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finity store, call, or go online today. that is our show today, thank you for checking back. alex witt has the latest. i don't know if you're as accurate as i am. >> i was going to call you up and say, are you going to go home now. you're saying this about daylight savings time. you had to stay up and watch snl and ingrid sell ba. >> i get it. >> have a great show. >> thank you. good day to all of you from here. msnbc world headquarters in new york. it is high noon here. 9:00 in the west. new insight into the 17 investigations focused on the president and a fresh call to get to the truth. >> the president has made probably over 1,000 false statements about the russia
issues and here we're going to simply have to find what corroboration we can to find out where the truth lies. >> plus, the president, his budget and the one thing his daughter wants to spend government money on. and the early dem favorites in the 2020 race start to feel the heat from the rest of the pack. new developments this hour on a question engulfing the political world. when it comes to a presidential pardon, who is lying, the president or his former attorney, michael cohen? he chaired the powerful intelligence committee, adam schiff, revealing that they asked cohen behind the doors whether a presidential pardon was considered? shiv teas schiff teasing the transcripts will be revealed. the president tweeted cohen directly asked me for a pardon. cohen refutes that. did he lie again when he says this? i have never asked for nor would i accept a pardon from president trump.
>> meanwhile, as the country awaits the much anticipated report from the special counsel, schiff is urging robert mueller to compel the president to testify under oath. >> ultimately it's a mistake because probably the best way to get the truth would be to put the president under oath because as he's made plain in the past, he feels it's perfectly fine to lie to the public, after all he has said, it's not like i'm talking before a magistrate. well, maybe he should talk before a magistrate. mounting reaction over the controversy that consumed congress this week. the anti-semitic comments made and the lingering tug of war after the house resolution condemned all forms of hate. 23 republicans voted against it including liz cheney who this morning defended her vote. >> there's nothing objectionable in the resolution. i decided to vote against it because i think it was clearly an effort to protect her, to
cover up her bigotry and anti-semitism by refusing to name her. democrats have yet to take any action to remove her. >> democratic presidential candidate julian castro refusing the idea that it was watered down. >> i don't believe that she's in her heart an antisemite, but i do believe those comments gave life to some old tropes. they recognized anti-semitism in the u.s. and europe has been on the rise and we need to combat that. >> let's bring in nbc white house correspondent kelly o'donnell joining us from west palm beach. you had a windy day yesterday, looks a little bit calmer there today for both you and the president who may be out on the golf links. let's get to chairman schiff,
kelly, who suggested that the committee cannot solely depend on cohen's testimony. >> that's right. looking at what the chairman is saying is that he hopes that the public will be able to evaluate much more. the freeze is go the president is golfing with professional player justin johnson. now to adam schiff. chairman of the intelligence committee. how does the public evaluate what michael cohen says when the president points out discrepancies in his testimony. the president and cohen, his former lawyer, former fixer have been in sort of a running feud for a few months now. it leaves people wondering whom to believe. the president doesn't always have a good track wlord it comes to adhering to the truth and neither does cohen. cohen is heading to prison and had a very high profile appearance on capitol hill. schiff is learning there is more
to learn and it is his plan to let the public see more when it comes to transcripts of testimo testimony. >> to me in looking at what michael cohen said in the open hearing and then what his lawyer said afterwards, it was very much like what donald trump did when he said that he had no knowledge of these payments to stormy daniels and then rudy giuliani said, oh, yes he did. well, wr is there is the truth ? we asked michael cohen about this extensively. we can make those public. the public can evaluate his credibility themselves. >> reporter: and all along there are many experts that say when you're looking at the case of michael cohen and what he contributes to the investigation, whether it's the mueller case or the southern district of new york, there has to be a larger look at other supporting documentation or corroboration because of the checkered history of lying and then saying he's a truth teller,
then discrepancies in what he is saying making this murky. murky benefits the president. that's one of the things with the cohen testimony and the pardon that has helped the president by being able to point out that there was an instance where the lawyers for cohen had reached out to lawyers for the president to inquire about possible pardons. then michael cohen says under oath in front of congress, on camera that he never asked for and would not accept a pardon. that makes it harder for the public to figure out where does the truth live in all of this and it makes it much more challenging for people like adam schiff, the chairman of the committee, to figure out what is the value of what they have when they bring some of these figures in, put them under oath and make them a part of the investigation. >> alex? >> kelly o., thank you so much from west palm beach. joining me to continue the conversation, charlie savage, washington correspondent for the "new york times" and msnbc contributor.
