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almost as much as i love beating these guys! pediasure. grow for it! thank you for being with us tonight. see you tomorrow. now "the last word" with lawrence o'donnell. >> we have a member of the committee he'll question tomorrow joining us and his lawyer lanny davis will be joining us. >> very good. lanny davis made some news on our show earlier this week and what he has within the past week and he tends to have his finger on the pulse here. good luck with that. >> he's very good at that. that's why he's the lead guest tonight and might make news tonight. >> on the edge of my seat. >> michael cohen will be testifying once again tomorrow at a closed session of the house intelligence committee and michael cohen's lawyer lanny davis will be our first guest tonight. when michael cohen speaks investigators around the country take notes and go to work.
"the new york times" is reporting tonight that new york state insurance regulators are investigating president trump and his company because of michael cohen's answers to congresswoman alexandria cortez. >> have they inflateed to an insurance company? >> yes. >> who else knows that the president did this? >> weisselberg, cale marry. >> "the new york times" says new york state regulators issued an extra expansive first step of the insurance policies exclaims involving president trump's family business according to a person briefed on the matter. "the new york times" also reports that the nine-page subpoena demand as broad range of materials dating back to 2009. the subpoena demands copies of all communications between an
insurance broker and donald trump and the trump organization, state and federal investigators are not the only ones that found michael cohen's testimony credible enough to require further investigation, a new poll shows that 50% of voters believe michael cohen now more than they believe president trump with only 35% believe president trump more than they believe michael cohen. that same poll shows that 64% of voters believe that president trump committed crimes before he took office. only 24% do not believe the president committed crimes before he took office. 45% of voters believe that the president has committed crimes while in office. 43% do not believe that the president has committed crimes while in office. michael cohen provided the house oversight committee evidence that president trump has indeed committed crimes both before he
took office during his presidential campaign and while in office as president. that evidence came in the form of checks delivered to michael cohen from president trump including one that was signed in the white house by the president. michael cohen testified that those checks were part of an illegal pay off scheme to stormy daniels to buy her silence about her affair with donald trump during the presidential campaign. >> in february of 2017, one month into his presidency, i'm visiting president trump in the oval office for the first time and he says to me something to the effect of don't worry michael, your january and february reimbursement checks are coming. they were fedexed from new york and it takes awhile for that to get through the white house system. as he promised, i received the first check for $70,000 not long thereafter.
>> here is that february check for $70,000 which covered two months of the agreed upon payment of $35,000 a month to michael cohen to reimburse him for the money that he paid to stormy daniels. note that this check came from the donald j. trump trust account. the trust account. that check is signed by the trump chief financial officer alan weisselberg and donald trump junior. michael cohen received another check with the same signatures from the same trust account a month later for his monthly payment of $35,000. and the check that michael cohen produced in last week's hearing with donald trump's signature was written six months into the trump presidency and came from a different account, what appears to be a personal checking account of donald j. trump, the accounts used to pay these checks are an important element of this story, which we will
explore in a moment with michael cohen's lawyer lanny davis. one of the least important manners michael cohen testified to was donald trump's desperate concern to keep his academic records from high school and college hidden from public view. >> when i say con man, a man that declares himself brilliant but directed me to threaten his high school, his colleges, and the college board to never release his grades or s.a.t. scores. as i mentioned, i'm giving the committee today copies of a letter i sent at mr. trump's direction threatening these schools with civil and criminal actions if mr. trump's grades or s.a.t. scores were ever disclosed without his permission. >> the university confirmed they were threatened to keep donald trump's transcript hidden and the university of pennsylvania
where donald trump transferred made no public comment and "the washington post" is reporting friends of donald trump tried to seize his high school records in 2011 right after donald trump said that he wanted president obama to quote show his records because donald trump believed that barack obama was quote a terrible student. >> the word is, according to what i've read that he was a terrible student when he went to ox dental. maybe that's right or wrong but i don't know why he doesn't release his records. >> it's against the law for schools to publicly release student's transcripts but ivy league schools like the university of pennsylvania and harvard where barack obama graduated from law school do make public records of the students who graduate with honors and then ivy league schools most students actually graduate with honors, not graduating with honors is unusual in ivy league schools.
