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that is a wrap for me this hour. i look forward to seeing you all at 7:00 a.m. tomorrow. kind of a slow news day, not much to talk about. >> it's been sort of a trend, hasn't it? >> yeah. take it away. >> hello, everybody. i'm kendis gibson live in msnbc headquarters in new york. it's turning out to be a very busy saturday. following that breaking news from the suburbs of washington, d.c. where there's a presidential filibuster that is taking place right now, president trump throwing red meat to his base and using his address to a conservative conference that's ran now some well over 90 minutes, the live pictures you see there from suburban maryland. he started speaking at the conservative political action committee conference at 12:15 eastern time and is still going. he covered a lot -- >> we're waiting for a report by
people that weren't elected. we had the greatest election in all fairness, i used to hear andrew jackson. this was now greater than the election of andrew jackson. people say that. i'm not saying it. we had the greatest of all time. now we have people that lost and unfortunately, you put the wrong people in a couple of positions and they leave people for a long time that shouldn't be there and all of a sudden, they're trying to take you out with bull [ bleep ]. >> all right. there you go. you know it's trouble if he started an andrew jackson. the president also admitting that he spoke with first lady melania trump about firing james comey before actually firing the former fbi director. we have an all-star panel for you ready to dig into all of this. but first let's go to nbc news mike viqueira who is live at the white house. i don't think he wants to return to the white house any time soon. >> reporter: i'll tell you, this
is remarkable even for president trump as unrestrained i've ever seen him in the three years we've been watching him since before the 2016 election. this is a rambling streen of consciousness and the president is coming up on the two hour mark. he started about a half hour later than scheduled at about 12:15 as you report, but it's after the 2:00 hour now, of course, here in washington. the president still going strong and some inflammatory and provocative statements as well as many of the statements that he's often made that have dubious veracity, let's put it this way. you heard his reference there to bow vine excrement. we beeped it out. it's important to put this in context because we did have that wednesday all-day hearing with his former decade long right hand man, michael cohen, testifying calling the president a cheat and a racist before the american people in this forum in
the united states congress. we had the situation in hanoi where there were high expectations which were not met for some kind of deal, some sort of successful negotiation with the north korean leader, kim jong-un. that did not bear fruit. there are myriad of other investigations now under way as democrats just getting their legs underneath them as they take control of many of these key committees. the president has talked about everything from reprising his lament and his rant about the inauguration size, he made fun of his attorney general -- his first attorney general jeff sessions, actually mocking him with a faux southern accent, something he had denied doing after the "new york times" reported. he had referred to him as a dumb southerner. he's talking once again about obamacare and the need to reap obamacare, this after they spent much of the run-up to the 2018 midterm elections talking about the need to maintain the protection for those with preexisting conditions. just recently since i was last on the hour about 20 minutes
ago, the president's still going on talking about immigration. he brought to the stage a man named hayden williams who was a young man attacked at the university of california at berkeley. this is a conservative who was there as a conservative activist on campus. it was on video. he got punched in the eye by somebody who called him a fascist. the president said, he's going to sign an executive order, very, very soon that would require colleges and universities to support free speech. if they don't, they won't get federal grants. so running the whole gamut, a stream of consciousness for the president, still going strong after almost two hours. >> and, mike, cpac is known for its controversial speeches and for lengthy speeches as well and the president has been there several times before but this is really an unusual, unusual speech for him and it just seems -- as it seems, streams of consciousness as you mentioned.
you can tell, also, it's very warm there national harbor or maybe just working up a sweat with this speech. >> reporter: that's a lot of people have noticed that as well. it's important to recognize the context. the president needs a subject change at this point. he's got legal problems. he's got political problems. the wall's may be closing in to some extent with all of these investigations. the house ways and means committee announcing that he was writing a letter to the irs asking for the president's tax returns, something the president has avoided doing for a very long time at first saying he was audited during the campaign and since then refusing to release his tax returns. we have elijah cummins who chaired that hearing with michael cohen the other day. he wants to talk about clearances, security clearances at the white house and we haven't even mentioned that, jared kushner, the president's son-in-law, of course, and close adviser leading his middle east peace initiative as well as other legislative initiatives now under scrutiny because it's
reported by the "new york times" that the president interfered, overruled the intelligence kmu, his chief-of-staff, the top white house lawyer by granting that highest level clearance to his son-in-law jared kushner. >> is this the first time you ever used the word bovine excrement. >> reporter: i think so. >> mike viqueira there at the white house. let's bring in the panel right now. cynthia oxny and danny cevallos. a.b. stotter is with us as well as kimberly atkins. so cynthia, let's start with you right now. the president has this to say about the firing of james comey. i want to get your take on the other side. >> when i fired comey, i said, you know, first lady, i said,
melania, i'm doing something today, i'm doing it because it really has to be done. he's bad. he's a bad, bad -- he's a bad, bad guy. that's been proven now with all of the emails and the texts. i'm doing something that has to be done. >> all right. that's gotten a lot of traction online, whether or not people think that, okay, now this makes the first lady vulnerable for prosecutors who want to question her. does it? >> no. no. >> okay. >> i don't think prosecutors are that interested in what she has to say and not because its disrespectful, it's just a throwaway comment of his. that doesn't strike me as what would technically happen. i find that unlikely. what i see in this whole conversation is a president who's become unhinged because he is so pressured with what's going on in the house now that the house is finally reared its soul and returned to actually doing its oversight. he's got all kinds of problems
with his taxes, with the kushner clearance, with allen weisselberg being interviewed. that's what i see coming out of this but not subpoena for the first lady. >> and danny, he did try to downplay as well his -- his the investigations into his finances and in case you've been watching tv over the last two hours, this is not taped. this is live. the president at 2:15 eastern time would have hit the two hour mark. this is putin-esque in the length of this speech right now. but during that speech, danny, i think it was maybe hour one he tried to downplay the investigations into his finances but it really is an important one the southern district investigation, isn't it? >> from the beginning i have said that the southern district of new york investigation poses a far greater threat to trump than the robert mueller investigation primarily because the mueller investigation is limited in scope. the u.s. attorney's office for the southern district of
new york knows no restrictions. it can investigate anything it lawfully finds. so way back when they executed a warrant on michael cohen's home and office, way back last year when michael cohen stood up in court and essentially implicated the president in a crime that he was pleading guilty to that very same day, way back then, we all knew that the southern district of new york posed a more immediate and more tangible threat to the president. after michael cohen's testimony before congress just this week, it still does perhaps even more so because michael cohen is talking and the world is learning what the southern district and the mueller team already knew long ago. >> and he's going to continue to talk. he's expected back on the hill on wednesday. there was an interesting moment from there at the national harbor today that i want to tell you about, a moment of deja vu when president trump riled his base by reliving what sounded like a direct address to russia
that has not aged well in the face of the mueller probe. here's a listen. >> if you tell a joke, if you're sarcastic, if you're having fun with the audience, if you're on live television with millions of people and 25,000 people in an arena, and if you say something like, russia, please if you can get us hillary clinton's emails, please, russia, please! >> so the president there referencing comments that he made back in 2016, we all saw it, we all heard it, it was during the campaign. those comments that our own katie turr pressed him on. let's play back that exchange from 2016 before i get your reaction on this. >> it would be interesting to see. i will tell you this, russia, if you're listening, i hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing.
