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east coast. that's a wrap for me. i'm alex whit. wasn't that a great story with don? >> really cool. a lot of reasons to watch it and now we have lifesaver as an added benefit. >> take it away, my friend. >> have a great sunday. hello, everyone. i'm kendis gibson in new york. we're going to start with this, president trump fighting back. of course you know he went on a rant for two hours plus yesterday. well, now, there are more questions and more investigations that under way. there are several officials today who are talking about dozens of investigations and requests for interviews that will heading his way. just imagine what the president will say once he finds out about what's coming his way. >> i don't have the list in front of me. the list will be released tomorrow over 60 entities, people, et cetera. >> we'll need to talk to some of the banks that have been doing
business with mr. trump, like deutsche bank. we will also want to speak with the accountants, the chief financial officers for the trump organization and others who have information about the moscow trump tower deal, about the issue of money laundering. >> mr. cohen is supposed to be turning over additional records that we've been looking for for some time. we still have not seen many of the major figures, candidly because they've all been involved with the mueller investigation. >> all right, of course this all comes as president trump is proclaiming his innocence. this morning, just as his former legal fixer is ready to spill more tea on the president this week. joining me right now is peter baker, "the new york times" chief washington correspondent and msnbc political analyst, cynthia and harry litman, former u.s. attorney and former deputy assistant attorney general in the clinton administration. cynthia, let's start with you and the question of pardon. there was an interesting exchange that took place during
michael cohen's hearing last week wednesday. let's have you listen to it and get your reaction. >> when was the last communication with president trump or someone acting on his behalf? >> i don't have the specific date, but it was a while ago. >> and what did he or his agent communicate to you? >> unfortunately this topic is actually something that's being investigated right now by the southern district of new york. >> is there any other wrong doing or illegal act that you are aware of regarding donald trump that we haven't yet discussed today? >> yes. and again, those are part of the investigation that's currently being looked at by the southern district of new york. >> going back to the question of pardon and the new reporting in the new york post. >> it could go to that, we don't know. it sent shivers up the spine of the lawyers at the white house. it could be a pardon. it could be i expect how he was coaching him as a witness.
it could be i want you to be quiet. it could be any number of things and we'll have to wait and see. but there isn't any question it was an ominous exchange. >> that indeed. peter, what do we make of the whole rant that the president went on yesterday and yet again today on twitter, talking about he is an innocent man. not sure if you can hear me, peter. talking about the president's rant. what does that say about his mindset right now and where he's at? >> well, i think right now his mindset is pretty tenuous, obviously. coming off a pretty bad week, not only in michael cohen's testimony put a lot of things on public display that, of course, he would just assume not be on display, he disputed and denied. also coming back from vietnam where he had a meeting with north korea's leader without any success despite his promises for, you know, some sort of great breakthrough. and you know, you see other things that must be troubling i think to the white house as well that would be bad for him going into an election year. he sees the opponents now
beginning to rally their troops for a pretty hot election season. they're raising a lot of money. this is a tough week for them. coming into cpac and bathing himself in the adulation of his admirers was probably a good moment for him, pumping back up again. obviously he didn't feel like getting off stage. he wanted to continue for more than two hours. he was having a good time and wanted to get things off his chest. for him it was an opportunity to vent after a tough week. >> harry, in the meantime, of course we heard today from many congressional leaders saying they are putting out requests for some 60-plus documents from different people and requesting interviews with a number of different people. it does seem as if the tentacles of the investigations are now going all over the place. >> yeah. they're long and there are many. it's like a new act in the drama and the staging has completely changed. and we're going to see a series of witnesses kind of as we haven't seen since watergate walking down there raising their right hands. many of them, of course, will be confirming things michael cohen
has said. and they won't have the ability to try to whip them as proven liars. but especially all the financial stuff and the prospect of trump organization, weisselberg, et cetera marching forward i think will be foreboding. i like cynthia's word ominous. he's very agitated and the next couple weeks are going to get worse. >> and of course, he does appear to be feeling the heat. take a listen to him railing against the investigation. >> all of a sudden they're trying to take you out with [ bleep ], robert mueller put 13 of the angriest democrats in the history of our country on the commission. i had a nasty business transaction with robert mueller a number of years ago. when i fired comey, i said, you know, first lady, i said, melania, i'm doing something today. i'm doing it because it really has to be done. >> so peter, what sense do you
get of what's going on inside the white house right now with this president? >> well, i think you're seeing a president who is anticipating a report coming back in the next days perhaps to -- from robert mueller to bill barr setting the land scale so his opponents will dismiss it as simply illegitimate, another expression of the deep state and democrats and liberals out to get him. so no matter what robert mueller comes back with, no matter what bill barr ultimately releases to congress or to the public, you know, in his supporter's minds, he hopes it will be discredited. but you also, i think, see somebody who is feeling under the gun. and this is a very, very dicey moment in his presidency. this is really, you know, where push is going to come to shoef and see whether or not robert mueller has the goods and what the democrats plan to do with it in congress. they're not using the i word right now, impeachment, but they are, in fact, moving forward with jerry nad ler and adam schiff that probe deeply into
things that donald trump doesn't want them to probe deeply into. >> cynthia took note of that just a few moments ago saying that while they might not necessarily be talking impeachment, it does appear they're building this overall case for it. >> right. they take the list of everything they got from cohen and then they decide who they're going to get documents and then they figure out who the people are and then they put an order of that because you don't want to have the most important witness in the beginning. you want the most important witness in the end and build on it. so this is really a week of structuring for the committees, to figure out what's the smartest way to investigate this so that they build on it and get the most information possible. >> what about the investigation, the mueller investigation itself? we're talking a little bit -- at this point, nobody knows what mueller is doing, but you can read the tea leaves. what is it there in d.c. that you guys can read that say, wait, there's work to be done? >> here is a tea leaf that we can read that's a fun tidbit.
there are seal eed indictments the d.c. courthouse and nobody knows who they are. it could be a big drug case or mueller related, it could be a sex crime case. nobody knows. but it's a tea leaf that everybody that likes to read tea leaves is looking at. >> also unusual amount. >> unusual amount, that's correct. >> was that harry? >> yeah. i was just going to say it's a high number. so that's part of what's going on in the overall tea leaf reading. >> harry, is this the sort of thing you expect when an investigation is still wrapping up or it's ending its most important part? >> well, yes and no. it's very interesting how he wants to play the end game assuming we are in the end game. sealed indictments has always been an issue, but look there's a final circle, just around trump of especially family members, kushner and trump jr. especially but possibly ivanka now and it's always been a deep
strategic question how he wants to play it, will that be a final bomb that goes off because he knows that it will promote the ultimate kind of wigging out in the white house. it's hard to imagine, though, it's real distinct unfinished business and one of the first things one turns to when you try to credit the rampant reports that he's about to be done. it's just hard to imagine how it can be done without coming to some closure, you know, win, lose or tie on trump jr. and kushner. >> all right. let's talk about the political ramifications about all of this, however it does pan out. we do have the new nbc washington post polling and shows that 58% of americans believe that president trump has not been honest about the investigation into russian interference in the 2016 election. peter, what do you make of that? if i'm the president and 37%
agree with that, i would feel as if i'm okay, little bit, no? >> well, look, you know, what's interesting is a lot of his own supporters will tell you if you talk to them at rallies and so forth as we do that they understand that the president isn't necessarily telling them 100% precise, accurate truth on a lot of things and it doesn't really matter to them because what they think is he's a truth teller in a larger sense that he is somebody who is breaking china and washington, taking on the elites, taking on the establishment which is only out for itself and against everyday people. so, they're willing to give him some slack when it comes to the precision of his statements about this or that or they assume he might be lying about one aspect of the investigation or another. and then they put that aside because they see, you know, him in a different light. they see him as somebody who is a disrupter and they want there to be some disruption in washington. >> really quickly, guys, starting with you, cynthia, what are you going to be looking for most this week? the manafort hearing, innocencing, number of things.
