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a lot of people in politics have changed their tune on russia since 2012 and that certainly includes republicans who now largely back a president with a very different view of putin than romney had back then but few did what albright did is admit it and grapple with it in public. that's all for "hardball." "all in with chris hayes" now. >> who else knows the president did this? >> the cohen fallout grows. how democrats expand their investigation to criminal activity inside the white house. >> i am no longer your criminal. >> rashidah talib on her stand against racism and the president. >> donald trump is setting a precedent, i reclaim my time. breaking news from "the new
york times." >> jared has done an amazing job. >> security clearance to jared kushner and then lied about it. as trump defends the north korean dictator over the death of an american. >> he tells me he didn't. >> who he decides to trust. >> deny it. that's all i can say. >> "all in" starts right now. >> good morning from new york. i'm chris hayes. a public testimony by a member of the inner circle. the nation watched and presumably the president watched as michael cohen before congress and the american people ill pli kat -- implicated the president in numerous crimes and had prior knowledge of the wikileaks dump of the 2016 election. cohen back on capitol hill today for the third day in a row. this time giving closed door testimony to the house intelligence committee.
afterwards, chairman adam shiff announced more hearings to come. >> we very much appreciate mr. cohen's cooperation. he's obviously had three very long days. he'll be returning on march 6th for additional testimony. the following week on march 14th, we'll have an open interview with felix saider on moscow trump tower. i must tell you to set your expectations. not every hearing will be like the open hearing of michael cohen. >> he dropped a lot of names, alleged accomplices or witnesses who can corroborate his claims about the president including the president's children. the oversight chairman elijah cummings said he wants to hear from every single person shows up in the hearing transcript. house intelligence reportedly interested in the one that came up the most. cfo allen weislberg. said to know every last detail
about the business. we already knew the president was implicated in the criminal scheme to violate campaign finance law to which cohen pleaded guilty last year. identified as individual one in those court documents. it now brings the skecheme insi the white house. a reimbursement check for the illegal stormy daniels hush money payment signed and dated august 1st, 2017 while donald trump was in august. but that's just one of the many potential crimes of which cohen accused his former boss. despite the campaign finance violations, implicated cohen in tax fraud, insurance fraud, bank fraud, perjury, obstruction of justice, false statements to law enforcement, and self-dealing in his charitable foundation. that was just the stuff that cohen was authorized to talk about and that appears to be the tip of the iceberg. >> is there any other wrongdoing or illegal act that you are
aware of regarding donald trump that we haven't yet discussed today? >> yes, and again, those are part of the investigation that's currently being looked at by the southern district of new york. >> those potential crimes anything to do at all with the investigation by special counsel robert mueller and on that front, cohen dropped a bombshell that suggested mueller could be sitting on much more explosive information than he has disclosed thus far. in the prepared section of the testimony, cohen claimed roger stone gave the president advanced notice of the first wikileaks dump in the summer of 2016, a relation he presumably made with authorization from the special counsel. that doesn't appear anywhere in mueller's court filings. although, it does fit with the timing that the mueller folks have already laid out. according to mueller's indictment of russian military hackers, wikileaks confirmed to the hackers that the russian gru folks who had gotten the stolen material on or about july 2016, received the stolen dnc
documents and release them shortly after. cohen testified he spoke to the president on july 18th or 19th. as journalist marcy wheeler points out, if mr. mueller is hiding similar examples, it suggests that whatever he plans to release in a report may have some unanticipated bombshells. i'm joined by a member of the house intelligence committee, who questioned behind closed doors today. congressman sean maloney. did you learn anything new today? >> quite a bit today. i'm not at liberty to discuss specifics of the testimony but what i can tell you is michael cohen was credible, forthcoming and we appreciate his cooperation. >> were there things you discussed not discussed in the open session before the oversight committee? >> yes. that's true as well and while i can't go into the specifics, i think this week will be remembered as a seminole week in the investigation of these matters. i think the testimony of mr.
