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president trump renews his fight for his border wall again, asking congress for more than $8 billion to pay for it. more on what seems to be the first look at the president's road map to reelection. plane crash. some countries around the world ground certain boeing planes after an ethiopian airline jet crashes, killing everyone on board, including eight americans. it's the second accident that type of plane in less than six months. so does it have a safety flaw? and early attack. republicans already going after texas congressman beto o'rourke before he announced he's running. what could have them so worried? lots to get to. we start with president trump and that border wall budget battle yet again. with the white house briefing reporters about all of this as we speak. look on the right side of your screen, the documents themselves delivered to capitol hill earlier this morning. as anybody will tell you, the annual requests are wish lists, right, more than anything else. democrats are already calling it doa, with even some republicans rejecting parts of this plan.
so why does it matter to you? because of this. the wall fight. the president demanding more than $8 billion for it, on top of the $8 billion he hopes to get from his national emergency. this is a re-election pitch. president trump basically saying, hey, the reason you should re-elect me is these are great, frankly, rosy predictions for the economy. with fears of another shutdown, what does this mean for the country's bottom line? we have a lot to get to. let's get to geoff bennett at the white house and garrett h k haake on capitol hill. let's talk about the pr pitch on this. in past presidencies, you often see the commander in chief going out, trying to sell his budget plan, even though everybody knows it is not going to go anywhere politically. >> reporter: right. look, for donald trump, retail politics has never been his thing, right? the view from the white house is that the president is selling his vision for america in tweet after tweet, in speech after speech, and even in this new budget request, by way of the
fact that he hasn't given up his fight over the border wall. publicly, white house officials say they think they win on the merits. they think this wall constitutes good policy. privately though, they say it is good politics. the president needs to energize his base and his base of conservative commentators who the president, we know, cares so much about. here are some of the other highlights in the budget request. $8.6 billion in wall funding. it calls for eliminating the deficit in 15 years, not the customary 10 years. he has the positive growth estimates that calls for slashing most domestic funding. these are deeper cuts than any administration has ever planned, according to the omb. they're going to cut domestic funding while boosting defense spending. you also see some olive branches in there, too. more money for infrastructure pending and a blueprint to bring down the cost of prescription drug prices. now, earlier, larry kudlow, the president's economic adviser, was asked about the consequences of this white house going back to the well for border wall funding. here's what he said.
>> so there's going to be another budget fight over the wall? >> well, i suppose there will be. we have a crisis down there. i think the president has made that case very effectively. so, yes, he's going to stay with his wall, and he's going to stay with the border security theme. i think it is essential. >> reporter: the white house signaling president trump is sticking with the border wall as his re-election bid gets underway, hallie. >> geoff bennett on the white house lawn. okay. democrats don't like this. more surprising, republicans, some of them, don't dig it either, right, garrett? >> reporter: that's right. the broad reaction on capitol hill is a shoulder shrug. this is not a document that will become law. it is not saying it is not important. it is a statement of values, what the administration believes. it is not something we can dismiss outright. the $8.6 billion wall request is a matador's red cape. it is a signal to start the fight with democrats. that's a big number. on the republican side, there
are things that i think republicans liked in this and some have disliked. the idea of balancing the budget here, which is probably also not going to happen, is music to the ears of the few remaining fiscal hawks up here. the deficit has been a forgotten issue over the last year and a half and in the last congress. some of these domestic cuts across the board will be troubling even to republicans. if we put the graphic up on your screen, one of the biggest numbers here is the cut to the state department. that's the kind of thing that has troubled traditional republicans in the past. they want to see some of these agencies, particularly state, which is an arm of national security when you think about it, funded to the appropriate level. remember, all the fights with rex tillerson about this issue. there are warning signs here for both parties. the bottom line remains, members of congress will sit down and put together their own budget proposals. with divided government, it is less likely than it was in the last two years that the president's budget requests will become reality. it is worth noting, for members of both parties, the direction