daniel dale with the toronto star and eugene scott with the washington post. i'm glad to have all of you here. i'll start with you, charlie. did it appear to you as though congressman schiff believes the pardon story? >> i think congressman schiff is acknowledging he is a problematic witness. he is an admitted liar. once you have someone whose credibility like that is shot, you can put forward what they're saying if it helps your side, which is what he's doing here, but he's also candidly saying that he knows that they're not going to convince much of america that might be on trump's side just because cohen is saying so. that's why he's saying we need corroborating evidence, documents. it seems to fit within the larger pattern of you saw congressman nadler saying we're not going to move forward with impeachment or anything unless we have a sizeable cohort of republicans who believe that trump has committed removable wrongdoing. this is a theme from democrats we keep hearing, the need to
convince more than just their own side. >> yeah. daniel, do we have any idea when these transcripts could be forth coming? what kind of hoops do they have to go through before they can be released to the public? >> i'm not sure. i haven't seen any specifics on that. i've seen where the democrats want to get them to the public as soon as possible, but i haven't seen details on when precisely they plan to do so. >> no had i, that's why i'm asking you guys. any of you have any idea? have you heard any idea how long it will take to get the transcripts released or what they would have to go through to get thm released? no? we'll have to wait until we get that. eugene, do you think it is a mistake for mueller to not subpoena the president as schiff has suggested? by saying that, do you get a sense that they are not satisfied with the direction of the mueller investigation? >> i think the point schiff is trying to make is the american people want as much information as possible. we know that the president has consistently claimed that this whole situation, this
investigation is a witch hunt and he is being honest. if he is being as truthful as he claims to be, in theory he should be able to testify under oath. that's schiff's argument. most americans who want to see this carried through to the logical conclusion are hoping that is what happens as well. whether that will happen we don't know. i'm he not in a position to say whether or not -- what is best for mueller. this is something that he has far more experience doing than what i am doing, but i certainly think it would be odd to many americans if we get this far in the investigation and certainly to the point of completion and the president himself does not testify under oath. >> what about congressman shoif said this morning that the president has made over 1,000 false statements about specifically russia? how else but through a subpoena can the truth be found? >> yeah, it's certainly in the hundreds by my count, and we know, you know, the democrats want trump testifying under oath
for obvious reasons. he's a walking perjury charge. we know he struggled mightily in giving a deposition in a 2007 lawsuit. we also know from bob woodward's reporting that trump's preparation sessions for a possible mueller interview were a disaster in the last year and a half or so. there are reasons the democrats want it to happen. i think for mueller's side, we don't know precisely what mueller was doing, what he has going, what he thinks is necessary so i think it's very much wait and see. and i think we also have to remember that any subpoena would almost certainly be challenged by the trump team possibly delaying mueller's investigation by months if not longer and so he has his own self-interested calculations here and it may not be as obvious to him as it is to democrats that a subpoena is the way to go. >> at this point what we do know is just that the president has responded in writing to mueller's questions, right? nothing beyond. can you confirm that? >> that's right, yes. >> all right. we're going to talk about the
budget for a moment now with all of you. the president, of course, set to announce his budget tomorrow morning. includes a huge amount of cuts to a variety of government programs but npr is reporting one proposal calls for increased spending on child care and a new initiative to address shortages there. what does that signal to you, charlie, that particular focus? >> this is an ivanka trump special. she lieds to put out this sort of branding gloss of a kinder, gentler sort of note struck by her faction within the white house, but if this budget is anything like what we think it's going to be, if it's anything like last year's budget proposal, there will be billions and billions of dollars of proposed cuts to things like children's insurance, food assistance to needy families, education for poor and working class people and so a billion dollars for a one-time child care program balanced against the proposed loss of an exponentially more money that also is aimed at helping poor
working class people, you have to ask like what's the reality here on the spectrum between sort of good faith serious proposals and one day messaging strategies? this looks like one of the latter to me. >> daniel, what about you? the reported 100 million being used to divert towards what ivanka has, these women's focused foundations and projects? what does that say in terms of the public outcry there? should there be public outcry? >> i think it's important to remember with any budget prop e proposal that a lot of this is doa. we have a democratic controlled house. i think it's also interesting that we get these ivanka trump branded proposals. like you don't usually hear jared kushner or the deputy chief of staff for such and such is putting forth a proposal. no, these proposals go in the perimeter of the white house of the president. i think it's noteworthy that they make an effort to allow
ivanka to keep building her own personal brand to help herself in business and her own personal career in the way they don't any other white house aide. >> different topic for you, euge eugene. the president calling democrats antiisrael and antijews. you're saying the numbers prove otherwise. talk about that. >> the comments by omar that led to the democrats to propose a resolution. they called the democrats a party that's not supportive of israel. we know the data and stats don't support that. more than 70% of jewish americans voted for democrats. that is in part because they do believe that the democratic party is actually more supportive of the ideals and values that line up with those of jewish americans and quite
frankly they feel like it's rich to hear the president himself make that type of comment. this is the same president who called the group of knee ee nne good people. if they're using the situation involving representative omar as a catalyst of that, he's going to have to do something else other than putting out information that's inconsistent with the facts. >> guys, thanks for the chat. much appreciated on this sunday. let's go now to breaking news from ethiopia where eight americans are among the 157 people killed today when an ethiopian airlines jet crashed shortly after taking off. its wi let's go to chapman in the london bureau. this is a heart breaker. six minutes after takeoff. what can you tell us? >> reporter: always a sad site when this happened.
