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happy monday. jay inslee, the governor of the great state of washington now a brand-new contender for the 2020 democratic nomination for president, governor jay inslee will be joining us live here in studio a little bit later on this hour. this will be his first cable interview since announcing that he is running for president. we are very excited to talk to the governor coming up in a few minutes. but i want to start tonight with the news that landed today like a set of encyclopedias being dropped onto your desk from a great height. i print this stuff really small, two pages to a sheet, and this is just the request for information we're talking about today. this is asking for the stuff. and you know we probably should have known this was coming, if not today than at least sometime soon. even before today, we knew
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investigations were getting going in a way that was going to start leaving a mark, right? by late last week, we had the reporting from nbc news that the weighs and means committee in the democratic controlled house was readying a request for years of president trump's personal tax returns. a request that's expected to land at the irs as early as the next few weeks. the chairman of the ways and means committee is richard neal of massachusetts now starting the process of obtaining the president's tax returns as those tax returns pertain to a number of lines of investigation that are now being pursued by a bunch of congressional committees. even just last week the president's longtime personal lawyer michael cohen testifying that the president inflated his assets or deflated assets to obtain better loan terms from banks or to try to lower his tax bill or lower his insurance premiums. democrats say any serious evaluation of allegations of serious financial fraud like
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that, that would require them to look at trump's tax returns. just as one example. and so they are starting the process of pursuing the president's tax returns. on friday night, we had congressman maxine waters, chair of the financial services committee breaking the news with chris hayes telling chris her committee staff from the financial services committee were headed to the new york city offices of deutsche bank to work in person with employees of that bank on the document requests that she and her committee have submitted to deutsche bank. chairman waters had previously described deutsche bank, which is of course the major donald trump lending institution in the world, she had previously described deutsche bank as being cooperative with new requests from her committee but this new announcement from her that her staffers are at deutsche bank working on document production, that means deutsche bank is no longer
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theoretically going along with this idea of congress obtaining records from them, now they are actually producing material. and even if it was just those two things, right, i mean, the tax returns and deutsche bank records, i mean, those alone are the two big book ends of the president's financial history and the question whether or not his personal and business financial entanglements may be integral to getting to the bottom of some of the scandals surrounding this presidency. if it were just deutsche bank and tax returns alone, we would be bracing this week. but of course that's just happening alongside in august of other stuff getting going. we're getting news even just based on the cohen testimony last week that that testimony may have opened yet more doors for investigators. michael cohen's attorney lanny davis told us late last week new information was developed in a closed-door set of testimony that cohen had with the house intelligence committee after he
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spent the entire day on television in front of a different committee. when he was behind closed doors with the intelligence committee, he somehow developed new information that caused the intelligence committee to schedule yet another session of testimony with michael cohen for this week, for wednesday. he will be going back in order to talk to them about that new material. after we learned that from cohen's lawyer, congressman eric swalwell told us they had been quote, at the edge of their seats. then over this weekend we got fairly blunt new reporting about what that new information from michael cohen might be. according to "the washington post," that newly developing information from cohen that caused him to be called back for a second session before the intelligence committee, according to "the washington post," what that's about is a potential pardon. michael cohen reportedly being contacted about a potential presidential pardon.
