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>> i hear her trying to lift up my grandmother in the west bank. >> real fissures in the democratic party with implication for 2020. my guests this morning, sherrod brown of ohio and liz cheney, chair of the house republican conference. plus, waiting for biden. er have sherrod brown not running. bloomberg, not running. both likely out because they are expecting joe biden to get in. >> i haven't made the final decision. don't be surprised. >> what is biden waiting for? and pardon me? did michael cohen ask president trump for a pardon? >> i have never asked for a pardon. nor would i accept a pardon. >> that's a stone-cold lie. >> i'll talk about that, the manafort sentencing and the latest on the russian investigation, with the chair of the house intelligence committee, adam schiff. joining us is kasie hunt. robert costa, moderator of "washington week." maria teresa kumar.
president of video -- voto latino. and the former republican governor of north carolina, president mcccrory. welcome to sunday, and "meet the press." >> this is "meet the press," with chuck todd. >> good sunday morning. never mind that president trump's campaign chairman is going to prison and that mr. trump and michael cohen argued this week over which one of them is lying about a possible pardon. our colleague, dana milbank at "the washington post" pointed out, that with president trump's struggles with north korea, on the trade deficit, the border wall, there's only one thing that can save him, the democrats. as he said, right on cue, here they come. democrats have spent much of the last month wrestling themselves to the ground. they were embarrassed over ralph northam had once dressed in blackface. and startled by sexual
harassment comments by northam's lieutenant governor, justin fairfax. and chronically unsure to handle a comment by omar. and emerging group of democrats is continuing into conflict with the liberals. they're united and divided. they're united about the urgency of defeating president trump next year. at the same time, they are divided, with each side seeing the other as the reason mr. trump may wind up winning after all. >> you apologized for your last remarks. how are they different? >> reporter: congresswoman omar drew criticism after tweeting that u.s. politicians support israel because it's all about the benjamins, baby. she apologized but then made this comment last week. >> let's talk about the political influence in this country that says it is okay for people to push for allegiance to a foreign country. >> jews have dual loyalty and cannot be patriotic members of the country in which they live? words matter. >> reporter: some progressives
defended omar, pointing to slurs against her. like this flyer in west virginia. >> we think that hate and racism in our country is growing, if you're jewish, lgbtq, latino, immigrants, muslim. >> reporter: house democrats united around a broad resolution condemning hate. after an official draft that rebuked anti-semitism. the issue is dividing 2020 democrats. >> i think it was right in this case to demonstrate that the house of republicans wasn't able to tolerate hateful statements. >> reporter: but top presidential candidates, while condemning anti-semitism, says that omar was unfairly targeted. the debate is exposing ideological, generational and racial divides in the democratic party. as the progressive left is showing its strength. >> it is time to break up the tech giants. >> reporter: some democrats are reluctant to embrace capitalism. >> you know, again, the labels i'm not sure any of them fit.
>> reporter: championing the green new deal. >> does the green new deal go too far? >> no. you cannot go too far on the issue of climate change. >> reporter: and calling for medicare for all. >> do you think eliminating private insurance would be a socialist idea? >> no. i strongly believe we need to have medicare for all. >> reporter: can a centrist candidate break through in a party that is shifting to the left? >> why should we elect a candidate that says, it's not possible to do everything that progressives want? >> because i'm being honest. >> reporter: this week, michael bloomberg and ohio senator, sherrod brown, said no thanks to a presidential run, with former vice president joe biden poised to jump into the race. >> i have not made the final decision. but don't be surprised. >> reporter: before his run is official, biden is explaining a decades-long record, including his role in passing the now controversial 1994 crime bill. his vote for the iraq war,
skepticism of anita hill and past comments on bussing to desegregate schools. >> i have been in this fight for a long time. i haven't always been right. i know we haven't always gotten things right. but i've always tried. >> and joining me now from cleveland, is democratic governor sherrod brown, who announced to the surprise of many, that he decided not to run for president in 2020. welcome back to "meet the press." >> good to be back. thanks. >> color us very surprised. in fact, the last time i were on, my executive producer noted he was speaking about his presidential campaign in the present tense. it seemed so imminent to us. you did surprise a lot of people. you had begun to hire some people. what changed your mind? >> as you know, chuck, this started off because i don't think democrats were talking to working-class americans of all races enough. if you love your country, you will fight for the people who make it work, we began our dignity of work tour.