there are three levels. donald trump did not graduate with honors from the university of pennsylvania. that is public information. and that puts him somewhere in the bottom half of his class academically even though the president once claimed to have graduated as the number one student in his class. barack obama did graduate from harvard law school. we have the breaking news report by the "wall street journal" that michael cohen's lawyers discussed the possibility of a pardon and reported rudy giuliani left open the possibility that the president could grant mr. cohen one in the future. here is what michael cohen said about a pardon last week. >> my testimony certainly does not diminish the pain that i have caused my family and my friends.
nothing can do that. and i have never asked for nor would i accept a pardon from president trump. >> and leading off our discussion tonight is lanny davis, an attorney for michael cohen. lanny davis, thank you for joining us tonight. appreciate it. i want to start with the pardon which we just introduced here. the "wall street journal" reporting was not that michael cohen personally requested a pardon but his lawyers at some point discussed the possibility of a pardon with president trump's lawyers and that rudy giuliani for one left open the possibility. is that accurate reporting? >> yes, the time period is what needs to be stressed. michael cohen lied for donald trump for ten years and is going to prison in part because of a lie to congress as well as the coverup scheme that donald trump is still paying for or was paying for when you showed those checks. the statement that michael made
was after he made a decision and i think i was part of that when he decided to express his shame for his prior lies when he was certainly looking at the option of pardon when they were dangling that as a way of i think luring people to stay within the tent. and then when he decided on july 2nd, 2018, i will not lie anymore and he asked me to help him tell the truth. so that sentence, which i helped write was about the time period after he decided as we decided to call it his turn to the truth and at that point, he said to me i want you to publicly say i wouldn't accept a pardon if he begged me to take it, and i said are you sure? and he said yes. and i went out publicly and i said he would never accept a pardon and that was the reference intended by that sentence. >> why wouldn't he accept a pardon? who has not accepted a pardon?
>> well, i was doubtful when he said it to me. he was in a great, stressful situation with a wife and two kids and looking at a prison sentence potentially. and he had lied for ten years and was expressing shame to me and i said are you willing to say that publicly? and you have a deep hole and you are a good man, and a good father but in order to win credibility which i see from the polls he has won, you need to be willing to tell the truth and all the truth and part of that is would you accept a pardon to get out of this fixture and from this man that you describe as having done dirty deeds for ten years and he said to me yes and then he said i want you to say that publicly maybe people will believe me and i did. >> and i want to get your reaction also to what we're seeing as the expanding investigations. michael cohen speaks and the requests for documents fly. it's hard to remember a congressional reaction like this to congressional testimony over
80 requests for documents from the white house from trump businesses, from other government entities, all almost all of them coming out of michael cohen's testimony, which is continuing as we know there will be more michael cohen testimony tomorrow morning. is that what you expected knowing, you knew in advance what michael cohen's testimony was going to be, did you expect it to provoke this follow up? >> i honestly did but it's still more to come because we had a list of subjects that was basically michael cohen's confession of him facilitating these subjects or his memory of them. and one of them for example, you mentioned the grades. he threatened a major educational institution with criminal sanctions if they released donald trump's grades. on another occasion, michael
said to the american people and to every serviceman and every rural american who considers themselves to be patriots listen to this, if you voted for donald trump, he said to michael cohen, don't say anything if people ask for proof of my bone spur that allowed me to not go to vietnam, and then he said quote, you got to be stupid to go to vietnam. michael was forbidden to respond to reporter's questions what turns out to be a fake assertion he had a bone spur to get out of serving and he said mr. president, isn't it ironic people have to be stupid to serve in vietnam and you're now in vietnam. of course, in a failed negotiation with the north korean leader but that's the kind of thing that is going to encourage more investigations. he lied to the secret service.
excuse me, the selective service on his draft deferments and almost everything in his testimony, if you reread it is a subject area that will be grounds for further investigation. >> i want to go to what one member of the committee called the smoking gun and that was the check that michael cohen produced with the president's signature on it written in august so that's about six months into the trump presidency, possibly signed on that desk in the oval office because these checks had to be fedexed down to the white house so that the president himself could sign them, that is what the president told michael cohen in the oval office according to michael cohen. i noticed lanny, that the one the president signed is not from a business account. it is not from a trump company account. it simply has the name donald j. trump on it that looks to me like a personal check. that would be a very odd source for a business payment, for if
michael cohen is being retained by the business in a retainer agreement, it strikes me as odd that the trump business isn't paying for those legal services. >> well, first of all, i'm a lawyer and i always try to use the word alleged if we're talking about crime because everyone is entitled to due process including donald trump but there is literally no way to dispute he committed a crime. he not only wrote a personal check but invented a coverup story it was a retainer check. the word invented and fictional or bogus was not my opinion, it is a fact there was no retainer agreement. it was a scheme concocted by michael, by donald trump and by mr. weisselberg as a way of avoiding tracing the pay off money, the hush money to stormy daniels. the prosecutors and the u.s.
