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investigated and possibly pros cue cuted. that would be big and the way that -- the stuff that rolls off of this administration. yeah. >> that surrounds a lawmaker or president compared to the loyalty they're showing up there to their constitution, to their country, other loyalty to a political leader even when it is a political leader -- >> yes, where ever you stand, the idea that two members have made the choice to step away and not be part of this is very interesting. there is elections coming up in a few months. >> when i was a kid, when i was born perier trudeau was prime
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min stir. >> truth and consequences. they say that president trump's alleged honesty problem is catching up to him. and michael cohen is back on capitol hill again. he provided the committee with new documents that he says show e edits to the falsely written statement that he delivered to congress in 2017 around discussions around building a trump tower in moscow. >> just to be clear, he knew of and directed the trump moscow negotiations throughout the campaign and lied about it. he lied about it because he never expected to win.
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his personal lawyers reviewed and edited my statement to congress about the timing of the moscow tower negotiations before i gave it. >> based on all of the testimony last week, his lawyer is now calling for the new york attorney and the manhattan district attorney for committing multiple felons in the hush money payments. michael cohen's lawyer could seek a criminal indictment of president trump while he is still president since the da is not still subject to the memo. this suggests that a sitting president president cannot be indictmented. they just laid out some payments
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that donald trump cut checks to michael cohen while donald trump was the president of the united states they continue to add this, some people close to mr. trump have privately predicted he will choose to seek a second term in part because of his legal exposure if he is not president. he might run again because if he doesn't run for president he could be indicted. let's get right to that breaking news at the white house with hans nichols. >> we have corroboration, not truth, but corroboration. in the whole process of trying to assess the credibility of michael cohen, there is a question of how could he bolster his claim. we have edits to the relevaalev parts of the testimony where he
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says he falsely made statements. there is a couple caveats to this, nbc news has not verified news documents in is what we have from a source familiar with the matter, we have not seen them with our own eyes. number two when he made this claim in testimony, one of the president's attorneys at the time, at the time they're operating under a joint defense agreement, he denied what michael cohen said at the time. he has reupped saying it still stands. he is saying today's testimony that attorneys for the president edited his testimony to alter the time line of the trump tower negotiations is completely false. those are the two caveats. we're going to see what document looks like, but it gets to the question of how credible is michael cohen and how can he bolster his claim.
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>> hans nichols for us at the white house. as the investigations into president trump are ramped up we're chemoing a close watch on special council's report that could be filed any moment. let's take a moment to review what will happen. according to the author of those rules, mueller will first submit a summary report to the new attorney general that will give a overview of the investigation laying out what angles the investigation took and why, which ones it didn't, and why. this happened to me now for the second time today. there are gremlins that don't want you to find out about the report. the attorney general will then submit a report to congress, specifically to the chair and ranking members of the house and senate judiciary committees.
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he will explain to these four why the investigation is over wane what actions were approved or deny d by the attorney general's office into if anyone did not allow robert mueller to do something, that will have to be documents presented. no one side of the aisle can hide that information. then there is what you and i will see. attorney general barr would determine if releasing all or part or none of the report is in the public interest. if it is not in the public interest she under no obligation to release the report. he did commit to releasing whatever he could by law. that means it will have
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redactions. lawmakers can call hearings. they can subpoena mueller, or members of his team, and question them in ways that would get more information out or continue the investigation in the legislative branch. you're seeing some of that now. there is another report by the way that could give us insight into the inner workings of mueller's investigation. there is a reporting requirement in the justice department regulations that requires the attorney general as i said, william barr, to tell congress any time mueller's supervisors told him no. if they determine such a move was so inappropriate or unwarranted that it crossed established departmental.