cohen is absolutely central to getting at the truth of what happened and we are happy to see that big piece of the puzzle fitting in. >> do you have a clearer sense of what happened after today's testimony? >> yes. that's three yeses in a row. this is because mr. cohen has been incredibly forthcoming. answered every question. he was cooperative. generous with his time after doing his two days in a row and now a third day and he's coming back next week. so we are looking forward to his continued testimony. we're not through. and again, this is just one witness with one set of evidence to provide, but he has been very helpful. >> was the march 6 return testimony always on the books or was that because today went long and you had more stuff? >> i don't know the specifics of that. i think i'll leave that to the chairman to discuss in detail. i didn't know about it before today. i think common sense will tell you there's a lot to discuss here. >> right. >> and we are being very thorough. >> felix seder will be there and
exchanged e-mails about how our boy can get elected president and build this trump tower in moscow. what is the thinking in a general sense of what's an open session and closed session before the committee of yours? >> our focus is more on russia per se. yesterday, you saw some eye popping testimony, i thought. you did a great job of summarizing it. to have a witness come in with documents, demonstrating that the president was involved in a criminal conspiracy to evade campaign finance laws and cover it up, i mean, that's quite a lot. that's a pretty good day's work but i'll tell you, our focus is really on russia, it's on the interactions between the trump campaign and the russians. there's a lot we have not learned before. every day that goes by, every new fact shows what a joke the republican investigation was in the last congress. it's very important we do a thorough job and get the facts out to all of you. >> you mentioned your republican
colleagues. i've always wondered this because i've never been in a closed session and not able to sit on the house intelligence or senate committee. is it the same vibe in closed session as it is when the cameras are rolling? >> it's a trade-off. there's a real value to seeing it in realtime but a benefit to being behind closed doors, less of a temptation to grandstand. the fact is that a lot of our republican colleagues didn't attend today's hearing or only attended for a brief period of time and that's the kind of thing they can get away when we're in closed session. >> they weren't in there? like a lot of them? >> what i can tell you, they dwindled as the day went on and i think that's pretty amazing when you consider what we're dealing with, but what i'll tell you is the value of a closed session is you can really go deep, you can be thorough, and you can really take your time to get all the facts. i have to say, the staff of our committee, you know, deserves a
medal for the work they've done and i really do want to commend mr. cohen for the level of cooperation he's provided. obviously, he has credibility issues and we need to take that seriously. corroboration is really important to everything he says. but look, it was a very good day. >> all right. and he will be back march 6 and felix. sean patrick maloney of the house intelligence committee, thank you. >> for more on the new phase of the investigation, i'm with richard blumenthal and joy vance for the eastern district of alabama. senator, let me start with you. do you feel like we are in a new phase after yesterday? >> this week has been a very bad one for individual number one, for donald trump. this has been a week of truth telling and fact finding and i think that we're in a different
phase because all of those crimes you indicated in the investigation, not only by robert mueller but also in the southern district of new york, in the eastern district of virginia, these criminal investigations are spread among them and cohen has been a powerful and compelling witness. >> you believed him yesterday? >> he has credibility problems because he lied to congress before. >> lied to congress before but has a long record of lying all over the place. >> he has a long record of lying and he worked for a gentleman who has a record of allegedly lying, but remember this. i used to make arguments in the jury and used to tell them, we don't make these drug cases or these organized crime cases with choir boys. we make them with people who were involved and they have criminal wrongdoing in their background and he directly linked donald trump to very serious criminal wrongdoing, which is corroborated by other
witnesses and documents. >> joyce, the one person i thought must have been pulling their hair out there yesterday or calling their lawyer was allen weisselberg. what do you think his future is in front of congress and southern district? >> well, i think you're right. it wasn't a very good day for mr. weisselberg. he already spent a little bit of time with prosecutors. we know he was given some form of limited immunity for testimony but we don't know what it related to. >> limited immunity. before a grand jury or prosecutor will say, whatever you see in this, you're immune for. >> that's different than being a cooperating witness. a cooperating witness works out a deal they won't be prosecuted or they'll get less time and they will fully cooperate. that's not what happened with him. it's a little bit risky for him to testify up on the hill. if he asserts the fifth
amendment privilege, folks on the hill won't get the testimony they want. if they give him immunity to compel that testimony, there's a risk, a strong risk it could immunize him from whatever charges southern district of new york might be contemplating. >> let me ask you about the southern district. when you say southern district, those are things you know from public press reports. no back channel or anyone those investigations are happening, correct? >> we know the southern district is investigating campaign violations, possible financial crimes. >> but that's public record. there's no secret knowledge of what's happening in those places you have access to, correct? >> that's correct. >> there's a bunch of other people named yesterday including the president's children, ivanka trump, donald trump jr., ronagraff, the chief operations officer, matthew calamari.