in four states. we hired people to help us with the tour and to be ready. our goal was to inform the narrative in the democratic party, so that democrats talked more to workers and a number of candidates have already done that. have been talking about the dignity of work. i predict that the democratic nominee is the one that talks to workers the best. and i'm not just talking about workers in the industrial midwest. i'm talking about the physical therapists in nevada and the construction worker in new hampshire and the hospital worker in baltimore. i would predict, if i could do this, that come january 20th, 2021, that in the inaugural, when the democratic president-elect raises her or his right hand, they will launch into a speech, their inaugural speech will talk about the dignity of work. it's not just a slogan, it's who i am and what we fight for. but most importantly, it's how we govern.
>> to reinforce what you're saying, we put together a collection of folks that stole your line. take a listen. >> we have to reward and recognize the dignity of work. >> there is dignity in all work and career professionals. >> we have to give it the dignity of the work being performed. >> senator, your message, you're doing something that many presidential candidates wish could have happened to them. your initial message begins to resonate to the point that you have competitors stealing your lines. so let me ask you this. how do you not run? it was resonating and you still said no. >> it was resonating and i would say mission accomplished but i'm not done yet. i can do that better from the senate. we spent three months talking about the dignity of work. i'll continue to do that. i went to the floor after i announced i wasn't going to run and talked about civil rights and voting rights and worker rights and a supreme court that puts its thumb on the scales of justice, in favoring corporations over workers and
health insurance company over sick people and wall street over consumers. i will continue that economic populous fight, always through the eyes of workers. it's what we are as a party. i think i can drive that better from the senate than i can as one out of 15, 20 presidential candidates. >> when was the last time you talked to joe biden? >> october. >> so, you haven't talked to him recently? this wasn't him calling around, letting people know he's running? >> it was none of that. i know that that's been reported. but the people that reported that never called me, never called connie, never called sarah benzene, my chief of staff. never called my communications director. i like joe biden. i just haven't talked to him. people ask me in almost every one of the states, is joe biden getting in having an impact on your decision? and my answer was always zero. >> when people were assessing your candidacy, you were seen as one of the folks that could bridge this divide. you're a guy that figured out
how to win in the red state. but also had kept to some progressive principles. in fact, here's what you told the nation in an interview. you said, if i run, i will be the only democrat on the stage who will have voted against the iraq war, who will have voted against the defense of marriage act, which means for marriage equality, and who will be pro-choice 100% over the years. what was interesting, it was your way of saying, i'm an experienced democrat but on the progressive side of the lane in ways that other democrats, perhaps you're referring to joe biden, were not. >> i was referring to nobody in particular. i was just saying that i've been a strong progressive for years. i will carry that back to the senate. i will be part of this presidential campaign, in terms of calling out this president for his phony populism. populism is never racist or anti-semitic. populism doesn't divide people. populism don't give tax cuts to the richest people of the country and try to cut medicare
and head start. i will point out how this president has betrayed the auto workers and hospital workers. i will continue to make that case from the floor of the senate, from travels around the country, by not yet supporting any presidential candidate but moving the debate forward about dignity of work. >> let me ask you this -- is there a danger of going too far to the left that it might scare some voters, say, in ohio? >> i hear the stories that are, that's the story of the day, about democrats moving to the left. i think the more important story up is how republicans continue to move to the right, how president trump extols -- betrays workers and utters racist, anti-semitic rhetoric. nobody in their party calls them out. they don't have divisions. they've followed his racist actions and betrayal of workers. they follow it like lemmings off the cliff. that's the story, not some degrees of differences between and among democrats. that's the real story. >> let me ask you this. what is fair game?
