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lucky number 13 in the democratic field after his announcement this morning. but there are plenty of questions about his campaign, and our reporters are with him asking. >> beto, how does it feel to be in? >> it feels wonderful. feels even better to be in. looking forward to meeting the folks who are here and having a cup of coffee. >> we've got our team set up and ready to rock 'n' roll. we'll get to more on o'rourke's run but first, we want to touch on the two developing stories connected to robert mueller's investigation in the courts and in the capitol. look here on the left side of the screen. a live look at the federal courthouse here in washington. longtime donald trump confidante roger stone is inside those doors facing a judge who is not thrilled that he seemed to violate his gag order. on the right, that's action starting in the house with lawmakers expected to vote this hour on a democratic bill to make sure that mueller report is made public. nbc news senior investigations producer anna scheckter is outside the courthouse. we're talking about judge amy berman jackson, a familiar name
from her role in the manafort sentencing yesterday. she doesn't seem to have a lot of patience for mr. stone. >> she absolutely does not. in fact, last time she told him, i'm giving you a second chance today. he walked out of court last time. she's not giving him a third shot. she said this is not baseball. so there's a lot of tension in the room today because we're going to find out if this new introduction to a book that stone wrote where he slammed robert mueller, which violated the gag order. stone says he wrote it before he got this gag order. but we're going to find out if that's the third strike and if she sends him to jail today. he could walk out and be on the next flight where he's been staying. it remains to be seen. >> anna shechter outside the courthouse. also beto o'rourke finally revealing the worst kept secret in politics. that he wants to run and will run for president. the former texas congressman is just wrapping up his first
campaign event in iowa that happened just a couple minutes ago. watch. >> hi. how are you? nice to see you. good morning. >> o'rourke will be criss-crossing the caucus state on a road trip. and speaking roofds, he posed in front of one on the cover of the "vanity fair" issue. a glossy 17-page spread that dropped overnight. o'rourke telling the magazine, man, i am just born to be in it, adding, this is the fight of our lives. let's get to garrett haake in iowa where o'rourke just finished his first event. vaughn hillyard is also following him and wendy davis from texas. so you have the, i guess, distinction of getting that first question to candidate beto o'rourke, just a few months
after he told you he was definitely not going to run for president. >> yeah, things moving quickly out here, hallie, from the definitive no to a definitive yes. what we'll see is going to be a grassroots campaign that looks like what we just saw in this coffee shop. dropping in, shaking hands, taking advantage of the fact he does not have a day job right now. can spend a lot of time on the ground talking about issues and taking questions. he took a half a dozen or so questions from the audience here on a wide variety of issues. you saw in his answers what people like about beto o'rourke and what they don't. he spoke to these broad, inspiring themes about the importance of combating climate change, the importance of improving the dignity of work for people but didn't get into specifics. this is one of the criticisms of o'rourke. and so you saw this very warm welcome. some loud trucks coming by here. and on his way out, i asked him, so why does the guy who lost to ted cruz, what does he uniquely
bring to this field? here's what he had to say. >> you said a lot of positive things about the rest of the democrats running. why is the guy who lost to ted cruz in 2018 the best guy to take on trump in 2020? what do you say to people who make that argument? >> it's not about me or trump or even about the other candidates. it's about people. and so i put myself before the people who will make this decision. >> i don't like to interrupt candidates but i did interrupt o'rourke there and pressed him on this. two things he does uniquely bring to the table is his relative success in a red state and putting texas in play is something that democrats have coveted for my entire adult life. and the second thing is that he feels he's uniquely qualified to talk about the issue of immigration and the issue of the wall and the issue of how we deal with that as a country and culture coming from el paso. and that has become the seminal issue in american politics. we'll see how much he talks about it. in the rest of the stops, mostly in counties that donald trump
won in 2016, hallie. >> we're going to see if donald trump has going to say about beto o'rourke later this hour. garrett haake, i'll let you go. vaughn hillyard, nobody knows iowa better than you. give me a sense of how o'rourke is playing in iowa and a little about his strategy. in his senate race he was like, no pollsters, no pac money. you think he'll do the same thing come 2020? >> hallie, at that first event he said this was his first ever stop in iowa. this will be the second city he visits, ft. madison. he's going to be meeting with the sophomore government class here. but in this county, to give you an idea, this is a place that donald trump won by 16 percentage points. after barack obama won it by 16 points himself just four years earlier. back in that senate campaign, hallie, beto o'rourke visited all 254 counties in texas. there's 99 of them here in iowa. and as garrett said, he has time on his hands and 11 months to do it.
