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i saved the best for last. i will read it to you from alyssa's book. when michelle obama is shaking her head at you, stop what you are doing. she is always right. just one little smidge of the wisdom in her wonderful book. notes on growing up, getting older and trusting your gut. notable that that was one of the only paragraphs i could find without an f bomb or a substance in it. >> we have to be real. >> i'll going home to read the whole thing. thanks to donny and matt and eli here. "mtp daily" starts now. you're here. >> i am excited i'm here. i would like a copy of that book before i leave for the plane tonight. >> it's written for you. all of us. >> i'm very much looking forward to that. congratulations, alyssa.
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if it's tuesday, what's the investigation end game? >> good evening. as nicole just let the cat out of the bag, welcome to "mtp daily" we have a major development as michael bloomberg announces he is not running. with bloomberg out, the question centers on whether joe biden is getting in. we are thinking if bloomberg thought he was not rung, bloomberg wouldn't be out. think about that for a minute. we will get to that. there is now more hard evidence that the president might have committed a crime while in office. the president's lawyer may have dangled a pardon for michael cohen. they are investigating possible insurance fraud being investigated in the trump organization. the white house is battling more investigations and bob mueller
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could drop his report any day now. we begin with a major dilemma facing not the president, but the democrats. they clearly telegraphed they could find a thousand smoking guns and it doesn't matter. they are not going to start impeachment proceedings if it looks like partisan warfare. define that. the latest move publicly announcing a sweeping probe of 81 people and entities opened them up to the criticism that they are engaging in partisan warfare. the 81 requests are not coming from the oversight committee. they are coming from the committee where impeachment is supposed to begin. judiciary. the crux of the president's strategy is to paint this as partisan warfare. here he is this afternoon at the white house. >> 81 people or organizations got letters. it's a disgrace to our country. i'm not surprised that it's happening. they started the campaign so the campaign begins. the anger.
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they haven't gotten used to the fact that we won a lot of states that haven't been won by republicans in a long time. essentially what they are saying is the campaign begins instead of doing infrastructure, instead of doing health care and so many things that they should be doing, they want to play games. >> surprise, surprise. we learned that the white house is not going to cooperate. they are refusing to hand over documents in the house oversight committee's investigation into jared kushner's security clearance. a move perhaps designed to delay things and paint partisan warfare as well. if the democrats have to keep asking for forms or papers or records, it just looks like they are nagging the white house, right? mr. trump was elected in part because his base views him as a straight tark. are democrats being straight with their base? they seem to be moving towards impeachment? should they just say it? the chief counsel to the house judiciary democrats in the bill clinton impeachment.
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he joins the panel and ab white house reporter noah rothman and contributor and editor and author of the new book, unjust. social justice and the unmaking of america. a former clinton campaign adviser. julia, i will start with you. you had this role of being a committee lawyer. you have been on the -- you were on defense, if you will, when the majority was the republicans and impeachment was bill clinton. looking at yesterday's ask, could it have been and should it have been done as publicly as it was? >> i think it was brilliant and exactly what the opposite of what the republicans did in 1998. in 1998 the republicans got way out in front of the facts and they were driven by politics. the entire thing was seen as a partisan exercise. they didn't have a strong case. it ended up backfiring on them in the congress and backfired on them legally.