you in that interview said, in 1996, when it wasn't a popular thing to do, you voted against the defense of marriage act, for instance. joe biden has comments about bussing and desegregation of schools that are popping up, quotes from him in the '70s. you can make the argument that was the mainstream democratic party position, perhaps, in the '70s. should those comments matter to voters in iowa, to democrats in iowa in the 21st century? >> it doesn't matter what sherrod brown thinks about the matters to voters in iowa? >> does it matter to you? >> records matter to me. the candidate that is talking -- i go back to, what are they going to do about talking to workers and the dignity of work. i want to see dignity of work, not just part of this campaign, not just a slogan, not just what the candidates talk about, i want to make sure they govern based on the dignity of work. regardless of the work you do,
it's about wages or benefits. workplace safety, about child care, in the nevada -- in the culinary workers union hall in las vegas, connie and i were there three or four weeks ago, their slogan is, one job should be enough. i want to hear workers start talking about that, that one living wage job should be enough. with health care, with retirement, with child care, with safety in the workplace. that's everything, to me in this race. that's a winning message and it's the way we should govern, starting in 2021. >> i'm going to close with the same question i asked you at the beginning. i didn't hear an answer why you didn't run. is it simply, you didn't want to do it? >> i think we were successful in moving forward as we have. i -- i was talking to some people about this. you can run in three different ways. you can run as eeior, i didn't want to do do that or be the
angry candidate, i didn't want to do that. or you can run as an optimist, joyful candidate, the way i do my job in the senate. i think i can do that better in the senate, in continuing to perform this presidential choice. >> you're saying you can't run for president joyfully. that's what i just heard. sorry. >> i think i can do it better in the senate. >> fair enough. leave it at that, chuck. >> senator sherrod brown. >> it's always joyful being on your show. >> that, i appreciate. it's sunday morning, cup of coffee and you sprung forward. that i appreciate. >> even when the time changes and you make me get up an hour earlier. >> senator -- >> and you broadcast it later and people don't know how early we got up. >> you an your ohio colleague, john kasich, you guys know how to talk to your ohio voters. thank you, sir. much appreciated. joining me now is the chair of the house republican conference, congresswoman liz cheney. i want to start with what happened in the house this week. it was a bit of a surprise. you voted against this broad
resolution. and while your criticism of the resolution, i totally understand. but you were in the minority of your party. did your fellow house republicans make a mistake by voting with the democrats on this resolution? >> no. i think there were two ways we could have gone. some of the people in our conference looked at it and said, there's nothing objectionable in the resolution. my statement made clear that that was my view as well. i decided to vote against it because i think it was an effort protect ilhan omar, to cover up her bigotry and anti-semitism by refusing to name her. the democrats have yet to take any action to remove her from her committee. and they have a real problem. the extent to which they are abiding by anti-semitism, enabling anti-semitism in their party is something they struggle with. but sometimes it's very dangerous for the company. i'm hopeful they will be able to stand up and do the right thing on this. >> there was some criticism, some people were peeved at cheney, meaning you. thinking that among most top
republicans are this. when you're a leadership team, you stick together. the criticism being, since you're a member of leadership, you should have spoken with one voice. >> i think, you know how the hill works. those anonymous sources that are out there sniping. the important thing for us to be focused on and remember, the democrats have been in charge for about 2 1/2 months in the house. in that time, they've been the party of anti-semitism, the party of infanticide, the party of socialism. they passed legislation that violated the first and the second amendment. it's really time for the democrats, the leadership in that party, to stop it, to stand up and to act worthy, frankly, of the trust the american people have placed in them. it's crucial for the nation. >> i want to unpack a couple things. first, on the issue of -- you think congressman omar should lose her committee assignments. you fought for steve king to be stripped of his committee assignments. why should congressional leaders do this? if the voters send these folks -- the voters in western iowa know steve king. for better or worse. and the voters in minnesota knew her comments were very much
well-publicized. if they send them there, should congressional leaders really be telling -- be stripping, not allowing them on committees? >> the point is, voters send them there. nobody is saying we're going to expel them. we respect the decisions that the voters have made. but there are certain things that shouldn't be part of the public discourse. white supremacy is one of those. and anti-semitism, the history of what happens when you don't stand up to the evil, the history of how quickly words turn into something more horrible when it comes to anti-semitism. as a nation, we must, at all times, stand up to it. and the kind of anti-semitism that you're seeing from ilhan omar and being supported by her colleagues is a kind of anti-semitism that can creep in and being normalized in our discourse and we have an obligation not to let that happen. >> there is an anti-semitism that has crept in. look at george soros. the republican attacks over george soros. and kevin mccarthy had to pull
one tweet that he was trying to buy this or buy that. that's gotten mainstreamed to the point that george soros said that some guy was trying to pipe bomb him. this what aboutism, where everybody tries to point to the other side -- >> chuck, chuck -- >> and it's getting -- >> the what aboutism should not go on. and everyone, including leader mccarthy has stood up firmly to condemn anti-semitism. the thing that people need to be focused on is the democrats in the house of representatives and some of the democrats themselves, are completely frustrated with the fact that the leadership is -- they are protecting her. this isn't just being silent. they are protecting her, by failing to put a resolution on the floor that names her and that strips her of her committee assignment. instead, they put a resolution on the floor that she said this is a tremendous victory for me. now, if we are not going to be in a position where you say the kind of language that she has said, again and again and again, is absolutely unacceptable and has no place in our discourse,