and he's starting here in the southeastern part of the state. he had no consultants the last go around. in an interview with the el paso times he said he'll be changing that approach but at the same time, they had almost 1,000 field organizers. they were able to pay, although the organizers with the $80 million that his campaign ultimately raised. and it was unlike a senate campaign that you typically have seen around the country. field offices, 32 of them spread around the state. an operation on a wide scale. and something they are looking to put into place here in a similar capacity. in his last go around, jodi casey, a long time friend of his. his campaign manager. hadn't been involved in politics before. and his chief of staff also took a leading role in the campaign. now, what does that look like here? a lot of it came down to grit and volunteer activism in texas. that's what they'll need here. one other note is when you talk to people in iowa, there are a lot of democratic voters that do
not know who beto o'rourke is. a morning consult poll showed nearly one-third of democratic voters do not know who beto o'rourke is. elizabeth warren, just 11% said they were unfamiliar. there's room for him to grow. he's going to have a lot of counties to visit here in the state. >> and you'll be following him to all of them. vaughn hillyard in ft. madison, iowa. wendy davis, we're juggling several big stories this hour. one is the house vote on a resolution related to robert mueller. that vote has begun. we're going to be watching this for the next few minutes. this is a bill backed by democrats that would essentially make that mueller report more transparent. it would force the department of justice, for example, to release the report to congress and publicly the portions that it can. it's not expected to go very far but we're going to keep an eye on how this vote turns out. wendy, let me come back to you, related to beto o'rourke. he calls himself a progressive -- or has declined
to call himself a progressive. he doesn't like labels. he has put that away from his campaign. we like to talk about where these candidates stand. he supports immigration reform, including a pathway to citizenship, universal health care, although he's not committed to medicare for all. he wants to invest in clean energy. supports the green new deal, legalization of marijuana, assault weapons ban, pro-choice on abortion rights. do you think that beto o'rourke is liberal enough in this sort of crowded platform that he is progressive enough for the democratic party that wants to see somebody progressive in place? >> well, i can tell you what we observed here in texas. and it was really fascinating because beto managed to excite not just democratic voters here but also independents and a fair amount of republicans, too. and he did it running on an unapologetic progressive agenda. he may not have owned that label for himself, but he ran very much to the left of center here
in a statement that you would, as a politician, be advised not to run a campaign that looks like that. and he managed to connect with people in a way that was really rare and quite magical honestly. and i watched him this morning as he stood in that coffee shop in iowa on his very first campaign stop. and i saw him doing the very thing there that we observed him doing in texas and that he'll do throughout the campaign. >> you talk about texas. you talk about how he pulled in republican support to a small degree there. he talked about this in the "vanity fair" spread. had a private meeting with barack obama in which obama asked if o'rourke had considered if he had a clear path to the white house. like what states could he deliver? texas, michigan, pennsylvania? o'rourke said no one thought there was a path in texas. he said if we're able to bring
people in, we can do it. you know texas. can he realistically bring texes too democrats in 2020? >> he realistically truly can bring texas to democrats in 2020. i absolutely believe that. and i believe it because with presidential turnout, if that turnout, if 2020 turnout had been in place in 2018, beto would be the u.s. senator from texas right now that he sought to be. and with they turnout that will be inspired by virtue of the fact it's a presidential race and particularly if we have a texan on the ballot, i think texas is going to go to the blue column in 2020. mark my words. this is my prediction. >> o'rourke also talked very candidly in this "vanity fair" article about the fact that he is a white man. he's not a diverse candidate, right? and he talks about how he understands people will make a decision based on the fact that almost every single one of our presidents has been a white man and they want something
different for this country. he talks about putting diversity into his team. but do you think that that is going to be an issue for him? >> in some issues. however, as long as he is lining up where particular people who are voting in democratic primaries want to see him, i think he's going to rise above that. beto grew up in el paso. he grew up in a community that is a majority latino community. he speaks fluent spanish. and beto has an ability to connect with people that cannot be overstated. regardless of where they come from, the color of their skin, their gender, their sexual identity, he just has a way of making a connection to people that i think helps him and did help him here in texas to rise above the fact that he is a white male. yet another white male politician. >> i want to bring in betsy