this budget signals the president wants to go. >> that is for sure. garrett haake conducting the control room graphics like a maestro. thank you. geoff bennett, thank you, as well. i have kimberly atkins joining us on set. senior correspondent. robert costa, political analyst and reporter for the "washington post" is with us, as well. great to see you. i'll start with you because you have a good read on where republicans' heads are at. what are you hearing behind the scenes as it relates to this request the president is putting in? >> the real tensions are not so much over the budget because they know that budget proposal will likely go nowhere. democrats control the house. it is really about the national emergency declaration, what's going to happen with senate republicans, people up in 2020, like senator tillis, remain on edge. behind the scenes, the white house is trying to reassure them and pull them toward supposing that proposal. >> bob, we know the white house is focused on the border this week. when you talk about things that matter, et cetera, the president
is going to veto that, even if, for example, it were to pass congress, right? >> that is the line from the white house at the moment. what they're trying to figure out behind the scenes is could senate republicans have a supplemental piece of legislation that gives republicans an out, even if they formally oppose the president's declaration, can they do something to support board rder funding, support the border wall? can they figure this out politically and ledge lgislatil. so those up in a red or purple state feel comfortable with moving forward in 2020. >> this is all about the wall and the fight over the wall. garrett put it, i think, as it's the red cape waving in front of not just the president's face but in front of democrats. from my sources in the west wing, they're down for a fight, spoiling for one. >> they are. this is a perfect tool to have the fight. it is not just about laying out the president's priorities. it is very much about 2020. donald trump is gearing up to make the wall a central theme in
his re-election campaign and really pushing democrats on this issue. remember, the budget, yes, no presidential budget is meant to pass and move forward. but the government, congress and the white house, has to get a spending bill by september. what else is coming up in september? the big fight over the debt ceiling. it could end up being quite explosive. pushing for a border wall at a time that the united states needs to figure out how not to default on its loans. >> is it too early to think about concerns about another shutdown? >> no. it's never -- >> okay, cool. optimistic, thank you. >> never. concerns about a shutdown is a constant theme in washington. that's certainly something we might see again. the president, i think, didn't see that shutdown as a loss. >> bob, the other interesting piece about this, one of the other interesting pieces about this is the idea that the trump administration, as they have from the beginning, takes a rosy view of economic growth and where the economy is going the go. built into this is a 3.2% gdp
growth. not every year, from our understanding, but that's their baseline. listen, cbo, j.p. morgan, they don't see that optimistic prediction, right? is the white house walking on a danger line here? >> the white house is in a difficult position. broadly, they're trying to sell that the economy is strong and that it is doing well, despite the most recent jobs report that showed a hiring slowdown last month. they're facing challenges on trade and all the economic turbulen turbulence. will all this economic news prompt the president to try to strike a deal with china on trade, to maybe we assure the markets this trade war is falling off? >> kimberly? >> yeah, i mean, i think that's exactly right. you have the president using the economy, the strength of jobs, as the central part of his claim that he's had a successful presidency. now, this really below expectations job report can be a blip. you can't make a trend out of
one report, but it'll be much more difficult to make this claim that, look, we have this amazing growth. this is a big factor in the success of the country. >> let me talk about a couple other things that are sort of in the discussion, ether related with the trump administration. one is the axios reporting that president trump in front of donors at mar-a-lago said democrats hate jewish people. he apparently made a joke about blackface, referring to agents wearing night vision goggles. the president basically said publicly on friday, right, he said, democrats are anti-semitic. they're anti-jewish. this is a line he's repeating behind closed doors. why do you think the west wing sees this, at least the president sees this as a policicpolicic politically advantageous argue snmt. >> they see a divide.
the israel debate, separating the ranks. in the past, dealing with republicans who embraced ideas of white nationalism. we've had to talk down to congressman king of iowa, chastise him from the leadership level. there's been criticism of how republicans talked about jewish financiers, like george sorros. republicans are making these claims against democrats because they want to try to win over people who are supportive of israel. >> yeah, i think that's exactly right. look, we saw laura ingraham at cpac, instruct republicans, if you're called a racist or bigot, call the other person bigots, too. it seems on the way to go, as bob correctly pointed out. the republicans have a very long history of this. we have a president joking about blackface because blackface is hilarious, right? we're going to see -- >> fact check, it's not. >> this white house continues to throw that back on the democrats as a political move.