government said that in the information statement on michael's plea of guilt. there is no doubt that the word reimbursement was the reimbursement of michael cohen advancing the hush money and who said the word reimbursement after donald trump denied knowing anything about the stormy daniels payment at all? rudy giuliani on television called it a reimbursement to michael cohen. so there were no facts in dispute that the president of the united states as president committed a felony. literally, there is no way to dispute that statement and alleged is a word you have to use. i can't find the ability to use the word alleged because everything i said is undisputable fact. that shows a felony, a conspiracy to pay hush money and to cover it up. >> two of the checks we've seen
so far apparently there are going to be more available for public inspection were signed by alan weisselberg and donald trump junior and those were taken from the trust account, the accounts set up that donald trump is not supposed to touch, it's supposed to be the separation of the trump businesses from the trump presidency. but alan weisselberg presumably has testified or been questioned by the fbi about this in new york city since that's the office that has been prosecuting the michael cohen case and alan weisselberg, do you know if he's taken the position there was indeed a retainer agreement for michael cohen's legal services that this was payment for that had nothing to do with stormy daniels? >> that was the cover story i know because mr. weisselberg and michael and mr. trump together decided that michael needed to do it to avoid it being traced because two or three days before an election that turned out to
be close and won by mr. trump. they did not want after "access hollywood", the story about an adult film star being subject to a hush money payment. mr. weisselberg said i can't afford it and why don't you do it from your line of credit but we don't want it traceable to the trump organization. to answer your question, mr. weisselberg was given limited immunity by the federal prosecutors in the southern district. michael had to plead guilty. mr. weisselberg was given immunity but limited. i don't know the answer to whether he told the prosecutors about this scheme and told the truth that there was never a retainer. this was a coverup but now the question is his signing that check as implementing this hush money illegal scheme is a crime. and the question is did he tell
the federal prosecutors about the signing of these checks at the time he was granted limited immunity, that's something between him and his lawyer. >> lanny, we saw on television there wasn't a single republican who went anywhere near the smoking gun. they would not touch the smoking gun of the check signed by donald trump and the other check signed by alan weisselberg and i me there has been testimony behind closed doors and can you tell us if any republicans have at any point challenged or questioned michael cohen at any point about these checks? >> no. and i sat there not necessarily surprised that the republicans on the house oversight committee, many of them people that i respect and descent people, descent friends, descent parents and descent human beings
never once mentioned donald trump throughout the entire hearing. they pounded away at what michael had already admitted to in shame that he had lied for ten years for donald trump, that he had lied to congress and he was going to prison paying the price. now one member of the house oversight committee on the republican side had the decency to at least give him credit for taking the responsibility and paying the price and never once asked about those checks, about the president of their party that i'm sure they genuinely believe in. so it's a remarkable hypocrisy that i wish i could have seen more from good people who are republicans supporting donald trump. >> lanny, i have a quick question unrelated to this that goes back to the impeachment of bill clinton. that's when you became one of the most prominent lawyers in america in your defense of president clinton and that's when the country met lindsey graham for the first time. he was a member of the house
judiciary committee who was a prosecutor of the case against bill clinton in the senate impeachment trial and today. i'm not sure you're aware of this. lindsey graham had a meeting with the president and which he told the president to follow the bill clinton model in handling himself in the presidency while under investigation and just do the business of the president and stay away from the investigation and he said to the president according to lindsey graham himself, bill clinton is a good model for the president to follow. did you ever think you'd live to see the day where bill clinton impeachment prosecutor would tell a republican president to follow the model of bill clinton when under investigation? >> let me think about this, no. i got to know lindsey graham after debating many times on television and friendship with senator mccain and joe is
another way i got to know him. all i can say about senator grab, there is much about him i like but the disappointment is that in honor of john mccain, he is supporting a president who disparaged john mccain as not being a hero because he got captured as missing in action and as a prisoner of war, excuse me. so i just find a great disappointment in lindsey graham even though we still have a friendship. i'm utterly baffled that he would after all that he said about donald trump during his presidential campaign and close friendship with john mccain that he would still be that supportive of president trump. >> well, i have much more to say about what lindsey graham said today at the end of the show tonight. lanny davis, appreciate it. >> for all the time, thank you. >> thank you. one of the members of the house intelligence committee that will question michael cohen
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there is apparently a big difference between what michael cohen can say in public testimony and closed door tomorrow and important answer, the most important answer that michael cohen gave in his public testimony last week was this. >> is there any other wrongdoing or illegal act that you are aware of regarding donald trump that we haven't yet discussed today? >> yes, and again, those are part of the investigation that's currently being looked at by the southern district of new york. >> joining our discussion now, the congressman that asked that question who will also be in the closed door hearing with michael cohen tomorrow in the house intelligence committee and eugene robinson who watched more congressional investigations from the press gallery than any of us. he's a politzer prize winning columnist and he's also an msnbc political analyst.