woodruff of the daily beast and aaron blake. in about four minutes, we're going to see president trump in the oval office. he may be asked about the newest candidate that he could end up facing come 2020. president trump has talked about beto o'rourke before. remember that he said he's got very little going for himself except his great first name. do you think the white house sees o'rourke as a threat? >> they should. as far as a candidate in this field, beto o'rourke may be the biggest boom or bust candidate. the up side is completely there. we see it with the way he handles himself on the stump. i also think we saw it in the texas race. republicans are out there saying this is a guy who just lost a senate race. also a guy who came about as close as we've seen a democrat in the last quarter century. he has a good story to tell as far as that campaign. national democrats started that campaign basically laughing him off and saying this guy doesn't have a chance. by the end he showed he had a chance. so the president needs to take that seriously. >> i was in touch with morning with a veteran texas democratic
operative about beto's campaign. he snts an all caps exclamation point text pointing out that beto does not have a delegate tracking operation and this is a guy who appears to be repeating the mistakes made in 2018, thinking he can ride by on his charisma. >> both of you stick around. wendy davis, thank you for joining us and for your perspective on this state. we'll talk more about o'rourke and his race. also how the most popular plane in the world will not be flying today. how the grounding of the boeing 737 max 8 and 9 is affecting flights. we'll bring you that frantic call when it all went down. first, back to federal court here in washington. that roger stone hearing we talked about has now started. we have details from inside the courtroom. mptoms following you? for adults with moderately to severely active crohn's disease, stelara® works differently. studies showed relief and remission, with dosing every 8 weeks. stelara® may lower your ability to fight infections
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it's been a split screen kind of morning related to robert mueller with developments from the courts, capitol hill and the special counsel's office where there are new signs the russia investigation may be about to wrap up. that's because nbc news has confirmed the top prosecutor on mueller's team is about to step down which he probably wouldn't do if there was more work to do, right? then former trump confidante roger stone facing a judge, who is not thrilled about his compliance or lack thereof with his gag order. he could also get a trial date on the charges of obstruction, witness tampering and making false statements. on the hill, we're expecting this vote to come down.
it's already begun on the house resolution that democrats want calling for the mueller report to be made public. lots to talk about with matthew miller, glen kershner and former federal prosecutor, betsy woodruff and aaron blake join us as well. matt, we are just getting word from inside the courtroom that the judge, judge amy berman jackson, has now said he's not going to spend much time in this hearing on stone's book release. this was the release of the paperbook that slammed mueller. i don't intend to dwell on it, adding he was aware at the time it was issued there was a publication. they tried to get on top of the issue thereafter. do you take that as a good sign if you're stone's attorneys? >> he's probably going to get a third chance. if you remember when she imposed the initial gag order after posting that photo on instagram of her along with what appeared to be gun sites, she said that any further violation of this gag order will mean that you're put in custody until you face
trial. and this isn't baseball. you have gotten a second chance. you'll not get a third one. she's probably going to give him a third chance. but i think we're also going to get a trial date today and find out when he faces trial. given what little ability he has shown so far to keep his nose clean while he awaits trial, the chances of him making it to trial without somehow violating the gag order or doing something else inappropriate that lands him in hot water seems fairly low. >> glen, you spent yesterday for us in the courtroom watching judge amy berman jackson, same judge who sentenced paul manafort as folks who watch this show know. from what you saw from her, what do you think roger stone is in for over the next few minutes here? >> she's no nonsense. she's a law and order oriented judge. i don't think she'll take kindly to stone yet again violating her gag order. she's going to see this as more of a foul tip and not another strike. what she'll probably do and we make these predictions at our own peril but i think she'll
ratchet up his conditions of release. maybe treat him like the teenager he's behaving like and send him to his room. maybe order home detention. maybe ban him from social media altogether. the dramatic remedy of stepping him back as we say in d.c. circles and jailing him pending trial is perhaps a little more than she's willing to impose right now. but i do think if he plays this game one more time, her patience will probably run out. >> matt, also the possibility that we could get a trial date. stone could see his trial date set. he's pleased not guilty to charges of obstruction, false statements, witness tampering accused of lying to congress and lying about interactions with wikileaks. do you see this thing headed toward maybe a plea deal? >> he's saying -- he said very firmly from the beginning he's never going to plead. unlike any other defendants, he has a powerful reason not to. anyone else in this situation, if you looked at the charges he faced and the strength of the