ethiopian airlines says there are no survivors from flight 302. lost contact en route to nairobi, kenya. it was a brand new boeing 737 max 8. went down 35 miles southeast of the ethiopian capital killing all 157 people on board. amongst the dead, as you said, alex, are eight americans. the crew and passengers on board were from at least 35 countries. at a press conference the ceo said the captain was a senior captain and had been with the airlines since 2010. the captain sent a distress call and was given clearance to return but we know unfortunately this plane did not make it back. ceo of ethiopian airlines was photographed at the crash site and in a tweet the airlines said he expressed his profound sympathy and con dole lapses to the families and loved ones and the crew that lost their life which is almost a large crater
where this went down. they've put up tape as debris and belongings are spread amongst the site. we've seen people walking this scene trying to establishha mayt this plane down as we see them searching through the debris and as investigators will begin soon to find out why this happened. >> there's just so little left of that plane. it's quite extraordinary. i know ethiopian airlines has a pretty good track record. this type of plane was involved in another accident as well recently? >> reporter: that's right, alex. a reliant airplane crashed in august last year. similar circumstances. it was a 737 max a and it crashed shortly after takeoff. nothing to say these two crashes are linked. boeing has said it's sending out a technical assistance team under the direction of the ethiopian accident investigation bureau and the ntsb and they
will try to establish at this point, alex, what may have brought this down. boeing obviously said they are sad to hear about the passing of these passengers. >> okay. nbc's chapman bell. thank you so much. the partisan battling on the judiciary committee as democrats seek vital documents and interviews with those closest to the president. what republicans are doing to try to protect the president. tot
department perform oversight of the executive branch and we're constitutionally mandated to do so. the republicans while they were in charge simply didn't do it despite the fact that we saw so many red flags of different crimes that could have been committed, different issues that we really needed to be providing over sight on. they simply pushed it under the rug. >> congresswoman katie hill there defending 81 document requests going out to trump associates and entities from democrats on the house judiciary committee. joining me now, congressman jamie raskin, member of the house judiciary and over sight committees. welcome back to the broadcast. i want to get your reaction right away to the requests and are documents pouring in? >> yes, i'm delighted to be with you. yeah, well, as katie hill was saying. there were two years where the republicans did no constitutional oversight of the executive branch and we have so many very serious allegations of abuse of power, obstruction of justice, cooperation with the
russian active measure campaign to interfere with the 2016 election, emoluments clause violations and so on. so we're catching up on lost time here. we sent those document requests out. i think they've got another week to get everything back in, but it shouldn't be difficult because every document we requested was one that's already been produced in another federal or state or congressional investigation. >> look, i have a nice summary of at least most of those different lawsuits already ongoing and the investigations and to add to the ones you said, maybe repeat a couple. russian interference, emoluments, wikileaks, the dnc hack. where do you start now and can you get through all of this before the next election cycle? >> well, i agree it's a tough challenge confronting us. it's kind of like coming upon an 88 car pile up on the highway. where do you begin? but we need to obviously get to
the bottom of federal crimes that have t ongoing patterns of corruption that are undermining the public interest, but we also need to tell coherent narrative. we need to find out exactly what happened. we've got a president who is behaving as though the federal government is an instrument for money making and self-enrichment which is the exact opposite of the constitution. >> emoluments. >> it's an antibribery clause. it says neither the government nor president can clicked payments from foreign princes, kings, governments and every day at the trump hotel, office tower, golf clubs they're raking in tens, hundreds of thousands of dollars from foreign governments. this is a great way to flatter the president of the united states, and that's precisely what the founders didn't want us to do. >> exactly. >> we're going back to basics here. >> with regard to the emoluments
clause and the violations therein by the trump administration, the fact is that this has been ongoing for some time. een filed some time ago. that >> yes, they did. >> look how long it's taking to percolate and get put in front of the judge. what does that say about everything else? >> it says they've been packing the courts, too. there have been some very brave judges who have been finding that congress has standing, that the state of maryland, the district of columbia have standing to object to the emoluments. the trump hotel, i have a name to change it to the washington ee moll u meant. every day they're collecting bribes and payoffs and this is a way to gain access to the white house and the executive branch of government. now finally we're getting some discovery and we're going after it and of course the republicans are kicking and screaming
because they don't want us to do this. you know, they would prefer if we were still working on the benghazi investigation and hillary's e-mails. they spent more than two years on that and they're complaining after two weeks of us sending out documents request for us to get to the corruption and lawlessness engulfing this administration. >> the republicans aren't keen about you doing this, neither is the president. let's take a listen to what he said about all of it. >> they want people or organizations got letters. i'm he not surprised. it's a disgrace. the campaign begins. >> the last point the president made, does he have a point? is part of the objective here to keep the cloud of investigation simmering over the president well into the 2020 campaign? >> no. we have a constitutional over sight responsibility to be ferreting out corruption in the executive branch. this is the most corrupt presidency of our lifetimes. nothing else even comes close to
a president who's decided to make the government a money making operation for him selves and his friends and has sold off essentially every department of government to the private special interests who are supposed to be regulated by it. the department of education is over run by the for profit colleges now. the department of interior has been taken over by the mining interests and by the fracking interests and so you name the special interest which does not have the general good of the public at heart. >> is there any potential political fallout that you worry about for the democrats if investigations do not uncover substantive proof of these allegations of malfeasance? >> well, first of all, there are already lots of people going to jail as we've seen. the president's campaign chairman paul manafort's going to jail. michael flynn, his national security advisor, went to jail despite the fact that he had been warned by the obama administration that he was