i think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press. let's see if that happens. that will be next. >> do you have any qualms by asking a foreign government to interfere, to hack into a system of anybody's in this country -- >> let the president talk. >> no, no. you just called for a moment ago, you said the russians -- >> he has no respect. >> you said i welcome them to find those 30,000 emails. >> they'd probably have them. >> does that not give you pause? >> it gives me no pause. >> so katie, joining us now on the phone and you heard what the president said today and you know very well that exchange that you went back and forth there, he said it was a joke at the time so does that make you a heckler back in 2016? >> i guess. he's joking about -- i'm making a joke in front of 25,000 people at a rally and millions of people watching on television, this wasn't a rally. this was a news conference in the middle of a democratic
national convention. usually other presidential candidates go down and go dark for that time and allow their rivals to have their moment in the spotlight. donald trump did not do that in 2016. he came out in the middle of the dnc and he held a press conference to try and take news coverage away from hillary clinton and while he was in there he started to address the hack of the dnc emails. then he went off and seemingly out of nowhere, russia, if you're listening, i'd love for you to find the emails. immediately i will pressed him on it. you just watched in the clip. are you joking about this, basically, is what i said? and he said, no, i'm not joking about it. so for donald trump to try and rewrite history here, it's just more of what he always does. i didn't mean what i said. they tried to rewrite it in the moment and part of the reason he's doing that is because of all of the attention that this moment continues to get. michael cohen brought attention to it just the other day on wednesday when he was talking
about donald trump having a phone call with roger stone where roger stone gave him allegedly a heads up that the -- that jewel yan assange and wikileaks was going to release more emails so that moment is back in the spotlight. it was in the spotlight in the mueller filing last year when mueller indicted 13 russians and two corporations after finding out that that very day, july 27, 2016, after donald trump said russia, if you're listening, that those russian hackers did -- were listening and they did try to hack into hillary clinton's emails. so this is a pivotal moment. donald trump is now trying to claim he's joking, but we have it all on tape. he was not joking. >> any idea why he's trying to change the narrative on that conversation that you had with him in 2016? >> because it could potentially be harmful to him. >> all right. >> simple. >> simple as that. katie, joining us there. i can imagine -- were you floored when you did hear the president say, it was a joke, when you were watching cpac?
>> i was -- i found out on twitter. i got to be honest. i was not watching cpac on saturday afternoon. i saw it on twitter. i got a good fact check i can throw out there. >> our thanks to katie on that. a.b. stotter, i want to bring you in on this. it could potentially be important and dangerous when it comes to the entire russia investigation, is that why this is changing a little bit? >> oh, i definitely agree. look, let's start with the end of the mueller investigation and its findings. we don't know what a narrative they're going to weave together with what evidence. there's a series of events that people are looking at that calls into question whether or not people around president trump then candidate trump were colluding with the russians. roger stone and paul manafort, paul manafort a convention expert who was hired reportedly to get him the delegates to win the nomination. he gets the platform changed to
the kind of language on ukraine that the russians would prefer. that raises some eyebrows. president trump says what we just played, the dnc emails are released. it throws the entire democratic national convention into complete chaos, a whole bunch of staffers leave. the chair womwoman has to step . the bernie voters and delegates are irate and they lose the way its explained to me a serious stability within their infrastructure to actually manage a general election campaign from august to november because of the fact that everything was turned upside down by this hacking and all of the strive that resulted. if you look at the series of events and we end up learning later on that roger stone and manafort were actually colluding with wikileaks and other russians, then that becomes material and i think that's why he's trying to change the story on it now to say it's basically nothing. >> very interesting indeed. we have a lot to unpack right
now. take a look at those live pictures from national harbor because at 2:15 eastern which is it is right now, we have hit the two hour mark and i do believe that might very well be the record for the longest presidential speech from this particular president that we've heard. what is he talking about right now? can we tap in really quickly? >> that our ancestors fought to secure with all of their heart -- >> we're at the ancestors. hang in there. another 200 years to go. the domino affect of michael cohen's congressional testimony and he's not done. how it could all spell more trouble for that president who's filibustering the folks in national harbor? so, we re-imagined the razor with the new gillette skinguard. it has a unique guard between the blades. that's designed to reduce irritation during the shave.
ladies and gentlemen -- >> the president just wrapped up and spent a lot of time talking about a number of different topics and a number of different people. there were chants about locking up hillary clinton, spoke about mueller and comey. one name that he didn't mention too much, michael cohen. of course, his former fixer, cohen will be back on the hill next week spilling a whole lot of tea behind closed doors. his former fixer and lawyer has revealed so many secrets and has laid out a complicated web of figures, all of them tied to trump's political and financial dealings and now felix seder, a new name, who worked on the
trump tower/moscow project will appear before that same committee on march 14th, not a new name but new now. the trump's organization chief financial officer allen weisselberg will also be called. a.b. stoddard is back with us as well as kimberly atkins. so danny, let's start with you. congressional investigators are looking to hear from cohen on march 6th. they have brought him back. they say there is some new evidence or information that he revealed over the last couple of days, last few days that he's been on the hill that made them want to bring him back. what could that possibly be? >> it could relate to anything to do with felix seder, it could relate to some of the alleged crimes that cohen talked about, but i wouldn't be surprised if
it related possibly to russia or to president trump's other supposed alleged crimes that michael cohen has talked about. it's really hard. it's a lot of guess work because it's close door and a lot of this stuff is still opaque from the rest of us. >> i say it's a new name but we haven't heard that name in a long while. it's a critical name and why is it important for them to hear from him, felix seder? >> he could corroborate cohen on the russia moscow tower deal. he could have information that we might consider prior consistent statements on what cohen told them about the kids' involvement and that's very important to don junior's testimony and possible perjury. he could talk with us about what the russians were thinking as they were doing this deal. he comes before allen weisselberg who's unscheduled, that's another way of saying,
we're leaving him because maybe he's going to end up being a subject of the investigation. >> like allen weisselberg could be the closer in all of this. >> i don't know if he's the closer, but he's got the immunity. we could agree off camera he would take the fifth. all his documents are going to be very devastating. it looks to me that we're looking at tax fraud pretty quickly from these documents. >> let's talk about the political implications for trump and his legal team that they may face with cohen's allegations about the trump tower project, a.b.? >> what was interesting in the testimony last week was that the democrats really failed to draw out from michael cohen just what happened to his testimony when it was altered by white house lawyers. he did say that he wasn't really in the room for this. he submitted his testimony. it included a lie about the date of the end of the negotiations or discussions on the trump tower/moscow project. he named jay sekulow and abby lowell and when they asked are
the changes substantive, he said i'll have to get back to you. i think it's very material that we find out that the lawyers were snookered by michael cohen and the president and didn't know they were dealing with testimony that they then altered further or if they were in on as cohen was describing this sort of messaging about russia that there was no -- you know, the trump collusion/russia message, basically. it was eliminated in a relationship and no business involvement and whatever led michael cohen to lie. i would like to know more about that going forward whether or not the lawyers were lied to or they were in on it and i think that we learned from that testimony also that there's a lot that michael cohen can't tell us about because he is involved in another sdny investigation that has to do with his final conversation with president trump that would be around june, two months after the raid on his office, hotel