and congressman, i want to ask you about what the difference is if you can tell us about the public testimony and issues michael cohen can get into and private testimony and have you learned more in the closed door testimony than you did in the public testimony? >> thanks for having me on, lawrence. yes, you do learn a little more in a closed setting because you can get into a lot more detail. you can talk about classified information. this is down in this skiff where the under ground bunker beneath the capital and there are no cameras and i think that the fact that there are no cameras means there aren't the same theater with the republicans in the oversight. you get to learn a little more and the discussion or the q and a is a little more sober. >> and it seems that the public is in support of what the house democrats are doing. we have a poll tonight asking the question should congress do
more to investigate michael cohen's claims about donald trump's behavior? yes. 58%. that is pretty solid support, gene. >> yeah, that's pretty solid support. all that polling was fascinating about how people view president trump's truthfulness versus michael cohen's and it's fascinating that people think congress ought to do its job. this is congress' job. we shouldn't forget that. it's not just an option for congress to investigate possible potential criminal wrongdoing by the president. congress has a responsibility to do that and can't and shouldn't and must not just sort of sit back and let it pass as was done in the past two years. so republicans wouldn't mention the name of president trump in that oversight hearing, but democrats will, i hope, republicans ultimately will, too, because these investigations have to be done.
>> congressman, why did you ask michael cohen that question about any other possible illegal acts? did you have reason to believe that there are more? >> in part, yes but i was also trying to close out the questioning and just, you know, make sure that we weren't levering anything on the table that there wasn't something that we forgot to ask him about that he wanted to talk about. in this particular case, he said that he could not talk about it because the southern district of new york was examining it. i was just pointing out the previous question i asked was perhaps related to this, because he said his last communication with the trump administration or president trump himself was two months after the raid but couldn't go into that because it was under investigation by the southern district of new york. >> gene, the new york times is out tonight with more on these checks that have been -- that were written by donald trump to
pay reimburse michael cohen according to michael cohen and it's a fascinating collection now of these checks because they change accounts. we see in the times reporting what we already knew that there were checks written by alan weisselberg and donald trump junior but we saw that one in the hearing written in august signed by donald trump. now we're seeing that starting in may according to the checks reproduced in the "new york times" tonight, all of the checks came from donald trump's what appears to be his personal checking account. there is no indication of any business on that particular check and signed by donald trump starting in may the rest of the checks that are revealed by "the new york times" tonight are from that donald j. trump account signed by donald trump going right through november into december and gene, for some
reason, they changed accounts where that money was coming from. switched it out of a trump business account and moved it into what appears to be a donald trump personal account and that may be because alan weisselberg started to get very nervous about what this was. >> it could be. maybe that's the reason because just stepping back from it, you would -- it looks as if they just abandoned the cover story, right? if it was coming out of the trust account that that was consistent at least with the false cover story that this was some sort of retainer agreement. if it's going to be just donald trump writing a personal check to michael cohen, it can't be business attorney relationship retainer. it is just trump reimbursing him for the money that he had for stormy daniels. so the only thing that makes sense since it's unlikely i think that donald trump junior
would get nervous and would say wait a minute, perhaps it is weisselberg said hold on a minute, this isn't right. we'll have to see. i suspect the southern district of new york has an opinion on this. >> congressman, we didn't hear any questions about that in the hearing about why they switched accounts but now that we've seen so many more of these checks as of tonight with the "new york times" reporting, is that something you expect followup on in the committee and do you expect to hear in the committee from alan weisselberg about why the accounts changed in making these payments? >> quite possibly, yes. following the hearing, chairman comings was asked who are you in the witnesses he would want to see before the committee? he said follow the transcript. mr. weisselberg appeared in the transcript multiple times? can i point out one thing and you eluded to this earlier but not once, not once did the republicans question the veracity of the checks.
