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thank you for being with us. see you next saturday at 4:00 p.m. you can follow me on facebook and twitter. now i turn it over to reverend al sharpton and "politicsnation." good evening and welcome to "politicsnation." tonight's lede, paul manafort receives less jail time than thousands of america's nonviolent prisoners for defrauding the nation to the tune of millions. and for that, just 47 months. less than four years. that was the ruling from a federal judge in vaerirginia wh he was sentenced thursday for financial fraud, not for
allegedly conspiring with foreign agents. a distinction the judge the virginia emphasized sunday. so president trump missed the point tweeting friday, quote, both the judge and the lawyer in the paul manafort case stated loudly and for the world to hear there was no collusion with russia. but while we're talking about desperately controlling the media narrative, the president lost yet another communications director this week. former fox news executive bill shine, just as he's gearing up for his re-election campaign, which will be executed by half of my panel tonight who joins me from dallas, katrina pearson. and with me here on set, david brock, chairman of american
bridge 21st century. let me go to you first, katrina. the president is clearly off on his facts when he says that, you know, this judge and everyone is saying he's cleared of russian collusion. this was not about that. that would be wednesday. but the president has had a kind of rough week from michael cohen to now bill shine, his communication director leaving. and we see other things on the horizon. is bill shine's resignation a result of the continuing media attention on this connection between fox news and the president, the height of which was the "new yorker" magazine piece that really outlined in very, very graphic details how
fox news has covered and really become just totally donald trump's television. >> good evening, reverend and thanks for having me. there's a lot of things i would like to unpack, first you started with the manafort sentencing and the president's stating exactly what the judge said. it was a reminder to everyone that this had nothing to do with the russia collusion hoax, and i think it's very important -- >> no it had nothing -- the sentencing on that case had nothing to do with it. the president said that the judge said -- >> nor the charges. >> wait a minute, i'll let you talk then you let me talk. he said that the sentencing had nothing to do -- he did not say there was no russian collusion. >> the judge did specifically state that this entire case had nothing to do with collusion or russia. >> that's what i just said. >> so it's worth noting and stating because what we've seen in this manic reaction to the sentencing reform.
you had elected officials on this network saying that paul manafort is somehow an enemy of the state and how he perpetuated an atrocity against a democracy. >> we will see the sentencing on that on wednesday. >> that's my point, reverend, there no sentencing on collusion. there are no russia collusion charges to be sentenced. >> well, i think on wednesday when he is sentenced and going forward we will see what that judge says and we will see what comes out of these russian collusion investigations. that is not -- that's far from over. but again, the president was incorrect in his saying that the judge said there is no russian collusion. there was none in that case. but you are avoiding my question on bill shine and the connection with fox news and whether it was connected with "new yorker." you're very trumpian, you are avoiding the issue. >> no, i'm actually not.
i just wanted to take each one case by case. >> but i only asked one question. let's deal with the question of bill shine. >> i think that it's false to say that the president has lost bill shine. bill shine is simply transferring to the campaign. this is not uncommon when it comes to high-profile individuals in a white house going to the campaign. david axelrod did it in 2012. james baker stepped down as secretary of state to lead george w. bush's efforts. it has nothing to do with fox news or any investigation surrounding the white house because there are plenty you can choose from. he hasn't lost anything because bill shine will be very much engaged in president trump's orbit as well as with the re-election campaign. >> david, i think what is differed, though, about axelrod and others is i don't think any president in two and a half years hadcts come and go as thi president has.
and that is probably the difference. nor do t've hathis wild kind of association of one network with one president at the time that shine resigned was the time this "new yorker" piece was really being talked about. >> right. i don't think it's a coincidence that the "new yorker" came out this week and showed that what we've all known for a long time that fox news is a propaganda outlet. it is night and day relentless pro-trump, that the president gets his talking points from fox news in the morning and there's an insidious feedback loop. i don't know how significant it is, it could be that shine's roll with the fox connection became superfluous because rupert murdock is talking regularly and sean hannity is talking to donald trump.