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in terms of public opinion, here is exactly the opposite of that. what you do when you have a tiger by the tail here is you have to remember there is two parts of this. a political part and a legal part. on the political part, you have to keep your own caucus in line. the best way to keep the caucus in line i think this was a very effective way of keeping it in line. what they have done is satisfied the liberal and it is far left members and the moderates through what is going to be a very aggressive oversight agenda. the second thing is you have to begin to think about how to persuade republicans. remember the mueller report may or may not be very detailed in terms of what it provides. this investigative process, you remember watergate was 14 months of investigations. if there is going to be a chance of persuading moderate republican that is something needs to be done about the various different abuses, you are going to have to have a very compelling forum and record laid
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out. what nadler is doing is very, very smart. he is saying we will be driven by the facts and driven by the law and not the politics. when you get into the legal side, there is a lot of things. a lot of the partisans see the legal case on republican and democratic side and respectively they see it in simple terms. either trump is guilty of a slew of violations or he isn't. it will be much more complicated than that. the question on collusion and we should stop talking about collusion. that's a terrible term. the $64,000 question and the holy grail is the question of conspiracy. conspiracy requires that the president entered into an agreement with the russians on election interference. we have a lot of smoke about that, but not smoking gun evidence about that. if you are going to persuade republicans on the question of impeachment, you have to have more evidence than that. on obstruction of justice -- >> let me pause you there because i want to get other folks in there. i sort of want to get -- i
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understand the larger reason to do that. the question i have and i'm curious, it looks like nadler said i want to get everything. i'm going to get all the evidence from every probe i know of. rather than being surgical and saying okay, i understand this is an insurance policy on mueller evidence. that is first and foremost. say that. that could have been step one. you sort of move methodically so people don't view it as -- >> that is the danger they are running here. being found guilty of overreach. that's how the read is going to paint them. the two words we are hearing, presidential harassment. that's his new trope and what he is going to say. this is all politics and nothing there. if you are the democrats, they could have been more clear on that. at the same time elections have consequences and this is what they told the voters they are going to do. they were going to investigate this president and his administration and business. that also means his family. they are going to move forward.
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if they had gone to tentatively to alienate the people who put them there and so much energy on the left right now and if you are trying to hold off impeachment, you want to show you are holding the president accountable without going to the more politically dangerous work. >> it is familiar territory among the house members if you went to 2010 to 2016 and house republicans. they were always in this. some of the base wanted to do a lot more and they were like um, we will try a special committee here or that one there. >> that's appropriate. there is an institutional problem if you are using impeachment as a platform to lay out the political case against the president. it's not moving the ball forward. that's not a precedent we are familiar with. establishing impeachment to investigate before he was the president does move the needle further. that's something we should be fearful of. that's a tool that will be used against the next president from
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the next party. it will be the status quo to use impeachment as a means to litigate a political case against the president. democrats are saying this is premature. these investigations are ongoing. in the southern district and the mueller probe. this is just another. if we talk about impeachment before those concluded, on democrats's own terms, they are moving prematurely. >> this is part of the language problem. this is what they are doing. they are preparing for impeachment, just don't call it that yet. >> we have to think of two phases. impeachment and removal are two steps. they are conducting oversight of the executive branch because republicans did not do it for two years. they took back control and they say we see potential misconduct in the areas and we will get all the do you means and go methodically and try to investigate. i don't think that the democrats's goal is to impeach or remove the president. the goal is to be transparent
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with the american people about all of the corruption in this administration, lay it out on the table and that vote, that potentially would be in the senate and they would need 67 votes to remove. it doesn't have to be in the senate. you can have the american people remove the president in november of 2020 because you have them receiving all of the evidence. they are able to decide for themselves. >> that is interesting to me. the calendar. both bill clinton and richard nixon heated up in the second term. there was no reelect to worry about. this is heating up in the first term and there is going to be a moment that is very pragmatic left and right. that said let the voters decide the case. >> for becomes too late to impeach. she is right. there is value in investigation and exposedure. i think also in the kind of media storm around this thing, we lost sight of the fact that impeachment is not the only
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remedy. there are a half dozen reforms that would be useful. for example, you can make it clear in a statute that a president can be prosecute and that prosecution should be upon under seal until he leaves office. that would be important. for example, you can provide enforcement in emoluments and statutory enforcement. >> something in congress that can essentially force a presidential nominee, not president because of the executive branch, but a presidential nominee to put their businesses in some sort of blind trust and that way, it's all right there by the time they get elected president. >> you can do that and the states can as a requirement for getting on the ballot in a general election. one of the problems that this investigation might face, for example, is enforcing a subpoena. what people don't realize is enforcing a subpoena in the courts always works in favor of the executive branch. they can run the clock. there is a variety of ways they
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can stall subpoenas and run through appeals and stall a subpoena for months and months and months. if you are going to do anything whether one of the reforms or if you get to the question of impeachment, that hinges on the question i got to before about was there experience? was there an agreement with the russians? that was the thing that would move the republicans. if you are going to do anything, you have to persuade republicans. watergate was 14 months. the mueller report and the nfl was widely criticized for how much it didn't say. we don't know what the mueller report is going to say. it will be public. the question about whether we will get access is a silly debate. we will get access, but the public hearing cross if you are going to persuade, that is what it's going do. >> i want to put one more question to you. what could you in the minority do it gum up the works? >> ken starr made so many mistakes. he was rebuked by the courts and
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held monica lewinsky without an attorney. there was so much overreach. the context of the extra marital affair and whether you should use impeachment. the overreach by the republicans and starr, the case for itself was easy. >> the republican minority, what could you do? >> there was a lot to shoot at. there was a confined set of facts in the clinton case and clear political overreach. the public believed that. you are in the opposite situation here. if i were the republicans right now, what i would be saying, you know what, let's have the investigation. we embrace the investigation. i would try to get the facts out on the table. i think if you want to take one example on the obstruction of justice, this is when i say when you get into the legal case, this is more complicated than we realize. everybody thinks that james comey and his firing was obstruction of justice. a classic case. i believe it was obstruction of justice.