evidence and indictment, their attorney would be telling them, you don't stand a great chance at trial. your better option is to plead. he has an option not available to most defendants and that's the president of the united states holding out the opportunity for a pardon at the end of this. the usual calculus a defendant might make is up ended here by the fact he has a chance for no jail time at all if he just never cooperates and talks about the president, and the president, you know, comes through on at least what is an implied pardon that he's been talking about publicly and by some reports privately. >> there's also news out of the special counsel's office because all of washington and the rest of the country remains on mueller report watch, right, as the house vote goes down on capitol hill. and betsy, our nbc news team have confirmed that a top prosecutor, andrew weisman, the guy in the courtroom yesterday for the manafort sentencing, is moving on. he's stepping down from that role on the team. he's leaving the special counsel's office and doing something else. that is being read by a lot of
folks as a sign that, yes, mueller's investigation is basically just about wrapped up and that report is basically going to come out soon. >> there's in my view not another way to read it. weisman was essentially mueller's top deputy. he was there from jump street. he helmed the manafort prosecution which has been the crown jewel of the mueller probe. for him to step away indicates that mueller is comfortable with losing some of the prosecutorial firepower that's just been the bread and butter of this probe over the last year and change that he's been operating it. >> ken dilanian, colorfully describes him as the lebron james of money laundering. he knows his stuff. if he's moving on, it's tough to see any other reading of this other than this puppy is winding down. >> i agree. that's the most likely reading. i will say, though, mueller is perhaps content with where he has farmed other cases out to, including my old office, the d.c. u.s. attorney's office.
we know there are a whole bunch of sealed cases sitting on the d.c. federal court docket that may -- may not be -- but they may be special counsel cases. we know the d.c. u.s. attorney's office is prosecuting the buttina case and russian bot case. he's farmed stuff out. >> he's ceded it into other -- >> the weissman departure doesn't signal the end of prosecutions but mueller is moving into a new phase. >> that's an important distinction. if he's farming out other pieces of the investigation elsewhere, you can look at that to read a couple of ways how he's wrapping this thing up. >> you could. i think we've already seen him farm out cases to sdny and the district of columbia. there are other pieces we have known he's investigated about contacts with representatives of the uae and other middle eastern governments that would seem right at the end of it. anything core to his original
mandate around russian collusion would be something he'd want to handle himself. something parallel to roger stone where he can bring in an indictment. that could be how we see it, but i think that weissman leaving is a sign he's wrapping down because it's not just andrew in isolation. the top fbi agent left the office. and joined the richmond office of the fbi a week ago. and i know there are other prosecutors in mueller's office in talks right now about what their next job is. when you look at it altogether, it's a sign mueller goes away, even if the justice department doesn't. >> matt, let me bring you back to roger stone. per the notes from inside the courtroom, a trial date has been set. it will be november 5th. so roger stone has some months to go before he gets back in front of a judge. judge jackson says this will be at least a two-week trial. and i'm just looking through the notes here. she didn't want to talk about the book publication part of the situation because she's taking it under advisement. they went into detail about the actual publication, the day of
the book versus when they thought it was going to be released. trial set for roger stone is two weeks. does it seem about right to you? >> to me, yeah. that seems about right. and that seems about the right amount of time between now and when we'd have a trial, though it can slip. trials often do. that means we have eight months where roger stone has to be on his best behavior to avoid being remanded to custody before trial. and if you were a betting person, based on his past behavior, that seems like a high bar for him to meet. >> it was a tough spot for amy berman jackson today. while she was very tough on him and suggested she didn't necessarily believe his explanations in the last hearing, this was kind of a gray area. are you really going to put somebody in jail for releasing a book that they just added to and was already set for release? i think she does recognize as matt says there are eight more months in which he can do something much clearer that could land him in jail. so why do it right now when it might look a little heavy handed. >> give him a couple of weeks. he'll be back on social media.