>> on a slightly lighter note, bob, when you talk about the president and his messaging, the idea of what he's focused on this morning, he, like many of us, may be feeling tired because of daylight saving time. he is tweeting, saying he wants to make it permanent. you have senator marco rubio tweeting back, like hey, i have a bill to do this. what is your read? is this like the annual, let's complain about losing an hour of sleep situation, or is this going to go somewhere? >> my read as a reporter is it is a distraction. this is a president who is trying to connect with the culture. this has nothing to do with american public policy. polit polit politicians seize on the issues to connect with voters, but it doesn't matter long term. >> on that, we will end. bob costas, thank ykocosta, tha. kimberly atkins, thank you. we'll talk about the plane crash and safety concerns after another boeing 737 max 8 crashes, killing everyone on board. plus, key players.
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there was not a single survivor on the ethiopian airlines flight. it crashed just minutes after take-off, with 157 people on board, including eight americans. airlines in multiple countries have grounded their fleets of this particular plane, the boeing 737 max 8 jets. the aircraft was headed for nigh o nairobi. that's where sarah harman picks up the story. what do we know about the investigation that what went wrong? >> reporter: hi, hallie. good morning. everyone is hoping the discovery of those black boxes will give investigators the data they need to determine what went wrong, why this new boeing plunged from the sky, just a few minutes after take-off, killing off 1 i on board. both the captain and the first officer were experienced pilots. we are now learning more about the victims. there were people from 35 different countries on this
plane, an incredibly diverse passenger list. you mention td eight americed t americans. there are 32 kenyans. one of them was a student at georgetown law. his name was cedric. he was a third year law student who had grown up in mombasa. he was returning to kenya for a visit. sadly, the campus is now mourning his death. we also know that the u.n. is saying at least 19 of their united nations staff were on this flight. many of them were headed to an environmental conference here in nairobi that began today. hallie, a lot of people are drawing comparisons with another flight, that lion air jet crash in indonesia back in october. that was the same model of plane, a boeing 737 max 8. it also crashed just a few minutes after take-off. also, everyone on board was killed. a lot of questions for boeing. once investigators get into the
black boxes, hopefully, the families will get some answers. hallie? >> that is the hope. nbc's sarah harman, live for us in nairobi. thank you. let me bring in former ntsb board member, a writer for "aviation international news." john, thank you for being with us. let's talk about the airlines that have grounded this fleet. ethiopian air, indonesia, china, cayman airways, temporarily putting on the ground the 737 max 8s. is that the right move? should other airlines follow suit in. >> unless they have technical data to support their position, and i haven't seen any yet, i don't think there is enough evidence to support grounding that airplane. >> so you don't believe that other, for example, american companies, like for example southwest or american, that have the planes in their fleet should follow suit? >> no, i don't. i think from what i've seen so far, the american companies after the indonesian accident reinforced their training through notices to their pilots
on what to do with the trim that's running away, uncontrolled trim. it is simple to turn it off and fly the airplane manually. if you have basic flying skills, it's really not a challenge to fly this airplane. >> what about this concern that some pilots have, john, about not having been notified, for example, about the safety precautions on this fleet? >> i look at that with a jaundiced eye. we change software on airplanes all the time, and the pilots are not aware of it. the outcome of a run away trim required the exact same actions on the part of the pilots. there was nothing different than what the pilots could have done, once they recognized they had a trim that was running away. how do you recognize a run away trim? well, there is an oral warning. there is a signal by your knee that makes a racket when it is going around. you can see the airplane is pushing down, so you have the control cone.
reach down. you don't even stretch. you reach down and turn it off. you know, i don't hold any credence in those arguments. >> you know, we don't often -- it is rare we talk about plane crashes of this magnitude, which is a very good thing, of course, given the safety procedures that are in place, but i think there are a lot of folks flying this morning who see this, they're looking at the images, and they're going, oh. do you think passengers should be concerned? what would you say to reassure folks who are about to get on one of these planes here in this country? >> i think here in the united states, i don't have a qualm. i'm flying in a couple hours today on a 737. i don't have a problem flying with it. >> that's because of the data and what you know about flying, right? explain that. >> right. it's not even the statistics that people will tout about the airplane. it is the physical data. the airplane was behaving the way it should. whether or not the crew's actions were appropriate, we have to determine that yet. >> real quick, before i let you
know, we know investigators recovered the black boxes, as sarah harman filled us in about. what's the first thing they're looking for? what helpful information will they get out of that? >> well, the voice recorders are going to tell us what the crew was saying to each other on the airplane. the flight data recorder will take a little longer to download because it is a bunch of 0s and 1s, and it has to be interpreted. the flight data recorder will take a little bit longer. that'll be the key because of how soon this airplane -- and, fortunately, the recorders can tell us about a previous flight. was there a problem built into this airplane before this crew picked it up, which was the example in indonesia. the indonesian airplane never should have been in the air. it flew for two days in un-airworthy condition. it means it is not capable of flying. it shouldn't be in the air. for whatever reason, in indonesia, they put an airplane into the air that shouldn't have been in the air, and they gave this pilot a hot potato.