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the president and the president's defenders will say yeah, he fired james comey not because of the russia investigation, not because he was obstructing justice, but he was leaking. he has the right to do it. when you get into the debate, it gets more complex than we realize it's going to be. if i were the republicans, i think it's just the fact that they look like they are so cravenly defending the president and trying to prevent an investigation, i don't think it works for them. we had a dozen tactics that worked against ken starr in 1998 and it worked effectively. >> the white house is going to slow up. we have seen is that with the kushner example. they are not going to turn over the documents. they hired 17 yore attorneys and they'll slow the process down. they want to run out the clock that not only do they want to put it to the voters, but this
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allows the president to have the backdrop for his reelection campaign. the more the democrat dos that, the agenda will be snarled because they will be responding to all these requests. the president can play the victim. he can play the overreach card and say i came to washington to change things and we got things done and now we don't because the democrats do. >> hillary clinton tried that. there was a point where it seemed to work and then it didn't. harassing her worked. >> it did and republicans are in jeopardy here. if you were being machiavellian in terms of the judiciary, you are lobbying and establishing that this is not an effective investigation and once you start talking about evidence and witnesses who are involved in the southern district of new york examination, then you are going to interfere with that investigation. you could possibly damage that investigation. >> that's interesting. >> i think the jared kushner piece is separate.
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that is specifically about security clearances and precedent for the fact that they are approving 30 folks that the professionals denied. i see that as something separate and a lot of these investigations you can extrapolate them out and these set of facts have nothing to do with russia or collusion or anything to do with the election, but misconduct by this approximate the and his administration while he has been president and congress is simply doing the job they were elected to do. that could be an effective message even though republicans will scream overreach. they would have done that anyway. >> the best thing going for the president is there are so many investigations. i hate to say that. >> so many crimes. >> one would be more lethal. >> it's not too many investigations, but 14 crimes were enumerated by michael cohen under oath. that's why there are so many investigations. >> if you can't keep it together, that is boiling it down to a sentence. >> democrats have to figure out
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how to do that. good to see you, sir. you guys are stuck with me for the rest of the hour. coming up, as more evidence emerges with michael cohen and the alleged hush money payments, they were ongoing discussions of a possible pardon for cohen. plus, taking on trump. i will speak with the man who is looking to challenge the president in a republican prima primary. prima primary. with the most lobster dishes lobsterfesof the yearred lobster like lobster lover's dream and new ultimate lobsterfest surf and turf. so come lobsterfest today! and now for a limited time, get ten percent off red lobster to go. it's easy to move forward when you're ready for what comes next. at fidelity, we make sure you have a clear plan to cover the essentials in retirement, as well as all the things you want to do. and on the way, you'll get timely investment help to keep you on the right track, without the unnecessary fees you might expect from so many financial firms.