compromised by his ties to russian ollie gashiigarchs and . michael cohen is going off to jail. there aren't too many people left. everything is in plain sight. we need to put it together into a coherent narrative and explain how the government of the united states has been taken over by interests that are hostile to the best interests of the american people. we have been making progress on the things we got elected to do. we just passioned the expansion of the universal criminal and mental background check for gun purchases so we're picking up people who were getting through the private gun show loophole, getting through the internet loophole, getting through, you know, the parking lot at 7-eleven loophole. we're making government work for the people again. we're working on prescription drug reform. we're working on health care. this is what we should be doing. we've got to stop the idea that government belongs to the
president as if he's a king. it's a complete inversion of the constitutional design. >> congressman, one more question before i let you go relative to the anti-hate legislation. >> yes. >> the debate among democrats appears to expose some deep divides. give me the reality among democrats in this division and what the consensus is on congressman omark. is it rookie mistakes, generational divide or is she speaking her mind? >> well, there's a bunch of questions in there. they're all excellent questions. we are a large majority coalition and there are obviously some growing pains that go along with that, but i think we're doing beautifully. the resolution that we adopted on thursday is the most powerful denunciation of anti-semitism in the history of the united states congress and it was the first denunciation of bigotry and bias against muslims and we denounced all of the forms of hate speech that threaten us. now when the charlottesville events took place we tried to get the republicans in control
of the house to have a resolution denouncing what had taken place and they refused to do it. on the floor i heard my colleague, mr. collins say, this is obvious hate is hate. and then most of the republicans did thankfully vote for it. it wasn't so obvious that they wanted to do it after the murder of heather hier in charlottesville and the obscene demonstration of nazi and neoconfederate propaganda down there. there were still 23 republicans that couldn't bring themselves to vote for it. i think history is going to judge them harshly for it. we wanted to single out representative omar and not talk about the vile threats against her that took place in the wake of her comments imputing loyalty but, look, this is a big country and we have to stand together like ben franklin said, we're going to hang together or we're going to hang separately. so all of the groups who are threatened by the rising tide of
anti-semiti anti-semitism, racism, group hatred, they have to stand together. we did that very proudly. i respect very much my colleague ted deutsch who felt that he wanted to have a singular denunciation but still voted for what we did. he wanted to go further. fine. there are a lot of people who wanted us to denounce donald trump who ran the most anti-semitic tv ad in history bar none targeting loyd blankfein and janet yellen and george soros. as one of the authors i said, if we do that, we're not going to be able to get the republicans on board. let's see if we can get everybody on board. we'll denounce individual people as we see fit later. >> since you co-authored it, i appreciate that explanation, the interpretation and where things stand. thank you very much. >> great to be with you. >> thank you. >> some potentially big trouble in trump land. why one of our legal experts says an indictment against trump children can be expected. why michael cohen's words can
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quite a debate over whose troubled credibility is the most believable. let's take a listen. >> in terms of who's telling the truth between michael cohen and the president, we know that the president has made probably over a thousand false statements about the russia issues. we asked michael cohen about this extensively. those transcripts will be made public. the public can evaluate his credibility themselves. >> i don't know if he lied or not. i imagine that chairman cummings will end up referring him. that's just my guess. when he says -- when chairman cummings said something like i'm going to nail you to the cross, he means it. >> joining me now is former fellow prosecutor glen kerbcon kershner. he may be referred to the doj if he lied. why does this matter and what did cohen risk by saying he never asked for a pardon? >> alex, it matters because when
we begin to work with a cooperating witness or michael cohen who i would call a quasi cooperating witness because he didn't sign an official cooperation with the prosecutors. it is important that what they begin to tell us or tell congress or tell a court is the complete truth. now i can tell you having dealt with hundreds of cooperators in my 30 years as a prosecutor, it is sometimes a challenge to convince cooperating witnesses that they need to tell the complete truth. what i try to tell everyone is, listen, the more truth you tell, the less time you'll spend in prison. if you tell a lie, even a little lie, even a lie that makes it look like the target that i'm going after is guilty, then you will spend more time in prison. so you decide. now it does look like michael cohen may have fudged on the question of whether he ever asked for a pardon because we heard his own lawyer, lanny davis say, well, at one point he did authorize me to approach the
president's defense team to explore the possibility of a pardon. so it may not be that he actually committed perjury outright, but it does look like he might be having a little bit of trouble telling the whole truth. you know, that's going to get him caught up and it could subject him to another charge of perjury before congress. i think in the context of everything we know, it's very unlikely. >> okay. what about congressman schiff who said he hopes the counsel subpoenas the president. listen to this. >> if, indeed, mr. mueller decides not to issue that subpoena or figure out how to get the president in front of the grand jury, is that going to have been a mistake? yes, i think that is a mistake. i've said all day long i don't think bob mueller should rely on written answers. the best way to get the truth is to put the president under oath. >> listen, glen, you said yesterday you believe a conspiracy indictment is coming.
that the president's children may have been involved. do you see an imminent indictment for the president's children? by the way, do you think mueller will subpoena the president? >> i still think it's unlikely he will subpoena the president because typically prosecutors don't subpoena a target of the investigation. there's a mechanism what's called the u.s.a. manual by which we can go about trying to get an exception to that policy, but i don't think it's going to happen because if he did subpoena the president and he won a subpoena battle in the court, the president would simply invoke his fifth amendment right against self-incrimination so it would all be for nauot. i think the president's children are implicated in wrongdoing. three facts for don jr. as a representative sampling of that. first of all, we already know that don jr. when offered dirt on hillary clinton by russia said i love it.
here's what people should hear in that answer. i would love to conspire with russia to undermine our free and fair elections. that's circumstantial evidence of a conspiracy between the trump campaign and russia. the second fact is they had to cover it up with a false narrative. why do you have to cover up something you've done because it's wrong and you know it's wrong? third, he testified before a congressional committee and he said, what? i really didn't know anything about the trump tower moscow deal. i might have heard about it on the periphery. there is ample evidence to come to the conclusion that that was inaccurate and probably untruthful because that trump organization was so tightly held by donald trump, donald trump jr., ivanka and eric that you don't have to be sherlock holmes to conclude that that is an untruthful bit of testimony. so i think, again, as a representative sampling don jr. alone is facing an indictment. >> wow. okay. we'll stop there for today.