and that's not journalism, rev. >> since you are now, katrina, dealing with the re-election, the president talked about how he was going to do all these things in terms of the deficit, in terms of the economy, and yet we are seeing record deficit. i'm going to deal with that later in the show, $891 billion trade deficit. how do you run for re-election when he's done the exact opposite of what he promised the american people, including his base? >> well, first let me just say that that no one at fox news was giving donald trump debate questions. >> we're talking about the deficit now. we're talking about -- katrina, katrina. one of the things we're going to do on this show is we're going to deficit. a deficit. he ran that he could manage the deficit, he attacked his predecessors about the deficit.
how do you run for re-election when you've done the total opposite of what you promised, people including your base. that's the question. >> look, reverend, it's not the total opposite. i mean, the president's been in office for two years now. and i think it's safe to say that trade deficits, for example, have been an extreme problem, and this is one president that has put america first when it comes to renegotiating trade agreements. what we do see happening is record number of jobs coming back into the united states. we see unemployment as an all-time low. we see african-american unemployment historically at lower levels because he is empowering the economy by by taking on -- >> thoiunemployment was going d before he came in and it just continued. it has nothing to do with the fact that he promised he was
going to take control of the deficit. the deficit, david, is higher than it has been, and he is the one, not his opponents or his critics, that said he would manage and deal with it. that has not not happened. >> that's right. he came into office saying with his credential that he was a businessman. he said he would solve this problem of the deficit. we are going to have a ballooning deficit we'll have to pay for, we're going to pay the price at some point. and it's another example of donald trump betraying conservative principles time and again. this is usually a conservative issue. and he's lost on it. time and again from betraying yo our allies, this president has no ideological core. >> what happened in north korea, katrina? nothing happened. the president gave one version, the north koreans gave another
version. can you share with us what you know if you know? >> i can just share with you what i think. we have not had this discussion at the campaign. that is a white house question. but i will also say thank you and i'm very glad that democrats are now suddenly concerned with the deficit. but with regards to north korea, it's very telling that president trump during the campaign promised the american people that he would do whatever it took to try and resolve these major issues around the world, north korea being one of them. of course we expect north korea to give their own version of things. i don't think anyone is surprised that they have their own propaganda that they push out. but at the same time, many americans are actually pleased that president trump is actually trying to make a difference in ending the war in korea and bringing back our soldiers. it's not going to happen overnight. >> but i thought they had this great love affair and they had this great kind of bonding going
on. yet he was not able to move the mark and there are even reports, including video, that they are now rebuilding their nuclear plan where they had promised that they were, in many ways, bringing down or trying to -- president and others were leading us to believe that there was moving toward their denuclearizing and it seems like the opposite is happening now. >> that's apparently what it might seem like if you believe the media, but i also believe our state department and the president, and i believe that in good faith things are moving -- >> when you see video of them -- >> things are moving forward. >> but when you see, david, there are videos showing where the actual nuclear site is being redeveloped, this is not media. >> it's not. >> and north korea will not say -- they're not denying that
they have not entered into any kind of denuclearization, so this is not about the media. >> it's not about the media at all. it's about our intelligence and proof. the president may not respect our intelligence agencies, but the american public does. what we see time and again is diplomacy where trump thinks he can cozy up to these owedous dictators and he comes up empty handed time and again. >> katrina and david, don't go away. coming up first, 14, that's the number of democrats who are officially running for 2020 presidential election, one of them is joining us next. be right back. t. be right back. an incomplete job from any one else. why accept it from your allergy pills? most pills don't finish the job because they don't relieve nasal congestion. flonase sensimist is different. it relieves all your worst symptoms, including nasal congestion, which most pills don't. it's more complete allergy relief.