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welcome back. we have been following several developing legal stories involving the white house this evening, including now one concerning a new one. michael cohen. yes, there is another one. as first reported by the "wall street journal," an attorney for the former fixer discuss the possibility of a pardon with one of the president's attorneys last year after federal agents raided cohen's home and office. we learned there was more than one conversation about a pardon and congress is looking into
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whether or not the us used a pardon to coax cohen to continue lying about the payments. meanwhile the house chairman is accusing the white house about lying by refusing to hand over documents into the security clearances including jared kushner. they called the demands unprecedented and intrusive. we never had a situation like this with a security clearance before. they also claim he is over-10 stepping his authority on his committee. a senior fbi official is now an msnbc contributor. mr. rosen berg, i will start with the pardon story. here's where i'm trying to figure out the legal issue here. pure legal issue. if the president has this power to pardon, ultimately whether he broke the law or not is not up to the justice department, it's up to congress. is there a legal investigation to be done that's different from
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congress's investigation into the idea of dangling a pardon? >> i think there is, chuck. it's a hard legal question, but here's how i think it would play out. the constitution gives the president extraordinarily broad pardon powers. there is only one limitation which is in cases of impeachment. let's say a president sold a pardon. chuck todd is in trouble and coughs up $5 million we had a g tennessee that sold pardons as he was walking out the door. that was not theoretical. >> for would have been under the constitution. not under the u.s. constitution. say you, chuck todd cough up $5 million in return for a pardon or say in return for your pardon, you agree to lie to the fbi or withhold evidence or remain silent. even though the constitution
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says the president's pardon authority is broad, i don't think construction would say it's broad enough to cover crimes. you would have to litigate it, but i think that could be construed and i'm confident that could be construed as obstruction of justice, if it happened. >> we had the mark rich pardon and it never got -- if you recall, this was somebody who bill clinton pardonened towards the end of his presidency. the accusation was his wife, he was not in the united states, but his wife bought the pardon and started to contributing a lot of money and got meetings and that stuff. where is that illegal? >> again, tough question. i'm not wholly familiar except to know it happened out the door under strange circumstances. it looked tawdry to say the least. again, i think you can make an argument that if you sell a pardon, that is not in any way what our founders envisioned. >> is that an indictment or a
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grand jury or challenge the justice department's authority about whether they can indict a sitting president? >> it can be a non-sitting president. every president becomes a former president at some point. if the president did that and you could prove it beyond a reasonable doubt, you could wait until a president is no longer president and bring that charge criminally. >> let me go to the jared kushner situation. it seems as if, and the back and forths on executive privilege are going to be tremendous. obviously some of it is a political strategy by the white house to delay, delay, delay and i understand that. what do you think will be the difficult case to get the information they need on jared kushner? >> it may be a difficult case. there is a legitimate thing called executive privilege. in 1974 when the supreme court ruled that nixon had to turn over his tapes which led to his downfall, of course. in that same opinion, there is a
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qualified executive privilege. it's hard for us sitting here today to knowa what the congress wants and over what the white house is asserting executive privilege. that's going to probably be litigated unless they can reach accommodation and right now the two sides seem relatively far apart. >> that are has to do with the judiciary request from the committee there. that goes to securing the mueller evidence. i looked at what they did and it seemed to me the priority one was securing the evidence mueller had. i guess my question is, where does that evidence go and why can't it be turned -- is that up to the department of justice solely? to turn that evidence over to congress if they ask for it? >> i will take the first part first. some of that evidence that mueller amasses is going to be either protected by rule 60 of the rules of criminal procedure, lawyer way of saying grand jury
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information which you can't just turn over to anyone else. or it could be classified or there could be ongoing investigations. it's not clear to me that everything in mueller's report can easily go to the congress or be made public. that's something that barr is going to have to decide. to your larger point, it seems like the congress has at least a couple of reasons to get as much stuff as it can. one is for its own oversight responsibilities. its own investigations. the other is perhaps as you surmise to make sure as much of this stuff doesn't just disappear if the mueller report can't be made in whole or in part. >> when does evidence get destroyed? how does that work? >> in a routine case, we keep it for years and years in the u.s. attorney's office until all appeals are exhausted and the supreme court denies and then probably another decade. we hold on to stuff for a long