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25%. a bit further behind are elizabeth warren, kamala harris and beto o'rourke. let's bring in policy strategist elena beverly, former associate director of white house affairs. ed rendell and susan dell percio. big welcome to the three of you. elena, i'll go to you first. the early polls are showing biden and sanders at the top. on the scale of political positions, one is closer to the center, one much much further to the left. what do you make of that? >> well, i think that they do have overlapping constituencies despite the fact that they are polar opposites by the -- sanders are polar opposites of the spectrum. as a former obama administration official i have to say there is so much support for uncle joe. 70% of the poll voters there in
iowa suggest that he is not too conservative, not too moderate and not too progressive. he is in that policy and political sweet spot and 64% of those voters also suggest that they are with biden and that he is getting a majority of support from all demographics. so although they are opposite spectrums, there's quite a significant amount of support for uncle joe. >> what about how republicans are reading these latest developments in this field, michael bloomberg, sherod brown saying, no, we're not going to run and still no announcement from biden or beto? >> i think there are republicans who support the president who are concerned about seeing a moderate and then there are republicans who can't get behind this president politically, like myself, who would like to see a reasonable, responsible moderate democrat. so if that could happen, that's -- you know, someone like
biden runs, that's worth noting, but i think when you look at a pole like this, alex, it's so early and yes you want to be number one but as long as you're in the top five, that's what keeps things going. right now it's name i.d. >> what did a new article titled bernie sanders style. politics are defining 2020 race, unnerving moderates. it refers to moderate democrats who recently fear that the party could fritter away the politics. how big of a risk is this in your mind, sir? how do you think the democratic party should navigate it? >> it is a significant risk because -- but the candidates say during this election period we'll all be lumped together by the republicans, particularly the trump campaign. if there's enough talk about things that are socialist, enough talk about bernie being a
democratic socialist they're going to enable the president as he did in the state of the union to say the democrats are for socialism. even if joe biden winds up being our candidate, they can make that charge and they'll have plenty of evidence for the statements made during the campaign. so i think it's very, very important that we try to define where we are. we are for the free enterprise system of government controls. that's been traditionally very moderate left of center view and it's the view that most democrats hold. i thought the 70% statistic that was quoted by one of our guests was the most relevant statistic considering that's iowa, the state that's traditionally more liberal and progressive than most states. that was an amazing statistic. >> governor, the word socialist in socialism, i have to ask you how much is there a generational divide in the interpretation of that word? i'm going to ask you because as soon as i got done with my first
show earlier in the morning, my anchor producer sitting behind me, i'm calling him out, he's a millennial. he talked about the word socialism, socialist and his interpretation thereof. i said it is a lot different from people of a certain generation who view it with incredibly negative connotation. how much do democrats need to well define what this is for fear of republicans just labeling all democrats with a socialist agenda? >> well, again, i think it's very important that we tread carefully and tell the voters what we're for. we're for a lot of things that involve greater government regulation, like raising the minimum wage to $15. that's a government regulated law, but that's necessary to bounce off some of the excesses that can happen when there's no control over a free enterprise capital in the system. i think it's important. it's interesting, the polls
don't reflect what you said. millennials wind up wanting a moderate democrat and fearing that this talk of socialism will hurt the party in the general election just as much as baby boomers do. so -- >> yeah. >> -- right now it doesn't matter. democrats care about one thing and one thing first and foremost, beating donald trump. >> all right. i want to get to another issue that's a big one, that's climate change. i'm going to have both of you, elena and susan, talk about that. at the center of this right now, jay inslee's campaign and other democrats. there's a new article titled republicans who believe in climate change seek antidote to green new deal. first to you, susan, is the republican party ready to start participating in this conversation? >> yes. republicans also believe in science. i believe in science. it's a good thing. and it tells us a lot. and it is time to see a movement
from the republicans. i got you there, governor, huh? but it's important to see the republicans move towards something to address climate change. something. it is part of your conversation. this is something that effects a lot of people. or if you're a lower kplik bracket. you're not coming and they have to start doing things to stop looking so out of touch with the rest of the country. it is political reasons. it is as serious ri as the
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it will include $100 million for trump's womens fund. i want to see how all three of you take on this. alaina, you first. >> i do think the budget deal is doa. i think he is going to get no traction with the dem kraocratsh a 5% cut. the affordable child care proposal is not enough to counter effect all of the domestic spending that is proposed by this budget. >> governor? >> i think the big offensive thing is not that. i think if we didn't have spending cuts, if we didn't have to balance a budget it's a good program. i think the worst thing is the space force to spend almost $100 million on a space force. good lord i think the only thing we should be worried abiliout w happens in space but where he brain should be. >> okay. final word to you. >> i do think that a budget can
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good day everyone. welcome to weekends. support for the i word, how it is dividing democrats and whether the mueller report will anything. >> probably the best way to is under oath ch as he made plain he feels it is perfectly fine to lie to the public. >> house intelligence committee chair on what he thinks could be the biggest mistake. and breaking up big tech, inside as she faces opposition within her own party. we begin with new developments on a question engulfing the political world. when it comes to a presidential pardon who is lying? the chair of the powerful intelligence committee revealing that they asked cohen behind
closed doors whether presidential pardon was considered. schiff was teasing the transcripts will be released soon and at the enter the president claiming cohen directly zd me for a pardon. he lied when he testified saying this. >> i have never asked for for would i accept a pardon from president trump. >> so did he lie there? we'll have to see. the country awaits the much anticipated report. ultimately it's a mistake. probably the best way to get the truth would be to put the president under oath. as he made plain in the past he feels it is perfectly fine to lie the public. maybe he should talk before magistrate. also democrats defending the sweeping request for documents
from 81 people and entities associated with the president. we also need to tell a narrative. we have a constitutional oversight responsibility to be corruption in the executive branch. this is the most corrupt presidency of our lifetimes. >> standing behind the pace and scope of the investigation surrounding the president and his inner circle. >> for two years congress didn't perform oversight. the republicans simply didn't do it despite the fact that we saw so many red flags of different crimes that could have been committed, different issues we
needed to provide oversight on. it is interesting. if there's one thing republicans and democrats can agree on at this moment it's that the word of michael cohen cannot be taken at face value. cohen's what he says can be used as the basis of an investigation and the word they keep using is it has to be cooberated. he is about to go to jail for three years and park behind the crime of lying to congress. then there's this question of did he actually ask the president for a pardon. you heard him tell congress before the house oversight committee that he never did.