>> what is boeing's responsibility here? what should they be saying or doing today? >> you know they're going through every bit of data they have on their airplane. let's not forget, they fly these airplanes for a year before they get certified. they flied them all over the world, to every airport they can get, you know, special conditions. fly them at the airports high, fly them into areas that are hot. they do a lot of testing. they're going back over all their data. they're going over the data from other airplanes that have been flying. you know, maybe the american, united, and other carriers will be sharing their data with boeing, so they can see what the u.s. pilots are doing and comparing it so europe and other places, to see if there's any differences. >> i expect we'll find out more in the coming days. john goglia, thank you for joiningexpertise. the democratic national committee picked the city that
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we've got a little news in from the shop over at the west wing. turns out, the white house will be holding an on-camera briefing later on this afternoon, 2:00 eastern. this is the first on-camera briefing by press secretary sarah sanders in more than 40 days. yes, there will be a special guest appearance. the acting director of the office of management and budget. this is because it is budget day for the white house. sending it over to capitol hill this morning, i will be there for that. meantime, here on this hour. bo'rourke hasn't announce ad run, but he is already in the sights of an anxious conser conservative group set to run this ad in iowa. >> he's barack obama but white. he sure does act like it. born with a blue blood pedigree, the scion of a prominent family.
his father-in-law, a billionaire real estate developer who bankrolled a super pac to buy beto a congressional seat. >> the gop meddles in democratic nomination with takedown. if you haven't read it, check it out. alex, walk us through your reporti reporting. >> this is part of a broader deliver ration t deliberation the republican party is going through. donald trump's poll numbers aren't exactly where they want them to be right now, so the party wants to have influence in terms of helping to pick the democratic nominee. potentially pick a weaker democratic nominee. what you have here is they're going after beto o'rourke. they're targeting this ad toward democratic voters. it is interesting here. you have a conservative group hitting o'rourke from the left, aiming to dampen his support among rural voters.
>> you also have the head of the club for growth, the group behind the ad, who watalked wit my colleague, kasie hunt, yesterday. >> why spend money now against beto o'rourke? >> part of it is to set the table for when he does announce. we know beto very well. we ran against him in the senate race last year. he's not what he presents himself. the biggest thing he worked on at the city council was to try to bulldoze a hispanic neighborhood and give the property to his father-in-law to redevelop. >> what is your sense, alex, on this decision? was it after going after who they see as the biggest threat? was it cutting somebody off at the knees before they move on? >> yeah, absolutely. i talked to dave macintosh, as well. they really do see beto o'rourke as a serious threat. before going up with the ads, they did polling in battleground states. they found o'rourke narrowly trailing donald trump. perhaps just as significantly,
according to the club's polling, they found that beto, should he become the nominee, would potentially put texas in play in a general election for the first time in decades. so that could really complicate the republican party's fortunes in 2020. >> you also report that on friday night, speaking with donors, republican donors at an event at mar-a-lago, the president lamented he went after elizabeth warren too early, according to sources in the room. going forward, he'd wait until later in the primary to target democratic candidates. it is kind of interesting. is that the better strategy for this president? >> well, you know, it is interesting. there's sort of this broad view that president trump just tweets whatever he wants, attacks democrats whenever he wants. i think these comments over the weekend sort of reveal that he's starting to think himself about how he wants to play in the democratic race. how he wants to time his attacks for maximum effect. >> interesting stuff.