then those people who won't condemn it are enabling it. >> there was concern by singling her out, you only make a target and they pointed to the west virginia republican party flyer. >> chuck, i'm sorry -- >> but my point is we're getting -- >> you can describe it that way, chuck. >> we're getting in a dangerous way if we do this. >> but you are wrong. you have a situation in this country and around the world where we've seen the global rise of anti-semitic attacks, you have the kind of attacks we had on the synagogue here in the united states recently. that's a motive -- >> that was motivated by fringe ideology. >> anti-semitic, no matter where it comes from, is wrong. when you're in a situation where you are an elected official, we have the history that we have, what happens when you don't stand up and say this is evil, and call it what it is. we have an obligation to do that. and i think it is shameful that nancy pelosi and leader hoyer and democratic leaders will not put her name in the resolution
on the floor and condemn her remarks and remove her from the house foreign -- >> you feel that president trump has done enough to tamp down the right-wing fringe anti-semitism that's coming up? >> i don't believe it's right or left. this is an issue where we should all come together, the president, the vice president, the senate, the house, no matter what your party is. stand up and say in today's word, when anti-semitism is on the rise, when we have the history that we have and we know what happens when people remain silent, every single one of us must at all times stand against it. >> there's a couple foreign policy headlines. this was the president on friday about north korea. >> i have a feeling that our relationship with north korea, kim jong-un and myself, chairman kim, i think it's a good one. and i think it remains good. i would be surprised in a negative way if he did anything that was not per our understanding. >> this is what we learned this week. he's accelerating the rocket program again. he's enriched more uranium between the two summits.
and more importantly, they were reconstituting the programs while the summit -- second summit was taking place. the president there. you can't take him at his word on this, can you? >> we have watched kim jong-un and his father and his grandfather operate the same way, now, for decades. and i would say that republican and democratic administrations got taken by him. i hope this president won't. i think that, you know, their efforts are absolutely clear. >> hasn't he gotten more out of this president by getting respect on the world stage? >> i think the fact that the president walked away from the summit in vietnam is a positive thing. that was the right thing to do. we don't want a bad deal. it makes us less safe. >> before i let you go, the president's going to roll out a budget and there's something in this that's going to be quite alarming to some allies. the president will advocate, perhaps, where we have troops overseas, think japan, south korea, germany, he's going to ask for cost-plus 50. essentially tax countries over and above where we have bases.
what does that do to the diplomacy for this country? >> i think it would be absolutely devastating. we benefit tremendously. if you look at the last 70 years, we are able to benefit from the perspective of freedom, prosperity, and safety because of the bases and our cooperation with the allies. the notion that we're going to charge them cost plus 50 is wrong headed and it would be damaging to the nation. >> you think your republican party will support this? >> i won't. >> but the party might? >> well, i think it's going to be very important for us to make sure that people understand the danger that will do to our relationships and to our fundamental security. our security, we've been able to protect it because of our alliances and because we have been able to work with countries. we should not look at this that we need to charge them rent for the privilege of having our forces there because that does >> congresswoman liz cheney, thank you for coming on. >> good to see you. when we come back, democrats are going through the same growing pains republicans did when the tea party emerged. it's hard to keep competing factions happy. and the waiting for biden campaign.
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welcome back. panel is here. pat mccrory, the foreman governor of north carolina. maria teresa kumar, president of voto latino. kasie hunt. capitol hill news correspondent. and robert costa, the moderator of "washington week" on pbs. kasie, let's unpack the hill before we get to the presidential race. the hill debate is going to animate the presidential race. let me play nancy pelosi on omar from friday. >> the incident that happened was, i don't think our colleague is anti-semitic. i think she has a different experience in the use of words, doesn't understand that some of them are fraught with meaning that she didn't realize. but nonetheless, that we had to address. >> i will say this, speaker pelosi has given me my new favorite excuse, she has a different experience with the
use of words. that is easily one of my favorite new phrases. this is not easy. >> it's not easy, chuck. one thing if you speak with members of the democratic party, who are frustrated how their party handled this. there are jewish and non-jewish democrats that are frankly upset that this resolution was as broad as it was. they'll say this is the third time this has happened. you know, she's used -- she said israel was hypnotizing the world in a tweet before she was in office. she had the benjamins tweet that you showed the audience at the top of the show. now, she has this. every single time she has pled ignorance of these tropes. but you know they're tropes for a reason. she's picking up on language that is anti-semitic, quite frankly. i think nancy pelosi is doing what she has very carefully done, since this new caucus has come together, which is try to very carefully thread that needle and try to sew these two very dispirit generations together and it's getting harder.