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cohen said in his open testimony he wouldn't seek or accept a pardon from president trump, but if a pardon was dangled to cohen in conjunction with the fbi raiding his home and his office or in congestion with his congressional testimony about the president, if he was promised or offered a pardon and it was contingent on the way he went along with that congressional testimony, that raises the possibility a pardon may have been dangled to him as part of an effort to tamper with witnesses. in his testimony last week, michael cohen appeared to hint that prosecutors in the southern district of new york might be looking into something like that. if this "washington post" reporting is accurate as to what new line of inquiry the intelligence committee is pursuing with him, that line of inquiry would appear to lead toward the southern district of new york. remember, it is prosecutors in the southern district of new
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i don't work who have already named the president as individual number one. essentially as an unindicted co-conspirator in two of michael cohen's felonies he pled guilty to and going to prison. one thread that's still dangling related to that story are the reports that the president may have pressured then-acting attorney general matthew whitaker to intervene in sdny and pressure prosecutors in that u.s. attorney's office as it pertained to the michael cohen case. there are reports that the president may have contacted matthew whitaker by phone and asked him essentially if a different prosecutor could be put in charge and use his role at the justice department to make that change in that u.s. attorney's office. those reports have led to a number of sort of shoes waiting to drop because that's a very serious allegation for the president given what appears to be his own potential legal
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scrutiny and legal jeopardy related to the u.s. attorney's office. while we're waiting to find out what will happen there next, today we got the surprising news that matthew whitaker himself has left the justice department. he left this weekend. now we knew he was no longer acting attorney general because we have a full-time attorney general william barr in place at the justice department, but matt whitaker was supposedly going to stay on until he wasn't. he left suddenly without an announcement this weekend and it's not like he's leaving because he suddenly got offered some awesome new gig. the l.a. tooimtz the "l.a. times" reports that he has not settled on what to do next in his legal career. so he left the justice department for nothing and it was just a couple of weeks ago when the justice department announced that matt whitaker would be staying on at the department. they had found some job for him to land on after leaving his post as acting attorney general. the fact he is suddenly gone is all the more intriguing given his reported promise that he
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would come back and clarify his congressional testimony to the judiciary committee. clarify his testimony specifically on the matter of whether or not he was in fact pressured by the white house to lean on the prosecutors in the southern district of new york about the michael cohen prosecution. so that clarification to congress over that testimony that he previously had given say live issue and increasingly intriguing live issue with this surprise news that whitaker as of this weekend is a former justice department official and not a current one. and, and, and, i mean, that's not even all. today was the deadline for the white house to respond to a new urgent demand from the oversight committee in the house for information about security clearance and the security clearances and process in the white house. including now this new report that the president intervened to make sure that his son-in-law jared kushner would get a
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security clearance. accompanying that reporting was there are memos from the former white house counsel don mcgahn and they expressed their objections to the president ordering that jared kushner be given a security clearance. at least the mcgann memo is said to express what the concerns were about jared that led to senior staff, excuse me, led to career staff recommending against jared getting a clearance. wouldn't you like to see those memos? the oversight committee likes to see them. they are making efforts to get those documents. they are sort of implicitly threatening they will send out subpoenas that to get information that they have requested about security clearances and this white house. information they have requested thus far and had no response from the white house about. and today the chairs of a whole bunch of committees, foreign
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affairs, intelligence, and oversight, they all wrote jointly to the white house also to demand information about president trump's communications with vladimir putin. and i mean, that's a remarkable thing that congress might be able to obtain, right? a president's communications with a foreign leader. it would be a weird thing for congress to feel like they could get access to that even except for the fact that with this president, he reportedly took the -- as far as we know historically unprecedented step of personally seizing his translator's notes from a meeting with putin and then swearing that translator to secrecy. the chairman today even raising the possibility that the president may have actively lied about the content of his communications with vladimir putin and so this is not just run-of-the-mill communications between the president and a foreign leader and in this case there is stuff to ask about and so these chairman are going after that, too. all of these things are happening simultaneously.
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all of that stuff i just described in the news today, that's all stuff that we've known has been in the works or coming to a point of confrontation for days, if not weeks, if not months. so some of this stuff we could see coming. but i don't think anybody saw coming what we got today from congressman jerry nadler's judiciary committee and these are the requests for information from the judiciary committee today. these are just the questions. and this is big, right? literally, this is big. the document request sent today by the house judiciary committee going out to 81 different people and entities, and the 81 people and entities to run the agencies and the white house itself to current and former white house officials to executives at the trump organization to donald trump's adult sons to marquee names of the various trump/russia related investigations. george papadopoulos, felix
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sater, wikileaks, concord management, the company that funds the internet research agency in russia. but 81 different entities and what is striking to me about these document requests, as you go through them and i'm sure you will, what is striking to me about them is how comprehensive they are, at least how comprehensive a portrait they paint of the trump administration and the kinds of levels of scandal we have been through thus far with this president. if you have been following the ins and outs of the scandals over the last couple years, you may be familiar with that feeling that there is too much to keep track of. on any given day, you read an update about one scandal or one part of the investigation and yeah, you vaguely remember how that connects to the other parts but actually, honestly, if you have to come up with a list, you would have forgotten that existed.