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welcome back. a breaking news edition of 2020 vision. former mayor michael bloomberg will not seek the democratic nomination for president or run at all in 2020. he writes i believe i would defeat donald trump in a general election, but i am clear-eyed about the difficulty of winning in such a crowded field. calling president trump a threat to the country, they urged him from nominating a far left candidate. we cannot allow them to drag the party to diminish our party to translate into four more years bloomberg's absence could open up the lane in the democratic party and likely a sign that joe biden is likely to run. one would assume mr. bloomberg and mr. biden have been talking. we will have the candidate who
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what would any republican be thinking saying this is a guy i'm going to run against. have at it and waste your time and money and go ahead and lose. >> welcome back. despite what you just heard from the chair, one republican is preparing to challenge the president. recent history shows it could be a bad sign for mr. trump. since 1968, no sitting president who faced a primary opponent served a second term. while the presidents battled insurgent wings of their own party, president trump has the support of the insurgent wing and for now, the establishment wing of the gop. our latest "wall street journal" poll had his job approval rating with republicans at nearly 90%. joining me now is former massachusetts republican governor and the 2016 libertarian nominee. he launched the exploratory
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committee and the federal government said there is no difference between exploring a run and running. >> i'm actively exploring and thank you for having me here. is that not daunting. >> i would say two things. if six months it an eternity, what is two years? a lot could depend on the shape and size of the electorate in various elections. 20 states where independents can cross over and take a republican ballot. i benefitted from that in massachusetts. we will certainly not let the states go unexampled. >> you run center left. center right. to the left of where the other candidate is, there is a ceiling. you hit a ceiling. you can win new hampshire and do well in massachusetts.
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when you get to the south, how are you going to win a vote? >> wasn't running to the left of anybody. when i was governor of massachusetts in the 90s, by the "wall street journal" and the kato institute. that's the good housekeeping seal of approval. this president hasn't vetoed a dime. does the party care anymore? >> they should. >> i hear you, but do they? >> it's a mill stone around the neck. it really is. a trillion dollars a year and nobody in washington seems to be minding the store. no household in america could spend that much more than it takes in and i think eventually people wake up to that fact. >> how did you leave the libertarian party. you were trying to convince them and said you would be a libertarian for life. >> i have good relations with people who are in that party. most of them have written to me and said right on, we are with
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you whether you are an r or an l. it's not a bad relationship, but if you are going to do something to try to change what's going on in washington in this country, you need a one on one and that had to be right. >> i don't think you could have made more of a difference by giving a larger voice? >> i don't. we had two term republican governors and got 3% of the vote. >> so basic theal convinced you, this is a two-party country whether you like it or not. >> i don't like it. i don't like what's going on in washington and people are not addressing climate change and not addressing the jobs that are going to be lost in the next 10 years. >> you don't sound like the republican party. is that a problem? >> no. people are going to listen. it's true that we are going to lose 15 to 25% of the jobs in this country because of artificial intelligence and drones and machine learning and all that stuff.
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automated driving vehicles. nobody is doing anything about it. we have to plan ahead and i suggested we needed gi bill for all the people who will be displaced workers. no one in washington seems to have tweaked to that. there are a lot of things i would like to do at 1600 pennsylvania avenue. >> you have quite a professional background when it comes to criminal cases. you work nltd the justice department in the reagan administration if i'm not mistaken. how would you tackle what bob mueller is tackling or do you think the southern district of new york is the place to go after the president? >> there has been very interesting developments recently up to and including chairman nadler's 81 letters of inquiry that went out. a lot of them were addressed at not the president himselfing, but the trump organization and we per -- was fraud engaged in to support the organization and it opens up the possibility that someone could proceed against the organization. not the president himself.