one of the greatest all time names i've encountered in my years doing news. >> i would anticipate donald trump jr. hopefully coming back before the judiciary committee. he testified before the judiciary committee that his father had no advanced knowledge about the trump tower meeting on june 9th. >> told you under oath in closed session? >> told us under potential penalty of perjury, michael cohen yesterday described in some detail a meeting where the president was told by donald trump jr. about that meeting and events. >> he thinks michael cohen is making a deduction there? i want to be scrupulously fair about it. >> told about the conversation with roger stone where the president encouraged and approved roger stone talking to wikileaks about the dump of stolen, i emphasize stolen
e-mails. >> what do you make? you're a prosecutor. you ran the u.s. attorney's office. put yourself through the head of whoever's running that shop down at fdny with what michael cohen said and i mean, you know, insurance fraud is a crime. tax fraud is a crime. don't they have an obligation to go digging on that pretty hard? >> absolutely. if you're investigating a bank robbery and you stumble across a murder, you don't just ignore the murder and say we're just here to look at bank robbery. prosecutors and agents, you know this like i do, they're like curious four-year-old children. anything that doesn't fit, anything you have more questions about, that's what you investigate and you go until you have investigated and answered every last question that you have. it's not a complicated process in that sense. it's using your common sense to follow and answer all the questions that you have about what happened. >> there's also the question yesterday about taxes and the degree to which this has been
swirling forever. obviously, your colleagues in the house have the power to subpoena them, get your hands on them. how important is that to you after yesterday's testimony, generally? >> profoundly important and we are investigating also in the emoluments lawsuit. we hope we get tax returns because the president benefitted by the payments. >> try to get them through discovery. >> exactly right. >> interesting. >> one more point about donald trump jr. and joyce said it very well. once these threads are established, once the connections are made, donald trump jr., in effect, lying to a congressional committee, donald trump jr., signing those reimbursement checks, donald trump jr. implicated in other criminal activity, you have the connections that are the hallmark of a conspiracy. >> you seem to have your eyes on donald trump jr. you think he lied to the committee? >> i think he lied to our committee, at least so far as we can tell right now.
ahead, congresswoman rashidah talib on her take of the cohen hearing and why she spoke truth to power with racism and the president and next, breaking news from "the new york times." the president of the united states lied, flat out, about overruling his own intelligence agencies to get national security clearance for his son-in-law. that story in two minutes. his son-in-law that story in two minutes. it's absolute confidence in 30,000 precision parts. or it isn't. it's inspected by mercedes-benz factory-trained technicians. or it isn't. it's backed by an unlimited mileage warranty, or it isn't. for those who never settle, it's either mercedes-benz certified pre-owned, or it isn't. the mercedes-benz certified pre-owned sales event. now through february 28th. only at your authorized mercedes-benz dealer. so let's promote our spring ftravel deals, on choicehotels.com like this:
well, they lied again. this time about how jared kushner got, he wanted to use russian facilities away from the prying eyes of american intelligence to set up a secret back channel with the kremlin and not reporting that wildly sketchy meeting on his own security application. or the report from the "washington post" that officials from at least four countries
discussed ways to manipulate kushner by taking advantage of his complex business arrangements, financial difficulties and lack of foreign policy experience. and punking red lights. kushner upgraded to top secret security clearance over the objections of career officials that rejected his application. who
had the power to give jared kushner security clearance? >> i'm not sure i had the authority but i wouldn't do it. jared's a good -- i was never involved with his security. i know that he, you know, just from reading, i know there was issues back and forth about security for numerous people actually but i don't want to get involved in that stuff.