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here it is still developing, here it is with new updates. that's what it feels like today from the judiciary committee. today we tried, just me and my staff tried to come up with a basic back of the envelope list of all the things the judiciary committee is looking into as of today with these document requests. and i don't suggest this as a complete list, but if you look at the stuff they are asking for information about from these entities, you need a big envelope to write this. on the back. starting back in the first weeks of the administration, they are seeking documents related to the resignation of the first trump national security advisor mike flynn and the committee wants information on flynn's contacts with the russian ambassador during the transition. that's what flynn pled guilty to lying to the fbi about and information on all the people in the transition who are reported to have known about those contacts as they were happening. that's been a very interesting dangling thread. it doesn't seem like flynn was
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acting alone when he was talking to the ambassador why did everybody lie about it besides just flynn lying about it after he had those communications given that so many other people were read in on what he was doing. there is also the trump tower meeting june 2016. there is the misleading statement about the trump tower meeting, the one that donald trump jr. released when it was a statement -- it was later revealed that statement was reportedly dictated by his father. the judiciary committee also wants to know about the firing of fbi director james comey and various officials perceived as allies of james comey's who were fired or pressured to resign or demoted. also the attempted firing of special counsel robert mueller and others. there is also the question of the president's alleged communications with matthew whitaker that reported to attempt to put pressure on prosecutors in the southern district in new york over the cohn cohen case. there is also the question of whether a pardon was floated for michael cohen or flynn or
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manafort to influence their conduct occurring these investigations, their comments to congress, or their statements otherwise to law enforcement. the committee is seeking documents on the cohen hush money payments he testified to congress about last week. and about his earlier false statements, his earlier false testimony to congress. also whether anybody from the white house edited or approved his false testimony. and the recordings michael cohen says he has of various conversations, the committee would like any of those that are relevant. they are also probing whether any improper foreign payments and constitutionally prohibited e -- emoluments were given and whether there was any russian financing for trump business projects or those of his son-in-law and kushner projects, as well. there is also a couple broad categories where they are looking for information like what sort of election data if any did the trump campaign receive from any foreigners or
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wikileaks or cambridge analytica, and contacts with donald trump, his campaign, business, various members of his campaign outside roger stone or erik prince. what about contacts with the uae, qatar, none are allowed to contribute to an american election. what about communications between skmarcht -- paul manafort and rick gates? that policy change about ukraine that appealed very much to the kremlin but apparently to no one in republican politics and nobody would admit to shepherding that change through. and then nobody would admit to shepherd that go change through? they also want to know about hundreds of thousands of dollars paid to michael cohen in the first months of the trump administration by a company
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linked to a russian billionaire the committee would also like documents related to trump's meetings with putin during his presidency and any attempts by the white house to pressure government officials to downplay the russia investigation in public. they are seeking documents from the nra and paul erickson whose girlfriend, maria butina is in prison and speaking of parts of the story you may have forgotten about, the committee is even requesting documents from the estate of the late peter smith. remember that story. a longtime republican donor and activist who said he attempted to make contact with russian government hackers during the 2016 campaign to try to get ahold of hillary clinton's e-mails. oh, is that it? is that all you guys are looking into? is there anything else on the list? honestly, that's not even a comprehensive list. that's the 22 points we came up with off the top of our heads when reading through these requests for information that
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went out from the judiciary committee today. so here's my question. is this too much for one committee? are they biting off more than they can chew? imagine you are a congressional staffer whose job is working on the investigative staff. imagine it's your job to receive all of the information that's going to be submitted in response to these document requests. it's your job to receive the information, to digest it and fact check it and make sure it's chased down and the leads it gives you. is this too much to ask about all at once? the man asking about this all at once is the chairman of the house judiciary committee congressman jerry nadler of new york and he's here with us live next. she's watching too, saying [indistinct conversation] [friend] i've never seen that before. ♪
