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leaders and dictators around the world, and we should not let that go. and i listen renned to this and thought of that song money makes the world go round. china and tariffes. money, money, money. >> we were expecting the president and the leader of north korea to sit down and sign a statement of intent, that was on the president's schedule today, that did not happen, at the last minute a luncheon was cancelled between the two leaders and the signing statement cancelled as well. and the news conference that you saw, moved forward two hours. president trump addressing reporters in the j.w. marriott hotel in hanoi, taking questions from mostly nonamerican media outlets. indicating that he walked away from the table because of sanctions. that indicated the talks did not
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go well. he said that it was a "very productive time," you see secretary of state mike pompeo, who was along side the president during the course of the news conference. indicating there's something of a path forward here. eluding to the weeks ahead in the comments that he gave as we were just discussing a moment ago. the president declined to say if there would be a third summit. the first taking place in singapore and the second here in th -- here in hanoi, he said that he spoke with the north korean leader about testing. this is something that we heard a lot about at the start of the summit. if you think of the president moving the goal post a bit here. he has been satisfied to say the least that it's something that we have seen here over the last month months. that nuclear testing of missiles has ceased. let's see what he had to say about that issue in particular. >> one of the things that
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chairman kim promised me last night, regardless he is not going to do testing of rockets and nuclear, not going to do testing. so, you know, i trust him, and i take him at his word. i hope that's true. >> taking him at his word. taking the north korean leader at his word. we have a national security analyst. she has toured one of the facilities. asking pointed questions about accountability, about what the u.s. government was weighing, agreeing to. let's talk about the one nuclear facility in particular. the one in north korea. i know you have seen it, evelyn, yourself. it was a huge sticking point going in to the negotiations, what did you make of what the president had to say about it? >> hi, david, so, basically, it's interesting, i had think the positive thing is if we can keep deterents and economic pressure, maybe we will get to
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an agreement. it was cockemayme that we had the president negotiating this and we had it happen at that level. i understand why for them moth balling the facility because we have been there before. as you said, i have been there before. in 2008 when the bush administration negotiated an agreement, they were in the process of negotiating a final agreement with north korea, never the less, they were taking steps and as others talked about, sequencing is important and we lifted sanctions on south korea. the bush administration did at the time of. and perhaps it was premature, because they started moth balling the facility, and than, when they got what they wanted, which was lifting of the sanctions and taking them off of the terrorism list, which the state department had them on before the agreement with the bush administration. essentially they then walked away from the negotiating table. all of it was reversed. everything that i saw, the things packed up. the cooling tower that was exploded shortly i left.
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the steps that were taken to show the international community that they were going to close it down and not reprocess plutonium, that was reversed. so, i think that the president and his team made the right decisions essentially, we are not going to lift sanctions on some step that you already took under the bush administration and then reversed. the problem is, again, as i said, this craziness of doing it at the presidential level, that should have been done in a far lower willful. and -- >> victor joins us in new york. evelyn, making light of a diplomatic term of art group cocamayme, but diplomacy was the term of art. the president said there's people with different definitions of it. he is sure of it in his estimatation. get rid of the nukes. talk about it as a stumbling block. wrp ta -- we were talking about it, this was not something that was
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agreed upon with the north koreans and the united states. what do you make of the simple definition that the president used today? >> it was the right definition. i mean, what we are talking about, what the north koreans put on offer was -- we identified other sites where there's no activity and that meant they were not using them anymore. so they probably put that up. and clearly, pompeo and trump wanted much more. you know, the facility is really, particularly the pluotnium reactor is not used anymore. and there's the missile bases and the launchers of the warheads. that's the core of the program. and my guess is that the north koreans wanted the sanctions relief and the u.s. side was like, if you want sanctions relief, you have to give us more. and i think they both walked. i don't think it was a question of one or the other. i think they both walked. as evelyn said, it's a total