and home in which they had some discussion that's very important. it's likely about his past financial dealings and that becomes politically very difficult because it means there's an investigation that could further harm trump. >> it's clear he continues to talk with the sdny. kimberly, i want to get you in on this and how's the white house dealing with the fallout from the capitol hill testimony of michael cohen? >> you can look at the president's twitter feed and think that it obviously landed well. the president didn't mention michael cohen today, but he clearly was -- went on a twitter rant against michael cohen immediately after. twitter feed is a pretty accurate predictor of what the president is thinking -- >> does that surprise you? he spoke for two hours and barely, barely mentioned that investigation and michael cohen. he covered a number of topics. >> yeah. >> what does that say about what exactly is going on there? >> it doesn't surprise me that much. clearly, what we saw today was
what the president is hoping to bring in 2020. he is trying to gal vannize his base to gather up support and rally the troops as he moves forward not only toward his re-election but toward what we will be one of the most difficult political periods of his presidency which is the ongoing investigations by house committees and also the mueller report, which is imminent at this point. we are seeing him -- this was a political speech. he was bringing out -- the conversation you had earlier about melania maybe being a witness now. he said melania because he knows melania is popular among that crowd. just a couple years ago, he couldn't fill the room at cpac, now it's a multi-day trump rally and he was coming out and giving the folks what he thought they wanted to hear. >> they were looking at him with a side eye when he went to cpac, i don't know if he's one of us. now he's welcomed there and speaking for some two hours and he did start the chant earlier
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the road to the white house was a snow filled path through a hometown for one of the democratic front-runners today. a familiar face looking to reig knit the -- reignite the burn by getting personal. >> as we launch this campaign for president, you deserve to know where i came from -- >> we're soon going to need a bigger tv monitor to capture all the candidates. take a look at the dizzying array of hopefuls right now. 11 of them in the race for the major parties as you can see. and many others expected to join the race very soon, so how does senator bernie sanders fit into this diverse field as we wait a decision from two other undecided heavyweights. we have an amazing panel to break that down for us. let's get right to beth fuy who
is at the rally. and a few people actually realize that bernie's a boy from brooklyn and kicked off the campaign there with hits roots in mind. >> reporter: yeah. it was a big embracive brooklyn. he walked into the rap tune, brooklyn go hard. he had all these students and other people from brooklyn college where he did attend college for one year before he transferred to the university of chicago. he talked a lot about this small little apartment where he grew up, how his parents struggled for money. his father never really was successful. he sold paint but the family was always struggling financially and he said to this crowd that that was really what informed his passion for economic justice. he also took the fight directly to president trump, however. he wasn't just going to talk about his own roots. he wanted to talk about where president trump came from. he too a new york boy but from queens and very different financial circumstances than bernie sanders and senator sanders made a big point of that here at this rally. >> now it is true i did not have
a father who gave me millions of dollars to build luxury skyscrapers, casinos and country clubs, but i had something more valuable. i had the role model of a father who had unbelievable courage in journeying across an ocean with no money in his pocket to start a new and better life. >> reporter: so there you heard senator sanders talking about his family which he didn't do too much in 2016. another thing he's doing that's different is really leaning in on race. he had several african-american speakers ahead of him who introduced him, talking about senator sanders activism in the civil rights movement. tomorrow's he's going down to alabama to commemorate the bloody sunday march which is a very big march in the history of the civil rights movement, kendis. >> he's going to be in chicago
and appear for another rally. you were there, beth, at the launch event for kamala harris and you were there for elizabeth warren's launch event as well and now, bernie. give me a sense of the different make-up of the crowd. there were a number of young people there at brooklyn college. >> reporter: yeah. he's always been very popular among younger people, college students. there certainly were a lot of those here. we met families and older folks as well. this crowd was also pretty diverse. he was criticized in 2016 for really having an appeal pretty much among white people, you know. brooklyn's a very diverse borough so it's probably one of the reasons we saw a more diverse crowd here. the sanders campaign has made a big point to try to reach out to people of color to diverse given how important african-americans and other minority voters are in the democratic coalition, kendis. >> we do see the pride flag as well waving high there.
i want to bring in my panel. welcome to you all. ozzy, let's start with you here with me. bernie sanders, of course, he had the massive enthusiasm back in 2016. will he be able to replicate that sort of energy or has he been able to so far? >> he has that expectation. one of the things he's done is put up impressive fund-raising numbers. now that's not enough perhaps to win a democratic primary and you're seeing that with him having to come forward with a personal narrative which he didn't do before. he's giving people something new but it's also an acknowledgement that he's competing in a different landscape. in his first run, he was running against hillary clinton. a lot of people know about her personal story and that overshadowed her policies. what bernie sanders is trying to do is be a front-runner, give people something new but he's trying to reach out to more -- a more diverse electorate that he didn't get to before.
>> last time -- her campaign was i'm with her and he was, his was not me, us. different theme indeed this time going around, tiffany. sanders is pushing more of a personal background than policy this time. will people really care? >> yes, i do think people care about personal stories and i think he's going to be a really hard candidate to ignore just to punctuate some of those numbers. he raised $10 million in the first week he announced his candidacy. 40% of those were from new donors. most of those donations were small donors. i think that matters. also, to beth's point about the activist who spoke before him, one of those activist was shawn king. he has a huge following. very influential. he highlights a lot of issues around criminal justice and police brutality, so it matters that he was there. he also has people like killer mike who are still with him on this campaign, so those things
matter. but there's still some challenges he has particularly around communities of color. he has, you know, made comments about stacey abrams and andrew gillum, he punctuates the point that black voters are not a had a mothus group of voters, so he still has work to do. >> pointing out that he's a guy from brooklyn like everybody else. here's another clip from his rally. >> my experience as a child living in a family that struggled economically, powerfully influenced my life and my values. i know where i came from! and that is something i will never forget. >> he's 77 years old. he's been in political life for some four decades. what exactly will he need to do to propel him to the support for
the nomination and possibly even beat trump? >> i think one of the biggest challenge that bernie sanders face is not the voters themselves, it's actually the democratic party. a lot of things going on behind the scenes to make the caucus states less important or less relevant early on, so it's all direct primary which really helps the more elite and establishment kinds of candidates within the party. he's going to continue to butt up against that and that's going to be a real challenge for him as tiffany mentioned, he's clearly getting new donors and getting those low dollar donors. he still resonates there for sure. we're also in this period when all of the candidates are trying to be the most poor, the most humble and the most -- overcame the most challenges. there's going to be a race on that for the next little while. it will be the pivot. the big challenge for bernie this round will be not only can you incite the populist uprising but can you then pivot to governing and policy. >> and bernie's trying to
counter those reports that came out this week from some hillary clinton supporters from way back when that he demanded private jet flights during the campaign there in 2016. thanks ozzy, boyd as well as tiffany. ozzy pointed out, brooklyn go hard, jay-z, another brooklyn board. brooklyn in the house. coming up, all in the family. conflicting statements about the president's role in granting jared kushner top secret security clearance even after it was flagged by some of his closest advisers. >> the president had no involvement pertaining to my clearance or my husband's clearance. be right back. with moderate to severe crohn's disease, i was there, just not always where i needed to be. is she alright? i hope so. so i talked to my doctor about humira. i learned humira is for people who still have symptoms of crohn's disease after trying other medications.