>> but there's only so much speaker pelosi can do. i met with house democrats, seasoned veterans over the last week. they said in this day and age of social media, where someone like representative omar or ocasio-cortez can have millions of followers, the old rules don't apply. and so, speaker pelosi may try to cobble together legislation, to send a message to voters. but the people who have political capital inside this party, are those with a social media following. >> okay. if you get off social media, the world looks normal. >> fairly different. >> but if you live on social media -- i mean, i don't mean to carry this over. the nba is having a problem. its players are making all this money and they're depressed all the time because they live on social media and feel every negative comment and live all of it. that's what is happening to this younger generation. >> and part of it, too, is you don't know who is tweeting you. are they bots or real people? when it comes to basically feeling this. and the challenge is, president trump has really done a fantastic job, communicating to a broader audience based on his tweets. and it's toe-to-toe with a
generation that expects they're going to have their breaking news, not on "the new york times," but through a tweet. you don't know how to have the accurate literacy is this actually literate? that's a challenge. >> as a former mayor and governor, i thought that resolutions without actions were empty gestures. and this resolution was an empty gesture, which tried to please everyone and ended up pleasing no one. but the problem for the democrats, with these new millennials, i call them the aoc millennials, not only do they think they have the answers, they think they already have wisdom. and the nancy pelosi's of the world have wisdom. and they are trying to explain to the younger people, wait, i'm the old person. and you cannot make that argument. >> are you sure? bring it on. here you go. bring it on. >> honestly, i think the leaders can learn something from the newer -- i take your point that, you know, they have not had the kind of experience in government and i think to a certain extent,
there are going to be consequences for some of the actions they take on social media, in the universe of trying to get things done. but on the other hand, i think the old guard doesn't really understand the power of what they bring. >> by the way, guys, i want to insert somebody into here really quickly. first of all, "the times" set it up really well. "the times" said, this is a debate in the democratic party. do americans pine for a pre-trump equilibrium? or do the yawning disparities of these times call out for a more transformational administration? >> that. absolutely that. >> now, listen to aoc yesterday. listen to this. >> moderate is not a stance. it's just an attitude toward life of, like -- the meh is like worshiped now for what? >> i rest my case. brought out the aoc millennials against the traditional liberal democrats. that was amazon. cuomo, one
ever had, gave tax breaks to a major multibillion dollar company and aoc fought it. she said, we can spend that $2 billion elsewhere. the $2 billion didn't exist. she didn't have the knowledge necessary of the economy. now, philosophy, that's a good argument. that's also showing the division in the democratic party. >> i think that what millennials are feeling is they are feeling from their experience. they know that something is off. they know their experience that they're going to have a guaranteed brighter future than their parents is not going to happen. >> it's broken. >> it's broken. >> the compact is broken. it used to be if you worked hard and you followed the ethics of your parents, you would end up working for a company that would take care of you for a long time. that's not the case anymore. it is simply not the case. >> it's bigger than age. the point representative cortez is making, is that the democratic party needs to move to the left. you look at this 2020 presidential race, where is the energy? fund-raising, bernie sanders.
ihis upper 70s. yet, he's the runner-up from '16 and he's saying to people like the representative of new york, i'm your type of candidate. i'm not a meh candidate, to use her term. >> it takes two 75-plus-year-old guys to have an argument between this generational argument here. are they place holders for now until the younger generation gets more grass roots support? >> i think that everybody is waiting in the wings in large part because they are waiting for beto to announce. unlike all of the other democrats that are trying to move as far to the left to say yeah, i'm your person, he has not necessarily said that he is. and he's more palatable to the independents. and he's done that in an interesting way. if you ask him where his policies are, they're not on the left. >> all things to all people. >> if there's a criticism on beto, you don't know where he stands on a lot of things. if you read his interviews. >> all of the left-wing stances, the green plan, where the millennials realize they have to have energy and power at an
affordable price, they will find out that energy is not cheap. you need energy to survive. and the reality is going to wake them up some time. >> this is a conversation that needs more time. and i'm going to give it more time. when we come back, president trump says michael cohen is lying about asking for a pardon. cohen says it's mr. trump who is lying. all right. what does adam schiff think because michael cohen has lied to him, too. the chairman of the house intelligence committee joins me next. ee joins me next new olay clay stick masks, hydrating facial mist, and brightening eye cream. only by olay.
