden, mick mulvaney was on the phone with reporters
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saying this isn't going to set a precedent precedent. we think if this goes to the supreme court we could win. that's the white house targumen house is making, we think we're completely grounded in this and you should stick with us because of that. if it ends up being the republicans rebuke the president and say you can't use this, it's going to be a big blow to this president. it's one thing to think that the president has to deal with divided government and getting used to nancy pelosi and the democrats in the house. when you start having republicans saying this is a step too far, the president is looking and saying, what else are they going to be able to rebuke me on? will i be able to get other things passed. i should quickly note, this national emergency is at the crux of this president's presidency. president trump at the heart of his campaign and his message is that this country is under attack, and that this country really is -- is really at war in some ways with immigrants coming
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across the southern border. this is republicans saying that's just not true, we don't buy that, that's a big blow to his presidency. >> what if republicans hide behind this idea that, no, this isn't a rebuke of that idea, this is a rebuke of executive overreach. this is the legislative branch finally being concerned about overreach by the executive branch? >> i think that if the republicans choose any excuse whatsoever to stand on principle, we should be grateful and be glad that used that one. in this situation, the emergency powers of the president are vast and there really is no precedent. whatever mick mulvaney says about the president using these powers. so to allow the president to do this is a step that just has no modern precedent. arguing otherwise is simply false. it's genuinely frightening given
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what the president can do with emergency powers. if the republicans want to see it's not just about trump, good, that's great. anything is a good idea in order to get them to stand up now. >> a senator from north carolina wrote in a op-ed that conservatives cried foul when president obama took executive action. some prominent republicans went so far as to proclaim that obama was acting more like an emperor or king than a president. there's no intellectual honesty in turning around and imagining that it's acceptable for my party but not for their party. intellectual honesty, is that an argument than likely to resonate among lawmakers in these times? >> i fear not. if it did with senator tillis,
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that's wonderful. the president trademarked compbinaticom and i think he's saying enough is enough. the president took a massive powerful rebuke in the 2018 elections. and now instead of taking that as a signal to tack and change course and think about moving to the middle, he's actually acting in ways that would greatly increase his powers and greatly increase the dangers of his presidency. if intellectual honesty is the thing that causes him to stand up to president trump. that's great. i doubt it will be a powerful argument for other republican senators. what might be is the opinion polling, that says that president trump is not very popular and staying with him is not going to help them get reelected in other states. >> senator kamala harris, running for president, senator
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from california, she just did an interview with the root. she was asked a question that a number of candidates have been asked so far. and the question was simple, is president trump a racist? i want to play her response for our viewers in sirius satellite radio listeners, take a listen. >> is president trump a racist? >> well, look. when you talk about his statement on that. when you talk about him calling african countries s-hole countries. when you talk about him referring to immigrants as rapists and murders, i don't think you can reach any other conclusion. >> you definitely believe he's a racist? >> i do, yes. yes. >> we should point out that the clip was actually put out by senator harris' press secretary. at least that's my understanding. president trump overseas right now. he is in vietnam. is senator harris calling him a racist, is that appropriate?
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>> as a reporter, i'm not sure if it's for me to say if it's appropriate. what i can say is that senator harris is not only reflecting the views of many democratic presidential candidates. i think she's refrektiexpressin view of so many -- especially people on the left -- who see this president who is someone who is detrimental, making the argument that brown immigrants in the southern border are a threat to america's future. so that's, of course, that's one side of the argument. i just sat down with an african-american conservative just this morning who said they're going to be supporting the president in 2020. that person told me even though i have issues with the president's stance and his rhetoric, i don't think at heart he's a racist because that person sees him as really being someone who is not good at talking about race, but who is
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attracted to the idea of having someone like ben carson in their cabinet as someone who is a professional, highly acclaimed african-american. as someone who has interviewed donald trump's ex-girlfriend who is an african-american woman, she said the president has had racially problematic, i should say thoughts. thinking about the idea that african-americans -- he was surprised when african-americans went to go see serena williams because he didn't expect black people to like tennis. there are things like that that some people look at and say are racist. when we're looking at 2020, that's going to be a question that almost every candidate is going to have to answer. the base of the democratic party likely will want them to answer the way that senator harris answered. >> thank you so much for that. thank you as well, appreciate you. we turn now to oregon, where we just got confirmation an amtrak train that had been
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stranded since sunday night has started moving towards eugene, o oregon. 200 passengers have been stuck on the train for two days now. the train hit a tree that had fallen on a tracks during a winter storm there. no one was hurt. the passengers do say they were scared and quite disappointed in amtrak. i talked to one of those passengers a short time ago during the third hour of today. >> last night we were very close to -- i don't want to use the word riotous conditions on board, but it was scary. i understand. because the people that are in coach have not had showers, they've not had anyplace to lay down. there's been no communication from amtrak, so people are scared. >> the closest to the president believe they are in the clear when it comes to the special counsel's investigation. robert mueller, far from the only threat.