>> the manafort sentencing is fascinating. judge ellis never liked this case. predictions are he will bring it way down and of course there's nothing like a friday because you never know what's going to happen on friday in mueller world. >> manafort, friday. peter? >> yeah. i think that's right. look, all indications are that something is coming soon. the problem is i think everybody expects mueller is going to produce a report and then we'll get to see it right away. i think a lot of americans are anxious and ready and want to read what he has to say, but that's not the end of the process. it goes to bill barr, the attorney general, and then there's going to be some review by him and his staff before they decide, what, if anything, to make public and that could take a while, days, weeks and then you have a period where there could be leaks in between, very self serving leaks. so i think in a period of uncertainty for a little while until we start to get a definitive picture of what it is robert mueller is going to tell us. >> harry, do you expect some leaks to come out of cohen's testimony behind closed door on
wednesday? >> yeah. well, you know, congress leaks like a sieve. the thing i'm looking most carefully this week is how congress in open session will try to handle weisselberg, that's the allen weisselberg, the cfo of the trump organization the eyes and ears of everything financial. they want him probably next. will he seem immunity? will that be the beginning of a protracted campaign or will he come and begin to tell all as cohen did. that's what i'm focussed to on this week. >> thanks to peter, harry and cynthia. up next, instead of iowa or new hampshire, several presidential hopefuls spent their sunday in alabama. it's not necessarily an early vote state. we'll tell you why. also to be a fly on the wall hillary clinton and bernie sanders got together in the same room in alabama. our live report next. room in al. our live report next ♪ when heartburn hits,
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bernie sanders and hillary clinton together in the same room. you recall cently people who were team bernie and team hillary going at the sort of people were when they were team jacob or team edward. always jacob, by the way. the rift has gone public. referring to him as his royal majesty king bernie and then senator sanders might not have helped himself on "the view". >> we're hearing about a lot of democratic candidates meeting
with hillary clinton. do you think you'll do the same? >> i suspect not. hillary has not called me. look, we have differences. hillary played a very important role in american politics. >> you're not interested in any advice from her. >> i think not. >> i want to bring in my panel right now. welcome to you all. let's begin with you, corinne. what do you make of this riff between bernie and hillary. bernie spoke at a breakfast that was honoring hillary clinton there in selma for the anniversary, of course, the march at the pettis bridge some 54 years ago. they had their kumbaya moment publicly. behind the scenes, what do you make of it? >> let me first say i'm glad they were able to come together
for such a powerful moment, the anniversary of selma, which is those images from 54 years ago are sered in our memory and we have to remember why people were protesting and the courage of the folks that walked that bridge. and it was because of institutional racism. so that's that. look, i hate using this term both sides because we use it a lot when we try to equate republicans and democrats, which i don't think in this time that there are two -- the things that are happening on the republican side do not equate at all to democrats. but i do any both sides needs to just chill. they need to just let it go. we cannot relitigate 2016. it is not helpful. we have a bigger task at hand. and it is to win back the white house. and hopefully, you know, do well again in the house and the senate and take back the senate in 2020 and it's just not helpful. >> noah, somebody who is observing and watching this
strategy right now, of course bernie sanders launched this big campaign just within the last two weeks. he had his big rally yesterday. this is not necessarily the narrative i assume that he wanted out there this first week. >> probably not, but it doesn't seem to be hurting him. as a conservative who washed with a lot of trepidation in 2016 as donald trump secured a very high position in the polls and maintained it throughout every controversy that he encountered, bernie sanders is at the top of the polls. bernie sanders is raising more money than anybody in the field and establishment democrats are sniping at him saying he's not a member of my party, he lacks a filter, he doesn't have a lot of grasp on policy, he's appealing to fringe radical voters in our party and yet he's maintaining all this support and it can't possibly last. this is all very familiar. >> they're all continuing to give money in the meantime and he's continuing to lead. so the big question has been whether or not, roeshl, this will hurt this whole feud. >> this fight between clinton and sanders, no, i don't think it's going to hurt. i think any time you have some sort of campaign that the aides
in each camp they tend to fight against each other. bernie sanders said something that's very funny and it's always this thing when people get upset that they haven't heard from you in a while. you fingers aren't broke. you can pick up the phone and call clinton too. he might think about calling clinton considering the fact he did so terrible with women, he did terrible with black voters and he did terrible with those staunch democrats in 2016. so, he might want to pick up the phone and call her to figure out how to win those people in 2020. >> and you do get the sense that that's what these candidates were kind of pushing for down there in selma. "the washington post" reporting about the press for black voters. there were other candidates who were down there as well. want to just show you a little clip of all of them speaking and then get your reaction on the other end. >> you cannot preach right and do wrong. you can't come to selma to remember what happened in the past and leave here and forget the obligations of the present.