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i'm one of those who thinks you cannot and should not be able to haul the president off to criminal court to answer a garden variety criminal charge. the constitution does say that even if impeach the president is liable for indictment and prosecution and punishment after he leaves office, there has to be room someplace for criminal proceedings, but not while the man is in office. there is no bar ongoing after an organization and saying you are the product of mail fraud, wire fraud, which, as you know, as rudy julian whoa taught me a lot of predicate offenses for a racketeering indictment. >> if you can't indict the president, endit the trump organization? my point is, if you did that -- >> it could be. >> that's a way of getting at the president, but you can't legally. that's the closest you can come. >> i'm not saying the evidence is there, but it could be done legally. >> one of the other things is
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the statute of limitations. if no one is above the law and that's what article one says. there has to be room for a sealed indictment. and a president would be able to escape any prosecution and be above the law by having two terms. >> let me close the loop this way. what would make you decide i'm not doing this. >> what would have prevented me is no support out there. so far as i hear from anybody, it's right on. right on. >> larry hogan got in and would you get out or would you have a buddy? >> would welcome him in and welcome john kasich who i supported last time. before i became --
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>> is there any way you would support donald trump? >> that's a pretty long put. >> you are not ruling it out? >> that's a long put, but i beat the europeans in the ryder cup. >> he does speak in golf. good to see you. stay save on the trail. up ahead, biden his time. what bloomberg's decision to get out means for all those waiting for biden to get in. l those wai for biden to get in. on making it easyreally pris to get your windshield fixed. with safelite, you can see exactly when we'll be there. saving you time for what you love most. >> kids: whoa! >> kids vo: ♪ safelite repair, safelite replace ♪ woman: this is your wake-up call. if you have moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis,
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i'm obsessed with the rise of anti-semitism and a game of what aboutism being played by both parties. stop it. you both have a problem. the house will vote tomorrow on a resolution to contemn anti-semitism by democrats prompted by two remarks by the freshman congresswoman omar of minnesota. last month she tweeted that the are you luktance to criticize israel was all about the benjamins, in other words, money. i want to talk about the political influence that said it is okay to push for allegiance to a foreign country. juice are money-obsess and omar opened the door for them to point fingers and say the left has a problem with anti-semit m anti-semitism. it does. unless you want to forget the chants of new jews will not
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replace us and president trump saying there were good people on both sides and unless you want to forget the slaughter in pittsburgh last year, unless you want to forget all of that, you want to acknowledge that the right has a problem with anti-semitism, too. both sides are doing finger pointing and there is a lot of point to. anti-semitisim is on the rise. on the left, it's on the rise. on the right, it's on the rise. in europe, and a lot of other places. let's not pretend it's not just the other political party. good for those republican who is tried to shame president trump for the shameful remarks in charlottesville. it would help if both parties spend less time pointing fingers and deal with the problem on their own side and stop with the easy what aboutism. what aboutism card may make you feel good in the moment, but it doesn't do anything do clear out the stench. we'll be right back. anything dt the stench we'll be right back.
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do i think i could be a good president? i'm not the only one. i disagree with our current president on so many things that i don't know where to start. >> that was michael bloomberg's last appearance on "meet the press." he was still making up his mind about a possible run. today we got the answer. michael bloomberg, i feel like you are a mainstream democrat. not too far to the socialist end and not too far to the middle. what do does that mean to you? >> anybody who isn't going to speak to some of the progressive policies that the base of the democratic party embraced. it is not going to be successful in a democratic primarily. michael bloomberg has to look at the field as it stands. i think biden will definitely
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jump in. all signs point to that. he is looking at the field and saying i cannot win in this field. i think a straight white man is going have to do a little bit more nord speak to the constituencies that will win the primary. >> it seems as if he realizes, i can't compete for the vote. beto o'rourke, joe biden and maybe sherrod brown and amy klobuchar. that is getting crowded. >> she saddled with the billionaire title. >> can i pause you there? business executive was one of the first worst @attributes we measured. socialist and old person got more attention. business exec was a negative for both democrats and independents. >> here covered here in new york and one i think some would find