they didn't question the signature on those checks or the fact that it came from donald trump's bank account and some of the checks and from other bank accounts and the others and in fact, they didn't impugn or attack the credibility of any of the checks so in my humble opinion, that was a mission of that evidence. >> and gene, the only mumblings that we've heard from any republican about the check is lindsey graham offering his own opinion that it's unusual to pay for crimes with checks. that's the best the republican haves come up with. >> it is unusual. it's kind of lame. it's really dumb. but that -- none of those adjectives rules out this having been a check used to pay for a crime. >> we'll have to take a break there. congressman and eugene robinson, thank you both very much for joining us discussion tonight.
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belongs exclusively to the executive branch. joining us is john brennan, he's a senior national intelligence analyst for msnbc and nbc news. what is at stake in this security clearance controversy between the house and the white house? >> well, i think the integrity of the system of the security clearance process is at stake. if the reports are true, it sounds like donald trump over ruled the determination that was made by the intelligence community that neither ivanka trump or jared kushner should receive a clearance. it's unheard of a president of the united states would intervene. >> when you say unheard of, in your decades on government service, you're saying you personally have never heard of a president doing this. >> i've never heard of a president talking about the security clearance of an individual much less over
ruling. this is unprecedented and the fact that he did that, donald trump, i think the congress has legitimate concerns about how he is in fact exercising a legal authority but doing it in a manner that really undermines again the integrity and the purpose of security clearances. >> what are the reasons that security clearances for someone like jared kushner or ivanka trump would be held up? would be the kind of objections that would be raised? >> it could be any number of things. there could be unresolved issues about foreign entanglements or episodes where an individual is not deemed trustworthy and the security clearance process. it's not surprising given the nature of their financial and business relationships that are on going in fact that they were denied. quite frankly, i don't believe donald trump would have except for getting more electoral votes than hillary clinton would have
been approved for a security clearance given the foreign entanglements and cavalier treatment of classified information. >> what are the things that hold up a security clearance at this level? how knit picky is it? can it be something like, you know, we think he didn't tell us the exact truth about the last time he smoked marijuana in college or does it have to rise to a certain level to be a problem? >> i think especially for somebody who is going to be in the white house as -- at the level of assistance to the president, you want to make sure you do everything possible to try to resolve any outstanding issues. but something like that, you know, in terms of not acknowledging smoking marijuana or something will not hold up that clearance. it will have to be something substantial and something that the cia, the investigators really were concerned about because it could potentially compromise an individual either because a foreign person or entity might try to use that relationship inappropriately or that the person who is being
granted the security clearance or consideration might in fact be mindful of those personal interests that they might pursue contrary to u.s. national security. they take their jobs seriously. i have worked closely with them and they will do everything possible to get to the bottom of an issue and if they deny it, out right deny it as opposed to continuing to try to resolve the issue, there must be something substantial and significant. >> based on what you've seen of michael cohen's public testimony and knowing he's going into the house intelligence committee again tomorrow for another closed door session, did you in listening to michael cohen's public testimony, did you hear of things that you would want to be explored in the private hearings with the intelligence committee? >> absolutely. as the congressman said, in the private meetings without the glare of the cameras, there is much more substantive discussion and no theater. there was discussion.