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clean my daughter's room. [ ding ] oh, it won't do that. welp, someone should. just say "teach me more" into your voice remote and see how you can have an even better x1 experience. simple. easy. awesome. joining us now is the busiest man in congress. congressman jerry in addition jerry nadler is the chairman of the house judiciary committee, requests for documents related to a number of investigations. that all the touch on the executives branch. thank you for being here. >> thank you. >> this is a big list, 81 people is a lot. have you had any response already? i realize this is the first day. >> we've been having positive responses from a number of the
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81 people today. >> in what sense? >> they have been saying they will give us documents, some started giving us documents. >> do you anticipate that these letters and these requests that you sent out today will be the first step towards subpoenas that to some of these people and entity ifs they don't cooperate? >> if they don't cooperate, yes. we don't know they won't cooperate. in the initial bach of requests we sent to the 81 people, we limited the requests to material they had submitted to other agencies to the special prosecutor, southern district so that they could respond quickly and there could be no question of privilege. we will follow up with some of them, maybe many of them with other document requests for documents they haven't submitted but to get speedy compliance to start the work quickly, the initial document request was for documents they turned over to other people. >> and when i think about that
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in terms of your overall remit, obviously procedurally, that makes sense of getting things fast. if they have gotten documents over, that means they can't say they have to be held secret. >> that's right. but it means you won't go getting anything new that other law enforcement or investigative entities haven't seen. >> not initially. our job is very different from other law enforcement agencies. the special counsel prosecutor has a mandate to investigate the russian collusion by the trump administration or anybody else with that interference with the election, and only to look at crimes. the southern district of new i don't work also only looks at crime. we have to look at a much broader question. our jock is to protect the rule of law in this country. that means we have to look at the three major threats to the rule of law we've seen and that is corruption, personal
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enrichment in vooims violation of the emoluments clause, and it means abuse of power and in terms of various things that have been done and means interference with elections. it means abuse of power, attacks on the press and judiciary and attacks on law enforcement agencies and obstruction of justice interference with the various investigations that are going on. >> in preparation for sending out these documents requests today, did you have to go through a deconflict process with the justice department? >> we talked with the justice department, southern district and special prosecutors to make sure nothing we were doing was interfering. there are ongoing meetings between the staffs of the different committees and every so often the chairman to make sure we're not wasting time. that we're not duply indicating
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what we're doing. >> are there lines of inquiry that you would be pursuing through document requests like these or some other means that you'd like to be pursuing but you aren't specifically because of special counsel's waved you off or southern district waved you off? >> no, no. we're not pursuing the whole question of collusion with the russians, for example, because the intelligence committee is pursuing that. >> let me ask about -- talking about obstruction of justice. there's been a drama that you can see a lot more of and we can only see a little bit as the public that relate to whether or not the president pressured or contacted matt whitaker when he was acting attorney general essentially asking whitaker to intervene in the southern district of new york if a different prosecutor could be put in charge of the cohen matter for example. you suggest in letters made public your committee has evidence that the president did in fact ask whitaker to lean on sdny. can you talk to us about that at all? >> i can't get into the specifics.
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but we have reason to believe that's the case and that's one of the reasons we asked whitaker to come back to the committee, which he will be doing shortly. >> shortly? >> i forget the date. in the next couple weeks. >> you have a specific date with him? >> i think so. >> is it important he left the justice department, the d.o.j. -- >> i don't know. i heard that for the first time on your show. i don't know what the impact of that is. or whether it has an impact. >> does it have an effect on whether or not you can get him to come back? >> no, it does not. he's subject -- he's agreed to come back and subject to subpoena like anybody else. >> if the president did ask him why can't the recused u.s. attorney that i picked for that job be in charge, why are these cohen prosecutions going ahead. if the president was asking questions about that out of frustration, is that necessarily improper especially given -- >> it would depend if it was pure curiosity, it was intended as such and understood as such, why does this have to happen?