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failure, no other way to put it. it's a total failure, and it should not have happened, right, because the work should have been done in advance . you don't send leer e-- you dot send leaders in like this. it's not clear where we go from here. >> you wrote a piece on human rights. we were talking about a remarkable exchange between david nakimura, and president trump about otto warmbier, who died after being sent back to the united states. the president committed to them that he was going to hold them in his heart and mind as he dealt with the north korea issue. he said something extraordinary here. let's take a listen of what he had to say about otto warmbier in response to the question. >> we spent pretty much all day with kim jong-un who is, he is quite a guy and quite a character. and i think our relationship is
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very strong. but, at this time, we had options and at this time, we decided to not do any of the options. and we will see where that goes of. but it was, it was a very interesting two days. and i think, actually, it was a productive two days. sometimes you have to walk. and this was just one of those times. i don't believe that he would have allowed that to happen. just wasn't to his advantage to allow that to happen. those prisons are rough. they are rough places and bad things happened. but i really don't believe that he was -- i don't believe he knew about it. >> reporter: did he tell you that he did not -- >> he felt badly about it. >> victor, i want to get your reaction to had that. i do not top leadership knew about what happened to otto warmbier, the thrust in your piece is you cannot have the economic growth thatpresident trump has been trumpeting and talking about over and over again, if it's not something
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that is addressed. >> right. and so, i can certainly see how in the nature of the north korean system, it would be hard to deliver bad news up the chain to the leader. it's possible that he did no know about the one individual. at the same time though, it's not that hard to make a statement of regret. you know, it's really not that hard. that is low hanging fruit on the human rights side. and as you said, on the human rights, side, there's a long way to go. there's many other things that have to happen before u.s. companies, international financial institutions are going to be able to actually put money in north korea given current u.s. law. so, in addition to the nuclear issue and it's a big one also, there needs to be much more progress made on the human rights issue if we are going to see the realization of this dream that president trump talks about, about turning north korea in to an economic rocket. not rocket man anymore. >> ah. >> but an economic rocket with
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denuclearizati denuclearization. >> andera mitchell will join us now. what did you hear in the course of the news conference. i keep going back to what kelly o'donnell said a moment ago. we did in the hear many questions for reporters with u.s. media outlets. he fielded questions from reporters from other outlets for that conference. let's talk about testing. i played a bit of tape a moment ago, with the president talking about the commitment that the north korean leader made to him. that gets though this point. what is your sense of the relationship between these two leaders at the end of this summit? there was a positive spin, a positive sheen at the beginning and then there was the memorable line from president trump at the beginning. in reference to kim jong-un, he is quite a guy, quite a character. speak to that, the relationship with the two leaders and to the degree that it's driving whatever is next here? >> it probably shouldn't. my take away is for all the
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reliance on personal diplomacy and all the things that he said about a love affair and jokingly in that rally in west virginia and talking about the all rights, showing off his letters. the penpal relationship. when it comes done to the nuts and bolts on of nuclear disarm ament, it's complicated h ecomp. what they ran in to today, it was apparent. the u.s. revealed that it knows more than has been acknowledged and that north korea has acknowledged about their nuclear program. they may not though everything. it's a hard intelligence target. they knew there was more than the one massive facility that there's uranium and plutonium enrichment and developments and the north koreans have been talking about dismantling it. it goes beyond that, they kneed to have more. and when the u.s. clearly in the talks, revealed that they know a lot more beyond that, that, there was no way that the
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president and pompeo were going to go along with sanctions relief just on the basis of some dismentaling of the plant. we have come so far from the declarations post singapore, complete denuclearization and inventory. mike pompeo said we still don't have the list. the list of the arsenal and the weapons they were developing and still developing, that is what has to be preceding any kind of agreement on denuclearization. we have to know what they have got. they have to acknowledge what they have got before you can start negotiating on inspections and everything else that victor and wend sitting next to you know, they have to do as arms investigators. they didn't even get to that stage, that says that this was a real failure, the success is that they didn't try to gloss it over. they did walk away. the worse case would have been if they tried to say there was a deal and have a signing ceremony that was an empty gesture.