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we are learning new details this morning about the charges against robert kraft, the billionaire owner of the nenw england patriots who is accused of solicitation. he was charged with two first
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degree misdemeanor. the patriots' owner has denied in engaging in any illegal activity. a big question is how the nfl is going to handle the situation volvi involving the owner of its most successful franchise. let's start with mr. kraft. prospect he might face some jail time? >> anytime you're explaining charges to a client or a defendant, you have to tell them the possible maximum sentence, which here is a year in jail. but the reality is he's not likely to serve anywhere close to that and is a candidate for straight probation or no jail time at all. and that's because he's somebody without a prior criminal record. he's somebody who is not likely to have aggravating circumstances when it comes to sentencing. as egregious as this crime may be, the criminal justice system, he just doesn't have prior criminal history points, the kind of thing that would warrant
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an actual jail sentence. >> the nfl addressing the charges in a statement on monday. said in part, quote, our personal conduct policy applies equally to everyone in the nfl. we will handle this allegation in the same way we would handle any issue under the policy. what could the nfl do if kraft is convicted? or if he pleads. >> everything is contained in the contractual agreement between kraft and the nfl. the nfl is a serious of franchises that are ruled by the nfl itself. everything that controls the conduct between the parties is contained in those franchise agreements. so could he be subjected to nfl discipline? absolutely. it could be suspension from a number of games. we know that roger goodell and kraft have a strained relationship at times. that could be a factor as well. but if the nfl decides to take
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action against robert kraft, it's not the kind of thing robert kraft is entitled to due process the way he would be in the courts. everything is guided by the agreement between those parties. >> the league has come under some pretty intense criticism when it comes to how it's handled charges against players in the past. whether those charges are related to criminal or domestic violence, substance abuse. a lot of folks wanting to see if the league is going to treat robert kraft in the same way as the league has treated some of its players. >> the league has been under scrutiny, not just for how it disciplines its players, but sometimes coaches and even owners as it has in the past. increasingly, the league is taking the blame when its players and other people involved with the nfl appear to be running amuck. with that in mind, the nfl may take very harsh measures against robert kraft, even though in the grand pantheon of potential criminal charges, as it stands
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right now, these are just misdemeanor charges and he's not likely to do any jail time. >> thanks for helping us break that down. rod rosenstein's suggestion, that transparency isn't always the best policy when it comes to the justice department investigations. how democrats are firing back. investigations how democrats are firing back. welcome to the place where people go to learn about their medicare options... before they're on medicare. come on in. you're turning 65 soon? yep. and you're retiring at 67? that's the plan!
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the public will actually see when that mueller report is delivered to the justice department. >> just because the government collects information, it doesn't mean the information is accurate. it can be misleading if you're overly transparent about the information the government collects. so i think we need to be cautious about that. when we charge someone, we need to be certain beyond a reasonable doubt. during my tenure on the front lines of law enforcement, if we aren't prepared to prove our case in a court than we have no basis for making allegations against american citizens. >> darren samuelson joins me now. did we just hear rod rosenstein essentially set the stage for the justice department to keep that report from the public? >> not to keep the report from the public but to temper expectations on what is going to be in the report. for the last two plus years
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we've been waiting anxiously into whether donald trump and his campaign colluded with the russians to win the election. the regulations underlying robert mueller's appointment don't spell out a ken starr style detail oriented report. this is going to be a specific piece of information that will spell out who has been prosecuted and who is not prosecuted. that's a confidential document that robert mueller will give to bill barr. from there bill barr has said he's going to sanitize it, wean it down and really just give us a summary. clearly what rod rosenstein was talking about was the stuff about people who have not been prosecuted, we're not going to get to see that. it will be the james comey test in 2016, where james comey was highly criticized for giving that long press conference
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talking about the charges that could have been brought against hillary clinton but weren't. >> it detailed some impeachable offences, and it sounds like that won't be made public in this report. is. >> ken starr was operating under a different set of rules and laws that actually required him if he found impeachable offences to give that information to congress. if donald trump is found committing crimes, it's going to be a big question how house determin democrats who have talked about impeachment, how they're actually going to get that information is a huge question, especially if robert mueller decides, as the justice department protocol says, you can't indict a sitting president, we're kind of in a catch-22 situation here where who knows how that information is ever going to get out to the public. the house democrats have already told robert mueller and the justice department we want that information, they're threatening to subpoena it. that's going to be a huge battle to come.
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>> you're reporting today that in trump's inner circle, trump's inner circle is not the end game. what about the president's closest associates and children? >> they've been living under a shadow for two years. if they're not charged, they may never have their names cleared, at least publicly, in the course that justice department investigation. there's clearly other investigations going on. the southern district of new york is investigating trump he's campaign and businesses. for trump's children, who have been a key part of that, that is certainly an alarm. there's state and local prosecutions happening in manhattan and new york. that's another line. congressional investigators are all manner of the trump businesses, we'll have michael cohen testifying tomorrow in the house oversight committee, that's something donald trump,
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that will do it, that's all. that wraps up this hour of "msnbc live." i'll see you tomorrow morning on "today." "andrea mitchell reports" starts right now. >> thank you. and right now on "andrea mitchell reports," the pen pal summit. after months of trading, quote, beautiful letters, donald trump and kim jong-un are just hours away from their second meeting.
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but does the president risk giving away too much? >> we see eye to eye, i believe. but you'll be seeing it more and more over the next couple of days. i don't want to rush anybody. i just don't want testing. as long as there's no testing, we're happy. >> coming up, more on that summit with senator tim kaine. correcting the record. the man who famously said he would take a bullet for donald trump begins three days on the witness stand before congressional committees, explaining why he lied to them before and why he now says he's telling the truth about donald trump. >> he sure has a track record of questionable -- and state of emergency. hours from now, the house is expected to vote against the president's national emergency declaration. but will republicans break ranks when it gets to the senate? >> it sets a very dangerous precedent. we don't know what mr. trump might decide

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