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well, mr. president, it's improper. oh, okay. that wouldn't be a terrible thing. but if it was an open invitation or a coded communication, that would be an abuse of power and obstruction of justice too. >> is that what you have? you have evidence of that kind of communication? that's what we're looking into. >> when we read through all of these document requests today, we were looking for themes in terms of what various lines are pursuing, my general feeling is you know what you're looking for. that there are maybe as many as 20 different things that you're looking into in terms of different occurrences you want explained and relationships you want exposed. but my sense is that you know what you're driving at. >> we know about a lot at what we're driving at. not to say as more evidence comes to light that other
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subjects won't reveal themselves. >> can you tell us a little bit about the manpower or the firepower you have on your staff? i mean this is a lot of material. >> yeah, this is a lot of material. we have our normal staff plus as has been reported, we hired two very good attorneys on a contract basis on the committee for this investigation that -- beyond that, it's our regular staff. >> are you worried -- >> who are also working on everything else like immigration and gun control and you name it. >> have you bitten off more than you can chew here? i imagine this is going to be a voluminous a. stuff about to get back. >> i don't think so. i think we'll be able to prioritize and know what we're looking for. remember, we're talking about a situation where for two years, the republican congress did no oversight than the administration, none. they in fact acted as shields for administration for whatever they wanted to do. they tried to sabotage the mueller investigation for example. but we must have the
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constitution contemplates the situation which congress has a check on the executive and vice versa. you must have that check and we have to protect the rule of law and that means we have to investigate and hold hearings and layout for the american people if the administration is involved in abuses of power or obstruction of justice and certainly violation of the emoluments clause of personal enrichment we have to know about that and lay that out and people have to know about it and see what we can do about it. there has to be a check on the executive and we have to protect the rule of law and that's what we're doing here. >> mr. chairman jerry nadler and the house, please keep us apprised. i know it takes a lot out of your schedule to be here tonight. thank you, sir. >> thank you. >> much more to come tonight. stay with us. so many interesting details. ancestrydna was able to tell me where my father's family came from in columbia. they pinpointed the columbian and ecuador region and then there's a whole new andean region. that was incredibly exciting because i really didn't know that.
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he won that race and went as a brand-new congressman in his first term he cast a vote for the assault assault weapons ban. that vote cost him his seat in congress. he was out at the end of one term. can he told "rolling stone" saying, quote, it was the rote right vote then and it's the right vote now. i knew it was going to be lights out, but i vote on conviction, so i did. that assault weapons ban vote cost him his seat. they went home and he and his wife and boys moved to a different part of the state. a few years later it was time to run again against a republican. it had been represented by a democrat once in the previous 46 years, but he beat that republican and went back to d.c. this time he stayed for a dozen years. and when he made national news in congress over that dozen years, it was usually because he was sticking his jaw out and planting his feet and confronting someone from either party or special interests or someone just not following through.