>> how sad it is that 54 years later we are still fighting for the right to vote. >> voting rights are always under attack. we know that. we have big victories. we have small victory. we have defeats. >> corinne, why is this voting block so important for them? the latest study shows that hispanics will be the largest minority group voting in 2020. why are so many of the candidates courting the black vote? >> because it's a constituency in particular the black women they come out and vote in high numbers. we saw that. they did that for hillary clinton in 2016. they were the highest voting block for her. it is a key constituency. we saw it again in special elections. and in the midterm, these past two years, this is a constituency that cannot be, you know, undermined. you have to have policies, not just talk about the black
community but actually have policies to really talk to that community. and so we are in a different time. we can't just say we're -- it's great that they went to selma. it's excellent. i'm glad they did that. we need more. and you know, for bernie sanders, 2016 is different than 2020. he has to expand his base. and he had a lot of support in 2016. and wasn't able to win. he did not get the nomination. so, in this time around, he needs to expand his base. it's going to be key. it's going to be key for any of them. they have to make sure, not just to court the black community, but what are they going to do? what are they going to bring forth to make sure that their voices are being heard. >> and perhaps that's why bernie is trying to be more personal than policy driven this time around. well, corinne, noah and rochelle are going to stick around. up next, president trump unplugged during his record two-hour speech in front of republican loyalists. the president pulling out his greatest hits, blasting, hillary clinton, james comey and of
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♪ welcome back. i'm kendis gibson at msnbc headquarters in new york city. president trump at the warpath at this hour launching into a new furious attack directed, of course, at robert mueller the russia investigation this, of course, following yesterday's unbridle and uncensored speech, the longest of his presidency. in it of course he lashed out the media, democratics, going after james madison. james madison. this was at the conservative conference in maryland. all this on the heels of a tough week. no deal with kim jong-un and a public betrayal by michael cohen. among the word jumbled by the way, language not normally associated with the commander in chief. >> we had the greatest of all time. now we have people that lost and unfortunate
unfortunately you put people in the wrong positions and they leave people for a long time that shouldn't be there and all of a sudden they're trying to take you out with [ bleep ], okay? >> so what was that? so joining our panel is jonathan allen, national political reporter for nbc news digital. i'll get you off the hook for a second and start with noah here on all of this. what was that? that speech, two hours, two minutes, 35 seconds, 16,666 words, ironically. what was that? >> well, i mean, the fact that -- if you can speak and can monologue for two hours, it's a rare skill. so i guess use it, why not. there was some moments in there that were incredibly confusing and very insulting if you're in that audience, i should think. the notion that, for example, he went after john mccain, which seems something that everybody does on that stage which is untoward and invoked the wall and said that wall will be 15
feet higher and stop from the campaign trail and that's just nonsense, right? at this point you should be able to admit to yourself, republicans had two years to do this, they didn't, it's not going to happen and this obviously national security invocation is going to be shot down now by the senate. and so you should probably hear -- the lock her up chants probably hear all this stuff and think that you're just being played, right? but you have to be a willing participant in the long con. >> is this a sign of things to come that oh mercy the next campaign is going to be long? >> yes. it's going to be long. it's going to be annoying. it's going to be unhinged. i mean, this is a president who completely lost his marbles, if you will. i think that's a result of what he heard coming out of the testimony of cohen and he's nervous about it. he'll be facing tax fraud, campaign fraud, bank fraud. he has a host of things coming his way. and it seems that he's just trying to use this as an opportunity to attack the credibility of democrats.
and it's what's really sad is not even so much the president does this, it's the fact that so many people actually believe him. and they're so brainwashed and they don't do their own research. they just take everything that he says at face value. and so i'm a little bit more disgusted at those people who seem not to have a backbone in the crowd than the president himself. >> yeah. so many republicans are saying today they don't recognize their party, rick tyler among them saying that ronald reagan wouldn't necessarily recognize this party or necessarily do the sort of things that this president has done so far. jonathan, you're just back from hanoi. and of course president courted controversy when -- with the otto warmbier comments over there and he talked about it yet again yesterday. here is what he had to say. >> i'm in such a horrible position because in one way i have to negotiate. in the other way i love mr. and mrs. warmbier and i love otto,
and it's a very, very delicate balance. >> so he was there clearly trying to cover his tracks. you were there in hanoi when all of this went down. covering this. what was it like? >> it was -- i hesitate to use the term surreal because it wasn't like a dolly panning with melting clocks and things, but it was a very thing to see an american president essentially genuflecting in front of a ten pot dictator for the second time in a year, going to the backyard of that tin pot dictator to try to negotiate nuclear deal when the intelligence community has said that this guy is not going to give up his nuclear weapons. it was a really sort of strange moment in american history. again the second time in a year. i think this explanation with the warmbier family, the president is trying to put himself in this position of not being able to say hard truths to a foreign leader that he's trying to negotiate with. you try to put that into context of other american leaders and
when they have actually said hard truths to foreign leaders that they're trying to deal with. i don't think that there's any necessity to suck up to kim jong-un about his human rights record or about otto warmbier being killed in north korea in order to negotiate on nuclear weapons. i think the entire course of the last year or so, this love letter stuff between the president and kim jong-un, if any other president had done that, it would be embarrassing to them. and it would be -- and they would be called out not only by the opposing political party but by their own political party for doing that. it just looks weak on the part of the president. >> and what have we heard from the party? we haven't heard much from the republican party on this. >> you have, i think. perhaps not to the satisfaction of the president's fearest critics, but especially after otto warmbier's comments the notion that this police state in this despot who regards these individuals with such value that he would certainly be aware of the four americans who were in
their custody how they were being treated, saying that that was something didn't believe was beyond the pale. he fails to make a deal and comes back and everybody says way to go, you really nailed this one. we should all be drowning him in i told you so's because this was evident at least a year ago, even before the first summit that this would be a failed process. >> and i don't really understand why everyone thought he was going to get this deal done. people have to realize when you're talking about denuclearization in north korea, those nuclear weapons are a sign of that family's power. talk about dismantling their nuclear program, in a sense kim jong-un is going to look at that as dismantling his political influence as well over the world because that's why we always jump when he does something with his nuclear weapons. it's like he dangles it over the heads of anyone that is in office and then we move and we give more money and we lift the sanction here or do this. so i think that people have to understand that this is a political tool for him. >> i do want to get corinne to
weigh in on this. she is still with us. thank you so much for sticking around with us. >> absolutely. >> and listening to this conversation because jonathan's reporting right now on nbc news that this stop if you heard this before, may have been the president's worst week. where do you think this week ranks? >> oh, man. yeah. there's so many bad weeks and they just get worse and worse and worse. and i think it really all started the moment that nancy pelosi got the gavel and the house become a democratic majority, i have to say. because that's when you saw him unravel more and more. and you saw a check on this president. and you know, this week really -- look, i think it's important that we talk, you know, the alternative is very dangerous, which is i don't want to be in war. none of us want to be at war, but what we have to be really honest with the summit was, it was he was producing a show. he was thinking that i'm going to do this. i'm going to distract everyone.
i'm going to go to vietnam and put on a show. and the problem is, like it is all the time when it comes to foreign policy with donald trump, he wasn't prepared. he wasn't ready. you heard reports from his own staff saying they don't want this to happen. they're worried that he was going to give away the kitchen sink. and now we're like the bar is so low for him we're saying, well, thank goodness nothing happened. thank goodness. okay, they walked away. but that's really sad because at the end of the day we're talking about our national security. and he's putting us at risk. and also with the warmbier, otto warmbier, i feel really sorry for his family, he's taking the word of a brutal dictator over his own intelligence, his own community. everybody knows that otto warm -- that kim jong-un is a brutal dictator. we all know this. and, yeah, jonathan is right. you have to talk about the hard truths when you are a leader of a country. and he just can't do it.
he cannot do it. >> well, he does do it with some leaders, not necessarily dictator. >> our allies, yeah. he warms up to the dictators and our allies he attacks. >> everyone should be looked at some point in their life the way that donald trump has looked at kim jong-un. it's like a scene out of -- >> i can't top that. >> it's like bradley cooper looking at lady gaga or something. >> yes. >> they're not in love, jonathan. >> i got to get going, guys. thank you all. still ahead, a dpes pratt situation at the u.s. border right now imagine going 14 months separated from your child. new effort under way to reunite parents with their kids. this as homeland secretary heads to capitol hill about her previous testimony, well, spoiler alert, it got testy.