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welcome back. we're anticipating more candidates will announce they're they're joining this crowded field of democrats running for president in 2020, but this week will he when we learned of a few big names who are not. michael bloomberg, the former mayor of new york city, eric holder, the former u.s. attorney general, senator shared brown of ohio, and senator jeff merkley of oregon, oh, and add hillary clinton who also said, quote, i'm not running to a new york city television station. but by judging by the candidates who are running, this is a
democratic party different from even three years ago when clinton last ran. some say more liberal, others say too liberal to beat president trump. joining me is one of the candidates, former housing secretary and former mayor of san antonio, julian castro. let me start by asking you, mr. castro, in a crowded field, how are any of the candidates distinguishing yourselves? does it make it where you have to do something provocative to even be noticed, or do you just run your race hoping your message breaks through, even though you have so many people on the stage with you? >> it's good to be with you, reverend al. for me i've always believed that the the first thing that you should do when you're running for office is to tell people what you're going to do for them and their family if they i'm god
articulate a strong, positive future. i've talked about in this 21st century making the united states the smartest, the healthiest, the fairest, and the most prosperous nation on earth. i see myself as the antithesis of president trump. he's been the most divisive president we've had in quite a while. i'd like to bring the country together. i've demonstrated integrity and honest. i want to be a president for all americans and not just a president for 37% that he sees as his base. i'm fundamentally focused on the future. i don't want to make this country anything again, i want to make it better than ever for all americans. >> you are the only announced latino in the race.
certainly when we deal with the identity politics people would you say that distinguishes you, but you also served across racial and nationality lines at hud, as mayor, so your message comes from a place that you understand but has gone to a place you clearly outlined here. in your home state of texas, there's a lot of explanation that beto o'rourke may run, and he's even as late as today put out people should sign up to be the first to know what he decides to do. will beto o'rourke affect your campaign, both of you coming from texas, both of you raising money in texas if he were to run, as many of us feel, will it impact or alter in any way your campaign. >> yeah, you know we're going to have a very crowded primary
already. i think we have 14 or 15 candidates that are running. i was pleased to support, happy to support congressman o'rourke when he ran for senate against ted cruz. i think he's an impressive candidate. i'm sure he'll bring his voice and experience to the table just like all the other candidates. that's not going to change what i do. ins going to change the message i'm delivering or the experience i'll offer if i'm leaked president. so i'm just going to focus on getting to the voters in these early states and throughout the country. i made a pledge about two weeks ago to visit every single state in our union. i started in idaho and then went to utah, two places where democrats don't usually go. and i'm going to keep doing that. it doesn't matter if we have 40 people in the race. i'm going to sketch out my own vision for the future and let the chips fall where they may. >> most people polled are saying
that -- i'm talking most democrats, that they are really wanting a candidate that can defeat president trump. your arrangement to those voters, what you feel is the most emigration things that president trump has done that you would do differently or the opposite of if you were to be elected? >> i'd say to restore integrity and honesty to the white house. this is a president that has been more untruthful probably in the history of our nation's history. people have seen the number of lies he's told about any number of things, and it's damaging our democracy. i want to make sure that the people of the united states have a government that they can trust in washington, d.c. on top of that, i really believe it's time for a president who is trying to bring people together
and not to tear them apart. we need somebody that is not only, you know, focused on the future and has a strong agenda for the future, but also trying to work with the other side when it's appropriate, not just throwing insults out there either to people who are in another party or to foreign leaders. this president has damaged our democracy, and i would like to return us to a strong path for growth, for prosperity, for all americans in the years to come. and i would say also for those who wonder, well, how are you going to beat this president? we're not going to be beat this president by trying to be this president. we're going to beat this president by offering a strong, positive vision for the future and trying to unite people, and focusing on all americans, not just what this president does, which is just focus on 37% that he considers his base and if he just brings those people out,
he's going to win narrowly like he did last time. he lost by 2.8 million votes in the popular vote but he thinks he can run the table again with this narrow strategy. i believe i can go back and get michigan, wisconsin, and pennsylvania. we only lost them by less than 80,000 votes next time, and i'm confident if i'm the nominee we can get the 2019 electoral votes in florida, the 11 electoral votes of arizona, and even the 38 electoral votes in texas. >> you came out this week on the last several weeks supporting the idea of looking into republic reparations for african-americans. how do you feel we need do deal with those segments in this country that have a
disproportionate -- we keep talking about how the economy's doing well, but it is still uneven when it comes to blacks and latinos. >> well, of course that's true. what i said a couple weeks ago is that i have long believed that one of the ways we should consider addressing the original sin of slavery is reparations. i asked folks, i said under our constitution we compensate people if we take their property. shouldn't people be compensated if they were property? that was sanctioned by the state? in this case, shouldn't be compensate their.