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appealing. it feels out of step for the party. he would have to confront the positions like stop and frisk and income inequality and ties to wall street. that would be unpopular for him to get him to get through the democratic nominating process. there's probably only one lane, that lane is crowded with other people, he decided to make impact using his money, which of course he has all the money, for other causes. >> he brought up stop and frisk and wall street and i thought joe biden has the '95 bill that's not popular and raised a lot of money from wall street. >> i keep hearing from people that focus group democratic voters they don't talk about ideological purity, they talk about electability. if being tough on crime is a negative in the democratic primary, it is a positive in the general election. democrats talk about the number
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of seats they won, the 40 seats, they talk about how the vast majority of them were democratic s centrics. acting like purple district representatives. that's a message a democrat can take while you have 32 other candidates splitting the progressive side of the vote. you only have three or four compete for the moderate lane. that's a substantial amount of votes, a competing message. >> health care in the district, that's a universal message. to your point about not being tough on crime, i think there's a distinction. it is about mass incarceration, the result of that crime bill that bernie sanders, biden wrote, and hillary clinton was criticized a lot for her support of that particular bill. >> they all champion that. >> from my experience the base of the democratic party absolutely will criticize folks who do not have a record or at least explanation for the record
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on criminal justice because so many people of color have been incarcerated. >> let's put in biden. who is he fighting for, we at the progressive leftwing get crowded, i continue to think who is beto o'rourke, meaning i think he wants to i dbe obama ' >> i think he needs to answer the question. >> or maybe not. >> voters perhaps may answer that question. i think you hit some of the names right. klobuchar. people around the white house were a little nervous about the bloomberg thing, he would get under trump's skin, a hard thing to do, because he is someone a fellow new yorker, they come from a lot of the same circles, bloomberg existed in a place trump never penetrated and he has a wealth that dwarves what the president has. >> what do you make of the
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primary challenge. >> republican voters are open to the abstract construct of a primary challenge. if you do well in new hampshire, you can make a real go of it, really seriously damage the re-election chances. i don't think you can unseat the president in the primary. >> what about the fact the rnc said they're supporting donald trump ahead of anybody announcing. i think that -- >> supported bill clinton in '96. >> i think it could be interesting to watch and see people try to challenge the president, given that his approval rating is low compared to previous people coming up for re-election. >> funny to listen to bill weldmill, he said i'm conservative, for fiscal this, i'm thinking not this presumptive republican nominrepn primary. what's conservative today was not considered conservative four years ago. >> because donald trump is defining that which is conservative today, and during
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the primary he rejected the label. it is a malleable concept at this point. i suspect that there's room for a snap back, when people try to mimic donald trump on the campaign trail, they mimic his rhetoric, his approach to people, blustering, they don't mimic the policies, the policies change from minute to minute. conservatism is ideology that is due plikable. trumpism isn't. >> is it worth to put a stake in the ground in the post trump era, is it worth, jonathan, being the 25% loser, the guy almost beat him in new hampshire? >> there could be value to that. if the odds are very long that trump will get unseated, back to the point his approval rating with republicans is upper 80s. >> we have all seen a challenger get 38%. >> depending who the candidate is. the age of the candidate. what else that person is doing the next couple years, might be
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a reason for that. the white house and rnc will try to stamp out whatever insurgency there will be. they're taking a lot of steps already. >> they seem more nervous than they frankly should be. anyway. nice to see you. thank you for the new york hospitality. up ahead, the suspense, it's killing me. y. up ahead, the suspense, it's killing me biopharmaceutical researchers.
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almost. >> right now i'm still thinking about this. >> connie and i are thinking very seriously about this. >> very seriously considering it. >> we're in the final stages of that decision. >> connie and i are still thinking of this. i have no timetable. >> you're going to run for president, right? >> no decision on that. >> presidential candidates sure know how to build the suspense. i'm ready to announce, not quite yet, i made a decision, i'm not going to tell you. i have an announcement too. taking a page straight out of the 2020 play book.
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>> you ready? deep breath? you sure? all right. here it is. no more waiting. sit down because here it comes. the beat with ari melber starts now. good evening, ari. >> that's it? >> that's it. >> i was getting excitement for some chuck todd delivery. never been less excited for the start of my show. i'm having mixed emotions. >> you screwed up the entire promotion. it is supposed to make you feel better. >> make me feel good! >> the big announcement, ari melber was starting on time, now it is 20 seconds late. >> now people know, we don't plan the tosses. your astute observation about overhyping of candidates is reminiscent of lebron. i don't know much about sports, i know he got in some trouble for overhyping. >> wl


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