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>> that recognition of the growth of that arsenal, coming as a result of that sharp line of questioning from dave sanger, as you mentioned there, and listed comments on multi-lateralism as well. president trump saying on the heels of the news conference, he is going to get on the plane and talk to president moon jae-in of south korea, and prime minister abe. you have personal diplomacy and man-to-man diplomacy within a lot of global interest. how are japan and south korea going to react to what they saw unfold in hanoi? >> i suspect that japan may be encouraged and south korea, at least president moon in south korea, may be disappointed. he has been pushing for more engagement, he wanted sanctions relief to permit a north/south economic relation s reestablishd
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in a broader way. that will not happen if the president holds firm that there's no sanctions relief. both china and russia have been easing off of the sanctions because of singapore and the suggestions from president trump that things were going swimmingly. they found a lot of loopholes we believe to back off on sanctions relief. so, that is one thing. one other thing that i thought might be disturbing to south korea and to the u.s. military is the president casting shade on the joint military exercises. he free-lanced the suspension of military exercises in singapore, much to the dismay of general mattis. when asked about about them, he said they are a waste of money. they cost $100 million. war games are nice. we play war games. he really diminished the
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importance of the military exercises that are important for readiness of both sides. now there's a question if they will take place . he did not acknowledge the reimbursement to the tune of almost a billion dollars and he did not acknowledge that at all. he is diminishing the importance of the military exercises. and i think, he might be urged to clarify that when he does talk to south korea. >> we are ewatching the presidential motorcade making its way to the airport. for secretary statute of mike pompeo, you have traveled with the secretary of state, we saw, in my estimation we saw him standing on the stage, and he said that he wanted to take a big step. we made real progress. we did not get tall -- and we did not get all the way. we heard that it's going to take time. it's become something that we have heard of and over again from the administration. a reenvisioning of how long the
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process will take. >> i think it's, it's been a real disappointment. mike pompeo was the point person. we began to see after singapore, when he went and did not get a meeting with kim jong-un. they have been dragging their feet and pompeo has been trying to pull it along the way. his top negotiators, and his envoy, gave an important speech at stanford university on the way the run-up to the summit. which probably should not have been scheduled. it was premature as victor said. he said we have to get a roadmap coming out of the next summit as to the next steps. . they don't have the roadmap, and they don't yet have the accounting of the weapons and the arsenal, that we and others have been reporting. has been expanded since singapore and one of the answers to the questions today, what about the fact that they are still expanding their arsenal, even as you are supposedly negotiating much. and there was no clearance about
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that. they don't have a freeze on the weapons program. they don't even have an accounting oaccount i ing. i don't know how pompeo proceeds. do they revert to the happy talk? do they work through the relationship because there's still the carrot, the economic sanctions being lifted or does kim jong-un go back to a harder line, publicly and privately? >> thank you very much, we appreciate it. victor and wendy still with me. we will talk to john a nuclear expert as well. it's our coverage of the hanoi summit. the press conference that the president gave in hanoi, continues here.
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the inspections of north korea will take place and will, if we do something with them, we have a schedule set up that is very good. we know things that, as david was asking, about certain places and certain sites. there's sites that people don't know about that we know b we would be able to do inspections, we think, very, very successfully. >> president trump talking about a ease with which the united states could do inspection of and accounting of nuclear weapons and ballistic weapons of north korea. the bomb scare, the history and future of nuclear weapons. joe, let me just have you react to the sound that you just heard there. we don't have an accounting as we were just discussing. we heard an admission from the
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administration, from the president and his secretary of state, that the arsenal has only gotten bigger. help us understand how easy it would be to account for the kinds of weapons, the apt amount -- the amount of weapons that north korea has. >> as the president said, we have a good understanding of north korea. he said that we know every inch of the country. a little exaggeration, but we have been watching for a long time. that is why the inventory is not crucial at this stage. at some point, when you have an agreement to denuclearize the arsenal. ing of course -- of course, you need an arsenal, a step by step process. what we are looking for at this point, was a way to physically implement a cap on the production of their material. kim jong-un has said he was going to stop making more material for the weapons. and this is really the key area of the program. we, they have far more missiles than they have warhead-s to put