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it's about to get heated on capitol hill this week. when the secretary of homeland security appears before congress. so the last time kirsten nielsen was in front of the homeland committee she was grilled on the administration's controversial border security problems including on going family problems separation. it's been nine months since president trump signed an executive order to end that policy and families are still desperately trying to reunite. the latest being a group of 29 parents deported last year who
traveled all the way back to the border to demand asylum and the return of their children. the group's local reps say there are 27 children in u.s. custody, the youngest being 5 years old. and the longest separation some 14 months. well following the story from san diego, california, is msnbc mariano and the professor at the university of texas, lbj school of public affairs and also msnbc political contributor. okay, let me start with you, mariana, you've been following the plight of these people. what is the status right now for them? >> kendis, this is a group that was comprised in the over 400 parents who were separated during zero tolerance and deported without their children. this batch of 29 parents grew desperate in central america that the reunification process wasn't happening fast enough so they took it upon themselves to make the perilous journey back to the border. and yesterday after ten hours of
waiting they were finally processed by customs and border protection. but, lawyers on the ground say this is only the beginning, kendis. these parents have essentially now entered a black hole. nobody knows how long they'll be processed or they'll have to wait in detention. and then many of them hope to be reunified with their children. but it still remains uncertain if and when they will be reunified. >> some of them have been separated as long as 14 months you were mentioning, some as young as 5 years old. did the government just kind of lose track? do they have some kids that are just kind of hanging out at a detention center and they have no idea where to send them? >> so the government should have track of the children with these a-numbers. some of the kids are in hhs custody, some of the kids are with american foster parents and some of the kids are actually with relatives in the united states. but, as you said, many of the parents haven't seen them in six months, in ten months and the
government was essentially saying it's hard to locate these parents in central america. well, yesterday the parents on the ground said here we are. we're presenting ourselves at cbp custody and now the reunification n their view, can hopefully begin. but the trauma, the long-term trauma for the parents and especially for the kids will leave wounds that are very hard to heal. kendis. >> let me get victoria in on all of this. as you mentioned, kirsten nielsen will be back on capitol hill this week. it has been several months. here is a little snip pet of the last time she was there. >> you've also said repeat lid and again today that there's no department policy for separation of children. do you remember you just said that in. >> yes, sir there is no comprehensive policy to separate families. >> you remember of course we came to receive through a freedom of information act request from open government a memorandum that was written to
you on april 23rd, 2018, option three says and i quote, dhs could also permissively direct the separation of parents or legal guardians and minors held in immigration detention so that the parent or legal guardian can be prosecuted pursuant to these authorities. do you remember reading that? >> we have the authority to do that, yes. >> you signed off on a memo authorizing this practice described as zero tolerance whether you think it's legal or not, you authorized it. >> it got heated quite a bit there. what do we expect will happen victoria this week? >> i think the heat will be going up past 8, getting close to 10, kendis, because really what's happening is family separation continues. it's just kind of bureaucratically boxed into something different. so we're talking about mariana said about 400 families that have yet to get reunited. we see the group of 29 making the first big push. but an amnesty international
report that was released a couple of months ago sited that border patrol has been separating out families since the spring saying that if you are not the parent and you can't actually prove with certain documents that you're a parent, you're going to get separated up. so that's basically family separation. they're also saying if you're not the parent, that you may be the grandparent and you're the guardian of the child, you're still going to get separated out because that child is not your own child. so, a couple of thousands more family separations have been happening. so, is numbers that the trump administration said that families were being reunite and that this isn't happening is technically true, but they're also expanding the category of folks that they are separating, family units, let's say that. so this is what's really problem mat ing for me and what i'm really curious to see what secretary nielsen says when he goes back up to capitol hill. >> thankfully that hearing will
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alexandria ocasio-cortez will probably do a dance, is that right? >> no. i was going to ask like carefully researched questions. >> yeah. clearly that is not what today is about. >> saturday night live's take on the cohen hearings just last night. as a great american poet once said, and i quote, girls rerun this mother, yeah. who knew beyonce's anthem would be so prophetic about the cohen hearing. the highlight for many who watched, the freshmen congresswomen, social media with
the caption they're not having it. along with representative cay t katie hill the newcomers came to do their job. welcome to you all. i want to start with you, andrea. you say in your column that these new congresswomen show new backbone that many of the veterans did not. >> yeah, they did. >> how so? >> i feel like at some point both republican and democratic side this was a lot of grandstanding, there was a lot of speeches before getting into the questions. >> it's less investigative and more theater. >> at this point we've been talking about cohen, the mueller investigation for so long. and the purpose of this hearing is supposed to be to find the
information. to an extent i feel like the new members in the oversight committee killed it. katie hill did it questioning cohen about the payments to stormy daniels, the adult actress. they really zeroed in on these issues in a way that was really smart. they produced results in just like the five minutes they have. >> you can kind of tell who are the newcomers and who are not. those things are a lot of theater most of the time. they're like, no, we have extra work to do. aoc got cohen to name a number of different people in front of the committee there. here's a small clip of her questioning. >> to your knowledge, did the president ever provide inflated assets to an insurance company? >> yes. >> who else knows that the president did this? >> allen weisselberg, ron
lieberman and matthew calamari. >> do you think we need to review his financial statements and tax returns in order to compare them. >> yes. and you'd find it at the trump org. >> that's a really small room. during that line of questioning what was the mood like? was that sort of like a perry mason moment? >> of course the objective of a hearing like this is to give democrats an opportunity to draw out evidence of wrongdoing by the president. in that sense, it was almost like an impeachment proceeding against the president or the early stages of them. being in the room, you could really feel that. at the very end of the hearing when we finally got to alexandria ocasio-cortez and presley and rashida talib and katie hill, i think the mood in
the room was kpexasperated and exhausted because it had been the end of the seven hours of testimony. what we saw from them was not any grandstanding or bloviating. it was really an attempt to draw out that evidence of potential criminal wrongdoing. in the process, blowing up this entire investigation and giving them more lines of inquiry to go after more witnesses like alan weisselbe weisselbe weisselberg. they really went in there and did their job. i think they pleasantly surprised a bunch of people in the room. >> do you think they coordinated what they were going to ask? >> i think there were conversations when they're deciding which questions they're going to make and how they were going to divide the lines of inquiry. i just don't know if they
actually coordinated. >> i will say members of congress often do coordinate ahead of time especially in these type of hearing, definitely. >> aoc tweeted people think it's a joke when folks say we have to work twice as hard for the same seat. so she was working twice as hard. they're getting some accolades as a result. you've seen the new cover of rolling stone. nancy pelosi is joining them there. but there are others as well on capitol hill who are not so keen on the popularity and the moves that some of these ladies and freshmen congresswoman are doing. here's gary connolly. >> look, we have a lot of new members. they're not used to what happens on the floor. i think threats and intimidation are not the way to deal with colleagues. >> you think they're ready for this group on capitol hill?