he said prior to july of last year when he came on board he asked his earlier attorney, his previous attorney to look into that with the president's representatives. we are not making a case the a jury about what took place that we can rely solely on the testimony of michael cohen. >> he went onto say that the president probably told over 1,000 falsehoods. the question he wants to come back to, that he wants to cooberate. he is trying to gai it would be
distortion of the public interest. they have asking questions about the trump tower. >> it is many more thousands in terms of false. >> a member of the judiciary committee, welcome back, sir. let's start with presidential pardons here. who do you think is lying? is it the president? is it both of them and where does congress go from here on the topic? >> well, they possibly could both be lying. michael cohen has an incentive beyond just the human instinct to tell the truth. he is going to jail for lying. if he lies again before congress
he could be going to jail. he has nothing to lose. i think he wants to make a clear cut and become some what better thought of for his family's reputation. donald trump has a set up to lie because he has had a life of criminal activity corrupt activity. it has been known by new yorkers forever. new yorkers know a kind man when they see him. trump is a con man. they said he is a con man, a liar and a racist. he is a con man. he is a liar and he is a racist. he has lied about everything that goes down. he continues to lie. that's why he's attacked this mueller investigation, the justice department, the fbi, judges that didn't rule in his manner and way in the trump university lawsuit. the man is a walking lie. >> let's talk about impeachment
proceedings. impeachment is a political process that requires public support. there is a poll that was taken after michael cohen's hearing which found the support for impeachment has increased by 6 percentage points since the month of november. the biggest shift was among moderates. can you help us understand how you're gauging public support for impeachment and what your constituents are telling you about it? >> well, my constituents would want him impeached. i have a largely african american district that is probably the demographic group that sees trump for who he is. overall i think it's not nearly as strong as it is in my district. we look at polls and public reception. the big thing is lack how they are responding.
we will not be able to get a conviction and impeachment. we can't get an impeachment through the senate. if we don't do that it's an action that has merit because it will bring out a lot of the truth about what this president has done for his personal interest and what he has done to sacrifice our national interest. we will not get a conviction. it might set some people to feel the trump base will come out politically. sit a tight rope because of the politics of it. the republicans seem to always talk about the thoughts they want impeachment which makes me think it will also help them politically and the biggest result in all of this is to get rids of this cancer on the
country. nixon was a cancer on the presidency. trump is a cancer on the country. to differ he said it is the most corrupt presidency in our lifetimes. it is the most corrupt in the united states of america. >> a bit earlier we heard from adam schiff. he says it would be a mistake for special counsel to release the report. what do you think about that? do you agree? >> it would be wonderful if he would but he won't. he is not -- he lies all of the time. he told so many lies and different versions of stories his attorneys know he would perjure himself.
sit the southern district which seems to have had a lot of success getting into business records. really the new york state attorney general, she could indict him. the justice department is going under some old policy that might not be valid for our system of government. new york state no prohibited
from doing that. they have access to his foundation. hoar is man they said cannot be on a 501c3 board because he takes personal advantage of that trust and he is running the biggest in the united states government. that's what we have got to deal with. i think he has got to be -- i don't know what mr. mueller will do at the end. he should indict donald trump jr. no question in my mind that what went on was illegal. it was conspireing and with the russians. it wasn't about adoptions. that's why the president wrote the note. that was obstruction of zwrjust.
it may be a sealed indictment that comes out later. >> thanks so much. appreciate your candor. >> you're welcome. why democrats and republicans plight like the president will lay on the nation tomorrow and what will they think about the big sum of money for her pet project. t the big sy for her pet project. irritation. so, we re-imagined the razor with the new gillette skinguard. it has a unique guard between the blades. that's designed to reduce irritation during the shave. because we believe all men deserve a razor just for them. the best a man can get. gillette.
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here you need to be able to ask questions in realtime. >> chairman of the house intel committee said it would be a mistake not to subpoena the president especially in light of michael cohen's testimony in light of a pardon. jeff mason, white house correspondent. big welcome back to both of you. ? his last tweet about this topic the president wrote that cohen directly asked me for a pardon. i said no. does the white house still standby this? >> it turned into a he said she said situation. the white house has worked hard to under score the fact that cohen is not somebody people can believe. there is reason for that. we discussed it already for your show. the white house is using that and saying, look, we don't need to say much more than this.
this guy is a liar. >> has there been any effort to put president trump under circumstances where it is then prosecutable. if he does not get subpoenas or go under oath that does not happen. that's what democrats are looking at. the truth is when the president lies or tells a falsehood it's up to the public to decide whether or not they want to act on that.
if he were to lie under oath or lie directly to congress or a prosecutor that then becomes an actual crime that could be followed up on. that's why i think that's distinction to get him on the record in a way that it is actionable to them if he does lie in that circumstance. >> so how does the president respond potentially to mueller asking the president to testify under oath. we have heard both of them say at different points in this whole process i would be willing to talk about it. where does that stand? where does the truth lie now should mueller go there. >> honestly it's not a question we have been asking recently. there have been so many things. you're right to say there were times when the president was saying yeah, i would speak to him.
i would be open to that. there are times ton other hand when giuliani had made the determination they believed it would be a perjury trap to put the president in that situation. my suspicion is that is the state of play now as well. who knows if some of this would increase to give that a second try. i think all in although the president will say and the white house will say you have written answers from us. that's probably where we are going to leave it. >> he was saying that the president made over a thousand false statements. how else but through a subpoena can the truth be found? >> this is -- i feel like we keep coming back to this in a way where there are parallel things happening here that are not all the same, right? if you're talking about in a court of law what is actionable
and what is a crime, what can be admitted as evidence that's different than just say the proceedings of impeachment. if you're talking about legal fights over the subpoenas the procedure we are basically going to be in 2020 and the election here and you're making an argument of through the november election. so there are a lot of different things happening here all at the same time it is perhaps the president has made false statements in public. it is more of an argument that he is no longer reliable building a case towards an elective remedy. if you're talk about lying under oath that's where it falls.