>> flat denial there. a long hypotheticahypothetical. president said no. that denial echoed by none other than ivanka trump
a week later. >> there were some issues early on and there are a lot of people that question whether you were given special treatment by the president overriding. >> absolutely not. >> can you speak to that? >> there were anonymous leaks about there being issues, but the president had no involvement pertaining to my clearance or my husband's clearance. >> just a lie. a flat out on camera lie about ivanka trump right there, looking at abby huntsman and lying. the words coming out are lies. untrue things. lies. "new york times" reports tonight it was president trump, oh, shocker who ordered then chief of staff john kelly to give kushner top secret clearance. joining me, chris lou. mystery solved. not that surprising but how big
a deal is it? >> it's a big deal. and i say that and it's hard to get shocked by anything these days, but let's look at the process. this is a process that's run by career security officials who evaluate not only your travels, your financial dealings, your contacts, and they weigh it in terms of the national security risk and these career officials said jared kushner posed a security risk. it got bumped up to the white house counsel and to both credits, jared kushner did not deserve a clearance. and yes, the president can override it but it's disingenuous to say he doesn't know about this process. he revoked john brennan's security clearance, so he knows how this works. this is a big deal. >> one thing to keep in mind, when you think about both career officials, human beings who were embedded in an institution and know which side the white house
is pushing on and don mcgahn and the chief of staff, no one wants to be the one to say no to the boss's son-in-law. the fact they did that, like, based on the factual record makes you think it must have been pretty bad. >> exactly right. we know that from his financial disclosure form. he had to re-do it 40 times along the way. how foreign officials thought they could potentially compromise jared kushner as part of his dealings. let me put this in context. i worked for barack obama for 11 years. i got a security clearance three different times. i had to go through the process every time and had access to the information. if i could not have qualified, barack obama would not have overridden the recommendations. he would have found another place for me. and you don't need to believe me. james clapper, the former dni went on tv today and said he's not aware of this ever happening before. >> you're saying, there's no special favor there.
maybe get a job at hhs or something where you don't have to have clearance but it's just not done that you override in this way. >> it is just not done and chris, let's put this in the broader con ttext of how this president handles security matters. he's held national security meetings in front of mar-a-lago guests and disclosed qualified information to the russian foreign minister, to fundraisers and revoked the security clearances of his political opponents and on top of that, ran an entire campaign on the baseless allegation the opponent misused classified information. this is hypocritical in the extreme. >> don mcgahn and john kelly so alarmed by the decision or determined to cover their own reputations they both wrote contemporaneous memos saying donald trump did this. the president, the national
security state we've erected, basically post 1945, the system that's metastasized, all run by the president at the top. who gives or takes away cleerns li -- clearance like a king in some ways. why lie about it? >> i don't know. i like to think they try to run the normal process but see from the "new york times" reporting, thinking somebody below him was going to take care of this. >> it didn't want to be him reaching in to do it for his n son-in-law who's in the middle east putting a peace deal together. michael cohen testified that he's a racist and did so by displaying a woman next to him, an african-american trump supporter who happens to now
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just to make a note, mr. chairman, just because someone has a person of color working for them does not mean they aren't racist. and it is incensensitive that s would even say, the fact that someone would actually use a prop, a black woman in this chamber, in this committee, is alone racist in itself.
>> my nieces and nephews are people of color. not many people know that. you know that, mr. chairman. and to indicate that i asked someone who is a personal friend of the trump family who has worked for him and knows this particular individual she's coming in to be a prop, it's race u.ist to suggest i asked ho come in for that reason. >> that exchange happened at the end. rashida talib and mark meadows had a brief conversation on the house floor during some of their house business and that ended with a hug. the outburst prompting searching and not one but two videos surfaced showed meadows during the first congressional run in birtherism. >> 2012 is the time we're going to send mr. obama home to kenya or wherever it is. we're going to do it. >> if we do our job from a
grassroots standpoint, we won't have to worry about it. we'll send him back home to kenya or wherever it is. >> meadows asked earlier today about those comments. >> it was early on in the primary and certainly didn't indicate any personal malice that i would have towards any president, previous or sitting president. anyone who knows me knows that there is not a racial bone in my body. >> not a single racial bone in there. detroit democratic congresswoman rashida talib of the house oversight committee. mr. meadows spoke about the exchange on the floor. i wanted to hear your side of the exchange today. >> i looked up and there he was, thanking me for being gracious. we had an exchange about what happened in committee and we went our separate ways. it was really, you know, thoughtful of him to come up to me and to thank me that way.