>> i think congressman connolly's comments were in the context of some vote that is the republicans were forcing on the floor that week. in private settings my colleagues on the capitol hill team at politico were reporting that alexandria ocasio-cortez and other freshman members were sort of threatening more moderate democrats with primary challengers. mr. connolly is someone who's more of the established democratic members, if you will. he was saying that sort of there is that tension. he was acknowledging it, i think, in the aftermath of those votes that republicans had forced that many moderate democrats had actually voted in favor of. >> it's that attention that got aoc on the cover of one of the new york tabloids yet, but not necessarily in a favorable vein. coming up, more on the president's former fixer michael cohen back on capitol hill as reporters dig into whether the president offered a pardon to
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information on his former boss this week. >> all of a sudden they're trying to take you out with both [ bleep ]. >> mr. cohen is supposed to be turning over additional records we've been looking for for some time. >> they don't have anything with russ russia. there's no collusion. so, now they go and morph into, let's inspect every deal he's ever done. >> we still have not seen many of the major figures. candidly, because they've all been involved with the mueller investigation. >> we are certainly looking deep into the set of issues around moscow/trump tower. we're also looking at persistent allegations that the russians have been laundering money through the trump organization. >> these people are sick. >> it's the notion there's no evidence is just factually wrong. >> so many headlines there. "the washington post" is warning it will get worse for the president before it gets better. lawmakers reportedly looking into whether the president and his legal team discussed a possible pardon with michael cohen. with me now is natasha ber tran, the staff righter for "atlantic"
and msnbc contributor. evan mcmullen, former chief policy director for the house republican conference. and joyce vance, former u.s. attorney and msnbc contributors. and joseph moreno, former prosecutor at the u.s. justice department and former fbi consultant. welcome to you all. natas natasha, let's start with you and on your reporting. are you aware of any pardon discussions between cohen and the president? >> well, there has been reporting that michael cohen actually expected a pardon. that is, up until his office and home was raided by the fbi in april of 2018. he apparently expected that he would be protected by the president in terms of the hush money payment that he made to stormy daniels. and then after his home was raided by the fbi, the president started to kind of cool on his, you know, long-time lawyer. but, you know, that reporting has not necessarily been matched widely. i think it remains to be seen whether or not cohen himself actually believed he would receive a pardon.
i'm sure it has been reported in the past that the president has considered pardons for people who are caught up in the russia investigation and it's unlikely that, you know, cohen began cooperating with prosecutors in the way that he has, that trump wouldn't have considered a pardon just to kind of make sure he was protected in all of this. especially with regard to the campaign finance violations, which pose a very real threat to the president. so, we don't know yet. i think that whatever he told the house intelligence committee and senate intelligence committee earlier this week about the issue of pardons, obviously, piques their interest but it remains to be seen whether they go down that line of inquiry further. >> you heard that mash-up with mark warner and adan schiff and other officials talking about the investigation, obstruction of justice as well as many others that are out there. which one do you think is most troubling? we also heard from maxine waters that deutsche bank is now cooperating.
>> yeah, i think -- >> it seems to me -- >> sorry. >> let me go with joyce. >> sorry. >> it seems to me it's the totality of the object construction investigati obstruction investigation. prosecutors like to look at the total instead of each little incident. you can also have conspiracy of obstruction. it seems like the full content. this total range of conduct troubling for the. the. >> jerry nadler was among those speaking today. here's a listen to what he had to say on them closing in on the president's inner circle. >> from the white house to the department of justice, donald trump jr., allen to begin the case to the american people about obstruction of justice, corruption and abuse of power.
>> that would include john kelly, former chief of staff, john -- >> i don't have the list. it will be released tomorrow, over 60 entities, people, et cetera. >> over 60 entities, people. help me understand what he's getting into. can we expect congress will ask to subpoena possibly jared and ivanka and other folks tomorrow? >> kendis, i've long been skeptical that the bob mueller investigation would eventually yield an impeachable or indictable offense against the president. look, it could happen. it's certainly a serious thing. but i believe that the real danger to him comes from two places. one, the sdny, the southern district of new york starting with michael cohen's arrest last year, and, two, the democrats taking the house and having vast investigative and subpoena power. so, i think it's the investigations of the trump organization, the inaugural committee, possibly members of the trump family. that's where i think the danger
really lays against this white house. and there's no telling where the evidence goes. these are very aggressive, independent prosecutors. that's where i think the focus should be. >> it's easy to get whiplash when you hear about the dozens of investigations. i believe 17 into trump inaugural and committees. >> quite a lot. >> yeah. let me ask you in the meantime, because from a congressional standpoint, the ranking member of the house oversight committee, jim jordan is staunchly defending the president. here's what he had to say and get your thoughts on the other end. >> you can see that the president has not always told the truth on russia. >> i don't think the president has lied about russia at all. >> not once? >> there's been -- >> not about the -- >> chuck, even -- >> why do you think the president didn't want to tell the country he had a trump tower/moscow deal in the works? >> i don't know that. the president said one thing and michael cohen saying something else. >> there was reporting in "the washington post" this morning
saying not even nixon could get prosecuted in this sort of environment with this republican party the way it is right now. what are the ramifications for this republican party backing the president even with all that we're seeing? >> i think it's a very good and interesting question because what i see happening here is the democrats in the house especially doing their job. they're fulfilling their constitutional duty. investigating the president, providing a check on the executive branch, providing a check on the administration. that's great. but we can't ignore the political dynamics of this, too. i can speak of this as a republican who went through the benghazi investigation and all of that when i was in the house as a policy director. but the democratic party can't help but look at this, at least leaders as a political -- massive political opportunity that can keep on giving and giving and giving for years to come, right, as they -- as they look into all of trump's potential criminality. so, the republicans, if they're smart, they start distancing
themselves from the president now, right? but they won't do that. they can't do that. unfortunately, trump support within republicans is too strong. they should do that, to be clear, but being weak and lacking courage, they won't do what's necessary. so, they continue to defend -- >> to their detriment? >> to their detriment, over time. democrats when you think of strengthen their majority in the house, taking control over the senate again. of course, winning the white house in 2020. not just that, you're talking about the opportunity to win back, you know, legislatures across the country. this is an opportunity for the democratic party to paint trump, i think, accurately as an abuser of power. and i think that's going to serve the democrats' political purposes for quite some time and the republicans have to get out of it. >> joyce, it would appear as the congressional investigators are building an obstruction case. are we able to read into that and say, well, if they're trying to build op strukz against --
obstruction of justice against the president, that mueller has something else he's working on and sdny, of course, does as well? >> it's very difficult to read the tea leaves here because it's entirely possible that mueller could have obstruction charges in the works against any number of potential defendants. it's unlikely that his charges will extend to the president given doj policy. so, it would be entirely appropriate for investigators on the hill to independently -- to independently look at obstruction and make a determination about whether that should be a charge for potential impeachment proceedings. >> where does this investigation lie right now versus where mueller, where the congressional investigations are headed right now? >> i think it was really notable when this morning the chairman of the house judiciary committee, jerry nadler, said he does believe the president committed obstruction of justice. that's extremely significant
because it would be his committee that would launch the impeachment proceedings if that's the road they decided to take. in terms of what mueller is looking at here, i think we all need to lower our expectations a bit because his investigation was primarily a criminal one. a lot of what has come out of this has been a counterintelligence story. i don't know if we'll get the full picture from his report if he decides not to charge the president, which is very unlikely. >> we might get answers to it all soon. we might not. who knows. thanks to you all. coming up, a bust in north korea, his former fixer in a tell-all testimony and his son-in-law blasted over security clearances that he was never supposed to have. we're talking about what some have dubbed the president's worst week ever. stay with us for more on that in a few minutes.