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>> nationwide police departments complain that the higher level of vigilance is draining their budget. they want $3.5 billion bottled up in congress. >> we appreciate the administration raising the threat level to orange but we need to see green. >> oil company executives were under fire for failing to invest more in alternative fuels while earning a record $123 billion in profits last year. democrats are tloepgt cut off $18 billion in tax breaks passed by a republican congress. >> if you were going to give awards for taxpayer abuses, this would win the heisman and the oscar and the noble prize. >> you know who benefits from the estate tax? the top three-tenths of one percent. 99.7% of families do not benefit one nickel. >> today the president held his ground. telling democrats if they don't
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go along, the unemployed and middle class families suffer. >> americans would see it in smaller paychecks. that would have the effect of fewer jobs. >> but house democrats demand new negotiations. >> we would like to find a bipartisan way forward, but our caucus will not submit to hostage taking and we will not submit to this deal. >> that last fight there was over a provision to cut the estate tax on the wealthiest in the country and as you saw, that was a fight with the president of his own party. and now, i think because he's a two-term governor and governors by definition have to prioritize goenk, so they're always seen as more practical than any similarly situated politician who's not a governor, now his run for presidency is being characterized as the start of the arrival of the moderates into the democratic presidential field and you know, honestly, at this point call any candidates anything you want to but spell
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their name right but jay inslee has always been a progressive in the democratic party and voted against the iraq war and bank bailout and voted against the repeal of glass-steagall that set the deregular knows falling that caused the wall street crash in the first place. as governor his state was the first state in the country to sue trump over the muslim ban and the moratorium in the death penalty the state followed up by abolishing the death penalty and signed a state-wide guaranteed paid family leave plan. you get 12 weeks paid time off as state law from work for having a kid or serious medical issue and equal pay law for men and women and the first state net neutrality law and proposed a statewide version of the public option for health insurance. the pick up option got traded away at the national level when obamacare passed, but now
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they're going to do it in his state. public option for health insurance everybody can buy into and statewide pardons for marijuana misdemeanor related convictions. his state's minimum wage is $12 an hour. it will be $13.50 by this time next year and at the airport it's $16 an hour, a little bit above that at airport and one of the highest rates of job growth at the country and with that kind of a record, you might build a progressive presidential campaign around any of those things or all of them. but he has decided instead to run on one issue, one issue that he has been working on all along. >> we have got to stop rewarding. >> everyone in this country knows. >> climate is changing. >> new energy future. >> climate change. >> climate change. >> we should be dealing with climate change. >> climate change. >> climate change. >> we need to defeat climate change. >> that's what i believe. >> we're the first generation to feel the sting of climate change. and we're the last that can do something about it. we went to the moon.
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and created technologies that have changed the world. our country's next mission must be to rise up to the most urgent challenge of our time, defeating climate change. >> people usually throw the phrase one-issue candidate around like it's an insult, like it's an epithet. washington governor jay inslee is running with that himself and he's running with it now. it's also how he's been governing. he blocked construction of a terminal to export coal to china and signed a tax on pipelines putting pipeline operators on the hook for funding oil spill response. he was a key co-sponsor on the last big climate legislation that passed anything in washington. it was the cap and trade bill that passed the house in '09 but died in the senate. years before that, he was co-sponsoring, sponsoring switching fossil fuels to
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renewable's and making a gazillion new jobs and the precursor to a green new deal. that so many democrats are endorsing now. he was doing it 15 years ago waiting for the rest of the country to catch up. joining us now for the interview is jay inslee. governor of washington and a caendidat for president in the democratic primer. governor >> thanks for having me on. nice to see you. i enjoyed that saga. >> this is your life. >> thank you very much. >> let me -- i know that you are running your campaign about climate change and i want to talk to you about that but let me ask you the counter point off the bat. one of the things that you said in interviews when talking about that cap and trade bill, the last thing that ever passed washington on climate change in 2009 was that that was an opportunity cost problem. the democrats under president obama decided they wanted to do health care that didn't leave enough in the tank to get cap and trade done. if you run on climate change,
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what are you most worried that you are leaving out? you're trying to run as a single issue candidate. what do you most regret thinking isn't going to be on your agenda because you're going to one as this one-issue guy. >> we don't have to do that because i demonstrated we can advance a climate action agenda while doing these other things. first net neutrality. best paid family leave. we got rid of the death penalty and pardoning people, we've legalized marijuana and great transportation and took on trump and the muslim ban. we were able to do those things but the experience that we had in congress and my experience as a governor, to govern is to choose and you learn to set priorities and what i learned this is such an enormous lift, we have to make it a commitment we're going to use our political capital first and foremost for political capital first and foremost in building a new clean energy economy and i'm committed to that and the only candidate who is committed to that and said so because it will