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it also requires supervisors views for great weight during the disagreement. joining me now is elliott williams. former assistant attorney general, welcome and thank you for being here. i want to step back for the reporting that president trump may run for a second term because it is the best shelter he may have for being indicted. that is ridiculous. that happens in countries we don't think we're alike, and that will run out. if his fear is that i need to be in office so i don't get indi indicted, the statute of limitations will not run out. >> we don't know there could be several different crimes he could be subject to indictment for. there could be statutes of limitations and probably discussions about whether or not those statutes of limitations would be paused for a period of
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time, in other words, would they make an argument of "don't count that against us. ." donald trump still has potential as a ru as a ruler as a ru as a ru vulnerability. he can be investigated for tax fraud, his businesses, in fact the trump foundation and how he used it are under investigation. they are all crimes. >> and they're interesting to new york city state, right? if you dodged taxes or done something against the state's investigation, they will buy into that. >> right, if they believe they
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have diindictable offenses, the is nothing that protects them, and other attorney generals may have interests as well. >> the interest he has in those states. let's talk about it for a minute. as we get closer to the mueller report, it's important for people to understand what this guidance is that exists at the justice department. it is from the office of legal council and it is guidance. some say it is just guidance and people can act otherwise, and others say it is governing. if someone was to try and indict the president, they may not look favorably only it. >> i'm on team guidance. it is explicit that the office of legal council dictates what the position is on this issue. now this was drafted aftcraftedr
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gate. and rachael maddow did a fabulous show on this a little while ago. they want to make it easier to indict a vice president. every indication is that mueller is likely to adhere to that. you know, just for any number of reasons, but again who knows what ultimately ends up happening with it. it is an open question. i want to make clear that it is not law. nothing procolludes them legally from stepping in here. you talk about going back four plus decades. so it is a long standing practice of the department. >> a source familiar with the matter said there is new documents with edits to his testimony, but he provided
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checks, written while donald trump was to him in similar amounts. >> and signed by donald trump junior. >> he was entitled to have his own lawyer for whom he would have paid. what do you make of these checks that he got? >> bottom line it makes it hard for him to say i didn't know that payments were being made on my behalf, and talk to my lawyer about whether or not we paid michael cohen. they all suggest that the statements that he made to the public when the stormy daniels and karen mcdoogle cases were blowing up, ours essentially don't sound so honest. he says look i visited him in the white house, he gave me a $70,000 check and it is consistent with michael cohen's
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statements and the sentencing memo and what the southern district of new york said. so it does suggest corroboration for some important elements of what michael cohen has said. >> if i can biggie back on that, because so much of that comes down to credibility. a krit kl element that was he could corroborate with those checked. so he is harder to believe butt for those checks. >> and let's keep loading it up. the southern districts paper indictments of him were quite lengthy because he lied to them. prosecutors will not take the word of a liar without feeling they have corroborating evidence and they probably have more than we have seen.
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>> so the criticism that we have seen, prosecutors know that some of their best witnesses are liars. >> auv often, the way this case was built is pretty consistent with the way they get built. you catch someone in a crime, maybe not even your primary crime, and often time that's is perjury, that is lying under oath, and you use that to say look, we got you on this, keep lies to us, refuse to cooperate, or you can cooperate and then it might built you. that is why we see that mappi happening with michael cohen. >> up next, virginia senator tim
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i work at the network operations center for comcast. we're working to make things simple, easy and awesome. some members of congress are trying to have a bigger role in shaping it. they have introduced a bill that would repeal the 1991 bill. rand ball and john udahl would declare victory in afghanistan and bring u.s. troops hope. it would also approve the september 11 attacks in 2001 that gave the president the authority to target terrorists
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groups. they have uses bills like this, they are part of an effort to ensure that the authorizations cannot be used to justice other operations. senator tim kaine, thank you for joining me again. back in 2017, the senate voted to appeal the use of military forest, you supported that and it was defeated, what changed now? >> first it is great to have a democratic house, that will really ep us on this, and even my republican colleagues are starting to get very, very worried about this president's tendency to go it alone on war, trade, appropriations, and all kinds of things without congress. you see these two efforts, the