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breaking the divide. democratics hopeful come to a turning point on the civil rights movement. selma has been an unofficial campaign stop for presidential hopefuls and today was no exception. it was two former rivals who had a close encounter that's gaining the most buzz out of it. our own ally joins us from the foot of the edmond pettis bridge where an historic march took place a half century ago and an interesting breakfast happened a few hours ago. how have the candidates
interacted? >> reporter: kendis, the wind has stopped considerably but there were questions about how people could march in this aggressive wind and rain. thankfully the weather is cooperating and the march should be taking place in a little while here. if you want to look at how this event has gone down along political lines, it's clear there's still a ghost of 2016 hanging over this coming election as well. you want to look at how bernie sanders and hillary clinton interacted today. there's a lot of buzz about bad blood remaining between the two from the 2016 general election and primarily election. everyone was courteous. bernie sanders gave hillary clinton a congratulations during her breakfast where she was honored. beyond that neither mentioned each other. there was very little interaction there. the same way 2016 seems to be hanging over today is the way hillary clinton talks about voter suppression. >> we aren't going to win every fight. take that from me.
but history does teach us that the times when the struggle feels the hardest are the times when marching forward is the most important. >> reporter: kendis, hillary clinton wasn't the only one to push an urgent message, an urgent call to action to the people gathering here today. cory booker, sherrod brown, 2020 hopefuls, talk about the need to remember days like today, bloody sunday, here in selma. >> did it seem like the environment was icy when they were both in the same room? >> reporter: so, we were really at the back of the room. hillary clinton was sitting there, as bernie sanders was on stage. he congratulated her. how terse the congratulations, it was there. it didn't seem like it was lacking in her speech because she didn't mention the other people who were there either.
we know from recent news reports the two are not on friendly terms. you know when he was on "the view" a few days ago, they asked if he was talking to hillary clinton and he quickly said no. clearly there are issues. i think the interesting thing is it's not just between them. their voters took the 2016 primary really seriously. in my travels over the past few weeks, there were voters who were for bernie or hillary who really still feel that loyalty there. i think now that bernie is striving to get the nomination again this time, those are clearly wounds he'll have to heal. >> it seems as if there is a divide that is still there and within the democratic party. of course, selma is trying to bring everybody together on this anniversary. ali in selma, alabama, thank you. i want to bring in my panel. tara, the democratic strategist and a. scott boldin, former chair of the d.c. democratic party and former chair of the national bar association and pac
as well. it appears as if there's a little bit of difference between the democratic party. it's been two years since they were fighting. what's to say they'll be able to bridge that gap within the next year and a half? >> i think for most democrats overwhelmingly, the main issue is defeating donald trump. i think the party is -- >> it's a unifying poers. >> yeah, donald trump is a unifying force. i think on that front democrats are united. i think on bold, big policy ideas democrats are united as well around the majority of the different policy positions. i think where you see differences are where you would expect to see differences. it's with people's supporters. if you support a particular candidate, it's in your interest to try to take down the other candidate. so, i think that's where you see some of the in-fighting, the jockeying, but that happens every single cycle. the cycle in 2008 between hillary clinton and president barack obama, that got very
bitter. but she then joins his administration as secretary of state. so, i think that this is -- some of this is very much natural. >> everybody enters thanksgiving morning a little scared of that cousin you don't want to know, but by the end of having the turkey and everything, you're like, all right, he ain't that bad. scott, go ahead. >> i agree with my colleague, but this is a little different between hillary and bernie, in my opinion. this is when the progressives on the left of the party were deeply involved in trying to change the rules of the party. deeply involved in trying to win the nomination. the progressives weren't there yet in the democratic party and there were many people when hillary lost, there were a lot of democrats in their opinion and their supporters' opinion that didn't vote for hillary clinton. may have voted for a third-party candidate or not voted at all. that gap of those losing those democratic voters, the hillary clinton side really believes that that may have turned the corner for her. and she couldn't turn the corner
regardless of whether she ran a good campaign or not because of those bernie sander voters who could not get over it. that's a real issue and that's what you're feeling right now in 2019. >> but some of those reports from earlier, you know, where they were calling bernie sanders royal majesty bernie sanders. here's bernie sanders a little earlier today talking about hillary clinton. >> let me begin by thanking all of the people who organized this historic event. let me congratulate secretary clinton on the award she's about to receive. >> so, there you have it. kum-bi-ya. on a sunday. that's called being politically correct among democratic friends. >> look, i worked on some campaigns that i'm still bitter about. so, look, i'm not going to pretend like there's never going
to be those dynamics because i'm still bitter myself on a couple of fronts. at the end of the day, even being bitter, i still voted for the democrat. i think while there will be some people in the democratic party -- because one thing people need to understand about the party is that we are the most diverse party. i say it all the time. but i will continue to reinforce that. as a result, we have to manage a lot of different constituencies in a way the republican party does not have to manage. as a consequence of that, we have much more of a balancing act to do as democrats relative to the republican party where the overwhelming majority of republicans are just -- are white. >> scott, really quickly, let me get your thought. i think it's a diverse party. scott, let me get your sense, because jay ensly, does he stand a shot? polling at zero. >> starting as zero to what?