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not get done unless we do have presidential leadership to make it that type of priority. it needs to be first. we need to put captain, political capital into it and the intellectual power and everything we have. this is not just a single issue. it's not just about the economy. it is the economy. our economy is getting ravaged by climate change and forest products industry is burning down. we're losing tourists dollars because of floods. houston flooded. miami beach. we have to invest money in raising the roads instead of our schools. so this is an economic issue. it is a health issue. the asthma our kids are having is just traumatic for families. if you ever heard a kid wheezing, climate change is a health issue and national security issue. you talk about national security and do a great job and we appreciate it, but it will get worse if we have mass migration created by political instability around the world and you know what agrees with me is generals
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and admirals in the pentagon. it is an all encompassing issue and we can't solve other problems. i do believe it's encompassing and this is the right priority. >> i know that you have made this a priority before it was cool, before people were talking about it for a long time and you worked on it both in the skplchlkt congress and as governor. i think now we're at a point where anybody is going to vote in the democratic primary for president, will tell you that climate change matters to them. >> right. >> they will tell you that it's a priority for them and they want a candidate and a nominee that will be good on that issue. the other thing that they want more than that, "f" they're voting in the democratic primary is to beat president trump and make him a one-term president. and i think a big part of the narrative americans have told each other and ourselves about how trump won in 2016 that she won the coal states, that he won states the democrats university win and won them by going in and saying i'm going to revive the coal industry. what happens in pennsylvania and ohio and other states like that, west virginia even where the president made that his point of attack?
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>> well, what i have shown is we can win wisconsin, michigan, minnesota, illinois and kansas because we won it this year. i was chairman of the democratic governor's association and worked to fashion an economic development message that will create jobs for people in all kinds of industries including manufacturing industries in part around clean energy jobs and he flipped five seats down the heartland of the midwest. we won in the midwest big time with my governors who i was associated with because we came up with smart messages not just the midwest. we picked up two governor's seats not southwest where michelle campaigned on top of a wind turbine and steve sislak will be building solar farms. this is a message that can connect to the economic anxieties of people with whom we did not connect in 2016. look, somebody who was challenging me, you know, senator mccain's daughter was challenging me today on another show. >> i've heard of that show.
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>> she said how can you have economic growth? i said because we're going to build a general motors in bolt built in o ryan, michigan. iowa has wind turbines like crazy. in my state, you can't turnover a rock out seeing clean energy jobs. this is not just a hallucination. the clean energy jobs today are growing twice as fast. as the average u.s. economy. number one fastest growing job, solar installer. number two, wind turbine technician. this is a perfect way to connect with those economic anxieties and win those states, which is critical to beating donald trump. there is a deeper contrast with him. do i believe in contrast? look, he is a pessimist. he's a fearful person with moronic ideas that wind turbines will say you can never have a television set to work, what a
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bunch of baloney that is. we're the optimist and can do people. we don't fear the future, we build it. we don't fear challenge, we embrace it. we don't fear the world, we create new worlds. that's who we are as american people. i think that we are the deeper character alive when john f. kennedy said we'll go to the moon. i believe america can respond and they are responding. we had contributors from all 50 states proud to say we raised the first million dollars. >> we'll be right back with jay inslee of washington right after this. stay with us. h us [ guttural grunt ] exactly. nothing! they're completely different people. that's why they make customized car insurance from liberty mutual. they'll only pay for what they need. yes, and they could save a ton. you've done it again, limu. [ limu grunts ] only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty, liberty, liberty, liberty ♪
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her name the is mary johnson. he asked us about the lawsuit from 16 states challenging the president over his national emergency for a border wall. your state has not joined that. she said curious why washington did not join the lawsuit against trump's national emergency declaration. is that related to the governor's presidential bid? >> no, we are going to sue the president as we have on at least 16 occasions or 20 by now and we've been very successful. i'm glad we were the first to shut down the muslim bag. -- ban. bob ferguson is a great attorney general for us and i'm proud to be the first governor to fight against it. in this case we'll sue him the moment he purports to take a dollar out of our state. >> you want standing. >> we want to have standing and make sure we win. there is a concept in the law you have to have standing to be able to bring the lawsuit. we want to make sure we win that. when we have standing, the moment he says he'll take a dollar out of this for his vanity bumper sticker project on the southern border, we'll sue. the complaint has been drafted.