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the newest democrat in the presidential race, beto o'rourke, is arriving now at his second ever official presidential campaign stop in iowa. you are about to see him apparently pull up in his minivan. he's been driving himself through iowa. vaughn hillyard is there. and give us a sense of what we're looking at. vaughn is just getting hooked up for us and where we're going with o'rourke ready to be talking to some folks in iowa, kicking off his presidential campaign. he's the first candidate that went immediately to iowa after declaring his bid. he did so in a video this
morning, straight to camera talking with his wife about why he thinks he'd be the best candidate to run. i'm joined by aaron blake and betsy woodruff as we await for o'rourke's arrival. >> o'rourke minivan watch. reminds me of when hillary clinton -- >> this is not my favorite shot in the world. i'd rather be looking at the senate. >> was clinton's vehicle called the scooby-doo mobile? it was some sort of a cutesy term for the van that she drove around in. >> look at that. that's vaughn hillyard in our shot. i don't know if you can hear me. we're just going to do this. what are you seeing? what's going on? >> beto o'rourke is driving himself in his dodge caravan. >> where is he? >> he's arriving here to ft. madison high school. come along here, brad. walk this way with me, brad. he is presently sitting in his van. he arrived here about a minute ago. he was doing an interview with radio iowa. can you see him here, brad?
he's going to be meeting up with junior and senior high school government class students. obviously, back in texas, he made it a ritual as he crossed 254 counties. there's 99 of them here in iowa. this is a start. he's in the southeastern most county here in the state. this is a place that donald trump won by 16 points. barack obama won it four years earlier by 16. and there is the former congressman as you'll see now. >> this is what you call a little -- >> it will be his second stop. >> we jumped into this thinking o'rourke was getting out. this is what you call filling the airtime, gang, as we wait for the presidential candidate to pull up. we didn't intend to creep on o'rourke in the driver's seat of his minivan but that's what we're doing. hoping you'll get a couple of questions to him on his first official day of his campaign stop. looks like the van is driving right past you so run or -- >> i feel like this is going to be a lot of what the next 11
months are going to be like, hallie? >> i hope not. >> he's going to be doing this stop. he's going to be here over the course of three days working in the eastern most part of this state. these were a lot of different counties where donald trump did well that were previously in democratic hands. again, it's an interesting second stop. this will be a private event with students. >> so we can't go inside with him? >> unfortunately not. we're going to try to pass off as students, but i think we're over that at this point. >> vaughn, let me bring in betsy and aaron here as beto o'rourke gets out and gets ready to go. >> do we know how the minivan got to iowa, if it's a rental he acquired there or if this is the o'rourke family minivan that's now been -- >> it looks like -- it looks like an illinois van. this is about three hours from any major city. the question, congressman, is where is the rental car from? >> des moines.
picked it up in the des moines airport. >> about a three-hour drive? >> yeah, three-hour drive. our plane got in a little late. we were driving at night and didn't get a chance to see everything, but waking up today, it's absolutely beautiful. we're lucky to be there. >> we're with msnbc right now. what does the iowa operation look like over the next 11 months? >> you're seeing it. it's being with people. listening to people. being respectful of every person in every community. never asking your party affiliation or wanting to define you by your differences. what is it that we can do as americans for this country at this moment of our greatest challenges. economic challenges, being able to find work, work that pays, work where you can only work one job and be able to take care of your kids. how can we ensure every single american is well enough to live to their full potential because they're guaranteed the right to see a doctor and afford their medications. how can we lift up by listening to rural communities? how do we ensure we have real justice reform for every single one of us? how do we meet the challenges of
a democracy that may be a democracy in name only if we allow this current trajectory to continue? where the power is concentrated in the hands of a few of the privileged, of the wealthy and of corporations. that's who our lawmakers respond to. how do we return power back to people because if we're going to meet our single greatest challenge of climate change and the disaster that awaits our kids and grandkids, it's going to take every single one of us. and the only mechanism that can draw forth the true genius of america is our democracy. so fixing that and you'll see this in the campaign. the way we run this. this is all about democracy. fixing that is the first step in fixing everything else that we just described. and so that's the kind of campaign that you'll see us run. >> this county flipped by 32 points in favor of donald trump. a lot of those folks we still talk to say they still have hope in this president, whether on the trade front. is their hope misplaced? >> look, every single american should want to ensure that whoever is president is
successful because our success depending on that. but a president who has caused so much pain for so many of our fellow americans cannot be allowed to continue another four years in office. it will continue to devastate communities like those that i listened to across texas, like those who are suffering through a trade war begun by this president here in iowa. what we need is leadership that is based on our ambition, our aspiration. leadership that seeks not to divide us but to unite us and bring us together and call forth the power, the ingenue ut, the genius, creativity of this country to call on every problem before us. i want to make sure we're united because we've never had a set of challenges. i want to go in and -- >> are you going to hit all 99 counties? >> we're going to go to every single part of iowa. >> thank you. >> vaughn hillyard with the live interview of beto o'rourke. his handler ushers him in to