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paul udahl bill, to bring troops home from investigation, and my bill, these are both bipartisan to get rid of these some by authorizations dealing with military force in iraq and we will have in the next two weeks a third mat wrer the senater wh president is expected to pass it. congress is starting to paul back war making powers that are hours pursuant to article one and we need to. >> in october of 2017 after that last vote didn't succeed, the senate foreign relations committee held a hearing on the authorizations that jim mattis was concerned about repealing
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the athorizations, let's listen to them together. >> repealing it would only cause unnecessary policy and legal uncertainty that could lead to additional litigation and public doubt. that could only signal to our enmy and friends that we're backing away from this fight, it would stall our operations, immediately reduce commitments and support, and create significant opportunities for our enmys to ease the initiative, additionally it would deprive us from those that would fight again. >> he, the last snbs he said, repealing the aufs without new authority would deprive us of us the ability to face enemy
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combatants. >> i think the on tperative pars without new authorities. i think it will have wide bipartisan sort. he is talking about the 2001 after the 9/11 attacks that has been the basis for military action against the taliban, isis, and al-qaeda. i believe there is a continuing need to have targeted action against those groups, but they had been used by the last three presidented to engage in military action in about 30 countries. and the white house turns it into a carte blanche question go anywhere we want. so i believe right strategy is to repeal 91 and 02, and the iraq organization and make it more narrow.
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we had a proposal that would have clarified, for example, that that authorization could never be used by a president to wage war against a sovereign nation without coming back to us. i think he could blunder us into a war in iran and claim she doing it based on the 2001 authorization. we need to shut that disastrous route down so he cannot bypass us. >> the president signed an executive order today that ended a requirement that the u.s. government public an annual report on the number of people killed in drone strikes or other counter terrorism operations that take place outside of war zones. what is your take on this? >> it is a disaster. the transparency of this is incredibly port. not just for members of congress. i am on some of these academies, but i think the american public
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needs to understand this. we have to insist on that investigation, the reason that congress is in the business of making war declaration social security so that we will have a debate in front of the public. the public will know what is at sta stake, and question decide whether or not they're a good idea or a bad idea. the president by trying to hide the ball is trying to keep the american public for being read in on this and then that means that the nation is under taking milita military activity without the support of the military. >> what's your take on how they are piling up having been a presidential candidate yourself. >> a lot of good people, and it is so early, the first debate is not until june and more people will get into the field. i don't think competition is bad, i think everyone putting their best ideas on the table,
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making the case to the democratic caucus. i think that the primary process is going to work to do just that. >> senator i do want to talk to you about saudi arabia and other matters. ly ask you right now to come back. >> it is really important and i would love to have it with you. thank you for taking the time, sir. senator tim kaine. up next, r. kelly back in court facing a return to jail if he doesn't pay the more than $160,000 in back child support he owes by today. plus, the first time since being dieted on sexual abuse charges. you're watching msnbc. you're watching msnbc. sources say liberty mutual customizes your car insurance, so you only pay for what you need. over to you, logo. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪
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>> new images. three days after a failed vietnam launch. let's look at the launch facility. it has been used for testing in the past. this is not it welcome this is the new stuff, suggested that they have structures that should remain that way. this is showing that certain structures, the launch of the rocket test stand have been rebuilt. we could see a crane along with a lift with a rocket engine test
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stand completely in tact. there is also a rail way for transporting a missile but there are no visible missiles being moved to a launch pad. now intelligence says that north korea could have between 30 and 60 nuclear warheads. we don't know how many there is new their stockpile. the networks are a serious threat when coupled with the other threats. now they're saying they could reach all of the way to the west coast as far as denver or chicago. here is what mr. trump said. >> the relationship is good. i would be very disappointed if that were happening, that is an early report. but i would be very, very disappointed in chairman kim.