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on those missiles. so, the focus of his talks was the plant for a reason. i believe the president basically got it right. once we had set up a process, you could more or less quickly establish an inspection regime. >> victor still with me here in new york. and victor, so much of the work you are doing now, has to do with this. accounting for what is happening in north korea. your project, beyond parallel, s making use to the high resolution satellite images to do just that. the president is saying we have seen every square inch of north korea today. >> it's a hard intelligence target. but with commercial satellite imaginary, you can see quite a lot. you know, i do think we were able to identify these 20 missile bases short and
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intermediate missile range bases that were not on the conversation. the president talked about the nuclear test site, there's been no activity at any of on the -- at any of the places for quite some time. it looked like the north koreans were ready to hand it over. to the president's credit, and i don't give him a lot of credit, but to his credit, he realized these were not things that were going to eat h-- that were not to eat in to the program, and the north koreans were asking for a lifting of the sanctions. no deal is better than a bad deal. but we never should have been in this situation. there should have been more spade work done in advance. i'm reminded of wendy working on the iran deal and how many trips she made to ensure that when had the secretary got there, the president got there, there was a deal to be made. that, you know, she had done the, you know, the -- there was
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only ten yards to go left or less by the time the principals got there. that was not the case here. where the president himself had to negotiate these things. and we ended up in a bad spot. >> and ambassador sherman, that was the subject of the bbc's question to the president, was it premature to have the summit if nothing was agreed to? >> and the simple answer is yes. you have to do a lot of work. back in the end of the clinton administration. we were negotiating a permanent missile testing moratorium with north korea. and we got very close, but it was the year that we had a very contentoius presidential contest that did not get over until december, and president clinton was working on middle east peace. which remains elusive to this day. and so, we didn't get to the end of that story. but part of the reason we didn't get to the end is i needed to go back to make sure that the
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details were nailed down. in the details were nailed down, then in my pocket, i had a date that president bill clinton be would have gone and opened liaison offices and we would be in a different places because there were no nuclear weapons at that time of. history is a cruel thing, we are now where we are today and this is a very tough, much tougher than the iran deal. >> after reading your memoir and secretary albright's memoire, i know how difficult that was to make that decision. last question to you. i was sitting along side you in june when the singapore summit took place, we were squinting at the high resolution images. you had optimism more than the rest of the guests that i was speaking to that night about that statement. about where we were and what was going to happen as a rule of that singapore summit, let's take stock now. look back on what happened since the singapore summit, how much
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of that optimism remains? >> this has been a terrible, awful, no good day for donald trump. michael cohen in washington. failure in hanoi and as we learned in the press krconferen, indictments in netanyahu, and of those, the failure in hanoi has to stand out. this was the one area of the world where he could have gotten a foreign policy victory. and as wednesday -- as wendy i missed opportunity. just by the way, we don't know what happened yet. we have just heard the trump version of what happened. and as my lawyer/wife told me, if you have heard one side of the divorce, you have no idea what happened. we have to hear more from kim. what do the north koreans have to say. it's a failure that will be hard
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to recover from. i don't know how much time trump has left. who is picking up the pieces? pompeo, he has one foot out the door looking at a senate race. bolton may have played a role in killing the deal. donald trump, how much time does he have left to devote to this. i am afraid that it may join the ranks of missed opportunities that were in the obama administration. the george w. bush administration. the clinton administration. we came close and failed. what we have to hope is that we can keep the cap on, as trump promised, a cap on the production. a cap on the treesting, keep th process together long enough for perhaps the next president to pick it up. >> sound council to wait to hear from the other side's statements. that will take time, we will not get it immediately as both parts make their way back to their respective country cies.
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thank you very much for joining us of. we will continue with coverage here on msnbc in a moment.