that school building where he'll be talking with students there in government class, right? >> yeah. he's going to be meeting with junior and seniors here at ft. madison high school. the government class here. obviously, we don't get the chance to go in but this is the second stop in what will be many. he'll be heading up to burlington and making several cedar rapids tomorrow. dubuque on saturday. >> that was quite a seven minutes of television, my friend. aaron blake and betsy woodruff are back. o'rourke, obviously, wants to talk about why he's running and what he's running on. questions about operationally how he's doing it and also questions about whether he is progressive enough in this field. >> the whole no labels thing is interesting to me. we saw him talk about that with vaughn. we don't need to talk about republicans and democrats. i mean, obviously, this is all very obama in 2004 democratic national convention. but i also wonder if it's really the approach the democratic party wants right now,
especially the base which is very angry about the president. very mobilized by this. are they just going to want somebody that comes out and speaks in platitudes about how we're not a divided country? maybe they want someone that recognizes we are divided and need to fight in order to win elections which democrats haven't been able to do despite winning the popular vote. >> we'll talk more about this and the other news of the day including the senate republican rebellion in a way, a rebellion that may not have any teeth because the president has promised to veto what they're voting on. mark short, the vice president's chief of staff has been patiently waiting on the white house lawn. we'll get to that. you find a sk based on what's trending or an investing goal. it's real-time insights and information, in your own customized view of the market. it's smarter trading technology, for smarter trading decisions. and it's only from fidelity.
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>> roger stone getting into his car leaving court after getting a trial date. november 5th, 2019, is when he'll go to trial for the charges that include witness tampering and lying. stone was asked a lot of questions. you might be wondering why did they ask him about his play list and about broadway shows? it's because stone is not allowed to actually talk about his case because of the gag order which is part of the reason he was in front of judge amy berman jackson today. so stone knows when he will face trial. again, coming up this fall for those charges. the former longtime donald trump confidante in some legal trouble for sure. we also want to get a check of developing news on this very busy morning happening on the house side. we've been talking about the resolution for transparency as it relates to the mueller report. that has now passed overwhelmingly in the house. it's not expected to go very far in the senate. but democrats have been pushing
this in order to make sure that when mueller's report does end up finalized, it goes to congress and that members of the public, me, you, everybody else, can see unclassified pieces of it. so we're staying on top of that. if that wasn't enough, also what's going down in the senate. and that is this vote to essentially rebuke donald trump's national emergency declaration as it relates to the border. you have a number of republicans who have either come out publicly or privately to say they have some real concerns about this. it's kind of a mini republican rebellion. to talk about it, i want to bring in mark short, the chief of staff to the vice president. he is also the former legislative affairs director. took a hiateus from the white house. you're now back. i appreciate your patience. we've had a lot of breaking news on this show. >> beto o'rourke driving up in a minivan was scintillating coverage. >> i'll be curious your thoughts on that. mitt romney has now come out and
announced he is going to vote yes on this resolution. how many republican senators do you expect will go against the president on this? what's your count? >> i don't know. i assume a handful. what's most important is the president has made the case he's going to make sure the southern border is secure. he campaigned on that in 2016. it's one of the reasons he was elected. and we believe there's a true humanitarian crisis at the border and a national security crisis at the border. and we believe from most republicans who talk us to, they say, yes, we agree there's a crisis and, yes, we think that actually the president has the authority to do this. we just don't like the way the law is. and for those, i mean, you are faced with a choice. do you want to vote with nancy pelosi and chuck schumer or side with the president about making sure that our border is secure. >> plenty of republicans may, in fact, vote against the president on this. do you believe you'll have a veto-proof majority? >> oh, i am -- we're quite confident there will be a veto-proof majority. we hope that republicans will choose to side with the president on this and side with their voters. i think the reality is that again, there is a true crisis at