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a national security concern and it's right in the oval office. the house oversight committee demanding documents and witness interviews from the white house by monday and two days regarding its security clearance process. the reason behind all of this, this damning new report that the president order john kelly to give top-secret clearance to his son-in-law and senior adviser jared kushner. by doing so the president overruled concerns flagged by intelligence officials, white house counsel don mcgahn as well as his former chief-of-staff, kelly himself, this according to four people that have been briefed on the matter. the president previously denied that he had anything to do with the decision. joining me right now the national security expert and
attorney mark zeig. how troubling was this report when you heard it? >> it was very troubling. we've never seen a president of the united states actually intervening to revoke or grant someone's security clearance, much less a family member. >> the "times" reporting that the white house counsel's office recommend kushner not be grant that had top-secret clearance. the mere fact we're also hearing about possible internal memos from john kelly saying, my name's bennett and i ain't in it. what does that say? >> it's very troubling. look, this security clearances are generally always granted, approved, revoked, whatever it might be by security professionals. it is certainly been in the past where you've had cabinet members or political appointees who have disagreed with the decision usually somebody on their immediate staff and they might be vocal about it to the
security professionals, but they end up deferring to them and in this case we seem to have not just two professional -- not just one, but two. the cia, which granted or would have granted his sci and the white house security office which would have handled his top secret. to have the chief-of-staff and apparently the white house counsel both internally memorialize that they have concerns about this is an incredible red flag and that's why, obviously, congress is looking in to it. >> i do want to let you hear what the president said just a matter of weeks ago about all of this to the "new york times." >> did you tell general kelly or anyone else in the white house to overrule security officials? >> no. i don't think i have the authority to do that. >> you do. >> i wouldn't -- i wouldn't do it. jared's a good -- i was never involved with his security. i know that he just from reading
that there were issues back and forth about security for -- for numerous people, actually, but i don't want to get involved in that stuff. >> the president saying that he had nothing to do with it, kellyanne conway was talking with my colleague garret hague at the cpac conference there in national harbor and said that it was within the president's authority if he chose to do it to do it, so why would they be lying about it? >> the two takeaways from that interview. one, what we're always so used to now, for whatever reason, the president, if the story is true, has lied about something and rather than directly dealing with it, he created a larger story because now we're talking about the fact that he also lied about it. more importantly, he absolutely has the absolute authority to grant or revoke someone's security clearance. it is clear in his constitutional power. the fact that he doesn't know
that is actually to those of us in the national security community, i think that blows us away even more so. how do you not know that as president of the united states what the parameters of your powers are? so this story is incredibly troubling on many levels and the house government reform committee will look in to it. i caution them not to violate, frankly, jared kushner's privacy. i wouldn't want any of my clients privacy rights violated on security clearances, but this is an oversight responsibility they have and they should exercise it. >> add that to one of numerous investigations the oversight committee has as well as many other congressional committees. national security expert attorney mark acider, thanks. first it was putin and now kim jong-un. does president trump have a habit of believing foreign dictators? at panera, we treat soup differently. with vine ripened tomatoes, signature cheddar, simmered to perfection. with big flavors, not artificial ones.
reverberating. his nearly two minute response where he essentially absolved the north korean leader for the imprisonment and subsequent death of 22-year-old american otto warmbier. >> i don't believe that he would have allowed that to happen. it just wasn't to his advantage to allow that to happen. in those prisons and camps, you have a lot of people and some really bad things happened to otto, some really, really bad things, but he tells me, he tells me that he didn't know about it and i will take him at his word. >> warmbiers parents releasing the following statement, we have been respectful during the summit process. now we must speak out. kim and his evil regime are responsible for the death of our son otto. kim and his evilegime are responsible for unimaginable cruelty and inhumanity. no excuses or lavish praise can change that. the emphasis on kim there twice in that statement. joining me now is msnbc contributor and washington editor for the atlanta.
sue, let's start with you. what was it that you think the president was trying to get across there by in essence coddling to kim jong-un even after this summit had gone wrong? >> i think he is still not giving up hope of negotiating with kim, that's why it's his way of trying not to criticize kim because kim is very sensitive to human rights criticisms, but this is a travesty. north korea is a gross human rights violator. this is not only -- the united nations came up with 400 page report several years ago talking about how north korea commits crime against humanity and north korea's human rights record is unparalleled. there's no other comparison in a contemporary world except nazi germany. he didn't have to necessarily, maybe, you know, go as far as to praise kim jong-un, call him a friend, talking about special relationship. being in love with world's dictator -- >> this is a guy who's a
dictator -- >> we get that he wants to not criticize kim, but he didn't need to praise kim in this way. >> you can imagine why it became so hurtful for the warmbier family. >> absolutely. >> as they heard that in the early morning hours in ohio. steve, why the constant friendship and why this president always seem to take the word of foreign dictators? of course, he said he took putin at his word and took mbs at his word after the killing of an american resident and now, yet again, there with kim jong-un. what's going on? >> if you do a text analysis of donald trump's tweets and things he said about autocratic leaders around the world, he admires them. he looks at them as the model of what i think he fantasizes about doing and i think it's, you know, very deep with him, that he looks at these folks not in the way that sue just said as gross violators of civil justice rights of other people.
there's a certain element of admiration there. the other element of it, we know that president trump does not trust or even like his intelligence bureaucracies, his diplomats, his defense folks and by saying this, he's defying them yet again and they're own analyses of these leaders. >> the president tried to walk it back. here's a tweet that he lobbed out there. i never liked being misinterpreted but especially when it comes to otto warmbier and his great family. remember, i got otto out along with three others. the previous administration did nothing and he was taken on their watch. of course, i hold north korea responsible. doesn't, given the opportunity, it doesn't say i take kim jong-un responsible for otto. >> exactly even if kim did not mean for otto to die but the north koreans want to keep american as leverage, what happened was after otto fell into coma. he could have released him right
away, not hold on to him for a year and not release him because he knew he was going to die. >> he knew that otto was in prison, right? >> absolutely, absolutely, absolutely. >> thank you, both. still ahead, it is tax season and democrats are going after the president's taxes. how michael cohen's testimony may have laid the ground work for their next investigation. ♪ your grace. your majesty. your king. a legacy of leaders, speeders and serpent feeders. the alfa romeo giulia, stelvio and c37. but how do i know if i'm i'm getting a good deal? i tell truecar my zip and which car i want
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brothers and sisters, we are going to win this election, not because we have a super pac funded by billionaires. we're going to win this election because we are putting together the strongest grassroots campaign in the history of american politics. >> it is deja vu all over again, or is it? senator bernie sanders rallied supporters in his home borough of brooklyn, but how will the senator stand out the second time around as he faces a crowded field of contenders? we'll delve into that with the panel in just a moment. but first, senior political editor beth fuoy joins us live from brooklyn where senator bernie sanders spoke just a few moments ago.