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welcome back. this was a week in which we saw president trump's former campaign chairman paul manafort get sentenced to prison. think about that for a moment. the man who made sure donald trump secured the domination for the presidency, was sentenced to 47 months in prison with sentencing in another case coming this week. we saw mr. trump and cohen call each other a liar, over whether cohen sought a pardon from the president. a lot to chew on. we're going to turn to adam schiff, who joins me from los angeles. and on spring-forward day i'm grateful for you getting up that hour earlier.
congressman schiff, welcome back to "meet the press," sir. >> thank you. >> let me start with a basic question here. who is lying? when it comes to michael cohen asked for a pardon. and did michael cohen lie to congress again? >> well, the central question of our investigation is, why did michael cohen lie before our committee about moscow trump tower? why would this be in his interest? was this something that he did alone or were there others involved in it? and there are reasons to believe that this was not a lone decision on michael cohen. what we are looking for is corroborative evidence. and the reason why this whole moscow trump tower issue is so central to our investigation is, that it explains or potentially explains the president's bizarre affinity for vladimir putin. and that is, he stood to make more money from this transaction than any deal in his life. and sought the kremlin's help to make this happen while concealing this from the public. that may be an animated
principle for the president. he may believe that when he leaves office, he still wants to build this tower. and while that may not be criminal, it is nonetheless corrupt and distorts our policies. that is certainly the central question for us. in terms of who is telling the truth between michael cohen and the president, we know that the president has made probably over 1,000 false statements about the russia issues. and here, we're going to have to find what corroboration we can to find out where the truth lies. >> is it safe to say you can't take michael cohen on his word on anything? >> i don't think in terms of making the case to the public -- and here, we're not making the case to a jury about what took place on that weekend and rely solely on the testimony of michael cohen. we're going to need corroboration. looking at what michael cohen said in the open hearing and what his lawyer said afterwards, it was like what donald trump did when he said he had no knowledge of the payments to stormy daniels. and rudy giuliani said, oh, yes, he did.
where is the truth there? we asked michael cohen about this extensively. those transcripts will be made the public can evaluate his credibility themselves. >> you know, it looks like we don't know this for sure, but it looks like robert mueller will complete his investigation without subpoenaing the president before the grand jury or coming up with a way to have him interviewed before the grand jury. president clinton went before ken starr's grand jury. if, indeed, mr. mueller decides not to issue that subpoena or figure out how to get the president in front of that grand jury, is that going to have been a mistake, considering we have so many questions about who's testimony should you believe? michael cohen's or donald trump's? >> yes, i think it is a mistake. i said all along that i don't think bob mueller should rely on written answers. when you get written answers from a witness, it's really the lawyers' answers as much as the client's answer. you need to be able to ask follow-up questions in realtime.