zero to ten? >> straight zero. >> zero to ten, he's probably got a five or a six right now. you never know. you have to catch lightning in a bottle. his approach is the environmental piece. the reality is, how good is he on the other issues, like health care, education, police reform, criminal justice, issues that are really important to democrats? we'll see. >> he has been a successful government. polls very well right there in washington state. our thanks to you all. appreciate it. glad we could all get together. up next, i should point out we're following the developments when it comes to the weather right now because there are several areas right now under tornado watches and warnings. as you can see there on the box as well as a massive snowstorm is heading to the northeast and mid-atlantic. we'll have a live update on that coming up. stay with us. >> tech: at safelite autoglass,
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limits of personal power at home and beyond and the hard lessons the president is taking away from not one of the moss harrowing weeks. spending a few days on the road can't keep you from enduring a terrible week as well. joining me, jonathan allen, and josh nelson, kurt bardella, and contributor for nbc's new letter think, and nick, columnist and republican strategist. jonathan, let's start with you because you wrote that hopeful article there talking about the president there having his worst week possibly ever, and during a brutal stretch overseas. you were there on that trip. did you get a sense by that point as you were coming back from hanoi and vietnam, the president coming back, that he's realizing this has been a rough one? >> you know, i think it is
optimistic, kendis, because next week it could get better. it was only three days really that he was sort of out of the country. i think, obviously, he's got a sense things were not going well for him. he's got michael cohen, his fixer, even he said this was compelling testimony. he said he couldn't get enough of it. he was watching while he was in vietnam and wished he could watch even more of it. the negotiations that he wanted to go forward, have a deal with kim jong-un, obviously that fell apart. he wouldn't have wanted to travel halfway around the world for essentially what became a waste of a trip. the building of the wall which at every turn has been turned back. he's now starting to watch senate republicans jump ship after 13 house republicans voted against him. >> that's only 13 of 197. >> 13 of 197, it's small. but when you think about this party that has marched in lockstep with him, so long, so
long walked in lock step with him and you look at the senate where it's in a position where a majority of senators are now opposed to him taking this emergency action. and you know that some of those senators who have not come out publicly don't agree with him even if they would vote to protect him. this was a terrible week for him. the question for him is, where does he go from here and can he turn some of this around? the hard part for him is there isn't a big agenda item. there's not something he's pushing right now. what is the trump agenda? >> maybe he'll pivot to it. a lot of people are trying to figure out -- he spoke for two hours and two minutes yesterday. was there a big agenda that came out of it? and what was the motivation, you might say, behind that epic speech? >> well, you know what, first of all, really good article jonathan wrote. i enjoyed reading that. >> thank you. >> i have to tell you, the cpac audience is an audience filled with trump base.
these people love trump and this is a welcoming audience for him. and you know why i think he spoke for over two hours, i think he did that because he's had such a horrible week. and this is a chance to, you know, fill his void back up with people that love him. you know, he said a couple of joyce words there with no filter. these are people that love him, they accept him. it's kind of like a sports analogy. when you have your favorite team, he's back in his home court there. and i think, that that's why he went over and above and spoke so long with no filter because he wanted to, you know, build the ego back up or feel like a winner again. because this week really was not back -- was not good for him on all fronts, from kushner to north korea to so many things, to cohen. we had a lot of things going on that distracted from trump
really touting and talking about the wall and talking about promises made and promises kept. so, you know, it was -- it wasn't a great week. so, i think that's why he talked so long. >> and he did talk some 16,000 words. you used to be on the house oversight committee. so many millions of americans learned about the house oversight committee and the members there. but the republicans on that particular committee, there were questions that were more focused on attacking cohen's character, not necessarily on defending the president. what did you make of that tactic? >> well, i think it speaks to why -- as jonathan wrote, this really was a bad week for washington -- for trump. when republicans on the oversight committee don't touch the substance of what cohen testified to, when they don't spend a single second defending the president of the united states being called a criminal and, instead, focused their attention on the character or lack thereof of michael cohen, that tells you everything you
need to know about what this hearing really was, how damaging it was and the outlook for republicans overall, you can't defend the indefensible. that's what you saw on display wednesday. mark meadows and jim jordan, who spent the better part of a decade to attack president obama, to go after fraud, waste and mismanagement. they talked exhaustively about transparency and the right for americans to know. where did that go? it vanished because they know they're in a position that this pat has done things that are indefensible. one big thing is elections have consequences. we saw that on display on wednesday. no matter what michael cohen says and whether it's true or not, the reality is, democrats now have the tools, subpoenas, depositions, documents, they have the tools to fact-check what everybody from the president to their witnesses says and the truth will ultimately come out. >> and the president has tools of his own and it's called the base. he enjoys 85% support within
the -- i believe 88% support within the republican party itself. so, josh, the question is, we have seen some cracks, as jonathan alluded to. rand paul is among those who says he's going to vote against the. the when it comes to the national emergency, when it comes to the senate there. are these cracks for real? >> well, they're certainly for real as far as lawmakers, particularly some in the senate who feel like they increasingly need to take a stand and make clear, as rand paul did over this weekend, that they disagree with the president. i think the dichotomy here between these fractures we're seeing with elected republicans and the continuing support from the president's base that was on such vivid display at cpac is really something we'll have to watch very closely as we move closer and closer to the 2020 election because the president is going to have a decision to make every day, which is whether he wants to take steps that
please his base, that continue to feed his feeling like he is satisfying his supporters, like he is loved by millions and millions of people out there, or whether he's going to take steps that make it easier for republicans who are trying to win re-election next year. those two interests may diverge more and more. if past is prologue, the president is likely to take actions to bring him in line with his base more so than make life easy for republicans in congress. >> he's back in washington. he gets to reset. he is at the bottom, as jonathan might allude to. we'll see where he goes from there. thanks to you all. coming up, a major week ahead when it comes to those investigations involving the president. roger stone, paul manafort, michael cohen, all expected before committees or court. we'll talk about what you should expect next. ourt we'll talk about what you should
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the walls are closing in on the trump presidency this week. the house judiciary committee ramping up its obstruction of justice investigation against the president tomorrow, sending out, get this, more than 60 document requests to associates and to entities tied to trump. in the meantime, roger stone will be back in court for a status hearing on his gag order. on wednesday, michael cohen is spilling some more on the president's secrets behind
closed door testimony in front of the house intelligence committee. then it's friday, judgment day for paul manafort -- thursday, rather, trump's former campaign chair will be sentenced in the east district of virginia. manafort is facing up to 24 years in jail in that case alone. what are the political and legal implications facing all of the president's mean? back with mre to discuss all of this is cynthia oxney, former federal prosecutor. all that, we didn't throw out the possibility that friday -- >> friday, always a big day, friday. >> it could be a mueller situation. >> wake up early. check your twitter feed, open up msnbc on friday really early. >> yeah. it seems as if mueller speaks only one day of the week and it's on fridays mostly. we'll be keeping watch on that. but with all of that, we've laid out so far, what are you looking forward to, the house judiciary committee with these, we're learning today, these requests? >> they're moving quickly. they sent out document requests, which makes sense. it's an organizational time