bernie 2.0, what's that about? >> reporter: well, in a lot of ways bernie 2.0 is not that different from bernie 1.0. it was vintage sanders. he talked about economic justice. he talked about the millionaires and the billionaires and the 1%. he talked about many of his ideas that have been adopted by other candidates in the field as you mentioned, kendis, it's a very big crowded field this time. things like medicare for all, things like tuition-free college, things like raising the minimum wage to $15 an hour, things that he's championed for many, many years and other democrats are starting to embrace a little bit more who wholehearted wholeheartedly. he did really embrace race in a more explicit way than he has in the past. his campaign in 2016 against hillary clinton was unsuccessful largely because he was not able to attract a lot of african-american voters who are so important in the democratic primary process. he really leaned in on race and spoke more exclusive about his
history in the civil rights movement. he had a lot of black supporters introducing him on the stage before he spoke. the other thing he did was own his childhood ands background and his back story, his buyography, if you will. he wanted to talk about the differences between himself and donald trump in terms of their backgrounds. donald trump's being not far away from here in queens but relatively lavish, quite lavish by comparison. he also spoke out against what he said president trump was doing to the country, to the fabric of the country, which he said that he wants to repair. take a listen. >> donald trump wants to divide us up based on the color of our skin, based on where we were born, based on our gender, based
on our religion or our sexual orientation. what we are about is doing exactly the opposite, we're going to bring our people together. >> reporter: so, what's interesting about this, i think, is he's taken the fight right to president trump. bernie sanders is acting as though doesn't have perhaps as many as a dozen or 15 opponents in the democratic primary. he's talking about going right to being president trump's opponent in 2020, so this is a very different message than he had in 2016 where he was really running as the underdog. he's stepping out and owning the fact that, at least at this point in time, he is probably the leading candidate on the democratic field just because of his name recognition, his money and the power of that base that he had from 2016 taking him into this race, kendis. >> a very different tactic than kamala harris and amy klobuchar
took. he raised some $6 million within the first 24 hours of announcing that he was running again. the fund-raising will be key for him this time around as well, right? >> reporter: he's got an absolutely unparalleled online presence. he's got more small donors than probably any political candidate ever has and he is going to put that to very strong advantage. that's a huge, huge advantage he's got over all these other democrats in the field. the only one who comes close is somebody else who hasn't quite gotten into the race yet and that's beto o'rourke. we think he's likely to join the race. he too has a very broad based national funding raising as well. bernie sanders steps out with a major advantage because of that, kendis. >> you do get a sense that based on the timing, next weekend we might be talking about beto in a rally. i want to bring in my panel right now. josh aaron, rina shaw and ayesha
moody mills. welcome to you all. josh, let's start with you. what lessons has the sanders' campaign learned from 2016? >> well, a lot of it did sound the same but as beth was saying, the use of his own personal narrative to draw contrast with donald trump is important and is new. i think that what bernie showed is that he can emphasizize with the challenges that people face and donald trump was born with a silver spoon in his mouth and can't. if you can get into that and connect that with the policy differences, that the beginnings of a good argument to make. bernie knows right now he's the front-runner and acting like the front-runn front-runner, doesn't make him the favorite. one of the most, if not the most important things to democratic primary voters, is who's the best candidate to take on-donald trump and a lot of what you heard bernie say today is geared
toward that message and telling voters that he's the best candidate for that. >> that is the rub. many are wondering if sanders is someone who can really challenge the president. do you think that the president is worried about sanders or saying, bring it on? >> donald trump is not at all worried about bernie sanders because he thinks he can take on bernie sanders and win handedly. bernie has been down this road before and americans do not -- they're not quick to give their vote whether in a primary or in a general to someone who's done this before. now in this moment where you have such a personality like trump, someone who's been so divisi divisive, you need somebody that's fresh and somebody that has the stamina to take it on. bernie is out of touch. he takes private jet, a lot of what he talks about is just not what he represents. the people he gets the votes from, he doesn't really connect
with them. he may be able to empathize but i don't think he's able to understand the issues that plague them. >> 11 candidates so far, very diverse crowd. is that an advantage or disadvantage for dems as they look to the general election? >> i think it's always good when we have more people in the process who are having conversations. i want to go back to something that you alluded to around the diversity and the factor that bernie leaned into race more this time. these candidates know that literally the pathway to getting this nomination is to be extremely authenticate and engaging with african-american communities as well as the latino communities as well. in those early states, those voters are going to matter to the outcome of those elections. it's interesting to me now the way that bernie is leaning in because he said some things that have actually been antagonistic around quote/unquote, identity politics and certainly trying not to see race. i'm curious how he's going to
resonate and is he going to fill like an authentic guy when it comes down to talking to various communities of color. >> rinna, you alluded to it right there. there was a report about bernie sanders and his actions during the 2016 campaign and having to take a private jet when he would campaign for hillary clinton, the folks on the view" asked him about it, here's a listen. >> we're hearing about a lot of democratic candidates who are meeting with hillary clinton for advice, though, people like amy klobuchar, do you think you'll do the same? >> i suspect not. she has not called me. we have differences, you know. hillary has played a very important role in modern american politics. >> but you're not interested in any advice from her? >> i think not. >> josh, you were part of that campaign, the hillary clinton campaign. it seems as if there's no love lost between those two campaigns still some two years later. >> i currently work for bernie staffers, i am friends with bernie staffers, i'm sure i know
people that are going to work for him now and we all just need to work together and put 2016 behind us. i think hillary has said that she is open to helping anyone who is running and give them advice. she has lived through this. it is a good place to seek guidance on what it's like to run against donald trump, whether you'll take the advice or not, that's up to you. i do think it's important that we are all unified and working together and we have a healthy debate during this primary but we should do that without relitigating the battles of 2016. >> nothing like looking forward, indeed. you had another candidate who put their toe in the pond today this week, the governor of washington, the last polling i saw that he's polling at zero. that said, jim carter some years and years ago at this point was polling at one in a crowded field and came back up.