but i think the constraint that bob mueller is operating under, he had an acting attorney general who was appointed because he would be hostile to a subpoena on the president. and now, he has a permanent attorney general who was chosen for the same hostility to his investigation, who would likely oppose that step. i also think the special counsel feels some time pressure to conclude his work and knowing the white house a mistake because probably the best way to get the truth would be to put the president under oath. as he's made plain in the past, he feels it's fine to lie to the public after all he has said, it's not like i'm talking before a magistrate. maybe he should talk before a image straight. >> i want to move to something that was a bit confusing. erik prince, the brother of the secretary of education, but also has been before your committee, having to do with some odd
meetings he set up in the seychelles. he was on al-jazeera and he was asked about some testimony to your committee and about whether he lied or not. take a listen. >> we're there to talk about iran policy. >> there to talk about iran policy? isn't that important to disclose to the house committee under oath? >> i did. >> there's no mention of the trump tower meeting in 2016. why not? >> i don't know if they got the transcript wrong. >> so, this was about another meeting that erik prince had, i believe with some other representatives of other countries, in trump tower, the second so-called trump tower meeting of less significance, not with russians but with other foreign countries. based on what you heard there, is mr. prince telling the truth? is your transcript wrong? >> he's not telling the truth on that interview. there is something wrong with our transcript. there was nothing wrong with the reporter who transcribed his testimony. he did not disclose that meeting to our committee. and as you can see from the published transcript of his interview, he was asked what kind of role he played, if any,
in the campaign, and he said he had no role, apart from on his own submitting written papers, hanging a yard sign or making a contribution. and he was also asked about any substantive policy conversations that he might have had. so, his interview was certainly looks inconsistent with his testimony. bob mueller has that testimony already. and bob mueller will have to make the decision about whether that rises to the level of deliberate falsehood. we had questions at the time of his testimony about his candor and how forthcoming he was and those questions have been heightened now. >> what is your concern about what he was doing? >> the concern is that this is another concealed meeting. another discussion that took place in the context of the meeting that he had in the seychelles. there have been persistent questions about whether the uae was playing a back channel role to the russians during the campaign. and those were a lot of the
questions that we were asking him about. clearly, this meeting at trump tower with these players, was of direct interest to our committee. so, why conceal it? why withhold that information if there was nothing improper, no improper purpose in it? there are a lot of deeply concerning and unanswered questions surrounding erik prince and his involvement with the campaign. >> all right. adam schiff, i will leave it there. the democratic lead on the house intelligence committee, the chairman. thanks very much for coming on, getting up early and sharing your views with us this morning. >> thank you. when we come back, the state the democrats have on their minds for 2020. could it be the game changer that gets them over 270?
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pickup. it's not texas. it's not arizona. but georgia. that's right. a state that hasn't voted for a democrat for president since bill clinton in 1992. let's look to cobb county, what a suburb of atlanta. newt gingrich represented and the rapidly changing politics in the last few years. in 2012, cobb county voted for republican mitt romney for president for a whopping 12 points. four years later it swung to hillary clinton and she won the county by two points. before you say, that's just a donald trump anomaly, realize that this past november, stacey abrams, the democratic candidate for governor won cobb county by nearly ten points. so a 22 point swing in just six years. what's going on? we went down to cobb county to figure it out. >> it's changing in cobb county. it was once more republicans. now, we have a lot of move-ins and it's getting a mixture now. georgia is becoming a mixture. you know?
i sort of like the republican part of it. >> it's true. cobb county has seen a ton of people move in the last few years. between 2010 and 2017, cobb county's population grew 9.8%, outpacing growth in georgia as a whole. in that same time, cobb county has grown more diverse. with increases to the african-american and hispanic populations. more residents have college degrees and median household income has gone from $66,000 to $72,000 per year. the more telling data may be where the transplants to cobb county are coming from. of the top 20 counties that people move to cobb from, since 2012, 13 are from outside the state of georgia. and 15 of those counties voted for hillary clinton, including queens, new york, l.a. county and miami-dade. this is just cobb county, of course. but you can see a lot of the changes in the other suburban counties, where the vote has also swung towards the democrats in and around atlanta.
so, is georgia ready to be a swing state again? >> the younger crowd is definitely going to go towards this. >> i have no doubt that a progressive candidate can win statewide. >> i think georgia has been a swing state before. i think it's moving towards that way again. >> i can't imagine not being a red state. i really can't. >> we'll find out soon enough. coming up, paul manafort, a controversial sentence and that claim that he's lived an otherwise blameless life. arthri, month after month, the clock is ticking on irreversible joint damage. ongoing pain and stiffness are signs of joint erosion. humira can help stop the clock. prescribed for 15 years, humira targets and blocks a source of inflammation that contributes to joint pain and irreversible damage. vo: humira can lower your ability to fight infections. serious and sometimes fatal infections including tuberculosis, and cancers, including lymphoma, have happened, as have blood, liver, and nervous system problems,
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protect, connect back, now with end game. des moines register with the democratic divide. we should hurry up and get a poll in here. let me put up the des moines register poll. meaningful and m at the same time. we see who the top two candidates are, biden and sanders. warren at 9, and harris at 7, right below harris is beto at 5. booker and klobuchar, over 1%. what is telling there, you can tell that buzz is everything. bernie's numbers went up six points from the last time. and what is the ditchfference between this time and the last time? bernie is in the middle of an announcement tour. >> and sanders is running as a movement politician. he's gotten rid of his consultants. he's built a movement from his 2016 campaign. and senator warren has a
message. break up the big companies, go after tech. it's a crowded space on that left side of the democratic party. >> you know, chuck, one of the most interesting things in that poll, if you look at the numbers for biden, the biggest chunk of them, if you ask who the second choice is, the answer is bernie sanders, which is pretty remarkable. i do think -- >> i thought so, too. they're the mainstream of the party, the two of them together. >> potentially, yes. and bernie sanders' fund-raising means that he is going to be a factor. he has a core of supporters. i'm not sure it's big enough to win him big states. but if he polls 20%, 25% consistently, he will have the money to go the distance. mark my words, you will see him at the convention. >> bernie sanders is one of the few people, he never stops campaigning. he does facebook lives where he has 30,000 people watching and following him. he really appeals to young voters. for the very first time young voters are going to outweigh, potentially, the millennials -- excuse me, the baby boomers.