"politico"'s alex, thank you for being on the show. >> thank you. back to news developing this hour, confirmation from the dnc that the democratic national convention will set up shop in milwaukee. that's a decision that will bring millions of tourism dollars to wisconsin. by the way, a lot of attention to this critical state come 2020. joining me now, former deputy assistant secretary of state and a former spokesperson for hillary clinton. "washington post" opinion writer and contributor jennifer ruben also with me on set. if you hear the faint buzz, forgive felipe. it is his fan on set with us. tough to talk about milwaukee and not think about hillary clinton who never visited during the general election. is this a makeup for that? >> during the general. it might be an over makeup. it is possible to overcompensate for things. hindsight, the first person would want to do it again and go to wisconsin is hillary clinton. i don't think though that wisconsin is the reason she lost the election. she could have won wisconsin and
still lost. to me, the bigger puzzle to solve is pennsylvania. everyone loves to think that it is as simple as let's go to detroit a couple more times. let's go to milwaukee a couple more times. it is not that simple. something happened in western pennsylvania that i don't think is going to be resolved just as simply as going there more and more and more. >> you think the democratic convention should have been held in western pa in. >> no one asked me, but i probably would have thought about that, pittsburgh or something pa. in the end, i don't know how much it matters. it is not somewhere like miami, that's been there, done that. >> jennifer? >> yeah, i think, listen, the upper midwest is where the democrats seem to have their sights on. i think a lot is going to depend on who the candidate is. if it is beto o'rourke, maybe they should be in houston, or they should be in arizona. there are lots of ways to get to 270 for the democrats. i tend to agree, i think the location of the convention matters to people like us more than it does to the average
voter. i think everybody is going to be watching this convention because it's open race. it's a whole bunch of candidates, some of who we know about, some of whom we don't. >> speaking of one of the candidates people don't know a ton about yet, right, is pete, indiana mayor, doing the cnn town hall at south by southwest, along with half the field who descended on texas over the weekend. when asked of his former home state governor, mike pence, now the vice president, would be a better president than the current one, he talked about his idea of the scripture. >> how could he allow himself to become the cheerleader, the porn star presidency? is it he stopped believing in scripture when he started believing in donald trump? i don't know. >> he's the first openly gay hopeful in the race.
he is young ask nnd not well-kn. is he the guy to watch? >> he was very good. >> political twitter went gaga. >> he answers questions directly. he had an explanation for what to do in venezuela. he had a sound, sensible plan for extending health care. he is the darkest of the dark horses. 37 years old, a mayor of a relatively small midwestern town. i think it is a tribute or comment, at any rate, on our politics, that someone like this is way down in the polls, but someone like beto o'rourke, who really hasn't talked in substance on much of anything, is a rock star. that's just the politics we live in. i don't particularly like that, but it is a reality. >> then you have somebody else who is not even in the race -- by the way, is not eligible, ocasio-cortez, getting a ton of attention. crazy lines at south by southwest. she sort of defended this big,
progressive, ambitious agenda she has, by talking -- let me just play it. >> it feels like moderate is not a stance, it is just an attitude toward life. like, meh. >> is she haven't a bigger impact than the candidates in the race themselves, you think? >> no. i don't think it is helpful. >> you don't think it is helpful? >> no. it disagree with her views. i think it is incredible that she's causing the excitement she is, both during the race and now in congress. you know, having moderate positions is not meh. it is not lukewarm coffee. it is a difference in belief. if you disagree, don't belittle it like that. you know, i think this whole titling issue, socialism, democratic socialism, it is getting a little lost. i think if you spoke to most young people, they're not saying, i am very much for the government controlling the means
of progrduction in our nation. that's not what it is. they're equating medicare for all. family leave. it is not socialism. i can't stand it, getting tongue tied. there are candidates who can't answer, are you for capitalism? >> right. >> they're capitalists. that's how they got their job. >> of all people, yes. i tend to agree with this. i think what was refreshing about buttigeg is he answered the question. he didn't go for a label. he said what he was for. i think candidates who rely on just a label or a sound bite, it's going to get them a couple weeks in the campaign, maybe a couple months, but at some point, i do think voters want to hear something. you know, the old thing, where's the beef? i think it behooves them to stop the labeling and circular firing squad and just talk about what they believe in. by the way, this gal, you know, has never held office before. what has she done in her career?