this is all swirling together. i imagine that democrats in congress are trying to make progress on all of these avenues at once. tomorrow the white house releases the president's budget perceived as policy statements. how is this expected to land in washington? >> with a thud. probably not going land with it. it will land with fanfare but impact of a budget coming from the white house. this is not just with the trump white house it has been for some time. it comes to congress. they look at it. it is a policy document more than it is a financial document. it gives the president a chance to lay out his policy, priorities and we know this president's policy and priorities. we know there will be money in there. $8.6 billion. that's not going to change the conversation up on capitol hill. they are not all of a sudden going to come around. in general it's a chance for him
to talk about what he wants to do with a budget but it's not going to have much of an impact past that. >> how about the hundred million dollars for ivanka's womens fund? you think it will land like a thud? is it because of the president's daughter and would it be for any other reason? you know it is going for womens issues. might that have a little bit of a softer lander? >> that's one issue she tends to align with what democrats in congress wanted more than republicans. this may be one of the only issues we have sort of seen what was sort of built up is that she kind of crosses across party lines and pushes her father, the president also her boss in a bit of a different direction than perhaps this party does. she worked a fair amount with rubio who also is a little bit not out of step with this paerlt
b party but a little bit issue. it is one area you may see negotiating. it is probably doubtful we'll end up with something that he puts forward in his budget. he is absolutely right. there is a tradition in washington annually. the president would at least like to open a discussion. it can also force to use bargaining chips. if there's one area they say no no no. we'll fight to put that back. it uses up a little bit of capitol. >> okay. i will look forward to having both of you back. thank you so much. >> thanks. >> it was a stunning moment on capitol hill. revealing how she was attacked bay senior officer serving in the air force.
military sexual assault. she told an arms services committee that she was attacked early on in her career before she became the first woman to fly combat missions in the air force. >> in one case i was preyed upon and then raped by a superior officer. i was horrified how my attempt to share generally the experiences were handled. i almost separated from the air force at 18 years over my dispair. like many victims i felt the system was raping me all over again. i share the disgust of the failures and many commanders who failed in their responsibilities. >> joining me now is bridget
so to any survivors you do not have to tell your narrative to be an ally and support changes that will, you yknow, positivel impact. we need more allies to step forward. we want people to step forward to clang the laws let's listen to part of what you said. >> i no longer have any faith that the military dhan of command will prosecute, convict, sentence and carry out the sentencing of sexual predators some how. >> two months later has anything changed for you? >> no. not really. >> how about six years later? any signs of progress?
it is changes i hoped to have seen. it is something like jackie spear or any of those types of movements, no. of course the national defense act over the past six years have had changes that have come forward. if we still have women in this instance two are in power and who still feel negatively impacted even to the point of being fearful to present their case for the proper adjudication so that someone receives the proper, you know, whatever they will do to them from the
military we have people in the military who are serving and who have clearances. they are not getting clearances removed. they are being challenged with had a top secret clearance. it is against their fellow servicemen and women. they will get out with retirement and work with department of defense. we need to really seriously pay attention to this. this is absolutely a national security issue. >> you are bringing up pretty sobering points there. awfully glad you came back.
it's an important one. >> thank you. leading the democrats between liberal cliff? what does that even mean? we'll talk about it. does that n we'll talk about it. ave irritat. so, we re-imagined the razor with the new gillette skinguard. it has a unique guard between the blades. that's designed to reduce irritation during the shave. because we believe all men deserve a razor just for them. the best a man can get. gillette.
issues for democratic voters finding support for new wealth taxes and medicare for all. let's bring in msnbc contributor for the clinton campaign. democratic strategist and gop chairwoman. hi. good to see all three of you. >> good morning. let's not get into the fact that it's really early. let's try to look at what's being said with the understanding that yeah, it's early and yeah, a lot is going to change. with that said, what are your take aways from the poll? >> my first take away is this would probably convince me to jump in. i mean it's pulling first or second place. the thing i thought was very telling about this poll is that iowa caucus goers are saying we don't think we don't think joe
biden is too moderate. we think that's what he needs to be. he is running for president in an rlly state right now. does it present much more of a challenge? will he be the one that donald trump does not want to face the most? >> my personal opinion yes. i do believe that joe biden, because he is more of a moderate and if you're something who maybe is happy with president trump's policies but not so happy with his personality he seems to be less combative. he is less toxic sus because of
that reason. >> what about all of the throwing abili throwing about any of the word socialism in terms of labeling the democrats. is that something republicans feel is good for them? >> yes. because we are seeing now a huge gap between the upper class and the middle class. it is virtually disappearing. so the more it is it seems to be that is a valid scare tactic. we do actually welcome the most ir rational socialist candidate. >> how scary of a tactic is that? is it fair to be labeling the entire democratic field as if it is socialist i always look at
campaigns as a game of golf, not a game of basketball. we can't worry about what the republicans messaging is. every two years there will be another scare. whether sit the caravan or ebola or the messaging scare will be socialism. i think that the democrats path to victory will bring more voters into the process not necessarily the person fighting for the surge trump voter to get a few of them back. that's not how we win. we have to walk and chew gum. hay have sat it out over the last eight to ten years.
>> let's get to some of the proposals. he spoke about that this morning. questions and comments have been made by bernie sanders. take a listen to what he said. >> i have long believed this country should address slavery, the original sin of slavery including by looking at reparations and if i'm president then i will appoint a commissioner task force to determine the best way to do that. let me say something about sanders response there. he was also asked this question in 2016. what he said on the view i think the other day was he didn't think the best way to address this was for the united states to write a check. i don't think that the argument about writing a big check ought to be the argument that you make. if you're making a an argument that a big check needs to be written. >> is he right?