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mary, be confident. we will continue to be very aggressive protecting our rights. >> one of the ways republicans tried to rally other republicans to oppose the emergency national declaration was by saying you let him declare a national emergency, you're going to get a crazy democrat who will declare a climate emergency and that was supposed to be a terrifying idea that it would rattle republicans into abandoning the president on that. what's your reaction to that? >> first off. listen, there is no national emergency on the boarder. there is a political emergency, which is donald trump is in trouble because of his multiple depry addition -- y addition - we have better things to spend billions on. number two, i do believe it's unlawful and unconstitutional, and it is very clear for this reason. looked the president went to congress and asked congress for the money to build the wall. the congress on a bipartisan
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basis, both parties, his party and democrats agreed we will not do that. that is a terrible idea. they rejected his request. >> a president inslee said we need a moon shoot for renewable energy, congress said no, a president inslee wouldn't declare a national emergency. >> not under our understanding of the law because we believe that would be a violation of the separation of powers, and it would be a consistent refusal to honor the decision by congress. this is not like we all of a sudden had an emergency in congress and hadn't had a chance to think about it. he went to congress, congress said no. now, if the rules change, if the supreme court changes the rules, all of the presidents will have to follow whatever those rules are then. and we know that climate is an emergency. if you go to paradise, california, as i did, a town of 25,000, and you walk through or drive through like i did at dark, it looks like an
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neutron bomb went off, it looks like an apocalypse and 80 plus people died. we have a true national emergency. it is climate change. it demand an immediate response. but the best way to do it is to have congress and the president pass legislation and get this job done. i will be proposing very specific proposals on how to do that. >> governor jay inslee of washington state. congratulations. >> thank you. >> thank you. we'll be right back. stay with us. g) hey, who are you? oh, hey jeff, i'm a car thief... what?! i'm here to steal your car because, well, that's my job. what? what?? what?! (laughing) what?? what?! what?! [crash] what?! haha, it happens. and if you've got cut-rate car insurance, paying for this could feel like getting robbed twice. so get allstate... and be better protected from mayhem... like me. ♪ into our subaru forester. we fit a lot of life
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3 one last piece of news, since we've been on the air the "wall street journal" posted this story. as you can see from the headline, lawyer for michael cohen approached trumps about pardon, possibility of presidential pardon was broached and dismissed after april fbi raid on cohen's premises. as we just discussed can jerry nadler, one of the issues being pursued is the prospect that pardons were dangled to michael cohen or potentially other witnesses and other the subjects of the the various russia investigations that may have been improperly offered as essentially a means of trying to persuade those witnesses or subjects of the investigation to cast things in the president's favor in exchange for a pardon but this is the "wall street journal" tonight reporting that one of michael cohen's attorneys, his attorney at the time steven ryan himself affirmatively approached trump's
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attorneys after cohen was raided asking about the possibility of a pardon. just posted tonight by "the wall street journal." see you again tomorrow. that does it for us tonight. now it is time for "the last word" with lawrence o'donnell. >> once again, i'm learning my >> in the crossover, sorry. >> yes. no, i need to hear it and so if you need more time to expand on this "wall street journal" report, this is new ground. this idea that the pardon was being dangled in front of michael cohen. obviously, something happened to that because michael cohen has clearly given up on the pardon strategy. >> yeah, so michael cohen gets there and in his opening statements as i would not seek or accept a pardon from trump, that gave rise to these really interesting reports over the weekend that what he has was talk about behind closed doors at the intelligence committee is the prospect he was being dangled a pardon around the type the fbi and sdny was taken. this "wall street journal" story sort of casts that the other way


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