the border. what we've seen, we had sheriffs in the white house yesterday in customs and border patrol officials who said there's been a 269% increase in fentanyl apprehensions inspect the last five months there's been more unaccompanied minors that have been apprehended than any year in the history of our country at the southern border. so i think that everybody can accept on the republican side at least that there's a crisis. and they accept the president has the legal authority to do this. there's just some who want to make sure that the purse is controlled by congress. and it's -- >> right. and so -- and that's part of it. because you do have some members of congress who concerned about executive overreach essentially. unlimited executive authority. senator mike lee made this proposal that would for future emergency declarations limit the power of the president and put a cap on that. i'm confused by something the president tweeted a moment ago where he said if at a later date congress wants to update the law, i will support those efforts. but today's issue is border
security. does the president, does this white house support senator lee's proposal or not? >> i think that at a later date, the white house is willing to consider other options. we recognize the national security emergency act is roughly 40 years old. if it needs to be updated, the white house is willing to look at that. but today is a vote about whether or not you're looking to secure the border. and republican mike lee will tell you, he has said i agree there's a crisis, and i agree the president has the authority to do this. and so why he's choosing to vote with chuck schumer and nancy pelosi is confusing. we're willing to consider a future amendment to this legislation at a later date. right now the vote today is about securing our border and side with the president. >> you guys have been working behind the scenes to get republicans in line so this roets is not essentially as overwhelming ta ining as it cou against president trump. senator graham went to the white house for dinner after trying to get blocked by the white house. talking to the president along with other republican senators, what can you tell us about that
meeting and why was there initial resistance? >> the white house was trying to block senator graham, then senator graham would have been blocked. he's quite agile but not yet is overcoming secret service at the white house. yes, the reality that some senators came to meet with the president last night. and i think lindsey graham is siding with the president on this vote and is very supportive. i think there are some who are just looking to get assurances that we'd be willing to reconsider and look at this legislation in the future. and i think the president, as you noted in his tweet, is willing to do that. but today is a vote about securing our border. and whether you want to side with nancy pelosi and chuck schumer or side with president trump. >> let me ask you about the news of the day. beto o'rourke has announced his run for presidency in 2020. do you believe he'll be a threat to donald trump? is he the biggest democratic threat or is that maybe joe biden or somebody else? >> from my understanding, he lost his most recent election. i think the reality is that where the democrat party is today, their candidates are
continuing to move further and further toward socialist democrat left and that makes it harder to win a general election. the president has a strong record to run on on the economy and national security. i don't know that there's a candidate now that is viewed as a significant threat. >> mark short on his first week back working, back in the administration. i appreciate you making time on the north lawn for us as the irish prime minister arrives behind you. we should note the president any minute is going to be meeting with the leader in the oval office. reporters will be inside that room peppering the president with questions. we'll bring you any news from that as we get it. there's still more developing news. that resolution the house passed just within the last couple of minutes here. a resolution that essentially calls on that mueller report to be made public as much as possible. it's not legally binding, right? it can't force mueller. it can't force the attorney general or president trump to release more than what's required by doj policy. that's important. and it's something i want to talk about with democratic congresswoman fresh off the
house floor. she represents washington and sits on the house judiciary committee. congresswoman, thanks for being with us. >> great to be with you. >> so if this resolution is not legally binding, then i've got to ask you, what is the point? is this just about optics? is this to keep the mueller r investigation top of mind for folks? >> it's really about making sure we get republicans on the record to say that whatever comes out in the mueller report must be shared with the public. this is taxpayer paid report. and most importantly, it is about our democracy. and i think we need to make sure the american people and congress and the judiciary committee have all of the information, not only that's in the mueller report, but the underlying work that was done to come up with whatever is in the report. so very important resolution. and now we have to make sure that the senate takes it up. obviously, house republicans feel vulnerable on this. they know that the american people want transparency and that this is expected. but we do need the senate to take it up and pass it.
>> we mentioned the judiciary committee. former acting attorney general matt whitaker met with the chair of your committee yesterday. there's a disagreement or what he said in that meeting over whether or not president trump reached out to whitaker to talk about the case against or not pt trump reached out to matthew whitaker to talk about it. >> unlike in the hearing room, mr. whitaker did not deny that the president called him to discuss michael cohen case. >> no, i didn't have that at all. he said he never talked about -- with the president about mr. cohen at all. >> the doj, i'm actually -- as that sound bite was playing, getting into my e-mail, pushback from the department of justice. an official apparently in the room, according to our reporting, said we disagree with representative nadler's characterization of the conversation. mr. nadler said he couldn't discuss private can conversations with the president and didn't describe similar ones as reported.