>> what tablet utilized the former cia? >> things that couldn't be discuss the in the closed hearing. these are matters under investigation by the southern district of new york. there are threads being pulled there was criminal activity taking place so i'd want to hear more from michael cohen about some of his personal interactions with donald trump during the campaign and even subsequent to the election and find out what was the nature of those discussions but the special counsel's team counseled michael cohen not to get involved in issues that are a matter of criminal investigation. >> are you one willing to at this stage of the game venture a guess about where robert mueller is in his process and how close he is to filing a report and beyond that, what you would expect from such a report? >> well, i think robert mueller wants to be able to conclude his work and turnover the investigative threads to the southern district of new york,
eastern district of virginia and other jurisdictions as appropriate. we're coming up to two years. i think he does want to conclude that. i wouldn't be surprised if for example this week on friday not knowing anything about it, but friday is the day the grand jury indictments come down and this friday is better than next friday because next friday is the 15th of march, which is the eyes of march and i don't think robert mueller will want to have a dramatic flair of the eyes of march when he'll be delivering the final indictments and report to the attorney general. >> what makes you believe he has more indictments? >> he hasn't addressed the issue of criminal conspiracy. >> involving the russians? >> yes. >> and that's an area -- >> a person -- >> that is an area you know something about. that was developing while you were still on the job. >> well, it was in terms of looking at what was going on
with the russians and whether or not u.s. persons were actively collaborating, colluding, cooperating and involve in a conspiracy with them or not but also if there is going to be any member -- >> did you see enough at that stage to believe that there would now, that that would result in indictments once investigated? >> i thought at the time there was going to be individuals who were going to have issues with the department of justice. yes. i think we've already seen a number of individuals who have been indicted, either have plead guilty or have been convicted now. so again, i don't have any inside knowledge. i'm not talking with anybody -- >> yes, you do. you have inside knowledge -- >> not of the investigation now but if anybody from the trump family, extended family is going to be indicted, it would be in the final act of mueller's investigation because bob muller and his team knows if he were to do something, indicting a trump family member or if he were to go forward with indictment on criminal conspiracy involving u.s. persons, that would be the death of the special counsel's
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>> run for president but don't be the world's biggest jackass. >> what's the reaction you're getting to calling him jackass repeatedly? >> a lot of people are offended. the jackasses are offended. all i can say is i've had it. >> lindsey graham was telling the truth about the jackass thing, but he wasn't telling the truth when he said, i've had it. it turns out the jackass phase was just something lindsey graham had to go through on his way to worshipping donald trump and humiliating himself in the process, because before lindsey graham became a trump worshiper, he said things like this. >> he's a race-hating, xenophobic bigot. he doesn't represent the parties that the men and women in uniform are fighting for. >> i don't think he has the judgment to be a president. >> i don't think he's fit for
office. >> and here's what lindsey graham had to say about the president tonight. >> i'm all in. to the extent i can help this president, i will. >> so lindsey graham went from "i've had it with donald trump" to "i'm all in." so who is the world's biggest jackass now? today lindsey graham met with the president who he said is crazy and not fit to be the president of the united states, and according to lindsey graham, he gave the president some advice on how to handle the multiple investigations into the president's activities. a bloomberg report said graham said he told trump to, quote, listen to his lawyers, fights back appropriately, but just keep your head down and keep doing your job. challenge them to fix problems. president clinton was a pretty good model. clinton kept his focus on being the president.
so now clinton was a pretty good model when he was under investigation. it turns out if you're patient, lindsey graham will refute just about everything lindsey graham has ever said. as a member of the house judiciary committee, at the time lindsey graham served as one of the prosecutors in the impeachment trial of president bill clinton. this is what he said the standard should be for removing a president from office. >> so point i'm trying to make is you don't even have to be convicted of a crime to lose your job in this constitutional republic. if this body determines that your conduct as a public official is clearly out of bounds in your role. thank god you did that. because impeachment is not about punishment. impeachment is about cleansing the office. impeachment is about restoring honor and integrity to the
office. >> unfortunately for lindsey graham, there is no senate process for restoring the honor and integrity of lindsey graham. that's tonight's last word. "the 11th hour with brian williams" starts now. tonight the mounting pressure on donald trump from mueller, the justice department, from his home state of new york, from congress, and now we've learned adam schiff has made a critical hire, someone well known to viewers of this broadcast. plus, as new polling shows, americans trust michael cohen over donald trump despite cohen's own admissions. the president's former lawyer going back for another round. he is set to testify again tomorrow. and exclusive reporting tonight on the action that north korea took within hours of the failure of the summit with trump. all of it as "the 11th hour" gets underway on a tuesday night. well, good evening once again from our msnbc