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i could have done a deal today, but it would have been a deal that would not have ban deal -- it would have been something that i would not have been happy about. mike would not have been happy about it. we had some pretty big options but we felt it was not appropriate. and we want to really do it right. >> president trump a few moments
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ago in hanoi, talking about what led to the dissolution of the summit. they did not have a lunch that was previously scheduled and a signing event of joint understanding. we have a correspondent from npr and now you are based in los angeles. he was asked a follow-up about that. a reporter said, what was the atmosphere like when with y-- wu walked away from the table. he said that they shook hands. it was amicable. your read of the behaviors as someone that followed it back and forth? >> this puts south korea in an awkward position coming out of that. the failure of a deal today and after the remarks of the press conference. we do already know that the south korean kospi index has closed lowest since october 23rd and moon jae-in, he is in an
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awkward spot. he had already been sending out communications saying that tomorrow, tomorrow there's a knew start on the korean peninsula, expecting there would be some sort of deal, even if it was more of a feel good deal. he was fully expecting some sort of gesture, like we saw out of singapore, so south korea is in a weird spot and one open question is how north korea, what north korea is reporting, if you will, on the summit will be. we heard the u.s. government take on what happened. i'm really interested in what the north korean government's take is going to be on what happened. because donald trump is saying that it was not an bankru-- wasn abrupt walk away, but what will will the state media be going forward? there's a lot of open questions and uncertainty as somebody who has been watching the issue. >> help us understand that more. you look at the pictures from
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last night. vietnam time, of the two leaders sitting down to dinner. there was the president reaching over of to touch the north korean leader's elbow. there was more familiarity in the photos than we saw in the first summit in singapore, help us to understand what you were talking about a moment ago. how it's going to play in north korea. the degree to which those ima images, the video, and the pictures that were taken in the first 24 hours will be used in north korea. >> well, what we have seen so far of how the north korean media is covering this is, there's much less of a delay between the news actually happening and the news getting to the north korean people, previously there could be as many as days that transpired between an actual summit and the news of the summit being reported on north korean media. that gap in time is closing and then the photos that have gone out from state media have shown this warmth, kim jong-un being parity and being on the same level as the u.s. president
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which is something that really helps to bolster his legacy and his regime within his domestic audience. so, what i'm curious about is what north korea's state media will say about the outcome of this summit. the u.s. state department has already been spinning it saying, you know what? the warm relations are going forwarder and this is kind of a blip. we didn't get a deal because we didn't want a bad deal. but what is north korea going to say and we are going to have to watch it in the days to come. >> victor with me in new york. i want you to comment on that. the degree to which it's an agreement unto itself. the fact that you had president trump sitting across the table from the leader of north korea. what does that mean to this 30 something-year-old leader of north korea, as he looks for recognition on the world stage? >> well, he is a 30
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something-year-old leader. but north korea has been preparing for 50 years. they have wanted this recognition from the united states, as a nuclear weapon state, they have wanted it for quite some time. i still think they get a big propaganda boost from another meeting with the u.s. president. i think they are not going to really report a lot on this, because there was no outcome. you know, i think they are going to downplay it a great deal and you know, they control the media. they can do whatever they want in that respect. and you know, she is right, we don't know where it goes from here. when the leaders cannot agree on something in diplomacy, you just don't know where you go at that point. and so, are we going to exercise? right? are we going to do exercising? are the north koreans going to start doing activity at all the sites we have been looking at? are there going to be more sanctions? are we lifting sanctions? it's unclear. >> we see thepresident of the united states in the airport in
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hanoi, getting ready to board air force one to go to the united states. it's a long journey the president is about to undertake. 20 plus hours. he climbs the staircase to get in the plane to make the return. the secretary of state, heading to the philippines later today to meet with the president of that country. as his tour of the region will continue. i want to bring in military analyst, jack jacobs, we see the president climbing air force one, waving to those that gathered in hanoi at the airport. before the news conference began, we were talking about the military exercises and indeed it was something that the president was asked about in the news conference and he laid out economic motivations for cancelling those military exercises. as andrea mitchell said a moment ago, it was the president freelansing, a lot of people in the administration, surprised that president trump did this. he said that when he discovered that the aircraft were coming from guam, and seven hours away, that each exercise cost $100
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million, he thought it was a frivolus expense. your reaction to this component, when you look at things that changed since the first summit in june. this is one of them. >> well, this is an argument that he has made before. purely economic reasons why we should not have exercises. i'm afraid that the president doesn't understand either the reason for having military exercises, the nature of the military exercises or even the cost of these things. we have to spend a lot of time making surer that we can integrate strategy and tactics. people and machines. and so, we can operate with our al allies in difficult circumstances so we can achieve whatever objectives have been set. military objectives have been set to defend the republic. we do it all the time.