to fully move forward as one nation with one destiny that we're going to have to address that. and the way that i would dress it if i'm elected president is by appointing a commission of people, of different walks of life who understand this issue, a task force to come up with action that we can take on reparations. some people have asked, well, what are you talking about? why are you talking about a commission instead of just saying you're going to do this? and the reason for that is because, as you know, this is a subject people view differently and there are different ways we can address it. at the end of it, what we would like is for it to be healing for the country. in order to do that, we have to pay as much attention not only to the end result, but also to the process to get there so that it can bring americans together as much as possible. >> all right >> and i think
that's done through a task force. >> we also must heal the injured. thank you, julian castro. and a note. in less than one month the national action network will gather civil rights activists, stakeholders, and 2020 presidential candidates for the 28th annual national convention to examine the state of civil liberties and racial justice today. among the speakers and panelists, 2020 presidential candidates, senators cory booker, kirsten gillibrand, kamala harris, amy klobuchar, jeff merkley, bernie sanders, elizabeth warren, mayor pete buttigieg, congressman john dilanian, entrepreneur andrew yang and stacy abrams, valerie jared, eric holder, karen bass, lucy mcbath, and alexandria ocasio-cortez. and reverend jesse jackson. go online and register.
. i was looking at some of those big, once-incredible, job-producing factories and my wife, melania, said what happened? i said those jobs have left ohio. they're all coming back. they're all coming back. [ cheers and applause ] coming back. don't move. don't sell your house. >> yep, time for my weekly memo to president trump. your america-first policies are a disaster. and americans are tired of paying the price. you keep insisting we're winning this trade war with china and that trade deficit is down. well, that's a flatout lie. this week the u.s. trade deficit
in goods hit a record high of $891 billion. the same day that auto maker general motors announced plans to close yet another assembly plant and cutting nearly 1,700 jobs. and because you tried to go after china alone instead of banding together with our allies, american farmers are bearing the brunt of your bad decisions. farmers across the midwest are filing for bankruptcy at alarming rates, not seen in a decade. during the campaign you promised that eliminating our national debt would be a piece of cake. what happened? not only do we have a historic trade deficit, but you and republicans who ran congress for the past two years spent real big and passed tax cut packages that still hasn't been paid for.
now your white house plans to unveil an unbalanced budget calling for more spending on immigration enforcement while slashing domestic programs like food stamps and farm subsidies, i know you tried to seal your school transcript, but it's clear you couldn't have passed economics 101 if you think this is putting america first. be right back. biopharmaceutical researchers. driven each day to pursue life-changing cures... in a country built on fostering innovation. here, they find breakthroughs...
i think there has to be operations and we can discuss what that is. >> we're not going to be correct course without intervention so we need conversation about what that intervetion should look like. >> i have long believed this country should resolve its original sin of slavery and one of the ways we should consider doing that is through reparations for people who are the dissen dents of slaves. >> the topic of reparations, once political retro active, even for democrats, has found its way into the debate with four candidates on record as endorsing some restitution for
the descendants of saves. the highest african-american in congress is unconvinced. majority whip james clyburn who said this week that, quote, pure reparations would be impossible to implement. back with me, katrina pierson, and david brock, chairman of american bridge 21st century. katrina, how about it is this if the congress passed a bill, house and senate, to study reparations, would the president sign the bill? >> i don't know. i haven't asked him about reparations, but to your last point, it's nearly impossible to even try to come up with the criteria for that. >> i said if the bill was a
commission to establish to study it, would he sign it? >> it would have to get through the house and the senate. so i can't answer you question. it's a hypothetical, reverend. >> and i'm asking you would he sign it and support it? >> i can't answer. the last segment you were in, you said that black unemployment was lower than it's ever been and it was going down, but it's still almost double that to white. what is the president's plan to directly deal with the disproportionate amount of blacks to whites? >> one of the policies a lot of people support the president is fighting back against illegal immigration. you and i both know that thimpas the community with regards to i don't say and wages.