they will have more eligible voters. >> therefore, i would like to apologize and do a resolution, based on what i said about the millennials. i would like to say this, the more the candidates get out, we'll see trump numbers go up because there's going to be a comparison. it's already happening. and the more congressman schiff talks about investigations, and continuing these investigations, after the mueller report, i think trump numbers will go up. i think the democrats are going to put trump in office. >> speaking of the president, i want to play what he said about paul manafort because there's a part of the empathy i really don't get when it comes to become the sitting president of the united states. take a listen. >> i feel very badly for paul manafort. i think it's been a very, very tough time for him. but if you notice, both his lawyer, a highly respected man, and a highly respected judge, the judge, said there was no collusion with russia. >> well, the judge did not say that, though the judge did say this about manafort, i think this sentencing range is
excessive. he's been a good friend to others. what i don't understand is why the president is praising and feeling sorry for a man who defrauded american taxpayers for at least $6 million. >> you know who else wonders that? many trump advisers. they wish the president would be quiet about paul manafort. they wish judge ellis of alexandria would be their spokesman. >> could have been. >> he is making the best case for this administration. the deputy chief of staff out as the communications head. the president going on and on, talking about possible pardons. they wish all of that would just be noise. it's tell lis case, diminishing the mueller probe. that's what the white house wants. >> there's a video right now, of a whale almost swallowing a person swimming in the ocean. and he spits him out. trump needs to spit manafort out. and the chairman of the intelligence committee needs to get rid of cohen. stay away from both of them. they're not good for either party.
>> i think we need to clarify that what he was getting sentenced for was russian collusion. >> it was ripping off the american government of 30 years of lobbying. >> one of the conversations that people are having is how unjust the sentence was for this crime. if we look at this judge, this judge threw the book at representative jefferson from louisiana. >> an african-american democrat from new orleans. >> he was found to have embezzled $400,000. >> the freezer casual. >> the freezer cash. >> it was so much lower than what paul manafort is dealing with. >> is there a justice when it comes to white collar crime. he was teetering on treason when it comes to this. was that fair? that's where we have to unpack the sentence that he was given. >> there's more sentencing coming for mr. manafort. the spinal tap drummer commission at the white house -- i mean the communications director position at the white house -- >> there's some insight.
i love it. >> he brought up bill shine. >> you want to be the communication director? >> what does this mean, kasie? >> to bob's earlier point, we're going to see more of the same. you know, i certainly wouldn't want to be the person that needs to tell the president of the united states how to communicate with the american people. good luck. he's been doing it his entire life. >> how much did "the new yorker" piece have to do with shine's release? >> the president was frustrated with bill shine, not bringing the fox news expertise. most revealing of the most recent weeks, president trump at cpac, two hours. >> volume at 11 for president trump during the speech. >> that's all i have for today. thank you for watching. thank you for springing forward with us. we'll be back next week because if it's sunday, no matter the hour, it's "meet the press." i've always been amazed by what's next.
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welcome to "kasie dc." i'm kasie hunt. we're live every sunday from washington from 7:00 to 9:00 p.m. eastern. breaking tonight, fallout from ill ilhan omar's comments on twitter. plus, paul manafort sentenced, michael cohen's credibility questioned as he sues his former boss and much of the president's campaign team back in court. and later i'm joined