before she begins criticizing others,let s let's see what she going to do. >> got elected to congress. ocas ocasio-cort ocasio-cortez, of course. i want to get to joe biden. obviously, lots of intrigue around him. our reporting at nbc news is he may decide early this week. he's telling folks he's leaning. >> he's going to fall into the race. >> does he need to fall over soon and into the race? >> i hope he does. i think he wants to. i think he knows it is going to be tough. i think he wants to leave it all on the playing field. jennifer and i were talking about this before we came on. >> you're not allowed to talk about things you'll talk on set. >> then we'll go back to hating each other. but if the election were tomorrow, i could pick the nominee and spare the world from campaigning, though donald trump is the new disciplined donald trump we'll see, according to reporting, i'd pick joe biden. if i couldn't pick hillary clinton. >> i don't think donald trump is
going to be disciplined. i didn't read the reporting. >> he thinks it is going to be disciplined. he being donald trump. he said it in two days or he'll lie. you're glaring. >> donald trump likes to go after joe biden. they did that. >> creepy joe. >> yeah. >> joe biden vowed to take on donald trump, too. >> i hope he stays joe biden. one of the things that has been problematic is everyone gets into his head about gaffes. there are things he's said and done, whether about the criminal justice system in the '90s or '80s, ainita hill, segregation. there are many thanks he has to answer for. saying he said mike pence was a whatever kind of guy, or i'm going to take donald trump out back, everyone get off joe biden's back. let him show feistiness. that's the guy that can beat donald trump. >> pleasure to see you both in person. thanks for coming on. critical week expected in the mueller investigation. what the next five days could reveal about how this mueller
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gag order. on wednesday, paul manafort is set to be sentenced on conspiracy charges by the same judge in washington. and that day, we'll hear whether mueller and michael flynn's legal teams are roeady for flyn to be sentenced. thursday, stone is back in federal court. on friday, you have rick gates, manafort's former right-hand man, who could learn about when he will be sentenced. gates has been cooperating with mueller. i want to bring in paul charlton, a former u.s. attorney, and natasha bertrand, staff writer at the "atlantic." paul, let me start with you. let me look ahead to wednesday. we've talked a little bit about roger stone this morning today. on wednesday, this is a big sentencing date for manafort. amy berman jackson, tough judge, no nonsense. so far, he has a 47 month sentence from last week. the longest yet that we've seen in the mueller investigation, but not as long as it could have been. do you think that judge amy berman jackson will take that
into considering when she sentences manafort in 48 hours from now? >> i think she will. it's something that's happened before. this happens with frequency in courts, where one defendant faces sentencing in two different courts. she'll take it into consideration. i think what we can expect, as well, hallie, is that this judge is going to be a much different judge than paul manafort faced last week. if last week judge ellis bent over backwards to take into consideration what mercy he thought paul manafort should receive, this is a judge who has already made it very clear she has little patience for paul manafort and even little patience for his lawyer. i think he can expect a much different reception when he appears before her on wednesday. >> natasha, "politico" reports all the activity this week, right, could end up revealing more about mueller's end game, as they put it. quote, the timing for this week's mueller moves is, in one way, happenstance, coinciding schedules from criminal cases that represent the public face of the special counsel's often
secretive work. but, they write, it represents the fact that numerous, high-profile story lines of the mueller probe are finally coming to their conclusion. what is your sense, ngatha nata? how important are the milestones before the report is turned over to the ag? >> i think the latter part of the assessment, the fact that many of the story lines are converging into a conclusion is the more important takeaway from this. i don't necessarily know how much information we're going to get, pertinent to the actual russia investigation, from these court filings this week. i mean, rick gates, his status report is due on friday. for all we know, he might still be cooperating. we may just read from mueller's team that his cooperation is ongoing, and his sentencing will be again delayed. for michael flynn, the prosecutors are going to tell the judge how much he has cooperated. again, it is going to be cooperation with a case out in virginia against one of his former business partners, which has more to do with turkey than
russia. not sure we're going to learn much new there with regards to the actual core of the russia investigation. then with roger stone, what we're going to learn this week is, you know, whether or not he might go to jail for violating the gag order the judge put on him on multiple occasions and how harsh judge amy berman jackson, the same judge due to sentence manafort on wednesday, is actually going to be with roger stone. it's definitely something to watch, but i don't know how much new information we'll get out of that. seeing roger stone sent to jail, of course, would be a major development. >> let me ask you this, paul, you have house intelligence committee chairman adam schiff out with chuck on "meet the press," who talked about the idea that mueller -- as natasha is talking about this coming to a head -- should have spoken with the president personally, sort of in person. i want to play that. >> ultimately, it is a mistake because probably the best way to get the truth would be to put the president under oath. as he's made plain in the past, he feels it has perfectly fine to lie to the public.