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i don't think i will be but court cou courtney has been putting these out. where we first got this is a research group sponsors by a defense tank here, i'm not sure what he means by that, but it is interesting that he says he would be very, very disappointed if chairman kim is reconstituting or rebuilding this at lite launch facility, and now he thinks maybe kim is not doing these things and it will be resolved. your guess is as good as mine. >> howdy fintive do your experts tell you this is? >> these are the people that
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know this. they look at these images all of the time and they can see what you and i can't. they can look and tell that where a missile or a rocket might be put on tracks and rolled out to a launch pad, they can see that is being rebuilt or that someone is working on it. we should point out that there is activity around these sights. there is analysis of people that have studied this for decades, and they say this is meant to send a message to the u.s. >> thank you as always for your reporting, courtney. singer r. kelly is in a courtroom right now. he was charged with sexual abuse. he has order today pay $160,000
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in back child support by today. there was an explosive interview here on cbs this morning. they allege that three of the victims were under age. r. kelly pleaded not guilty to those charges and listen to some of this. >> have you ever had sex with anyone under the anyone of 17. >> no. >> never? >> no. >> it is so hard to believe that based on all that i have read and what so many women said about you. >> what women said about me? no one is allowed to be mad and skourned. i didn't do this stuff, i'm fighting for my god [ bleep ] life. you're killing me with this. i gave up 30 years. >> robert -- 30 years and you're
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all trying to kill me. you're killing me. this is not about music. i'm trying to have a relationship with my kids and i can't do it. you just don't want to believe the truth. you don't want to believe it. >> the charges came shortly after lifetime surviving r. kelly documentary documented decades of abuse allegations against multiple accusers. one woman spoke out at a press conference. >> i know my sister is not okay. i know r. kelly is mentally destroying her and id want her home. >> if you're seeing this, please know they love you, i'm your mother, i love you deerly, nothing that we have done was to defame you or embarrass you. it is because we care about your
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well-being. we went from talking to you daily or weekly to not seeing you in two years. that is a clear indication to us and as a mother that something is definitely wrong. >> in the interview that aired today, r. kelly denied he is holding people against their will. ron mott is outside of the chicago court right now. >> we're expecting him to come out of court in just a few minutes. i think i was just buzzed to near he is leaving. the van that dropped him off is waiting to pick him up. there was a lot of reporting and talk about whether or not he would leave as a free man going back to where he wanted to go if the judge was not satisfied with his payment today. he was ordered to pay $162,000 by today. there was talk that the judge
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extended that from 10:00 a.m. local central time to something later. he did not seemage stated when he went into court. he said hello, he wore a nice suit, so we're not expecting an immediate arrest warrant. you can check your phone if the produce sere trying to get ahold of you. >> well, she is just sending a note, i just want to check quickly, say it's is still going on. he is still in court down stairs. plus this matter in family today. the records have been sealed, a lot of them reporting into what he is up against. he is divorced but he as back child support that he ohs. there is differents in how much he actually ohs. one figure is close to 200,000. we have been told that to come into compliance he could pay a
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large percentage of that money that he may owe. he was a lot less interviewed. i asked him did you pay that $160,000 and he did not answer. he got that gre several questio several reporters today. >> ron mott in court, waiting to hear about the money that r. kelly needs to play. a general motors plant that has produced millions of vehicles is closing down and we'll have more on the impact that will make on the community. the community. ♪ a wealth of opportunities. that's the clarity you get from fidelity wealth management. straightforward advice, tailored recommendations, tax-efficient investing strategies,
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president trump went to ohio and said this about the state of the auto industry. >> it has been a disaster for ohio, and people are coming back. if you look at ohio, if you look at michigan and other places, auto industry is starting to come back in a very, very big way. >> fast forward nearly two years and the auto industry in ohio is taken a massive hit.
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gm announced last fall that the facility would be one of five plants in the united states and canada that would be closed this year. the facility has produced more than 16 million vehicles since they opened in 1966. that includes nearly two million chevy cruze vehicles. the plant's future is expected to be decided in contract talks between gm and the united auto union workers union. that adds to 39,000 union jobs that the factory has lost since 2017. it will also have a huge impact on the lordes town community as businesses and jobs that depended on the plant could disappear entirely. kevin tibbles is joining me now.