you understand why so many people even though they're polling so low are still getting into the race? >> i think that folks are getting into the race because they have something to say. they have a vision for leadership in america and i think that that's a good thing. let's remember, what happened last time in 2016 was that bernie sanders didn't get the nomination, but the consequence of bernie sanders being in the race is that the democrats are having some policy discussions that they might not have otherwise had and so i think that governor inslee is saying we need to care for our planet, we need to talk about climate change and we need solutions and we need to put that front and center in the conversation. he believes in it and so him participating is an opportunity for him to talk about that and for him to get everybody else talking about that. i don't think that's a bad thing. i don't think competition's a bad thing. i think lack of authenticity is what's a bad thing and going to hurt people. >> thanks to all of you. i see you nodding and agreeing a little bit there. still ahead, talk about long winded, for two plus hours, president trump went on the
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these people are sick. unfortunately, you put the wrong people in a couple of positions and they leave people for long time that shouldn't be there and all of a sudden, they're trying to take you out with bull [ bleep ]. >> there you have it. the president going on an expletive laced rant against russia investigation as his former legal fixer michael cohen is ready to spill some more of his secrets wednesday on capitol hill. cohen has been laying out a complicated web of figures, all of them tied to trump's political and financial dealings and now house democrats are launching new probes and there are investigating into his virtually every organization that trump has led. cohen has drawn a clear road map toward impeachment, some democrats are still pumping the brakes. >> i want to proceed very cautiously, but isn't it interesting that not one person, not one person on our side even
mentioned the word impeachment. not one. >> i'm not going into that. i'm not going into that. >> i think we've got to be cautious about it. impeachment is the most serious thing that you can do in american democracy, so it's not ever something that you can take lightly. >> we have a team of guests to talk about this right now but first let's head out to mike viqueira at the white house. the president has finally made it back there to the white house, mike. what else did the president have to say about the whole russia investigation at the cpac conference? >> reporter: that was epic, kendis. >> the longest speech ever by the president. >> reporter: two hours and two minutes, an epic stream of consciousness. here's a brief list of all of the perceived enemies that the president went after. james comey, robert mueller, jeff sessions, rod rosenstein, adam schiff, gavin newsom, stacey abrams, jameis madison, house democrats who he called enemies and who hate our country
and he says that is something that is very, very sad. on the russia front, remember, it was back in july 27th 2016, at that press conference in the campaign, russia if you're listening, i hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing. today a little bit of revisionism from president trump. he said the media's always taking me out of context. i was joking when i said that. let's listen to a little bit more of what the president had to say on that topic. >> russia, please, if you can get us hillary clinton's emails! please, russia! please! when i fired comey, i said, you know, first lady, i said, melania, i'm doing something today -- i'm doing it because it really has to be done. he's bad. he's a bad, bad -- he's a bad, bad guy. that's been proven now with all of the emails -- >> reporter: okay. of course, that was greeted from
a chant at cpac of the trump faithful of, you guessed it, lock her up. on the james comey firing, a bit of revisioning. he told our lester holt that he did have russia in mind as you know when he fired comey. >> why did he take on james madison, the president? >> reporter: i don't know. he had a laudatory words for andrew jackson. >> not much to say about michael cohen himself, which is what a lot of people are picking up. how's the white house responding to that testimony and the fact that michael cohen will be back there on capitol hill in just a matter of days? >> reporter: the president referred to what's happening on the house side as collusion delusion. they're moving on now after collusion because in the president's estimation they haven't found any collusion. we don't know that for a fact yet. we're waiting on robert mueller
and his report if we ever learn what's in his report. there are a number of investigations ongoing and with the white house is essentially doing is either stonewalling or delaying for time. we had elijah cummins who has another investigation into the clearance process, security clearance process. jared kushner in the "new york times" report over the last 24 hours or so is revealed that president trump interfered with that and gave him that highest clearance over the objections of his chief-of-staff and the white house lawyer. a number of investigations ways and means is looking into his tax returns, felix seder, the president's business partner when it comes to russia also involved as well, kendis. >> so much to keep track on right there. i should point out james madison wrote the constitution, the father of the constitution. he did some good things for our country. >> and the federalist papers too. >> absolutely. we could go on and on about the fourth president. mike viqueira there at the white house. our thanks to you. joining me now is former
new york democratic congresswoman elizabeth holtzman. she voted on impeachment proceedings against nixon. elizabeth is also the author of the great book, "the case for impeaching trump" and katie rogers and guy lewis. he served as the director of the executive office for united states attorney's in washington, d.c. providing guidance and oversight for all 93 u.s. attorneys. an all-star group right here with me on set. let's start with you, elizabeth, and house and ways -- the house intelligence committee, by the way, is going to have michael cohen back there behind closed door. they say they learned some new information in the last meeting that they had with him that said that they need to have him back. what could that possibly be? >> well, it probably has something to do with russia and maybe the deals with russia. could be some other countries that he has deals with. we don't really know a lot about
trump's business activities. they've only come out in dribs and drabs. you can be sure congress is going after it and that's really why president trump doesn't like madison, because madison was in favor of balance of powers, of separation of powers, gave congress the power to check the president. that's a big no, no from trump. >> it all does come -- >> let's be real now about what irritates him. >> it all does come full circle there in the meantime. guy, what's the most troubling investigation right now for the president? >> wow, that's a tough one. >> i'm sorry, which of the 17 -- how much time do we have, yes? >> if you take a step back, let's take a step back, at least from what we know now, he has 500, no less than 500 llcs limited liability corporations that are running his businesses, his golf courses, his -- his cars, his assets, his planes.
everything contained therein and we know also that cohen, his personal lawyer and allen weisselberg, the cfo of the trump organization are two primary witnesses. weisselberg six months ago i was saying beware, if i'm the lawyer for president trump, beware, beware, this is the cfo, the guy who knows where the money came from and where it went and the southern district of new york prosecutors have provided him immunity. listen, immunity's not for free. you get immunity for knowing about bad things and so that's what president trump really, really has to be worrying about right now. >> katie, you covered the white house there every day, day in and day out, what are you hearing as far as their reaction to the possible talk that the democrats in the case of the democrats have been putting about impeachment, many of the main democrats are saying, no, no, we're not talking about
impeachment, but you did get a sense in the cohen hearing just last week that they're trying to build a case for congress? >> i think -- but you also get a sense that on the republican side of things that they're really isn't a growing opposition to the president and i think that that is what the president and the white house is intently focused on, the president's approval rating, his unshakeable base. his numbers have stayed very strong. the idea that the white house has that this is all just noise and a needless attack, you could make the case that that has been an effective argument on their part. now you see the president go out today and give a record breaking marathon of a speech saying everything about anything, but not michael cohen. i got the admission there is more telling than anything the white house is saying. >> yeah. that was really the interesting thing. michael cohen, by the way, the only time the president did refer to cohen within the last
few days at the press conference after that failed summit in hanoi, he mentioned, he said nothing about collusion. here's what cohen said about collusion. >> questions have been raised about whether i know of direct evidence that mr. trump or his campaign colluded with russia. i do not. i want to be clear, but i have my suspiciouses. there's just so many dots that all seem to lead to the same direction. >> you hear there that's the thing that the president has picked up on. why is it that he's picked up on those particular things as opposed to all the other possible things that were troubling that michael cohen said about him? >> there's some real truth about connections with russia and we may ultimately be able to prove a conspiracy with russia. the fact that the president says witch-hunt and no collusion, what lie is this?