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and we have to do it -- we are changing enemies and circumstances and changing equipment. it's not for nothing that each combatant commander in every area of the world has to submit and certify the efficiency of our operation plans. and we have operation plans that do just about everything that you can think of to, to defend our interests worldwide. so, it's not, it's interesting, he calls them games. >> hm-mm. >> they are not games. and that is what you call them when you don't understand what military exercises or the use of the military instrument is all about, david. >> colonel jack jacobs with us. it's nice, president trump said, they play the war games. as colonel jack jacobs just
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mentioned. as we look at air force, on the tarmac, the president readying to make his return to the united states ar the-- states after th summit wrapped up. no signed statement, no lunch that was scheduled between the two world leaders. that news conference with kim jong-un and president trump have concluded just a few moments ago. our coverage continues right here on msnbc, in just a moment. .
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mr. trump, claimed it was because of a bone spur. but when i asked for medical records, he gave me nup -- he gave me none. he offered simply the fact that he received a medical deferment. he finished the conversation with the following comment. you think i'm stupid? not going to vietnam. and i find it ironic, mr.
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president that you are in vietnam right now. >> having a fake hearing like that, and having it in the middle of this very important summit is really a terrible thing. they could have made it two days later or next week. and it would have been even better, they would have more time. but having it during this very important summit is seniority-- incredible. he lied a lot. and it was very interesting, because he did not lie about one thing. he said no collusion with the russian hoax. i thought, why didn't he like about that like everything else. >> the president commenting on the testimony of michael cohen that took place today ahead on the press conference that you just saw. president trump admitting i tried to watch as much as i could of o -- of that hearing.
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andrea mitchell will join us from d.c., i want to ask you about the split screen. ben rhodes had a great comment to the washington post that was included in the piece by phil rucker. he said at home, we can see these things as just another turn in the tabloid dr amdrama e trump presidency. help us understand why it's the case. >> well, it's absolutely the case, when we talk about the split screen presidency, in eight of the 11 foreign trips the president has made of his presidency, there's been another break in either the mueller probe or the investigation leading up to mueller's appointment, there's been something overshadowing and it's revelations when he is in europe, middle east, and asia at
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summit meetings and again, of course, most dramatically today, with nine hours of testimony from michael cohen on the hill. and now, the president being asked about it, there was at least, just this one question about it. and he said, i tried to watch the timing, because of the 12 hour time difference where he was able, when the summit session was not actually taking place as we see air force one there beginning to taxi out, he was able to watch, he said, as much as he could. you know he was watching that. and then seizing on the fact that cohen, many people believed to his credit, despite him being an acknowledged and convicted liar, cohen for all the criticism said what he did not know, and said, he did not have personal evidence of collusion, he had suspicions but no evidence of the relationship between the president or his campaign and russia. so, that was what the president chose to seize on. not all the criticism that you played the irony in in his
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opening statement about the president being in vietnam, a place according to cohen, that he said, he is not stupid, he would not go to vietnam, had when responding to the press questions about his lack of military service of the campaign. there was no surgery or medical records. so he was given talking points about the president and vee y--s coming back and facing the firestorm of cohen's testimony, which is bigger headlines than what happened in vietnam. >> he will have 20 hours of isolation and insulation. you mentioned that line, i tried to watch as much of it as i could. i have not taken a straw poll here in new york. how surprised ewere you andrea, give us a idea of what folks are saying about the level of preparation before the summit
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and the level that the president was planning to focus on the matter in hanoi. >> he would have liked to focus on the matter at hand. i think the lack of preparation. the fact that they have had the summit, based on the letters and the fact that they thought, he thought he could build on the personal relationship and i'm not sure whether or not they tried to dissuede him from that. the fact is, they were not ready for this summit. neither side. because kim jong-un was not going to make these concessions. and importantly, the white house could not have agreed, the state department and white house could not have agreed to the terms of lifting the sanctions. those sanctions are so hard to negotiate, they are already being violated by the key players, but to lift sanctions and then try to put them back in place through a u.n. process when we don't have an experienced negotiator, hardly at the u.n. and we don't have an ambassador and the nominee has no experience in the high power diplomacy. no way they would have gotten