after all he has said, it is not like i'm talking before a magistrate. well, maybe he should talk before a magistrate. >> paul, do you agree? >> well, listen, hallie, adam schiff is a former u.s. assistant attorney. he's a hired former assistant attorney from the southern district of new york. he has a great knowledge base. i'd be reluctant to give at vice to robert mueller on how to conduct an investigator. i was a prosecutor 16 years. bob mueller knows what he's doing. i think we can assume, as well, this he has more information than anybody, both from the intelligence agencies and the cases he's prosecuting. we can trust when the report comes out, we'll see it, hopefully, that he was doing the right thing by handling the trump interview in exactly the way he's done it so far. >> natasha, you were digging in on a different investigation, one you write could pose, perhaps, the biggest threat to the president. that is the investigation from the house judiciary committee and jerry nadler.
chairman nadler's probe appears to encompass several lines of inquiry which have been examed by federal and congressional investigators the last two years. how is this going to be a game changer? >> well, for one, i think this investigation is going to be, arguably, more transparent than the senate and house intelligence investigations have been into the president's ties to russia. that is by necessity, right? a lot of what they have been investigating has been highly classified. therefore, the public hasn't been able to see much of what they uncovered. the house judiciary committee, meanwhile, is already presenting evidence that it is going to be much more transparent. they put documents online, outlining what they've requested from the 81 witnesses, the letters they requested, et cetera. they've been very open about the fact there's going to be more. there are going to be more witnesses that they reach out to in the coming days. the house judiciary committee will continue to make news in the coming weeks and months, as one source told me. this is also potentially a bigger threat to the president
because it just does not go into just miss russ his russia ties financial conviflicts of intere. whether he violated a clause of the constitution with all his businesses around the world. it is all encompassing. >> paul and natasha, thank you for being with us. up next, a federal judge rules against the trump administration on family separations at the border. jacob soboroff explains why those kids may now be one step closer to reuniting with their families. families or psoriatic arthritis, little things can be a big deal. that's why there's otezla. otezla is not an injection or a cream. it's a pill that treats differently. for psoriasis, 75% clearer skin is achievable, with reduced redness, thickness, and scaliness of plaques. for psoriatic arthritis, otezla is proven to reduce joint swelling, tenderness, and pain. and the otezla prescribing information has no requirement for routine lab monitoring. don't use if you're allergic to otezla.
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in just about two hours or so the white house will hold a briefing on the president's budget which calls for more than $8.5 billion to pay for a wall along the country's border with mexico. the president, of course, has also declared a national emergency saying it is a major national security problem and he needs money for it. the federal judge has ruled the trump administration is responsible for thousands more migrant children separated from their families many initially thought. jacob soboroff has been following the story. jacob, how do we know about how many children we're talking about and what this means? >> first, ali, this is a really, really big deal.
maybe one of the critical juncture points of the two-year long family separation process and that is because we knew about the 2800 kids that were separated and 2700 of those kids who were reunited during the zero tolerance period, but before that time, hhs, health and human service e the department responsible for the separated migrant earn which, their office of inspector general say there may be thousands more, potentially thousands who were separated before zero tolerance during a pilot program the trump administration ran in el paso up until the time zero tolerance started. it could be a thousand, 2,000, 3,000 and we don't know and that's the point of this whole thing. so now this judge has ruled that the trump administration needs to rule all of these kid, unknown number, thousands, into the larger class and then the next step will be determining who they are, where they are and ultimately on what happened to them. >> so how does this gives kids closure on being reunited with their family? >> i talked to the lawyer who has been the lead guy out on this case and he said basically,
he has to go to the justice department, ask the court to tell the justice department, to compel the justice department to hand over all of the information. believe it or not, the aclu can call each and every one of these families and the judge wasn't having any of this, he wasn't having it during the initial separation and he forced the reunifications in the first place. i want to read what he said. >> police. >> the homework of a civilized societiy is measured by how it treats its people and those within its borders. that the defendants may have to undertake additional efforts to, and it has the unquestionable importance of the effort and why it is necessary and worthwhile and this goes directly against what the trump administration has been saying. it's too complicated and too complex and too expensive to find, locate and reunify these children and the judges are saying i'm not having any of that. >> that is for sure.
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