>> you're saying immigration -- >> illegal immigrants are not moving in to gated communities or in the politicians' neighbors. >> you're arguing that illegal immigration is the reason that blacks are almost doubly unemployed to whites in this country? >> no, you asked me what was a contributor. >> i asked you what his plan was to address the fact that even in a good economy, blacks are doubly unemployed to whites. that's what i asked you. >> the problem is it's not good enough that it's gone drastically low for you. so let me say once again -- >> david, let me go to you. because what i'm saying is that even in good times -- i gave you two opportunities. >> these are great times. you haven't even discussed the infusion that this president has had an infusion of capital.
>> the reality is part of his base is attracted to donald trump because he's a racist. so there's not going to be any plan. on the democratic side, the good news is, as julian castro was just talking about on this show, we're going to see a groundbreaking democratic primary where these issues are raised, structural racism, the income disparity that you just talked about. i think that's going to be a healthy debate for the democratic party. i think candidates are going to stake out different positions on that, but i think everybody will come around to the view. as a conservative columnist in "the new york times" said just addressing the issue will start to heal the country. >> 68% of americans opposite paying black americans who are descendants of slaves, but when we look by race, most white americans opposite it and 60% of
black americans are for it. but look at the division by party. while 55% of democrats opposite reparations, the number is much higher if you ask republicans. 86% against it. so there is this real difference in terms of where we look at reparations. and the question of race is definitely going to be in this campaign. let me ask you this, katrina. historically, republicans and democrats have had major figures of the black community in the west wing as part of their senior staff and administration. who are the blacks in the west wing under president trump? >> you mean those who actually took the job or those who've been offered? because those are entirely different questions. >> that work in the west wing, let me -- no, i didn't ask you offer.
i asked you -- wait a minute. let me ask the question. i can understand why you're nervous. >> i'm not going to participate if you're going to continue to paint this president as racist. >> conned lee za rice with bush, colin powell with bush sr., is it not a striking contrast, yet they want to appeal for black votes. i asked you to name them -- >> because i'm not going to participate in the attempt to make this all about race. it's ridiculous. how many black people were in abraham lincoln's west wing? >> first of all, you've got to go back to abe lincoln, you really need to -- george bush. >> is abraham lincoln a racist because he didn't have a black person in the white house? the this is insane. this is an insane discussion.
>> you can't name a black in the west wing because we can't find one, katrina. i pity you. i'd sympathize with you, come on. it's unthinkable in the 21st century that even a spokesperson for president trump can't name a black in the west wing. >> absolutely. and you contrast that with the range of diversity of our candidates on our side of the presidential primary this time, the record number of diverse members of congress elected on the democratic side this last time. it's such a stark contrast and it's an embarrassment that you can't come up with one name. >> it's exactly not an embarrassment. this goes to show you how ridiculously pathological identical politics is in this country when you have somebody like will smith, who is not even considered black enough to portray a black man in hollywood. >> katrina, you brought up, you, earlier in the show, how black unemployment was so low.
that wasn't identical politics. >> yes. >> but when i asked you about a black in the west wing, it's identical politics. and you wonder why there's a problem with black voters? if you want to identity black unemployment numbers but can't identity a program to make them equal to the regular unemployment numbers, that's not identity politics. >> but you won't let me speak to talk about those programs, like the money that's going to minority businesses and money that's going to use. i don't want to hear about the policies. >> i gave you every opportunity and i'll give you some more. maybe you'll find somebody in the west wing before we have you common. thank you, katrina pierson, and thank you, david brock. coming up, hip hop artists are going to the supreme court. i'll explain next.