post-cohen testimony. send out the document requests, see what you get back, create a witness list, which they're obviously working on as well, and then order that witness list so it makes sense, the manner in which you question those witnesses. so, you know, you're creating a p pyramid as you go up. >> that's what they're doing. the house intelligence committee, in the meantime, has michael cohen returning on wednesday. they say they got some new information from him that they -- that he's found in the last couple of weeks. >> it's hard to tell because, you know, lanny davis says a little tease and then takes a little bit back. >> his spokesman -- >> yeah. >> he's very paso-agro. >> whatever that is. so we don't really know. we have this ominous warning they're perhaps discussing. the president apparently had a phone call with cohen about a month after cohen's office was raided by the fbi. and that supposedly, whatever that -- happened in that conversation, whether it was a discussion about pardons, whether it was a discussion about obstruction of justice,
whether it was, you know, a way to not tell the truth in the hearings, whatever happened in that conversation supposedly the southern district of new york is investigating. >> i think cohen has been known to record many conversations. you would think, if he was a conversation with the president, that would be one he'd want to record, but who knows. >> i think it would have leaked by now if it was recorded. >> absolutely. cohen in his questioning kind of named names. here's a listen. >> jay ceqa low for one. >> who else? >> alan weiselberg andal lan. don trump jr. and ivanka trump. eric trump. mr. trump's executive executive. david pecker, dylan howard, barry lavigne of ami as well,
allen weiselberg -- >> short of the gardner, he kept naming names and names, people who should be worried they'll be called in front of congressional investigators, at least. >> right. for me, i'm very interested in the discussion with jay ceqa low. what we know is when cohen was preparing his testimony, he circulated that, is the word they used at the white house. and they had a meeting with trump and s echsekalow? was he told to take something that wasn't true? did he know it wasn't true and what was his role in that? i think more information should be coming out about that soon. >> we talk about mueller on friday. who should be worried about fridays coming up? >> aside from manafort, who will be sentenced, he should be worried. don jr. should be worried about fridays. all of the discussions about this is about wrapping up. it cannot wrap up until there's
some resolution about don junior. adam schiff said he didn't believe don junior told him the truth. there's no way this wraps up without some resolution. >> thank you for delving into it. coming up on this 54th anniversary of bloody sunday, an interview with john lewis, one of the men who led the march across the bridge there in selma. plus, we've got to hear the story behind this photo that's going viral. stay with us. going viral. stay with us woman: this is your wake-up call. if you have moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis, month after month, the clock is ticking on irreversible joint damage. ongoing pain and stiffness are signs of joint erosion. humira can help stop the clock. prescribed for 15 years, humira targets and blocks a source of inflammation that contributes to joint pain and irreversible damage. vo: humira can lower your ability to fight infections. serious and sometimes fatal infections including tuberculosis, and cancers, including lymphoma, have happened,
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well, today we're remembering bloody sunday, that violent flash-point in the african-american civil rights movement. take a look at some live pictures we're getting out of selma, alabama right now. we've seen hillary clinton there among the crowd, jesse jackson jr., cory booker of course among others, heading across the edmund pettus bridge at this hour. rain. nearly 600 advocates put their lives on the line back in 1965 crossing the bridge in selma in a push for black voting rights. at the forefront of that march was 25-year-old john lewis, whose skull was fractured when state troopers attacked the peaceful demonstrators. our own reverend al sharpton got
a chance to speak with the congressman and reflected on the progress that has been made. take a listen. >> in spite of all of the changes, in spite of the progress, there are forces trying to take us back to another time, to another period. but i'm gratified to see so many members of color. not just african-american. but hispanic, asian-american. so many women. we have two native american women in the congress for the first time in the history of our country. so the bloodshed, the beating, the suffering in selma was worth it. >> congressman lewis there. and reverend sharpton joining me now. reverend, you spoke with him. he sounded optimistic. you share his optimism? >> well, i have the optimism
that if we continue to struggle that it will in the end be victorious. but it is a struggle. when i was talking to congressman lewis and the generation which was the one right before me that led that march, i wanted his perspective. and i'll play the whole interview on "politics nation" in about an hour. and because they took a beating that day, just to get the right to vote. bloody sunday is not just some hashtag. they were bloody. they were beaten. and he was among them. we've come every year since then commemorating it. i preached that a black president led us across the bridge, barack obama. so there has been some progress. but i want his perspective now because now we are fighting in this era of voter suppression as we see north carolina 9th congressional. we've got so much that is still
incomplete. so as we commemorate we have to also continue. >> and that's key right there. i was looking back at some of the speeches and some of what you've said on commemorating bloody sunday. take a listen there. >> the new voter i.d. laws being proposed in over 30 states, the brennan institute says it will disenfranchise 5 million people. >> while we are celebrating today, they're underwriting or right to vote. if we don't leave here not only thanking god for the right but -- >> hard to hear the last part there in 2015, but basically you were zeroing in on voting rights once again and it does seem like some five years after that, some seven years after the previous clip there, we still seem to be in the same situation. >> and when we -- in selma barack obama was about to lead's
over the bridge. we never imagined a donald trump and the outright move toward voter suppression and all of the racial hysteria. this weekend as we commemorate selma you've had the president's lawyer and a guy he called leek a son calling hmm a racist. no one would have predicted that in '65 or in 2015. so there's still a lot of work to be done. but what bloody sunday shows us is that if you're willing to pay the price you can win, you just have to keep going and be more determined than your adversaries. >> we should note that we're continuing to watch these live pictures from selma, alabama where they're commemorating the 54th anniversary of bloody sunday there. hillary clinton, cory booker, bernie sanders among them there. reverend, the last time we talked was at the start of black history month. never did i imagine with all the stories that have taken place in the last 28, 29 days or so that this would have been -- the rough black history month that
we've had. was this the worst one that you've experienced in modern times? >> it's probably the worst one i've seen. and it ended with seeing two prosecutors refuse to even go in and present charges to see if a jury would find two police shootings of two unarmed men, different cities, tulsa, oklahoma for terrence crutcher, and then sacramento, california where stephfon clark. i've going to have family members and lawyers on "politics nation" to talk about the case. it is in my opinion a sad occurrence on this weekend we remember what happened. >> stephon clark armed with just a cell phone and they opened fire on him with a dozen shots. hard to hear his grandmother's reaction. we'll look forward to the interview there on "politics nation." reverend al, thank you so much for being here with us today. >> thank you. coming up, president trump and his infatuation with dictators. some say no other president has
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look at that. it really does take a village. and also takes a village to figure out that math equation. what the heck is that? >> that is way above my ability to do math. but i will say, this a remarkable picture. i tweeted out earlier in the week saying the world needs more people like that, helping each other, coming together. it was a very powerful -- >> it absolutely is. a lot of black fathers get a lot of heat for not doing enough to be in their kids' lives and that dad certainly did that. i was so happy to see that. glad you stweeted it out. have a great show. >> thank you very much, kendis. that'll do it for everyone. i want to start this hour with some developing stories right now. these are live pictures from selma, a remarkable scene commemorating the 54th anniversary of the selma their known as bloody sunday. you see those pictures right there on your screen. we know there have been some presidential contenders of past, former secretary of state hillary clinton as well ase