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just as we saw in other places, you and i have had conversations, plants closing that have effects that go further back than the employees of those plants. >> absolutely. and there are no more workers in this plant behind me now because the last shift came off the line. people have slowly filed out, headed home, some have had a small gathering, perhaps a wake for the factory in the last few minutes. tiffany king is joining me, she worked there how long? >> the last 23 years. >> proud of the community. i wouldn't say this is just a one horse town, but when you look at the sights of the factory that is pretty much what
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it is. >> what will happen to the local economy do you think when they don't come back to work? >> it will plummet. school districts are having emergency meetingings for tax revenue meetings. >> what was it like in there? >> one of the hardest days of my life. the last car came around the bend and it was like a death, it hit us hard. >> are you still holding out hope that gm will have something for you to make in there? >> i have faith that we'll get another product. these men and women, every day we built quality into that vehicle, we were here day in and day out. we helped the company emerge
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from bankruptcy. >> are you sore about that? >> absolutely. we were here when gas prices were $3 and $4 and they were financial ruin. we were pumping out cars, we helped them, and gm admitted that, and this is how we're repaid? not fair. not fair at all. >> just in closing do you think that a lot of the people are bying offered jobs elsewhere? you're going to see a lot of people leave this community. >> yes, there are many people that already left, many coworkers that already left because they're scared and i understand that but some of us will remain strong, hunger down, and hope for the best. >> middle class jobs in middle class america, does that exist any more?
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>> we're fewer and farther between here. each one of our jobs spins off six automotive jobs, that's 28800 people. >> yeah, we didn't even talk about the suppliers. >> yeah, the teachers, the bankers, everyone. this will affect everyone in this area. in western pennsylvania. >> as we talked about earlier, this is not just happening here in ohio, it's happening in michigan, across the border in ontario, parts of illinois, these are tough times for p the people that have built our cars for us and in this case it won't be happening again. >> i there was in 2009 and 2010, and they announced it was going back to three full shifts, that was the picture of industrial america. i was going to ask extra
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questions, but tiffany addressed every one of them. it it's not just about the plant, it's the suppliers, the teachers, the restaurants, the bars, kevin tibbles in lordstown. plant. thank you coming up an nbc news exclusive, the most dangerous place in the world for children. the central african republic where close to two million children are in the middle of a humanitarian crisis that is going unnoticed. first, steny hoyer will not commit to the anti-semitism resolution this week. his week but do you take something for your brain. with an ingredient originally discovered in jellyfish, prevagen has been shown in clinical trials to improve short-term memory. prevagen. healthier brain. better life.
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rebuked. >> we already passed a resolution along those lines, and we want to make sure we don't allow republicans and others to try to divide us as a caucus. >> i think we've raised issues, but it's not just the congressional black caucus. many members of the democratic caucus are just concerned and concerned over the general rise in hatred that we have seen. and so we want to make clear that we make a stand against all forms of bigotry and hatred. >> would you have a problem with congresswoman omar being mentioned specifically by name in the resolution? >> absolutely. >> why? >> we'll continue to cover that story for you, but now to an nbc exclusive. it is the first time in years that cameras have been allowed into the central african republic, now known as the most dangerous place for children. 1.5 million children are at risk of starvation and are fighting for their lives. but a violent sectarian civil war has made it difficult to
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send aid and nearly impossible to tell their story until now. nbc's cynthia mcfadden went to the front lines of this growing humanitarian crisis. >> reporter: the central after my can republic is in shambles, the result of a brutal civil war that's killed tens of thousands of people. this is the first time in five years a u.s. television network has gone in. it requires heavily armed guards as the fighting between muslim rebels and christian militias for control of this mineral-rich nation still rages throughout 80% of the country. >> we have this line of vehicles here. two of them are armored. we are going with blue helmets, the guys with the guns. >> reporter: looking through the bullet-proof glass, a precaution that the people who live here do not have, it's obvious not everyone is happy to see us. except for a war zone, this is as dangerous as the assignment gets. >> yes. this is just the reality of life