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artists filed a legal brief with the united states supreme court on behalf of pittsburgh rapper jamal knox, stage name mayhem mile. in in prison for lyrics threatening two police officers in a 2012 song. allies are contending that his lyrics while provocative, fall within the scope of protected speech but are being subjected to a double standard that is unique to hip hop. joining me now, jamilla lamal, columnist and strategist. which whole question of why they have gone after this particular artist, this particular rapper, and now many in the hip hop community have come together and have filed a brief on his behalf, give us the background and the contention here. >> well, you know, there are
different standards for different groups of people in this country, as we know, and unfortunately this young man has not been able to express his legal -- to exercise his legal right, to express himself creatively. a lot of us take issue with the violence this rap music. it's something you have spoken out about in the past, it's something i take issue with. legally the artists have the right to say things we find to be abhorrent. his record that speaks of violence against police offic s officers, we need to take a look at entertainment from other generas of music, and say hey, there are depictions of rape here, acts of violence that are not being portrayed by young african-american men. we need to investigate those and take them seriously. what this comes down to is that
if a young black man records a song saying he's going to do something violent towards a police officer, that that's to be taken as a legitimate threat when there have been instances of police officers making jokes on social media, on facebook, in private groups, on e-mails describing violence against members of the communities that they're supposed to protect and serve, and those threats, many of which have been acted upon, aren't punished. >> what we're really saying here is the issue of double standard, whether we agree with the lyrics or not, as you said, some of us have opposed some lyrics or not, the double standard because it seems some are reaching a level of criminality and others are judged as free speech and you can't have a double standard if you're having -- particularly if you're going to deal in the criminal justice system. >> absolutely. >> now, the artists that are supporting him, the basis of their brief to the supreme court
is that free speech. if you deemed other generas of music that also promotes violence and other things is free speech, how is this different? is that the basis? am i correct on that? is that the basis of their brief? >> absolutely. that is the basis of this argument. to say that we're going to take the hyperbolic language, would mean we need to apply that standard to all music and that's simply not what we do. i thought it was interesting when supreme court justice john roberts made his original statements about this that he chose to cite lyrics by the rapper eminem and that's not likely somebody who's likely to have been subjected to punishment for the things he said under these grounds even though his music is chalk full of reference to violence against his mother, his former partner but this little known artist who records a song using language that has been used in hip hop
since, you know, not quite at its inception but since its very early days is being treated as such is just absolutely unfair, and you know, to suggest that this is anything but racism just feels wrong. it's one of those things that we can't prove, right, we know in our gut. we understand that you're treating this young black man, you're treating this genera of art that is created largely by young black men differently than we treat other art forms. you don't have to tell us you're doing this because these are young black men but we understand it and recognize it know it. >> thank you, jameleah. up next, my final thoughts. stay with us. ♪ ♪
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according to audio from the scene never identified himself as a cop. i was one of those that preached at cory jones' funeral in november of 2015. and roger who later left the force used as his defense, stand your ground. the jury convicted him. which means that as we looked last week at the lack of prosecution in sacramento around stephan clark, and around terrance crutcher in tulsa, oklahoma, there are some injuries that do get a case and do say a policeman is wrong. all policemen are not wrong but all of them are not right. we must correct a system that says that we will distinguish crime whether the accused has on a blue uniform or blue jeans, the law must be up held, and west palm sent that message.
that does it for me. thanks for watching. i'll see you back here tomorrow at 5:00 p.m. eastern for a new live edition of "politics nation", up next, "deadline white house" with my colleague and friend nicole wallace. aloha, everyone, it is 4:00 in new york city, i'm john heileman, president trump could have spent this morning basking in the glow of the sentence handed down to his former campaign chairman, paul manafort, a sentence so lenient that it gives new meaning to soft on crime. trump sees the cycle and turned it back to a topic you would think he would want to avoid, his former fixer michael cohen. tweeting about cohen's testimony on capitol hill nine days ago. here's that tweet. >> bad l