8,599? the point is that manafort was just found by a judge in washington, d.c., a federal district court judge to have lied about his -- his conversations with a russian tie to the military intelligence agencies and apparently gave this guy polling data. well, come on. we also know that and now it seems as though there's more proof about other instances of connection with russia, so even michael cohen talked about the fact that he thought -- it's not proof, he thought that don junior had told don senior about this meeting at trump tower. the idea there's no collusion, there is collusion. does it amount to a crime? who knows? could it be an impeachable defense? possibly. what's happening now is the democrats are building a case
that could result in impeachment. we have a president who's abuse of powers of his office, who's lying and covering up. we don't know yet all the things he's covering up, but the cover-up itself could become a ground for impeachment as it was with nixon. >> you have all these people that are saying that mueller is wrapping up. it must be a california burrito sized wrap at this point if that's the case. our thanks to you. katie, guy and elizabeth is going to stay with us. still ahead, thanks dad. how far did the president go to get his son-in-law a top secret security clearance?
nepotism and special treatment, the questions asked by lawmakers on the house oversight committee. they're now demanding documents and witness interviews from the white house by monday on its process for issuing security clearances. all of this follows this explosive "new york times" report that president trump ordered his previous chief-of-staff, john kelly, to issue top-secret clearances to his son-in-law and senior adviser jared kushner. the move ignored objections from intelligence officials and white house counsel don mcgahn who's now gone. this according to four people
who were briefed on the matter. the president has denied having anything to do with kushner's clearance. let's bring in former fbi assistant director and national security analysis frank figusi and former special assistant to president obama chris liu and legal analyst back about me cynthia oxny. frank, let's start with you. kushner is said to have needed to make a number of updates to his disclosure forms. have you ever heard of anyone needing to do that and still be granted security clearances at the top level? >> well, a few clarifications, a few corrections, recalling certain foreign trips, oh, you know, on that last cruise i took i stopped in the bahamas and i for got to put that down, certainly, but dozens and dozens and dozens of corrections, many of which have to be made only after you've been reminded of this business entanglement and
that trip and this trip and that visit and this business pitch you made to that foreign representative, no. the answer is no, but more importantly, what i've never seen is a couple of white house officials, the chief-of-staff and white house counsel feeling compelled that they had to go in writing as reported and say that they were ordered to give kushner a clearance over the recommendations of the investigating agencies. that's something that is unprecedented in my experience and something that congress is very legitimately going to need to look in to. >> you do get a sense they were trying to show their recipients or making sure there were receipts in case it came up. ivanka trump was recently interviewed about the security clearance issue. here's what she had to say. >> the president had no involvement pertaining to my clearance or my husband's clearance. >> what were the problems early on? >> there weren't any. >> no special treatment?
>> no. >> so based on the reporting, ivanka's there caught lying in that interview, why do you think that she was trying to hide this from the american people? >> why are they trying to hide any of this, let's be honest. it's not only the improper granting of the clearances, the fact that the president has lied about it, ivanka trump has lied about it and the white house really hasn't come up with a response since then. they've simply said they're not going to address this issue. what's important is that, this may very well not just be jared kushner. nbc's own reporting from january said that kushner was one of just -- one of at least 30 individuals in the trump administration who were granted clearances despite unfavorable information that would have been a black mark and those people were overruled by political appointees and so it's important to understand, not only what happened with kushner, but who are these other 30 people and what was the unfavorable information that caused career security professionals to
recommend they not get clearances? >> and that's the question there for cynthia. what could have been the issues necessarily that jared kushner has as part of his cv or part of his -- hidden that these career officials have said, no, no, no? >> he didn't put down the june meeting with the russians. >> at the trump tower. >> at the trump tower. he did not put down all of the foreign entanglements with the saudis and the money. he didn't put down that he had met with kislyak. he didn't put down that he tried to do a back channel way to communicate with the russians that was outside of the united states way. it's outrageous that this man has access to american secrets. i can't believe it. not only that, then they lie about it and the house has been trying to get this information for months and they are stonewalling and not giving it. you'll notice that even in the white house now the people who work in the white house are not even defending this. they're just saying we can't talk about the clearances as
opposed to continue to go lie about it. kellyanne conway did the same thing and abby lowell who's a very good lawyer, who is ivanka and jared's lawyer is also saying the same thing. the gig is up on this. they'll have to produce those memos to the house and if cummins doesn't get them pretty soon, there's going to be an eruption. >> frank, for a layperson as myself, when you hear somebody doesn't pass a security clearance at very high level, what is it about that person? does it basically say at the core level that that person can't be trusted with our government secrets? >> so a couple of things. first, it's not really a pass or fail. it's a recommendation that's made to the client, in this case the white house that we just don't recommend a clearance here and that's what's being reported happened. now, why would that happen? because there are vulnerabilities identified that make a person far more likely to be either disloyal or be
recruited or be compromised in some way, shape or form that isn't worth giving him access to our nation's top secrets. we're talking about a top-secret clearance and then compartments within top secret. there have been reports that the cia still refuses to give him the proper compartmented clearance to see cia human information. there's vulnerabilities, compromised and concerns that have been identified. the system is broken whereby the white house can overrule the recommendations. we have no process to deal with this. my hope is that congress takes a deep look at the background investigation and we may learn what the concerns were. >> jared hasn't been dragged in front of congress yet. you get a sense he will be now? >> yes. >> yes. >> thank you. frank, chris and cynthia, thank you all so much. still ahead, keep in touch. what michael cohen's constant contact with the sdny could mean for the white house, the trump organization and the president's
kids. it's officially march, by the way, which means among two things, it's meteorological spring which based on the weather outside it proves the groundhog is a liar. but it's also women's history month. tony harris became the first female position football player to sign a letter of intent. the 22-year-old safety from detroit accepted a scholarship to central methodist university in missouri. her goal is to become the first female nfl player. congratulations and good luck. i'm sure the cleveland browns could use some help.
is there any other wrongdoing or illegal act that you are aware of regarding donald trump that we haven't yet discussed today? >> yes, and again, those are part of the investigation that's currently being looked at by the southern district of new york. >> sdny, those four little letters with potentially large scale consequences for president trump and his family. the president's former fixer acknowledging he's been spilling even more insider details to prosecutors with the southern district of new york. with sdny not bound by the same restrictions as congress, the scope of their investigation could pose an even bigger threat to the president than the mueller probe. joining me now is jeff mason and back with me our white house correspondent kate rogers and guy lee witness.