i think some of my colleagues were around were also kind of watching the exchange, but i did appreciate that he did that. >> are you, do you regret saying what you said yesterday in the hearing or stand by what you said yesterday? >> absolutely not. i mean, i really do stand by it. and folks need to know, i come from a community that i was raised in, the most beautiful blackest city in the country and fully around us in what's happening, i think, in the country right now, with this sitting president of the united stat states, very much, i wanted to be heard and seen, and for me, at that moment, watching this young woman stand up behind congressman meadows in that way was very hurtful and it was very disrespectful. >> what is the bigger lesson here? i think one of the things that happens every day in congress now, the house minority is
overwhelmingly white and male. you really see it. the majority is a much more diverse coalition of folks from different ethnic backgrounds, different races. it's female representation is higher and it kind of seems like we're watching these sort of two americas interact tensely with each other in every committee hearing. >> yeah, i mean, i can tell you, so many of us, this is the most diverse class of the largest class since watergate, but i think many of us didn't run to be the first of anything. many of us, especially the women of color that are there really ran because they had a desire to do right by their communities and their families that they represent, but also, we didn't come just to make congress look differently. which i think is important, but also we, you know, want to speak differently and feel differently. we want people back home to be able to relate to this congress, to feel like it is a people's
congress and reflective of who we are. >> i thought it was an example of that. if you had not said about it, a lot of people remarked on that moment on social media and people we work with remarked about it. had you not said it, it was a striking moment for that reason. i want to pivot to the substance because you were in that committee to talk to michael cohen and hear his testimony. did you find him credible or learn new things yesterday? >> i did find, this is a man that represented and was a personal lawyer for the sitting president of the united states for ten years, but all of his criminal acts, his lies, all of it is related, interconnected to the president of the united states, the man that sits in the oval office right now. and so much of these criminal schemes continued on into the 2017th year. not only from the money he paid back, the bribery he paid back to mr. cohen but also this constant just a reflection of
what he is as a president. i mean, the fact he used fraudulent schemes, the fact he's lied in the past. all the different terminologies i think mr. cohen presented to all of us was very much eye opening but a lot of us knew this was happening but i think at the moment, i remember sitting there and when he was saying that as he was leaving the oval office, mr. cohen looked back and president trump says to him, you know, you're getting your next payment. it just takes longer because the white house mailing system. at that moment, the gravity of the fact this is a sitting president of the united states, sending, you know, i don't even call it hush money. it's bribery. to continue that scheme while he sits in the oval office. what else do we not know as an american people? >> the question, that example you just bring up, that is something that's already been charged and pleaded to as a felony crime in the southern district, in the jurisdiction of the southern district.
did you hear anything impeachable yesterday? what has it done to your thinking about impeachment? >> from day one, everyone knows this, from the number of public statements but also op-eds i've written and statements i've made publicly throughout my district and even in dc, i can tell you it is so much interconnected but most importantly for me as an attorney, somebody that just took the oath of office and upholding the united states constitution, it is my duty and responsibility to hold every single person to the rule of law. to the united states constitution and i can tell you, the biggest fear and what makes many of us upset is the fact he hasn't divested in any of his domestic or international businesses. much of the decisions he's making right now is so much in conflict in what is the best interest of the american people. and this is the emolument clause of the united states constitution. it's in there and very clear because this is not going to be our last ceo, folks.
i mean, america needs to wake up and understand that if we're going to let this president not provide and be transparent about not only his taxes but the fact he hasn't completely cut ties with the trump organization. we've already seen leases entered into between the white house and the trump organization. we've seen over a thousand illegal contacts from saudi arabian governments and a number of other entities with the trump organization. that alone is so dangerous and threatened our democracy in this country. >> illegal contacts? what do you mean by that? >> for instance, the saudi arabian government spending $270,000 at the trump hoelgt in -- hotel in dc. >> in terms of the emoluments. i wanted to make sure there wasn't some huge news story i missed. >> thank you so much for having me. matt gates witness intimidation and the lengths
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>> yes. >> who else knows that the president did this? >> allen, and matthew kal cal . >> is that a real person? matthew calamari. sounds like the made up mark for identification but he is real and he is spectacular. this is matthew "matty" calamari. executive vice president and chief operating officer of the trump organization. if he doesn't look like the executive type, he's not. he reportedly caught trump's eye back in the '80s when the future president saw him roughing up some hecklers at a tennis tournament where he was working security. trump hired him as a bodyguard and sometimes chauffeur which is what he was doing when described in a 1993 trump biography. you'd do anything for me, matty?