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the sanctions back on and they could not agree to what was being demanded by north korea. >> andrea mitchell joining us as we await the takeoff of on air force one. our coverage begins on msnbc in a moment. ment
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the most inspiring minds, the most compelling stories, the best place to listen. to start your free 30-day trial, text listen5 to 500500 today. ♪ basically they wanted the sanction s -- lifted in their entirety and we were not willing to do that. they were willing to denuke a large portion of the areas that we want, but we could not give up all of the sanctions for that. so we will continue to work it and we will see. but we had to walk away from that particular suggestion. we had to walk away from it. >> president trump talkingabout the next steps in light of the truncated summit in hanoi, ambassador, sherman, let's ask
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about the path forward here. secretary of state mike pompeo saying we are closer than we were 36 hours ago, or several months bag. there was -- months back. an israeli reporter asked the president a question, and the president talked lustily about a middle east peace deal and it highlighted to me, distraction. we have been through two of these summits. maybe his attention is shifting. >> i think he was trying to buck up his son-in-law who has been in the middle east and while none of us have been paying attention had a meeting with the crowned prince of saudi arabia, and it got no coverage because it was buried in all of the other chaos that is going on. i think victor said earlier, this is hard work. and that is really as simple and as complex as the this. this is hard work. to really be a leader in these circumstances, yes, you need a
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sense of your own power, butyou need a team, you need a plan. you need discipline. you need to be able to carry it out, and you need to create the right and left margins on of what you will agree to. you need a policy process. your negotiator has to know what the right and left margins are. none of that seems to be clear and all of it is highly detailed as was said earlier, this is complicated stuff. i'm not a nuclear science it, i don't want to be. but to do these arms control deals you need technical advisers on that side of it and technical advisers on the sanctions side of it. and to unroll sanctions is not a simple thing. you don't sign a piece of paper and it's done . it's got implications of how you unroll the sanctions and how things are lined up and teed up and ready to do. they are multi-lateral sanctions
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that we did in the u.n., so we don't get to decide by ourselves. all of it takes time. it's clearer the president rushed the summit, it's not good for an american national security to have a weak president much. >> you have lived this as well. you know well how much hard work is involved in all of this. and you hear the president saying other administrations have done nothing. they should have done more. that policy falacy comes up time and time again. so much effort as ambassador sherman has described, has gone in to the course of the last many administrations. what a disconnect? >> yeah, on the other hand you know, he is right in the sense that the other previous negotiations have failed. we have both been part of failed negotiations. so, we know what failed negotiations smell like and this smells pretty bad in that sense. but, just to stress what wendy said. >> yeah of. >> it's not, i remember one time
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we were sitting with the north koreans and they wanted sanctions lifting and we said, which ones? and they said, all of them. like, they had no understanding of sense of how complex it was. so, that means for the u.s. side, it's not just preparation for our own agency and with a is the plan. we have to prepare a plan for the north koreans, because they, like they can't negotiate, i think, a jcpoa on their own. they need help from the other side. and so, it's double preparation in that sense to really be serious about this and of course, we had the complete opposite of it going in to hanoi, like i said, it works the first time when you are having the first meeting and they are just saying, four nice principals. but when you are actually, and there were expectations this time. they had to make tangible progress. >> expectations that they set. >> that they set, right, that they set and the -- and to go in to it and have nothing ready to go is inexcusable. >> getting passed the page and a
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half. thank you for joining me and thanks to you as well with, that will do it for me. join me saturday morning. 8:00 eastern time. and stay tuned for continuing coverage of the hsummit.
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good morning, everyone. it's thursday, february 28th. we are picking up the breaking news coverage this morning. president trump's summit with north korea's leader kim jong-un has come to an abrupt end. no deal reached between the two leaders. >> president trump wrapped his news conference just a short time ago. here he is discussing why the u.s. had to quote, walk away. >> on north korea we just left chairman kim who had a really --
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