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here. >> reporter: carol stern, the ceo of unicef usa says the lawlessness and violence are fueling a massive humanitarian crisis that is only getting worse. 1.5 million children are at risk of starvation. where is the world? how are we letting this happen? >> reporter: the danger has driven some "a" groups outside of the country. >> the jeep we've been driving around in, there is a bullet hole in the window. it's a very scary place. >> reporter: the young children here have never known peace. >> this is the most dangerous place in the world for children. >> harder than syria? >> the most dangerous because the conflict and the violence here prevent supplies from getting through, they prevent people from having any kind of normalcy to their life. there is an alarming rate of malnutrition in country as a result. the u.n. ranks the central african republic the worst country in the world when it
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comes to hunger. >> two of every three children in this country are in need of humanitarian assistance right now. >> reporter: in the country's capital, she takes us to meet some of those children. >> we are the only pediatric hospital in the country. not just in ban gui, but in the country. >> how many ambulances do you have? >> one. >> how many children? >> we have 300 beds, but depending on the time of year, we can have two or three kids per bed. >> two or three children per bed? >> many of them have lost parents, they get lost from their families in the midst. their whole security has been undermined. >> reporter: colette is one of those orphans. >> this seven-year-old weighs how much. >> she weighs 14 kilos, which is 28 pounds, roughly, and she's seven years old. >> you're worried.
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>> reporter: we meet vincent, a one and a half year old who is so mal nnourished, he can no longer eat. >> his stomach is shutting down. no intervention, you will lose this child. >> reporter: so tiny for her age, she is also running out of time. >> we look at the color of their hair which changes with severe malnutrition. it changes to an orangey color. >> do you ever turn a child away? >> translator: there is nowhere else to go. >> well, there's little you can say about this except i do have a piece of good news. since we left, there is a miracle in a little tiny package and that's called plumpy nut. it's a peanut butter paste which is a full day of nutrition. unicef and ngos are giving it to the children there. the six-year-old little girl, she in the intervening weeks, is now healthy and home. >> you talk about unicef. unicef is under some pressure
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right now. unicef are the people who work in places like that. when i went around at halloween, we would collect coins for unicef, but that's the work they actually do. >> and president trump proposed zero money for unicef in his budget. they are funded, but they put their lives on the front lines here. >> you talk about a humanitarian crisis, you talk about a civil war, and you have a sentence in there where you say it's a mineral-rich country. >> under the ground, with so many people with so little, under the ground, gold, diamonds, uranium, some of the biggest deposits known in the world are right there. but the people who are suffering get none of that, of course. it has drawn the attention, however, of the russians. >> the uranium mostly? >> we don't know, but what i do know for sure is that the u.n. has now lifted its ban on imporimpor importing weapons to the country so the russians can bring them in, and the russian national,
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who is the senior security adviser to the president. >> the u.s. doesn't have a great presence in some of these places, the chinese do. that's what you're used too heari -- to hearing, that it's the chinese. >> there was a thought russia had largely withdrawn from the contine continent, but at a critical point, it's a weak country anin strategically important location that many people believe this is russia. >> how can we help? >> go to the website. for a couple plumpy nuts a day, you can help keep a kid alive for a day. >> you can see more tonight with lester holt on "nbc nightly news" and you can also look at
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how you can help support the children in central africa. that will do it for me. you can find me on social media, facebook, twitter, instagram and linkedin. nicolle wallace starts now. it's 4:00 in new york. there is breaking news after the testimony on capitol hill from the president's fixer michael cohen. the man who has dispensed that president trump is a liar leaves behind a paper trail. he is sharing documents that show edits of the president's false testimony before congress. those surround questions about the trump tower moscow project which lined up his conviction for being charged. the documents are intended to


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