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keep killing it, gates was heard telling him. gates is a particularly special flower but every republican in the house is to some degree a version of matt gates devoted not to republican policies but to donald trump above all else. joining me now, joy reid host of "a.m. joy" and jason johnson, politics editor at "the root." gates is of guard, right? everyone is trending in the direction of matt gates in the house. >> absolutely matt gates is basically michael cohen without the salary or with -- the irony is they didn't get the irony. i've been doing what y'all have been doing. they have been doing it matt gates is the new michael cohen. >> i find that bizarre. the president seems like in someways, absurd and ridiculous, seems like a deeply not psychology but broken person in certain ways like in a deep way, and this certain kinds of
person, the michael cohens of the world and matt gates' of the world that, i will do anything for you. >> look, it's devin nunes. there is tons of them. >> there is tons of then. >> they are willing to be that guy, the guy that would steal candy from the store they worked at to give to the popular kids because maybe then i'll be invited to the party. what michael cohen said the whole time is the party isn't that good and you may end up in jail at the end but gates doesn't care and he's denied he made that statement to the president but if you didn't say it then, you'll say it at another point. >> this is a theory i hear, they are afraid of their base and they have to do this so they are doing it. there are republicans but when you see what you saw in the hearing, congressman higgins and from mark meadows, this is their belief system. they are genuinely admiring him. >> the thing is, matt gates is
not at risk for his base. you know, sort of florida political and since this stuff happened and it's very clear. you know, matt gates is a true believer, gulped it down but these people, let's be clear. trump supporters say what matt gates doesn't understand, if he were to lose reelection, he would be a loser to donald trump. he will not be hired by donald trump and nobody. >> the wildest thing about this is that the memory hole that we will ultimately enter into, i saw people being like george w. bush does not exist at cps prap. a republican president against abortion. eight years. why? because he ended disgracing and extremely unpopular and a bad president, historical record shows that clearly and george bush is gone. there was a time of people
running around ready to carve his face in mount rushmore. >> they will say he was the greatest person taken out by the liberals and terrible people out there but remember this, it's the fact that the president even though he's not loyal to you and won't protect you, the shamelessness that he is presenting helped other people. jim jordan, given his scandals of some of the people on the committee, they are able to say this because i'm under president trump. >> jordan was a wrestling coach at ohio state university where there was a doctor who repeatedly and routinely and molested, groped and sexual assaulted the wrestlers there, multiple wresters have come forward. there is no way jordan didn't know about this. jordan denied that but for him to be up there watching the -- >> conspiracies everywhere. couldn't see them when he was a coach. >> the reality is donald trump empowered a certain dgaf manhood
and right wing i can do it meanness. this is what people want to indulge in. he gives you the i hate to use a mafia to the mob. the same thing, you know this is a dangerous, you know this can get you killed but there is something intoxicating about being in the mob. >> that's right. the reason that has more explanation power -- >> jergerrymandered. >> right. >> the people -- there is people in the senate that are conflicted. i think there are people in the house behind closed doors will say things. a thing people don't reckon with, they genuinely like donald trump and love him and admire him and think he's great and want to defend him. that's not -- no one can extort that. >> it's roger stone with nixon now but i promise you, there will be trump tattoos on the backs of these guys by 2020. you know, of trump and melania and anybody in the
administration. lindsey graham is a perfect example. it is intoxicating and they don't care they are hated by other people. now i'm part of the team and one of the cool guys. >> who asked really good straightforward questions. >> you know how many there are? one. >> joy reid and jason johnson, thanks for being with us. good evening. chris, thanks to you at home. many you ev if you start in manhattan, the first thing you hit is the bronx. if you keep going north, the next thing you hit is westchester county, new york with great towns. you'll hit yonkers and new r rochelle but keep going and you'll get to a place called bedford and bedford, new york is pretty. i have been there. it's a nice part