>> first of all for having the fort constitute to breathe is r word as a presidential candy dalt. i don't know if he is right or wrong. i am willi say it should not be excluded from a universar having the courage for being able to discuss it. he asset. i don't know. i don't know where i come down on that. i do just give us some kind of credit for even just being willing to have the discussion. >> let's talk about the new debate about elizabeth warren. washington governor was asked about that idea earlier.
take a look at that exchange. >> do you think that amazon is too big? do you think it should not be allowed to own whole foods or entities such as amazon marketplace? do you agree with that idea? >> i think when do you anti-trust laws you should do it for the economy, not for one company. it should be sort of rifle shots and you decide you don't like. >> wow, rifle shots. is that how you interpreted? >> no. i think what's telling here is when elizabeth warren makes a statement. when she comes out whether it is addressing jobs or waking up big banks or breaking up big tech companies she leads the way. other candidates tend to follow suit and get asked about her plans. that's where she is focusing on being the person coming up with very, you you know, sound policy
proposals. she might be going a little too extreme on some of them. i think her point is let's have this discussion and bring it back to a place where everybody can sort of agree on it. think about this. democratic primary right now is actually having the debate about the issues from the deal to jobs in the committee and health care medicare for all versus not medicare for all. we have having a debate ability the issues. if you have republicans under donald trump's presidency who are focusing are we going to build a wall or are we not? it is to see them have a discussion about the issues. we'll see more of that going forward. >> with regard to what she is saying the proposal would make markets more competitive. could help small businesses and wouldn't that reasonate with republicans? >> sure. i would think to a degree. i think it is wise to piggy back that the fact that she has been
laser focused on this issue as long -- as well as breaking up large banks that is something that is very appealing across the board to a certain degree. you know, we do have to be careful. a lot of these are employeeing the average american. we have to make sure we are not getting rid of very necessary jobs. >> that's a point well taken there. >> what about the article titled advisers urged trump -- it says for now trump's republican allies believe in early reelection strategy built around his role as chief executives will carry more weight than signature free wheeling arena
speeches. this is a huge asset for the president when he actually holds those rallies. it energizes people. that's a democrat dream to basically try to diminish his enthusiasm. zb what about the two b's? i want to ask you how long can they stay on the side lines? >> this is starting to get a little old frankly. you know, he had so much momentum. if i were him i would have considered trying to get it in january or early february. it is opposed to q2. he had a huge momentum. every day he waiting momentum starts to decline. >> i would add really quickly
that theal lenlt is starting to get snapped up. you have certain people that do this right? iowa and south car ryolina. he has to hurry up if he wants any parts to be able to join up with him. >> all right. i love these conversations. it will be my second favorite home of the day. in a moment we'll have a salute with canines and service to their country. i have one such canine coming in the studio right now. h canine cn the studio right now
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"franklin:the man behind the united states koe man doe dogs" and he brought his friend abigail with you. abigail doesn't look scary like i thought that a military dog would. >> correct. and she shouldn't. a military or any type of war dog should be just as social as they are aggressive. so if she was walking around in work mode all the time, for me she wouldn't be the right type of dog. >> so she'll know the difference of that because of her training. what all goes into the training? how do you choose which dogs make the cut? >> actually it's more genetics than training. a lot of people think of dog training that we do a whole lot for them. and actually my approach is different. i prefer to pick the right dog for the job and let the genetics do what they're supposed to do rather than trying to do a lot of training. >> look, i've seen a lot of, for example, i know she's not a german shepherd although she has a little -- >> belgium shepherd. >> we see lots of german shep perds in these military and/or police dogs. that would suggest their dna
makes them a good fit for this kind of work, but not everyone is going to be. i have a friend who is a german shepherd will lick a military dog. >> not necessarily but it could be. you saw her. she's been loved on and petted on by 20 people this morning. >> she sure has. >> she'll roll over. >> get your tummy scratched. >> the average person will say this dog won't do any bite work, but that's not actually the case. >> what do you think people don't realize about military dogs? is it a rigorous life? rigorous training? talk about their lives. >> i actually most people don't realize just what you said, they don't realize how social they can be. she is a very typical military-type of dog. she should be social. she should like people. put it in perspective of people. when you have a military person that goes to walmart, he shouldn't be in fight mode the entire time. >> yeah. >> we're here sitting here just having a conversation and no reason for her to be any -- have any aggression thoughts or actions right now.
>> just lovable and adorable. that said, when they are on mission, doing the job, they do some pretty gnarly things, don't they? >> they do. >> like what? >> so they will search out explosives. that's very important to us. and it's probably the most important thing. if we can find the explosives so we don't have military member accidentally running into it, that's probably the most benefit. >> although they're considered military members. >> right, right. >> obviously canine. >> obviously little different. then when we have same thing if we have bad guys, they can search out the bad guys. they can attack the bad guys. they can locate them and just another tool for the military members to have and hopefully keeps them a little safer. it's really their job. their job is to keep our service members safe. >> so you can tell that you and abigail have a good relationship. how important is the relationship of the dog trainer, the dog handler to the actual canine? >> it's everything. >> it's everything. >> if you don't have a bond in the training f you don't have a
bond in the handling, then you're not going to be very successful. if i leave her here and walk out ten feet -- she might stay, but she'll still be wanting to know what dad is doing. >> lastly, when they get done with their service, they get discharged from the military. what are their lives like? can they just be normal run around dogs in the yard? >> absolutely. actually i retired her dad. he lived out the last four years of his life at my house. he hung out -- just like she's doing. he played. he hung out on the porch. he would go in the house. he had a very nice retirement is what most of them do. they go out and live with somebody's family. >> listen, we thank you, jeffrey scott franklin, for talking about your book. you tell wonderful stories and ultimately for your service, sir. >> thank you. white house leaks in the one that upset the president the most and maybe abigail stick around just a little bit longer. my son forest, he was born while my husband was deployed.
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