do you have any more information for th on that for us? >> chairman nadler reiterated exactly what he said, that it was a question from mr. collins to mr. whitaker and in mr. whitaker's answer, he did not deny that he had had those conversations with the president. so this is why some of these things should be made public, so that we can all see at the same time what the information is and we don't have a he said, she said issue. but i believe my chairman. i don't think he would have misunderstood something that important. and i would have to see transcripts in order to really assess whether there's a difference here. >> roger stone is in court. he was in court this morning. we just saw him leave, taking no questions, it sounds like, from reporters. he was on the list your committee targeted for documents. have you heard back from stone, do you expect to hear back from him? >> we're not necessarily hopeful about mr. stone. he has not been the most willing
participant in these. we've launched a massive investigation in the judiciary committee. 81 requests for information, all of which have been provided to other investigations, the southern district of new york and other investigations. so these are not new documents that need to be produced. we would just like to see them so that we can begin our investigation of these three critical pieces, obstruction of justice, abuse of power and public corruption. those are things that the judiciary committee is charged with and, frankly, our republican colleagues for two years refused to allow us to bring any of this forward. so that's what we're pursuing now. we hope we don't have to go to subpoenas. these are easy documents to produce. we should have them in congress. this is our constitutional duty. >> i don't know if you've seen the latest cover of "time" magazine, "do they dare? democrats likely to impeach." do you think that's still on the
table? >> that is sch a long way away. everybody wants to go to the end. republicans didn't allow us to do anything that is our duty on the judiciary committee. that's the investigation we're starting. let us look at all the information, talk to the witnesses. let's get everything on the table for the american people. let's be very transparent about abuse of power, public corruption and obstruction of justice and lay out the case and see what's there. so, we're a long ways from reaching any conclusions about that. but we do want to lay it out. >> congressman, thank you for joining us on this show. appreciate it. >> thank you. coming up after the break, new details coming into us on that huge college admissions scandal. a new lawsuit has just been filed. kate snow is here with more details, next. ere with more details, next. it was here. i couldn't catch my breath. it was the last song of the night. it felt like my heart was skipping beats. they said i had afib.
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we have breaking news in that massive college admissions scandal. two stanford university students just filed a lawsuit against some of the universities mentioned. can you talk to us about that suit just filed and more broadly about what this says? >> absolutely, hallie. two stanford university current students at stanford, filing this civil suit against a whole number of people, rick singer, whose name you've heard in the last few days, at the center of the criminal investigation.
and his organization that was helping parents, allegedly, you know, get college entrance for their kids. they also filed it against usc, university of texas, austin, wake forest, yale and georgetown. two students, erica olson is one of them. she says in the filing when she applied to college, she graduated from a great high school, accredited high school, passed all the requirements. she had, quote, stellar standardized test scores, athletic talent, on the dance squad. she applied to yale university, one of the schools wrapped up in these allegations involving cheating. the other student, kalea woods, she applied to usc. the lawsuit also says that she had a lot of ability. she had athletic skills. both of these students were denied entry from those schools and are saying essentially the schools, now that they're implicated in this cheating
scandal, didn't have a fair process. they say the admission process was unfair, rigged. parents could buy their way into these universities through bribery and dishonest schemes. so, hallie, this may be the tip of the iceberg. >> yeah. >> we may see other students filing similar suits saying it was unfair to me because i didn't get in because the cheating was happening. >> i know you will be watching, and our colleagues there at nbc news. kate snow thank you for joining us for that. boy, it's been an hour that i've never been happier to turn it over to craig melvin in new york. craig, i've just been told that my colleagues at the white house have walked into the pool spray with president trump. so get ready for new news. >> that's right, with the prime minister of ireland. thank you, hallie jackson. another busy news day with several breaking stories right now, campaigning already after months of speculation, former texas congressman beto o'rourke
officially jumping into the 2020 race. we're with him on trail in iowa. republican revolt. gop senate set for a showdown with president trump over his emergency declaration today, president trump insisting he's ready either way. and reckless roger? former trump political adviser roger stone left court after another hearing on his gag order violation. what a judge decided about his upcoming trial. we'll get to that in a moment. we start with breaking news. the big test for beto o'rourke. can he live up to the hype? spanish speaker who came within of upsetting ted cruz in texas officially is in for the 2020 race. he has a busy three days planned across iowa which, of course, holds the nation's first presidential contest. beto brings some big advantages. he's charismatic,