jeff, let's start with you. i know you're back with vietnam there with the president. how worried should he be about the potential of investigation by the sdny? >> i think it's notable when an ally like chris christie says that that could be more dangerous to him than the mueller report, so i think there seem to be many reasons for him to be worried. i think, you know, the president is pretty transparent sometimes when he gets riled up and you saw from his speech today. he seems riled up. he had a rough week last week. the vietnam summit not leading to a conclusion that he was hoping for. you have the cohen testimony and he's upset and i think that this could be one of the reasons why as well. >> jeff, that interview that you were referring to right there from chris christie, let's take a listen and get the reaction on the other end. >> bob mueller is not what should concern the president or the white house, it's the southern district of new york. what they're doing, i'm confident, is building a case for two things. one, to go after those around
the president who may have committed crimes, and two, to build a case, if they have one, i don't think they have one at the moment, but if -- they're trying to build one against the president for when he leaves office. >> jeff, as you were mentioning right there, that sums up the fear right now for the white house. does it give you a sense -- you follow this white house very well that's consciousness of stream, the two hour talk that the president had today? >> yeah. i did not listen to that full two hour speech so i can't comment specifically on some of the things -- >> it covered a lot. >> it sounds like it did cover a lot, and i just think, you know, if you look at the history of president trump, be it on twitter or speeches like this, be it in events where he, you know, where he lashes out, you see that lashing out when he feels under pressure, when he feels like somebody's on -- pushing him or he's not happy with something that's going on and so i think, you can draw the
conclusion that that's part of what's going on here and i think chris christie's remarks again suggest that it's not only the robert mueller investigation that is on their minds but it's the potential for what could happen with the southern district of new york. >> katie, let's get you in on all of this. our ears perked up on thursday when we thought michael cohen was done and there at 6:00 p.m. eastern time, he shocked us all and he would come back next wednesday. his lawyer lanny davis saying there's some new information that he's found in the last few days that he wants to address to the house intelligence committee with. what could he still have out there to reveal? >> well, i think you could expect him to further detail the -- you know, the information surrounding the trump/moscow project as we know, felix seder, who's a former trump associate, he is expected to also come to the hill and testify later this month about that same project.
as you'll remember, this is actually what cohen got in trouble for lying about the first time around, the timeline about how long this project was going on into the election year. i think that, you know, there's no public information about what he will be telling the intel committee next week, but you can safely bet it's definitely about that project and about other russia related contacts the campaign may have had. >> his sentencing date has been moved back by two months so he has plenty of time to do a lot of talking. guy, let me ask you about elijah cummins who says that he will now seek to try to get interviews with jared kushner as well as his wife ivanka trump. the president has said, if you try to attack his finances. that's a red line, could this be the new red line? >> boy oh, boy, i think so kendis. what more explosive way -- what more aggressive way to go after the president or those around
him than to want to question and put under the microscope the immediate family. as a prosecutor, and i did this for a long time, whenever we were investigating a business person that was one thing, when we notified the lawyer that, hey, we want to talk to the spouse, we want to start looking at how money flowed to and from children, boy oh, boy, that was a big deal and that made a big difference in the way that the target, the target, thought of the investigation. >> the target thought about the investigation. so cohen said that don junior didn't do anything without running it by his father. could this provide some solid reason, jeff, for the question the trump kids? >> for sure. that's one of the key aspects there, the president has said throughout the last couple years as this investigation has gone on and as various accusations
have come out, that he was unaware of the meeting, for example, the russia meeting at trump tower. when you've got somebody that knew the family as well as michael cohen did, knew the president, knew his children as well, saying something like that, that he would run everything by his father, that's something that's going to be checked and that's something that's going to be asked of the president and challenged. >> all right. welcome back from hawaii. katie rogers, thank you as well as guy. still ahead, she's a freshman in congress and she's already facing what could be the biggest test of her political career. how congresswoman veronica escobar plans to be the voice at the border in the fight against the president's wall. if you have postmenopausal osteoporosis and a high risk for fracture now might not be the best time to ask yourself
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border wall. the audience seemed con fruzed between build a wall and finish a wall. during the state of the union trump touted the falling crime rate in the city of el paso, texas, that proof that walls work. but that is not the whole story. philip mena returned to his home town to find out and you caught up with the new congresswoman from your home town, veronica escobar. >> yeah, i did. including our border city. >> was excited to get a chance to go home and cover this. because el paso is a city that is at the heart avenue debate that is barrelize -- paralyzed our nation and i went back to get her view of what is going on in the border and what is next. >> reporter: veronica escobar represents el paso, the at epicenter of the country's immigration debate.
we met at l&j's cafe to discuss her journey. >> grew up close to my family dairy and my family has been here for over a hundred years. i fell connected to el paso city. >> and then there is the sister city jaurez, mexico. >> the border is a place where two worlds are juxtaposed. there are pride and there is hard work and there is perseverance and that is who we are as one community. >> reporter: a community in the spotlight on the night of the state of the union. >> el paso, texas, used to have extremely high rates of violent crime. now with a powerful barrier in place, el paso is one of the safest cities in our country. >> my heart was full. i was feeling so privileged to be there. and then the speech began and
the migrant bashing and the constant attack on border communities that is both demoralizing but also, i have to tell you, invigorating. >> reporter: since taking office she has toured the border and detention centers with her colleagues five times. on a recent saturday she host aid town hall at her alma mater. >> look for big hair. >> what do you remember from that time? >> what do i remember? jaurez. >> when it was easier to come back and forth. >> right. >> your predecessor beto o'rourke, he said recently that he would be willing to go as far as to take down the wall. do you agree with him? >> i do. some kind of fencing, i'm not averse to that. >> what could be done in the meantime. >> one of the most important things we can do is educate the public. the american public needs to decide if this status quo, this kind of governance and this kind of rejection of the constitution
is something that they will tolerate again in 2020. >> just this week congresswoman escobar voted to terminate the president trump's national emergency declaration and the resolution that the president said he will ultimately veto if it does, in fact, get to his desk. >> and it is looking very likely that it will indeed get to his desk. thanks. good to see you. still ahead, trust issues. from vladimir putin to kim jong-un, the president unusual habit of taking their word at face value. aluemy experience wia has been excellent. they really appreciate the military family and it really shows. with all that usaa offers why go with anybody else? we know their rates are good, we know that they're always going to take care of us. it was an instant savings and i should have changed a long time ago. it was funny because when we would call another insurance company, hey would say "oh we can't beat usaa" we're the webber family. we're the tenney's we're the hayles, and we're usaa members for life. ♪ get your usaa auto insurance quote today.
before i head out, want to share an update on someone who warmed our hearts during a -- a difficult time for our country. remember sully. he's enlisted in the u.s. navy and joins dogs at walter reid medical center to provide comfort and cheer to veterans and their families. he was even asked to take an oath that promised unconditional love without the promise of treats or tummy rubs. what? now that is dedication. and to seal the deal, sully even had to shake on it. ever faithful, sully made headlines after bush 41 passed away and stayed there near the casket with the caption on the photo reading mission complete. he does now have a new mission. that will do it for us right now at 2:00 hour, the 3:00 hour,
i'll be back tomorrow at 2:00 p.m. eastern. follow me on instagram and twitter. the news continues right now with my colleague gigi stone. >> thanks, kendis. hello, i'm gigi stone woods live at headquarters in new york. trump dliefring a fiery speech. the longest of his presidency. the russia investigation and the comey firing and hillary clinton's e-mails front and center and calling some members of congress anti-american on the issue of immigration. >> we have people in congress right now, we have people in congress that hate our country. >> and as that is happening, one of the president's fiercest critics bernie sanders kicking off his 2020 campaign in brooklyn into we begin with the child speech inc